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« Reply #50 on: January 17, 2021, 10:46 »
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So you understand that they're not your agent, as stated in the Shutterstock legal terms, but you're also stating that they are in fact your agent? 25 years or not... it would appear you're slightly confused.

No it appears you are slightly confused! no offence!  25 years in the stock-industry yes but NOT with SS (2005)....anyhow when there is a contract between supplier and distributor that contract the contract is an Agency-contract and is exactly the same as if they was your Agent. BAPLA the British association pf photographic libraries would certainly view it as such.


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« Reply #51 on: January 17, 2021, 13:04 »
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...anyhow when there is a contract between supplier and distributor that contract the contract is an Agency-contract and is exactly the same as if they was your Agent.

Sorry, but that's just not true. While there may be some similarities, these stock sites are not our agents... and while you can draw comparisons or make similarities or make assumptions about what BAPLA would or wouldn't view it as all you like... it says quite clearly in the legal agreement that they're not our agents. 

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« Reply #52 on: January 17, 2021, 13:44 »
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...anyhow when there is a contract between supplier and distributor that contract the contract is an Agency-contract and is exactly the same as if they was your Agent.

Sorry, but that's just not true. While there may be some similarities, these stock sites are not our agents... and while you can draw comparisons or make similarities or make assumptions about what BAPLA would or wouldn't view it as all you like... it says quite clearly in the legal agreement that they're not our agents.

It certainly does say it and it also says many other things, but just because it says it doesn't mean to say that the contract is written right, it also says:-  We are independent contractors - A contractor by definition, is someone asked to do something by someone else. You are contracted to undertake work, you cannot sign up to be 'contracted', as this implies, it simply doesn't make sense; SS don't specifically ask people to undertake work.

The reality is SS is run like the Mafia, I wonder if Trump has any shares in it.

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« Reply #53 on: January 17, 2021, 14:26 »
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...anyhow when there is a contract between supplier and distributor that contract the contract is an Agency-contract and is exactly the same as if they was your Agent.

Sorry, but that's just not true. While there may be some similarities, these stock sites are not our agents... and while you can draw comparisons or make similarities or make assumptions about what BAPLA would or wouldn't view it as all you like... it says quite clearly in the legal agreement that they're not our agents.

It certainly does say it and it also says many other things, but just because it says it doesn't mean to say that the contract is written right, it also says:-  We are independent contractors - A contractor by definition, is someone asked to do something by someone else. You are contracted to undertake work, you cannot sign up to be 'contracted', as this implies, it simply doesn't make sense; SS don't specifically ask people to undertake work.

The reality is SS is run like the Mafia, I wonder if Trump has any shares in it.

Damned right! and a noob Mafia at that they can't even cover their own silly mistakes or decisions just blatently slap us in the face every time relying on the fact they can replace contributors in 5 minutes time with another bunch of starry-eyed people!

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« Reply #54 on: January 18, 2021, 11:33 »
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...anyhow when there is a contract between supplier and distributor that contract the contract is an Agency-contract and is exactly the same as if they was your Agent.

Sorry, but that's just not true. While there may be some similarities, these stock sites are not our agents... and while you can draw comparisons or make similarities or make assumptions about what BAPLA would or wouldn't view it as all you like... it says quite clearly in the legal agreement that they're not our agents.

This is just getting stupid. People arguing with you that "in their opinion it's..." or that according to someone else, any contract makes them an agent.

Let me post the direct quote from the TOS:

The relationship of the parties is that of independent contractors. There is no relationship of partnership, joint venture, employment, franchise or agency created hereby between the parties.

independent contractors, plain and simple, there's nothing to argue.

Independent contractors are self-employed people who work for other people or businesses as nonemployees.


The reality is SS is run like the Mafia, I wonder if Trump has any shares in it.


You are showing your desperation to argue using irrelevant, emotionally laced comparisons. How sweet is that cool-ade?


« Reply #55 on: January 18, 2021, 23:01 »
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My worst start to the year since 2016.
Not only on SS but on all sites.
We'll see.....

Same here, not since 2016 as I haven't been on that long but certainly since December 2019 when I had almost half the port I do today. 

« Reply #56 on: January 21, 2021, 08:54 »
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Just looking at SS, pro rata previous years for fairness im looking like being about 50% down on an average January. Even though actual number of sales might be about the same as usual, i know there are 10 days to go yet, just saying.

« Reply #57 on: January 21, 2021, 10:27 »
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So far my january on SS is 64% lower than it would have been with the old earning structure  :'(

« Reply #58 on: January 21, 2021, 13:41 »
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So far my january on SS is 64% lower than it would have been with the old earning structure  :'(

And the same here. Just about all sales (74) with a $0.10 commission. Gee, thanks SS.

