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« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2020, 15:12 »
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A condition of having to work very hard...

You don't have to though, that's the difference. As a result, it's highly insulting to compare SS to slavery for anyone who is, was, or has an ancestor who was enslaved. But sure, if you ever meet somebody who used to be an actual slave, and they're recounting their situation to you... feel free to say "Yeah, I hear that.. I used to submit to Shutterstock back in the day. I know how you feel."

I'm sure that'll go down really well.


« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2020, 15:25 »
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Slave is a very valid word that can be used for a modern day experience. Don't get confused with 'being enslaved'.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2020, 15:37 by CHDigitalMedia »

« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2020, 15:27 »
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Just noticed the SSTK paid out $1B to creators in the screen capture

Nice semantic trick he's pulling now they managed to rebrand themselves from being agents (which in any meaningful way is what they have always been).

I think he means artists have paid out many billions of dollars to Shutterstock for marketing their work for them and $1B to him personally. What an ingrate. Wish I had a twitter account to reply!

+ 1000!!!

« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2020, 16:36 »
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Someone at Stock Submitter Coalition captured the tweet below before it was deleted. It's a chilling reminder of what we are. We are the slaves, and we should keep working no matter what the pay is. I'm no Communist, but this is the very reason why Karl Marx published Das Kapital back in 1867. We are back in the same situation as industrial workers of the 19th Century together with Uber drivers and other participants of the growing gig economy.

Please stop comparing contributors to slaves. We are free, slaves are not. And they do not get any pay at all.
Slaves are given food and place to sleep, so they are paid. Slaves can go from point a (place to sleep) to point b (place to work), so they are free. We just have an illusion of freedom.

tell that to any REAL slave!!!!  while, in the ancient world, slavery was different (eg, in Rome, slaves could earn money and eventually buy their freedom) - 'modern' colonial/capitalist slavery is a crime against humanity and here in the US we're still dealing with the evils of slavery over 150 yrs after the 13th amendment abolished slavery

« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2020, 16:36 »
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dupe post
« Last Edit: June 24, 2020, 16:41 by cascoly »

« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2020, 16:40 »
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A definition of slavery, as I see it is a term that fits this situation very well, whether you agree with it or not

A condition of having to work very hard without proper remuneration or appreciation

of course that's the THIRD definition! and it's then a metaphor, not a reality  - many people talk about being wage-slaves but none of them would actually think they ARE slaves

« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2020, 20:12 »
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For what it's worth, anyone using "slavery" language in connection with #BoycottShutterstock is hurting our overall cause

I don't care about irrelevant arguments about dictionary definitions and neither will all the people who dismiss everything you say because you're using that language where it doesn't belong.

I do care about getting our point across to buyers and other agencies, and that won't happen if you keep distracting from our message by using language that makes people walk away

Please just stop using it in connection with #BoycottShutterstock

« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2020, 21:31 »
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Someone at Stock Submitter Coalition captured the tweet below before it was deleted. It's a chilling reminder of what we are. We are the slaves, and we should keep working no matter what the pay is. I'm no Communist, but this is the very reason why Karl Marx published Das Kapital back in 1867. We are back in the same situation as industrial workers of the 19th Century together with Uber drivers and other participants of the growing gig economy.

Please stop comparing contributors to slaves. We are free, slaves are not. And they do not get any pay at all.
Slaves are given food and place to sleep, so they are paid. Slaves can go from point a (place to sleep) to point b (place to work), so they are free. We just have an illusion of freedom.

tell that to any REAL slave!!!!  while, in the ancient world, slavery was different (eg, in Rome, slaves could earn money and eventually buy their freedom) - 'modern' colonial/capitalist slavery is a crime against humanity and here in the US we're still dealing with the evils of slavery over 150 yrs after the 13th amendment abolished slavery

Same thing just the boss has a bigger land today so some get false sense of freedom.

If you kid was sick at that time you might been lucky and the lord would pay a doctor at list for his future profit, or at least say NO in your face. Today you get an automated reply from a robot.

Same thing going on just a bit more sophisticated.

« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2020, 21:37 »
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« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2020, 01:33 »
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« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2020, 04:10 »
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As I said in another thread: what a pompous ass for tweeting something like that. Compare this guy to someone like Bill Gates for example, Gates would never attack anyone like that on Twitter. Oringer sounds more like an agitated Trump, with his stuck-up, billionnaire attitude.

On Glassdoor one of Oringer's employees described him as a "man/child" which pretty well sums it up.

A petulant over entitled man/child who throws his teddies out of the cot when he doesn't get what he wants  ;D

Or a Tosser as Jo Ann described him :D
« Last Edit: June 26, 2020, 16:21 by Bad Robot »

« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2020, 04:32 »
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For what it's worth, anyone using "slavery" language in connection with #BoycottShutterstock is hurting our overall cause
...

This. We have to think strategically, it isn't helping win over customers, garner sympathy and therefore increase pressure on Shutterstock, so how true it is not really relevant to whether we should be using it on social media.

Even more so with with BLM comparisons.

There are tons of other effective ways to message this without resorting to Shutterstock's own tactics of appropriation. Some examples:

1. Pushing back on SS's hypocrisy in forming "socially responsible" partnerships with charity organisations while mistreating their workers and employees (i.e. acting in the least socially responsible way possible where they actually have power). Contact their partners whenever SS posts and let them know this isn't helping their image.

2. Stories of real world impact of these changes on the lives of the most vulnerable people (that single mothers working from home for example).

3. Posting about deactivations and why you are doing it

4. Contextualising Shutterstock's actions in a broader narrative of corporations trying to cynically appropriate good causes while acting mercilessly in their own sphere in the middle of a pandemic.

5. Pushing back on the narrative that SS has paid out lots of money to contributors, contributors have actually paid their agent a massive percentage to market their work.

and lots of others

« Last Edit: June 25, 2020, 06:58 by Justanotherphotographer »

« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2020, 07:13 »
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You can tell Oringer is really losing it by his manner of replying

His true colors are coming through

But its like he cant help himself, which tells me one thing - KEEP UP THE PRESSURE!!

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« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2020, 08:07 »
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Right they paid out $1B to contributors. Not a word about the fact that they also made billions of dollars from contributors. Or the fact that Jon became a billionaire from contributors.

And that's the whole problem. They don't see this as mutual partnership. They see themselves as the ruler who provides all of the value and us as the peasant workers who are expendable and worthless.

Without them we wouldn't have the opportunity to earn money from them. We would however have the opportunity to earn money from our media from other places. But if they didn't have our media, there would be no Shutterstock and probably no billionaire Jon.
« Last Edit: June 25, 2020, 08:48 by PaulieWalnuts »

« Reply #39 on: June 25, 2020, 09:15 »
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Right they paid out $1B to contributors. Not a word about the fact that they also made billions of dollars from contributors. Or the fact that Jon became a billionaire from contributors.

From yesterday on twitter

https://twitter.com/joannsnover/status/1275903045214146560

« Reply #40 on: June 25, 2020, 12:15 »
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The King of Nerds is underexposed, overexposed, or is inconsistently exposed.

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« Reply #41 on: June 25, 2020, 20:48 »
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Right they paid out $1B to contributors. Not a word about the fact that they also made billions of dollars from contributors. Or the fact that Jon became a billionaire from contributors.

From yesterday on twitter

https://twitter.com/joannsnover/status/1275903045214146560

Good specific financials showing exactly what we bring to them.


 

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