Hello everyone!
I posted this in the StockXpert forums already, but I thought I'd cross post it here as well:
I want to give you a heads up that soon your StockXpert images will have the potential to produce even more income for you when we make them available on one of Jupiterimages' most established and respected stock photo brands--Photos.com. Photos.com was created in 2002, and since then it has built a very large and loyal customer base.
I can't say too much more now, but you will receive an e-mail and sitemail within the next couple of weeks with more details about this exciting new program. This opportunity will be open to all StockXpert contributors with no restrictive exclusive committments.
Until then, I invite you to visit [url]http://www.photos.com[/url] and check it out.
Thanks
-Steve
Hi guys,Steve, I hope this isn't a cryptic way of saying "it won't be $0.01 per download, but it might be $0.04 0r $0.09 per download." I nkow you guys want to hold out the details until you get them worked out, but the math is pretty frightening.
I can't give a way too much right now, but trust me, you won't be receiving $.01 a download. :)
Thanks!
-Steve
...nd please MSG guys and gals, I am truly a humble guy and do not walk around with the misconception that I am a world class photog. I'm not. Far from it!!! But you don't have to be the world's expert to tell the difference between a technically lousy shot and one that isn't. Or, poor composition.
While the Photos.com subscriptions are limited in size, it says nothing about those on StockXpert itself where buyers can pick up an XL or higher at a subscription price.True... Where's steve-oh!!!
Great news Steve! I hope it will work well.
If I understand it right, photos.com subscriptions are sold as "macro" prices and this news means one more additional sales channel for our pictures
I like the opportunity to sell images for higher prices but why would people pay $299.95 when they can get the same image for $10? How will this be justified to the buyers when they see these vastly different prices for the same images?
I wonder what will happen when some customer that has paid 200 $ for a XL photo discovers that was available in another site of the same brad for 10$. ANgry customers are bad for business.
The rights are a bit different. You can read the Photos.com EULA here:
[url]http://www.photos.com/en/company/terms[/url]
The rights are a bit different. You can read the Photos.com EULA here:
[url]http://www.photos.com/en/company/terms[/url]
Also, as of now, the level of service the Photos.com PPD customer receives is a bit higher at that price range.
Istock exclusivity might be the one good option remaining for the folks who don't want to sell via the low paying subscriptions on the other sites.There is another solution Fotolia-Exclusivity i thought of this before but discharged it in respect to StockXpert. But now as things changed so radically at StockXpert its a good option i'm gold at Fotolia so i can charge 5credits for the smallest resolution and can option out from subs i think i will go this route.
An EL for a sub price that would be totally unacceptable, but I'm sure that StockXpert/Photos.com teams will make some changes to the existing licensing agreements before going live.
StockXpert has always been good at listening to us.
An EL for a sub price that would be totally unacceptable, but I'm sure that StockXpert/Photos.com teams will make some changes to the existing licensing agreements before going live.
StockXpert has always been good at listening to us.
that they have :)
I'm a little confused.Photo.com buyers will be able to purchase on StockXpert at different pricing schemes
Will Photos.com be in addition to StockXpert with different pricing schemes, or are the two sites merging into one mega site?
i have more or less deleted my L, S and XS from my miniscule portfolio,We will download L-sizes from your XL-Images as sub without any restrictions (EL-Usage).
i have more or less deleted my L, S and XS from my miniscule portfolio,I don't understand your logic. I'm tempted by the opposite solution :
or at least , anything that i don't want to be just subs .
images that i have with other sites that could earn more.
I'm a little confused.
Will Photos.com be in addition to StockXpert with different pricing schemes, or are the two sites merging into one mega site?
An EL for a sub price that would be totally unacceptable, but I'm sure that StockXpert/Photos.com teams will make some changes to the existing licensing agreements before going live.
StockXpert has always been good at listening to us.
When I consider that my EL income from SS alone this month is just about the same as my total earnings from StockXpert it makes it much easier (though painful) to say I'll just delete my StockXpert portfolio if they go through with this as planned. It's less about the StockXpert income than it is about protecting the EL income from other sites - SS, IS and FT.
CAUTION, PESSIMISM AHEAD:
If your IS portfolio hasn't yet been affected by subs hang onto your hats. IS is not about to be undercut. With the seemingly unending flood of images, contributors, and new sites coming on-line economics will dictate lower prices.