Meanwhile Dreamstime is not only outselling the SS but sales are consistently coming in at +$1.00us and higher! More reason to abandon the SS and happy I stopped uploading to Jonnie and his cronies last March.

« Reply #59 on: January 21, 2021, 13:58 »
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Is it not a bit early for comparing last January when we are still in January? Im simliar with Dreamtime though, quite a few $4 sales and $1 dollars.....quite unlike them! Non-exclusive iStock still brings me in more money than any of the other top agencies.

« Reply #60 on: January 21, 2021, 16:49 »
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Is it not a bit early for comparing last January when we are still in January? Im simliar with Dreamtime though, quite a few $4 sales and $1 dollars.....quite unlike them! Non-exclusive iStock still brings me in more money than any of the other top agencies.

Not really.  Its 3 weeks in and for lots of people many hundreds of sales so perfectly fair to get a feel for average RPD/number of downloads and so on.

« Reply #61 on: January 21, 2021, 19:53 »
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I'm 100% down from last January on SS. Last October was the only month DT seemed to do well for me in a while - and that was still pretty sad.

« Reply #62 on: January 21, 2021, 22:03 »
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ROFL -- comparing Jan 2020 to 2021 as if all things were equal  - US has 400K dead, and a cratering economy from a global  pandemic - might that have anything to do with year to year sales

12+ million unemployed - more than double  2019

« Reply #63 on: January 22, 2021, 07:38 »
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I averaged mine over much more that 'last year', and it's not fact until the end of month obviously, hence an indication.
Lucky old me though (sarcasm), level 3 already. I wonder how many are on level 6 already. Still looking at 50% down if im lucky. Under no illusions, the more its not worth it (anywhere), the less effort i make, the more i do something else elsewhere.

« Reply #64 on: January 22, 2021, 07:45 »
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ROFL -- comparing Jan 2020 to 2021 as if all things were equal  - US has 400K dead, and a cratering economy from a global  pandemic - might that have anything to do with year to year sales

12+ million unemployed - more than double  2019

Not really when number of downloads remains consistent to last year.

Perfectly possible to compare to last year as a whole, or since June or whatever.

For most of us, sales volumes remain pretty much the same.  Its the commission cut doing it.

« Reply #65 on: January 22, 2021, 07:51 »
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ROFL -- comparing Jan 2020 to 2021 as if all things were equal  - US has 400K dead, and a cratering economy from a global  pandemic - might that have anything to do with year to year sales

12+ million unemployed - more than double  2019

Not really when number of downloads remains consistent to last year.

Perfectly possible to compare to last year as a whole, or since June or whatever.

For most of us, sales volumes remain pretty much the same.  Its the commission cut doing it.
Well said, reasonable point but i've no doubt it must have some affect. Big jobs being cancelled so maybe larger commissions are less, certainly ive had many more smaller sale and less bigger ones, regardless of commission percentage.

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« Reply #66 on: January 22, 2021, 09:07 »
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ROFL -- comparing Jan 2020 to 2021 as if all things were equal  - US has 400K dead, and a cratering economy from a global  pandemic - might that have anything to do with year to year sales

12+ million unemployed - more than double  2019

Not really when number of downloads remains consistent to last year.

Perfectly possible to compare to last year as a whole, or since June or whatever.

For most of us, sales volumes remain pretty much the same.  Its the commission cut doing it.
Well said, reasonable point but i've no doubt it must have some affect. Big jobs being cancelled so maybe larger commissions are less, certainly ive had many more smaller sale and less bigger ones, regardless of commission percentage.

I'll wait until the end of the month so I can see how all the agencies did on a level monthly basis. But so far the trend on SS follows what you wrote. In my case less downloads overall and more of those are 10, less ODs and Singles.

Moving into different ideas, subjects and concentrating on what sells on Adobe.


csm

« Reply #67 on: January 22, 2021, 09:22 »
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They are in fact our appointed agent! they use our assets in order to make money!  when SS declares they have 200 million assets ( images), they don't really since these 200 million assets are our assets our pictures.
Had SS been an old style stock-agency our pics would have been in the form of trannies something you could physically touch and therefore a signed agency-contract and everything. Its not though its all digital and can be wiped out in seconds!..SS is playing on this one all the way and treat us like complete noobs!



I think that is part of the problem.
Digital images dont exist physically, so I sometimes think maybe that's why agents can sell them so cheaply.
Getting a few cents for an image is just a joke.
If it was a solid object maybe there would seem to be more value in them.


 

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