Author Topic: Why is Shutterstock still selling in Russia (Read 6346 times)

H2O · « **on:** March 03, 2022, 17:18 »

I'm still getting downloads in Russia, this needs to be stopped.

I had two in Moscow today, they are breaking the sanctions on Putins Russia, this must stop.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #1 on:** March 04, 2022, 01:29 »

Which specific sanctions are they breaking?

Mimi the Cat · « **Reply #2 on:** March 04, 2022, 02:23 »

Quote from: H2O on March 03, 2022, 17:18

I'm still getting downloads in Russia, this needs to be stopped.

I had two in Moscow today, they are breaking the sanctions on Putins Russia, this must stop.

Also emailed Alamy about them still selling ITAR-TASS supplied images and got this reply

"There are high level discussions going on within Alamy about what we can do. We are constantly reviewing our approach in line with sanctions operating against Russia and will continue to monitor this. "

Money talks

Mimi the Cat · « **Reply #3 on:** March 04, 2022, 02:25 »

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on March 04, 2022, 01:29

Which specific sanctions are they breaking?

Obviously none of the current sanctions.

How about doing the right thing?

Roscoe · « **Reply #4 on:** March 04, 2022, 02:28 »

Quote from: Mimi the Cat on March 04, 2022, 02:25

Obviously none of the current sanctions.

How about doing the right thing?

Not strong on politics or economics here, but I think we all overestimate the impact of the sanctions.
I get regular downloads from Russia too, subscriptions, which are probably already paid for before the sanctions and SWIFT ban came into action.

When money talks, the right thing has to shut up. Unfortunately.

ouatedeP · « **Reply #5 on:** March 04, 2022, 07:43 »

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on March 04, 2022, 01:29

Which specific sanctions are they breaking?

all these 10 cents licences are bought by Oligarchs, how do you think they became billionaires

Zero Talent · « **Reply #6 on:** March 04, 2022, 08:15 »

Same here.
I don't need this.

Noedelhap · « **Reply #7 on:** March 04, 2022, 08:19 »

Quote from: H2O on March 03, 2022, 17:18

I'm still getting downloads in Russia, this needs to be stopped.

I had two in Moscow today, they are breaking the sanctions on Putins Russia, this must stop.

Putin doesn't care. These sanctions are ineffective and only civilians and small/medium businesses are affected. It's a ridiculous instrument if the goal is to let the people stand up to the regime. Any protest against the regime is forcefully stopped by police and protesters are risking their own and their families lives for it. Yet the sanctions are not lifted the next day, and somehow western governments feel the need to keep punishing them?

everest · « **Reply #8 on:** March 04, 2022, 09:17 »

I think it is already affecting them. Putin remembers me of those children that play with a flame under their hands. Everyone puts a poker face and says it does not hut but eventually it does and they have to retire the hand. All people will be impacted by this suffocating strategy. I would accelerate it even more. economy rules the world. Yes you can be the new North Korea.

Let's see what the elite (military politician and financial) think about the stand of Putin in a week, in a month in 3 months. Constant and increasing pressure and Putin will back down. He will not nuke none because he is perfectly aware that's the end game and for Russia too.

If A UN resolution would authorize an aerial exclusion zone, we would have Putin out of Ukrania quite fast. NATO I don't know. It's more a risky game. But the economical pressures are correct.

Quote from: Noedelhap on March 04, 2022, 08:19

Quote from: H2O on March 03, 2022, 17:18
I'm still getting downloads in Russia, this needs to be stopped.

I had two in Moscow today, they are breaking the sanctions on Putins Russia, this must stop.

Putin doesn't care. These sanctions are ineffective and only civilians and small/medium businesses are affected. It's a ridiculous instrument if the goal is to let the people stand up to the regime. Any protest against the regime is forcefully stopped by police and protesters are risking their own and their families lives for it. Yet the sanctions are not lifted the next day, and somehow western governments feel the need to keep punishing them?

cascoly · « **Reply #9 on:** March 04, 2022, 15:38 »

Quote from: everest on March 04, 2022, 09:17

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If A UN resolution would authorize an aerial exclusion zone, we would have Putin out of Ukrania quite fast. NATO I don't know. It's more a risky game. ...

1st a UN resolution would be vetoed by Russia, but even a US or NATO resolution would either be toothless or result in actual conflict and a vastly expanded war.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/05/lets-be-clear-establishing-a-no-fly-zone-is-an-act-of-war/276319/

everest · « **Reply #10 on:** March 05, 2022, 03:20 »

War maybe, over Ucrania. We have that already but with a giant bulling a small child. Nuclear war I doubt it, for many reasons but Putin and his militar staff will not push a botton that means a shoot in their own heads. The same way if Putin finally attacks a NATO member NATO will also not push the nuclear button. Nobody wants self destruction.

Quote from: cascoly on March 04, 2022, 15:38

Quote from: everest on March 04, 2022, 09:17
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If A UN resolution would authorize an aerial exclusion zone, we would have Putin out of Ukrania quite fast. NATO I don't know. It's more a risky game. ...