I read the StockXpert thread and this one and it seems that contributors are threatening to leave StockXpert over this.Yep, and not the worst.
I remember the threads where Designers asked for his stuff because the started a design using his characters and wanted expand it but couldn't find his stuff anymore - but was it really StockXpert he left and not another site?I read the StockXpert thread and this one and it seems that contributors are threatening to leave StockXpert over this.Yep, and not the worst.
I remember when Lumax3D (gold man) removed his portfolio from StockXpert I was a big mess. Same designers were in trouble and have to buy his images at another site.
I read the StockXpert thread and this one and it seems that contributors are threatening to leave StockXpert over this. I wonder how many would follow through. I'll start a poll in another thread.
Once you attract the type of customer who wants everything for a dollar or less, how do you raise prices once you realize you need to do so? The answer is, you cannot. The same bargain basement hunters will leave you as soon as you raise prices, and go to your cheaper competition.
7500 photos for $99?
This is exactly what I have a hard time understanding. What type of client are they reaching for? Is this not the underbelly of customer buying these almost free subs plans?
Can this get even more ridiculous? I must say I am VERY DISSAPOINTED in StockXpert. I hope they regain some sanity and change the agreement to something more realistic.
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I will give it a chance for a month or two.......but if it starts looking bad...........I too will be deleting all of my 3,000 photos.......Just curious, what do you expect to see after 2 months to make your decision ?
Truth be known, theres not a thing any of you can say or do to stop this train wreck happening. The writing woz on the wall ages a ago and all the hollerin an protesting is not going to make a dizzy of a difference. 10mp cams are so cheep now theres a queue behind y'all waiting to submit and they don't even care if they get paid or not. They just get a buzz from the whole community thing. Watch!
Truth be known, theres not a thing any of you can say or do to stop this train wreck happening. The writing woz on the wall ages a ago and all the hollerin an protesting is not going to make a dizzy of a difference. 10mp cams are so cheep now theres a queue behind y'all waiting to submit and they don't even care if they get paid or not. They just get a buzz from the whole community thing. Watch!
Truth be known, theres not a thing any of you can say or do to stop this train wreck happening. The writing woz on the wall ages a ago and all the hollerin an protesting is not going to make a dizzy of a difference. 10mp cams are so cheep now theres a queue behind y'all waiting to submit and they don't even care if they get paid or not. They just get a buzz from the whole community thing. Watch!
lisafx, I find that your messages are very helpful.
It would be nice if we could set up some sort of union to protect the contributers interests. If you could get the top 5000? shooters to buy into it maybe their collective voice could make a difference.It isn't that bad - something like top 10-20 will actually be enough; and there are success stories in the past about agencies making adjustments after joint call from forums even without top photographers being involved.
@MikLav Check the StockXpert forums. Steve posted there this morning that it'll be mid August before they actually put anything on Photos.com and that it won't be 250 images a day for the StockXpert content, but he wouldn't say how many or an actual start date or...I just checked StockXpert forum today morning (my time) and saw nothing from Steve for several days, just like here. Good he is back commenting again.
Truth be known, theres not a thing any of you can say or do to stop this train wreck happening. The writing woz on the wall ages a ago and all the hollerin an protesting is not going to make a dizzy of a difference. 10mp cams are so cheep now theres a queue behind y'all waiting to submit and they don't even care if they get paid or not. They just get a buzz from the whole community thing. Watch!
I sent site mail to you via StockXpert with my concerns:
Extended license usages for 30 cent commission.
Removal of opt out for subs, partner & ELs
Long term viability of Photos.com subs pricing given commission to StockXpert contributors
@cphoto I guess I share the concern about the 30 cent commission being an industry low water mark, but it is only relevant (to me) once I can be shown how this Photos.com business model might actually last for more than a few months
Hi guys,
We're inviting you to participate in a conference call on Thursday 7/31 at 2pm Easter to discuss these changes further. We want to be as open as we can about this.
Please see details at [url]http://www.stockxpert.com/forum.phtml?f=showtopic&n=15651.[/url]
Thanks!
-Steve
We're inviting you to participate in a conference call on Thursday 7/31 at 2pm Easter to discuss these changes further. We want to be as open as we can about this.
