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« on: December 14, 2009, 12:34 »
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Received the following today from StockXpert regarding the future of JIUnlimited and Getty's announced subscription site ...


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Hello mwp1969,

We have news for all StockXpert contributors regarding the future of JIUnlimited.

A new Getty Images subscription site will launch early 2010 and will take the place of the current JIUnlimited.

We have updated the StockXpert end user license agreement summary table to include the new Getty Images subscription site. You can see the new table here http://www.stockxpert.com/lpages/contrib ...

The royalty for subscription sales at the new site will be $0.25 per download and a 20% royalty on all single image sales.

We will be migrating certain StockXpert content over to this new site. Depending on your preference settings and if you contribute to iStockphoto, you will fall into one of three groups:

Group one Opted-in to Subscriptions and EL's on StockXpert
If, as of November 5, 2009, you have opted-in for both Subscriptions and Extended Licenses, and you do not have content on iStockphoto, your StockXpert content on JIUnlimited will be migrated automatically to the new site. You will receive an email in early January with the file numbers of each image migrated.

Group two Opted-out of Subscriptions and/or EL's on StockXpert
If, as of November 5, 2009, you were not opted-in for Subscriptions and/or Extended Licenses, and you have no content on iStockphoto, your StockXpert content will not be added to this new site. If you would like to have your content available, enable both Subscriptions and Extended Licenses in your profile. We will be doing another migration of StockXpert content in Spring 2010 and will add your content then.

Group three Joint StockXpert and iStock Contributor
If you are currently an iStockphoto contributor and have files already opted-in to the iStock Partner Program, iStock files will appear on the new Getty Images subscription site when it launches in early 2010. If you had non-duplicated files opted into subscriptions on StockXpert, please feel free to upload them to your existing portfolio on iStockphoto to continue their subscription sales.

All Groups
In order to determine duplication between StockXpert and iStockphoto, we compared email addresses. If you used different email address for your accounts, we may have missed you in our matching. If you used different email addresses for each account, please follow this link and login at iStock so we can match up your accounts http://www.istockphoto.com/stockxpert?SX ...

We encourage everyone who hasn't done so to become a contributor at iStockphoto. As an iStock contributor you can continue to sell at Photos.com, as well as the new Getty Images subscription site when it launches, through their Partner Program. Join iStockphoto here http://www.istockphoto.com/stockxpert?SX ...

If you aren't interested in having your non-duplicated StockXpert images at this new site, you can always go to your profile http://www.stockxpert.com/user/edit_prof .. (point #7) and opt out. Please opt out before December 31, 2009 if you don't want us to move any of your images to the new site.

We'd like to thank you again for your continued patience and support. We will stay in touch with more news as we're able.

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-Mark
http://markwpayne.wordpress.com



« Last Edit: December 14, 2009, 12:45 by mwp1969 »


KB

« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2009, 12:37 »
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Time to opt-out.  >:(

lisafx

« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2009, 12:39 »
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Thanks for posting this Mark.  Very bad news indeed.

« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2009, 12:43 »
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Boy, all that stuff is confusing.  Upload this here, or there, or what...

lisafx

« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2009, 12:46 »
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Boy, all that stuff is confusing.  Upload this here, or there, or what...

Yeah, very confusing.  For one thing they don't mention a category of people who are opted in to the StockXpert partner program but opted out of partner subs on istock. 


WarrenPrice

« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2009, 12:48 »
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Thanks for posting this Mark.  Very bad news indeed.

I am really confused.  I just changed my options a few days ago, electing the subscriptions sales.  I wondered why I was not seeing an increase in sub sales?  I think I'm understanding that my images (not opted in on November 9) will not be transferred until Spring of 2010?  

I do not have an account with iStock.  The biggest change I see is the lowering of subs to 25 cents, vice 30 cents.  Is that the very bad news you are talking about, Lisa?

This old brain isn't grasping this very quickly.  Can someone help me understand?  Should I be baling out of StockXpert, Completely?


« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2009, 12:48 »
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The short version: Get less for every sale than you got before.  Oh, and if you're on iStock, be sure to upload everything you don't already have there.  Except of course you can't, since you're so severely limited on uploads.  (My port on iStock is about a third the size of StockXpert.  And the subset of images I've opted in for partner sales is far smaller and will stay that way.)

« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2009, 12:50 »
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One thing seems very simple. They wanted to reduce the commission from 30 cents to 25 and this is how they're going to do it.

sc

« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2009, 12:50 »
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Boy, all that stuff is confusing.  Upload this here, or there, or what...

Yeah, very confusing.  For one thing they don't mention a category of people who are opted in to the StockXpert partner program but opted out of partner subs on istock. 




I was wondering about that too

ap

« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2009, 12:52 »
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Boy, all that stuff is confusing.  Upload this here, or there, or what...

Yeah, very confusing.  For one thing they don't mention a category of people who are opted in to the StockXpert partner program but opted out of partner subs on istock. 



in addition, i do have different emails for both of them, by accident. do i inform is, do i stay quiet? it's like 12 dimensional chess.

« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2009, 12:52 »
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Very bad news indeed.

I don't think it is to be honest. JIU & PC are both bottom-of-the-barrel sites and simply undermine the greater micro market IMHO.

I don't like the way StockXpert/Jupiter handled the original placing of our images there, I don't like the way IS handled the 'partnership programme' either, I don't like the low commissions, I don't like the late/lost reporting of sales, I don't like that our images are not even credited to us, having supported the site in the past I like even less that they are now lowering the commissions even further.

In short I really don't like anything about JIU/PC at all. Good riddence to them.

lisafx

« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2009, 12:53 »
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The biggest change I see is the lowering of subs to 25 cents, vice 30 cents.  Is that the very bad news you are talking about, Lisa?

This old brain isn't grasping this very quickly.  Can someone help me understand?  Should I be baling out of StockXpert, Completely?



Yes, the lowering of the commission by .05 is what I consider very bad news.  

They tried to do the same to StockXpert members who had images on Photos.com and most of us independents resisted.  Now they are trying to do the same with JIU.  Looks like the ultimate plan is to just wear us down.

And yeah, it is tempting to just throw in the towel on this one.  But how can we expect to continue getting up to .38 at SS, .34 on FT and even higher (tiered) sub sales on DT if we roll over for .25 on JIU or Photos.com?

« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2009, 12:56 »
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"If you had non-duplicated files opted into subscriptions on StockXpert, please feel free to upload them to your existing portfolio on iStockphoto to continue their subscription sales."


In my case I have more images online at StockXpert than at IS. It sounds like those images that are unique to StockXpert that are not cuurently approved at IS must be uploaded to IS in order to be considered for sale ... Will they continue to sell on StockXpert if I don't do this?

On another note: Will this new Getty subscription site become a true competitor to Shutterstock's subscription business model ? I can only imagine this is would just be damaging and have a direct impatct to the contributor commission structure across multiple agencies in the long run ...

-Mark
http://markwpayne.wordpress.com
 
« Last Edit: December 14, 2009, 13:02 by mwp1969 »

nruboc

« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2009, 12:58 »
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The biggest change I see is the lowering of subs to 25 cents, vice 30 cents.  Is that the very bad news you are talking about, Lisa?

This old brain isn't grasping this very quickly.  Can someone help me understand?  Should I be baling out of StockXpert, Completely?



Yes, the lowering of the commission by .05 is what I consider very bad news.  

They tried to do the same to StockXpert members who had images on Photos.com and most of us independents resisted.  Now they are trying to do the same with JIU.  Looks like the ultimate plan is to just wear us down.

And yeah, it is tempting to just throw in the towel on this one.  But how can we expect to continue getting up to .38 at SS, .34 on FT and even higher (tiered) sub sales on DT if we roll over for .25 on JIU or Photos.com?


Exactly.... I'm opted out. Only a matter of time before they bring the same pathetic commissions to StockXpert itself, in which case I will be leaving altogether.

KB

« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2009, 12:59 »
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I didn't notice any mention of maximum size.

IIRC, JIU sub sales are at maximum size, whereas photos.com sales are limited (~4MP max?).

If GI sub sales are limited to such a small size, if there are enough 20% larger size sales, and if there are a lot of sales overall, it just might be worth considering. If, if, if.

But definitely my first move is to opt-out, and then wait and see. $0.25 continues to be an insult.

dbvirago

« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2009, 13:09 »
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Boy, all that stuff is confusing.  Upload this here, or there, or what...