1st a UN resolution would be vetoed by Russia, but even a US or NATO resolution would either be toothless or result in actual conflict and a vastly expanded war.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/05/lets-be-clear-establishing-a-no-fly-zone-is-an-act-of-war/276319/

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #11 on:** March 05, 2022, 04:53 »

Quote from: Noedelhap on March 04, 2022, 08:19

Quote from: H2O on March 03, 2022, 17:18
I'm still getting downloads in Russia, this needs to be stopped.

I had two in Moscow today, they are breaking the sanctions on Putins Russia, this must stop.

Putin doesn't care. These sanctions are ineffective and only civilians and small/medium businesses are affected. It's a ridiculous instrument if the goal is to let the people stand up to the regime. Any protest against the regime is forcefully stopped by police and protesters are risking their own and their families lives for it. Yet the sanctions are not lifted the next day, and somehow western governments feel the need to keep punishing them?

I think it is to get the oligarchs and generals to apply pressure on Putin to end the war, not the ordinary people who are caught in the cross fire. Some estimates have 80% of the country’s wealth stashed off shore by these people. They mostly live their lives jet setting around the world enjoying places not completely devastated by wealth extraction. If sanctions are actually applied properly it could make a difference. But given the track record of some countries (looking at you United Kingdom) I doubt they will be.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #12 on:** March 05, 2022, 11:08 »

Quote from: Mimi the Cat on March 04, 2022, 02:25

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on March 04, 2022, 01:29
Which specific sanctions are they breaking?

Obviously none of the current sanctions.

How about doing the right thing?

Well sure, but doing the right thing or not, is slightly different than breaking sanctions that don't currently exist.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #13 on:** March 05, 2022, 13:36 »

Russian contributors using paypal have a problem.

https://www.reuters.com/business/paypal-shuts-down-its-services-russia-citing-ukraine-aggression-2022-03-05/

Maybe some buyers too

Firn · « **Reply #14 on:** March 05, 2022, 13:41 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 05, 2022, 13:36

Russian contributors using paypal have a problem.

https://www.reuters.com/business/paypal-shuts-down-its-services-russia-citing-ukraine-aggression-2022-03-05/

Not just contributosr, buyers as well.

But they can still use Skrill, at least for now.

Payoneer and Adobe apparently suspended bussiness with Russia as well.

Lizard · « **Reply #15 on:** March 05, 2022, 13:56 »

The bigger question would be how come Ukraine is still allowing and insisting that Russian gas travels trough their country on its way to Europe ?

I would cut that off the first day if it was up to me.

Firn · « **Reply #16 on:** March 05, 2022, 14:10 »

Quote from: Lizard on March 05, 2022, 13:56

The bigger question would be how come Ukraine is still allowing and insisting that Russian gas travels trough their country on its way to Europe ?

I would cut that off the first day if it was up to me.

Then you'd probably lessen your chance of getting any support - may it be in the form of weapon deliveries, money or taking in refugees - from some European countries as, very unfortunately, they depend on gas from Russia. I can tell you, here in Germany the talk about fear of what will happen if we were to be cut off rom the gas supply is as presnet in the media as the talk about the war itself. It's also the reason why at first Germany opposed to thea idea of cutting Russia off from the SWIFT system - they feared that without it they could not pay and therefore get the gass and they only agreed to it when it was made sure that there were still possibilities to make the payments.

(If you ask me, the gas supply from Russia should have been cut off many many years ago and alternatives should have been established way before that. The gas supply was one of the main reasons why so many countries kept tiptoeing around Putin for many years. But it didn't happen, so now we are in this mess.)

Lizard · « **Reply #17 on:** March 05, 2022, 14:25 »

Quote from: Firn on March 05, 2022, 14:10

Quote from: Lizard on March 05, 2022, 13:56
The bigger question would be how come Ukraine is still allowing and insisting that Russian gas travels trough their country on its way to Europe ?

I would cut that off the first day if it was up to me.

Then you'd probably lessen your chance of getting any support - may it be in the form of weapon deliveries, money or taking in refugees - from some European countries as, very unfortunately, they depend on gas from Russia. I can tell you, here in Germany the talk about fear of what will happen if we were to be cut off rom the gas supply is as presnet in the media as the talk about the war itself.

(If you ask me, the gas supply from Russia should have been cut off many many years ago and alternatives should have been established way before that. The gas supply was one of the main reasons why so many countries kept tiptoeing around Putin for many years. But it didn't happen, so now we are in this mess.)

Exactly, so that's how the west really supports Ukraine. As long as it doesn't hit them. Changing the light colors on the museums and waving flags. And praising their bravery while they are about to be cut off and completely surrounded bit by bit.

And how are they paying for that gas if Russia is financially cut off ? A why would Russia provide the gas if they are not being payed ?