We're inviting you to participate in a conference call on Thursday 7/31 at 2pm Easter to discuss these changes further. We want to be as open as we can about this.
That doesn't sound like anything is going to change...
Steve,Same here and i agree! I can't see a reason why things can't be cleared in a thread either here or at StockXpert. Contributors are from all over the world with different obligations so to fix them on one time is not a good idea. As English is also not my mother-tongue it's much easier for me to read and write as speak and listen-i feel segregated. :(
Unfortunately I won't be able to participate (and I wonder if you would pay an international call anyway...), but I think the main concerns have already been addressed here. If they are clarified, we can all make a better decision about this new route.
Thanks for listening.
Regards,
Adelaide
<...> beyond the July 30th deadline.<...>
I just happened upon a stock photo website that sells, among other things, content from Jupiter's Photos.com. They don't offer subscriptions, just per image prices. The same images are offered there as on Photos.com and for the price of a Medium Image ($149.95) you could buy a one month subscription ($99.95) and get 7500 images at that size versus one
[url]http://www.pixelmill.com/products/59242.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.photos.com/en/search/close-up?oid=3168022&hoid=2b3555cc91b5fa0a58d9a8651f5182c7[/url]
Would StockXpert content (after August 4th) end up on the PixelMill web site for sale too? There are other Jupiter partners....
That same suitcase image shows up twice on a search on Inmagine:
[url]http://www.inmagine.com/kss017/ks5457-photo[/url]
[url]http://www.inmagine.com/itrb015/itrb015078-photo[/url]
In the first it's identified as a Comstock image and in the second as "Photoscom". Better still, the prices aren't the same!
As a buyer, this sort of stuff must make one's head spin. It's like you've jumped into some demented sales arena where you could pay wildly differing prices for the same content.
Perhaps some will look at this and see the possibility of a windfall and be thrilled. To me it seems like a very, very muddled situation with channels overlapping and competing with each other.
As part of the hoped for clarification from StockXpert, can they elaborate on where StockXpert images will end up other than Photos.com?
When I read the email from StockXpert about the merger/conglomeration I was jumping with joy! I'm predicting a lot more sales starting early next month.
When I read the email from StockXpert about the merger/conglomeration I was jumping with joy! I'm predicting a lot more sales starting early next month.
I agree your description of the volume on Photos.com is encouraging. I am all for the extra exposure and downloads and will even put up with the .30 subscriptions royalty for now.
But honestly, you are excited about gutting your EL sales on other sites by offering them for .30??!!
That's one pill I am just NOT willing to swallow.
Hi guys,This conference is today, but why a conference call. It would be much easier to only read what peoples think in the different forums. This way to reach people seem to me a little ridiculous. My phones are out of batteries after 10 minutes LOL
We're inviting you to participate in a conference call on Thursday 7/31 at 2pm Easter to discuss these changes further. We want to be as open as we can about this.
Hi guys,This conference is today, but why a conference call. It would be much easier to only read what peoples think in the different forums. This way to reach people seem to me a little ridiculous. My phones are out of batteries after 10 minutes LOL
We're inviting you to participate in a conference call on Thursday 7/31 at 2pm Easter to discuss these changes further. We want to be as open as we can about this.
Joann is my hero! She's doing an excellent job articulating our concerns.
Jo Ann, just want to clear up one point: We never were going to prevent you from deleting your portfolio. You always will be able to delete your portfolio at any time.
We never were going to prevent you from deleting your portfolio. You always will be able to delete your portfolio at any time.
Thanks!
-Steve
I am surprised none of the big guys (like Yuri etc)haven't expressed their view on the matter.may be I am wrong I might have missed something?Maybe VIP accounts have differents TOS. :-\
....Also Patty is wrong when she states that you would need an XL or XXL version to print on T-shirt or mug, an L size is more than sufficient.....
It is a shame that they don't know basic things like this already. It does make me wonder if they really understand what they are doing?
So tell us...unless we're from the school of "I'm just tickled-pink to get any money for my photos"...why should we stick around?