Yeah, very confusing.  For one thing they don't mention a category of people who are opted in to the StockXpert partner program but opted out of partner subs on istock. 



in addition, i do have different emails for both of them, by accident. do i inform is, do i stay quiet? it's like 12 dimensional chess.


I would if I could. Since I have 500 images on Istock, I can't sell the 5000 I have on SX. Of course, I can 'feel free' to upload them at Istock

suwanneeredhead

  • O.I.D. Sufferer (Obsessive Illustration Disorder)
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2009, 13:11 »
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$0.25 continues to be an insult.

Agreed. I personally would like to avoid any reductions in commission, these micro-commissions are already insulting and demeaning to us. I guess they figure they can do it, though, because if one photographer opts out, several more are there to take his/her place.

« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2009, 13:18 »
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I will opt out, 25 cents is a big insult, 30 cents was lower than I was happy with.  Why oh why are they increasing pay per download prices with istock and keeping these stupidly low prices for subscriptions?

Hopefully the buyers who left photos.com to go to JIUunlimited will now go to shutterstock.

« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2009, 13:23 »
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We have until December 31, 2009 to opt out, so I suggest we all go over to the StockXpert forum and say we will opt out unless they match the 30 cents we are currently getting.  Probably wont work but might be worth a try.
« Last Edit: December 14, 2009, 13:39 by sharpshot »

« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2009, 13:32 »
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I'm starting to feel sorry for Getty.
They must be doing really bad. Otherwise why would anyone go to such lengths in the hope of grabbing a cheap 0.5 cent?
Is it greed?
Regardless, where's that 'Opt out' button?

« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2009, 14:03 »
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The biggest change I see is the lowering of subs to 25 cents, vice 30 cents.  Is that the very bad news you are talking about, Lisa?

This old brain isn't grasping this very quickly.  Can someone help me understand?  Should I be baling out of StockXpert, Completely?

Yes, the lowering of the commission by .05 is what I consider very bad news.  

They tried to do the same to StockXpert members who had images on Photos.com and most of us independents resisted.  Now they are trying to do the same with JIU.  Looks like the ultimate plan is to just wear us down.

And yeah, it is tempting to just throw in the towel on this one.  But how can we expect to continue getting up to .38 at SS, .34 on FT and even higher (tiered) sub sales on DT if we roll over for .25 on JIU or Photos.com?
There's one thing (only) that subscription sites care about - if as a contributor you want to influence their behavior. Cut back/off their stream of new content.

We went through this before (for those who remember when Jupiter started the Photos.com+ and JIU/unlimited and to some extent when FT started subscriptions) and did both times get some increases in the original money (although some skeptics think that was the plan all along and they just played games - who knows).

Buried in the steaming pile of the recent IS announcement was a "please opt in to the partner program". I'm opted out and will stay that way as I think it's a very, very bad idea and gets worse over the long term. It does suggest, however, that they didn't get as many images opted in as they hoped, and may feel the pain if a lot of people opt out.

Some people won't want to stay away feeling that 25 cents is better than nothing, but if they didn't get any content at 25 cents they'd be forced to up the royalty (or go buy some fresh, recent & decent wholly owned content somewhere; I'm assuming they can't easily or they'd have already done it).

Don't give them the content at the cheapo price and there's at least a chance they'll have to reconsider...

WarrenPrice

« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2009, 14:23 »
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Okay... I've joined those on the StockXpert thread expressing opinion of the 25 cent subs ... for whatever it is worth.   ::)

Perhaps this will increase the possibilities of success at the smaller agencies?  123rf,canstock,cutcaster???  Maybe???

Or, maybe that is just a contirbutor's opinion, totally unrelated to how buyers think?

« Last Edit: December 14, 2009, 14:27 by WarrenPrice »

« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2009, 14:29 »
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We have until December 31, 2009 to opt out, so I suggest we all go over to the StockXpert forum and say we will opt out unless they match the 30 cents we are currently getting.  Probably wont work but might be worth a try.

Done that.
And opted out directly.
I can well live without those 0,25 sales.

If Getty changes the comission (which I doubt) I can still opt in again...

« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2009, 14:35 »
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One thing I will say about stock...it's rarely dull.  If things seem to go quiet, get ready.  More drama is right around the corner.

« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2009, 15:06 »
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I'm already opted-out in StockXpert, it seems it's time to opt-out in IS too (if I haven't already).


 

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