Nothing is as it seems and Ukrainian diplomacy played this game naive and in favor of everyone but its own people. No wonder they were getting that applause at EU parlament.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #18 on:** March 05, 2022, 14:30 »

Quote from: Firn on March 05, 2022, 13:41

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 05, 2022, 13:36
Russian contributors using paypal have a problem.

https://www.reuters.com/business/paypal-shuts-down-its-services-russia-citing-ukraine-aggression-2022-03-05/
Not just contributosr, buyers as well.

But they can still use Skrill, at least for now.

Payoneer and Adobe apparently suspended bussiness with Russia as well.

Yes, especially since Visa and Mastercard transactions with Russia were blocked 4 days ago.
This explains the recent message from Shutterstock.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #19 on:** March 05, 2022, 14:39 »

Quote from: Lizard on March 05, 2022, 14:25

Exactly, so that's how the west really supports Ukraine. As long as it doesn't hit them. Changing the light colors on the museums and waving flags. And praising their bravery while they are about to be cut off and completely surrounded bit by bit.

Now, this is something we both can agree with (to a certain extent)

It's a bit more than just your colorful lights, but as I keep on repeating, not enough. The public opinion must convince these weak politicians to do what's right.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #20 on:** March 05, 2022, 14:58 »

Quote from: Firn on March 05, 2022, 13:41

But they can still use Skrill, at least for now.

Are you sure? I can see Skrill on the list of companies who stopped doing business with Russia:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_that_applied_sanctions_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

Firn · « **Reply #21 on:** March 05, 2022, 15:04 »

Quote from: Lizard on March 05, 2022, 14:25

And how are they paying for that gas if Russia is financially cut off ? A why would Russia provide the gas if they are not being payed ?

As already said above, Germany only agreed to to cut off of Russia from SWIFT if they could still pay for the gas.
So Russia is not really cut off, Russia privides the gas, because they are still being paid.

The SWIFT sanctions do not affect all, but only specifically Russian banks, which have been subject to other sanctions since the Russian annexation of Crimea in 2014. Effects on the processing of energy transactions have been avoided.

There are a lot of articles about this in the German press explaining this, though I couldn't really find any in English.

MrVector · « **Reply #22 on:** March 09, 2022, 23:14 »

Ukraine has no allies in the West. All these ridiculous demonstrative support is just for the sake of PR. All collected charitable money will be stolen and all weapons sent will be lost. Such a country...

Russia will continue to function. The people will live freed from the western husk. McDonald's and KFC are gone. Will they worry about it when there is borscht and fried potatoes?

Most likely, after a few years of recession, we will get a strong country with a developed economy. Don't forget, there are very talented people in Russia, and if they are squeezed into a corner, they are capable of miracles.

Mimi the Cat · « **Reply #23 on:** March 10, 2022, 01:36 »

Quote from: MrVector on March 09, 2022, 23:14

Ukraine has no allies in the West. All these ridiculous demonstrative support is just for the sake of PR. All collected charitable money will be stolen and all weapons sent will be lost. Such a country...

Russia will continue to function. The people will live freed from the western husk. McDonald's and KFC are gone. Will they worry about it when there is borscht and fried potatoes?

Most likely, after a few years of recession, we will get a strong country with a developed economy. Don't forget, there are very talented people in Russia, and if they are squeezed into a corner, they are capable of miracles.

Oh look another Putin Kool Aid drinker ~ dream on buddy

Ukko · « **Reply #24 on:** March 10, 2022, 01:57 »

Quote from: MrVector on March 09, 2022, 23:14

Ukraine has no allies in the West. All these ridiculous demonstrative support is just for the sake of PR. All collected charitable money will be stolen and all weapons sent will be lost. Such a country...

Russia will continue to function. The people will live freed from the western husk. McDonald's and KFC are gone. Will they worry about it when there is borscht and fried potatoes?

Most likely, after a few years of recession, we will get a strong country with a developed economy. Don't forget, there are very talented people in Russia, and if they are squeezed into a corner, they are capable of miracles.

Ukraine has its gates wide open to the West - unlike Russia, which has lost its reputation, all diplomatic and trade relations. All that remains for Russia as a credible trading partner is China, which completely sets the prices for Russian exports (i.e. pays a below-cost price for them).

There are still two trains a day from St Petersburg to Helsinki, full of young, educated people who have realised the impossibility of life in today's Russia. These highly educated young people no longer have any faith in the Putin regime. That is why they are leaving the country in search of better living opportunities anywhere else but Russia.

The effects of the embargo on Russia will be felt in a harsh way when new products no longer enter the market. In the West, when a product breaks down, a new one is bought to replace it. Russia will become the new Cuba - old equipment will be serviced over and over again even though its life cycle is long over.

Russian media propaganda is clearly working on some of the people, as MrVector sees a bright future for his country. Apparently, a complete brainwashed cannot see anything but the lies produced by his own state. Fortunately, not all Russians live under this delusion, so there is still a little hope.

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Author Topic: Why is Shutterstock still selling in Russia (Read 6346 times)

H2O

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cascoly

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Justanotherphotographer

SpaceStockFootage

Zero Talent

Firn

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Zero Talent

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