Patty Vargas mentioned that StockXpert doesn't have a lot of EL sales. After she said that, I totally forgot to mention one of my observations on the conference call.Exactly what I was thinking in the shower :D
I've noticed that the sites where I do receive frequent EL sales have them prominently displayed on the image's web page. On the other hand, at StockXpert (and DT where I haven't had any EL sales until very recently) the buyer has to click on a separate link to view the ELs. I've often wondered if the difference in page design is responsible for the lack of ELs at StockXpert and DT. A fairly simple fix of the page design could bring in the ELs that Patty said are lacking at StockXpert.
So one would be able to buy the WHOLE collection of StockXpert with 19 accounts (19x91250=1733750) or 8549$...
Scary, isn't it?
Exactly i hope Steve read this!!!!!Patty Vargas mentioned that StockXpert doesn't have a lot of EL sales. After she said that, I totally forgot to mention one of my observations on the conference call.Exactly what I was thinking in the shower :D
I've noticed that the sites where I do receive frequent EL sales have them prominently displayed on the image's web page. On the other hand, at StockXpert (and DT where I haven't had any EL sales until very recently) the buyer has to click on a separate link to view the ELs. I've often wondered if the difference in page design is responsible for the lack of ELs at StockXpert and DT. A fairly simple fix of the page design could bring in the ELs that Patty said are lacking at StockXpert.
Patty Vargas mentioned that StockXpert doesn't have a lot of EL sales. After she said that, I totally forgot to mention one of my observations on the conference call.
I've noticed that the sites where I do receive frequent EL sales have them prominently displayed on the image's web page. On the other hand, at StockXpert (and DT where I haven't had any EL sales until very recently) the buyer has to click on a separate link to view the ELs. I've often wondered if the difference in page design is responsible for the lack of ELs at StockXpert and DT. A fairly simple fix of the page design could bring in the ELs that Patty said are lacking at StockXpert.
I think we're about to witness the rather public and humilating death of yet another microstock wannabee site that just got too greedy much too soon. Oh dear; how sad; never mind.
Sorry about your family's loss lisafx.
Patty Vargas mentioned that StockXpert doesn't have a lot of EL sales. After she said that, I totally forgot to mention one of my observations on the conference call.
I've noticed that the sites where I do receive frequent EL sales have them prominently displayed on the image's web page. On the other hand, at StockXpert (and DT where I haven't had any EL sales until very recently) the buyer has to click on a separate link to view the ELs. I've often wondered if the difference in page design is responsible for the lack of ELs at StockXpert and DT. A fairly simple fix of the page design could bring in the ELs that Patty said are lacking at StockXpert.
Thanks for raising this and we fully intend to make it easier for customers to purchase ELs on StockXpert. It's in the work and I expect with an easier interface and simpler design that EL sales will go up.
Paddy
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I guess we should have asked aobut the JI/Unlimited site yesterday, but I hadn't really thought through what the differences between their terms and the Photos.com ones actually meant given their plans to add StockXpert content to the mix.
Looks to me that StockXpert have dug themselves a mighty big hole here and have a no-win situation on their hands.
If they offer an opt-out then anyone with half a brain will do so __ so they won't have much of a library left to offer at Photos.com anyway.
If they don't offer an opt-out then they won't actually have a library worth offering to anyone at all.
Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!Thanks for raising this and we fully intend to make it easier for customers to purchase ELs on StockXpert. It's in the work and I expect with an easier interface and simpler design that EL sales will go up.
Paddy
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Paddy,
While I really appreciate the intent I'd like to say that EL sales on StockXpert won't certainly go up if you have L size images available with photo plus subscription package plan and let your customer resale T-shirt, calendars, mugs or even on a cover magazine with 3 millions prints with the picture on it.
I worked as a designer for magazine and an L size image has enough definition to make a full cover print, calendars, etc. Upsizing softwares such as Genuine fractals are now good enough to even blow up and L size image on a bill board.
So on a per photo base, I would opt-in with *less* quality, and it would still improve Photos.com collection and in the same time give some more valu to my older photos.
deleting my StockXpert portfolio is firmly on my mind.
A point I made over on their forum. SS pay me 38 cents for subscription downloads, 123rf 36 cents, DT 35 cents and FT 32 cents. istock pay more for subs commissions on average. DT and FT also use subs downloads to increase the amount I make from pay per download sales.
StockXpert now has the lowest subs commission rate of the big sites, just 30 cents. They need to offer us an opt out or increase prices in line with the other top sites.
Perhaps now is a good time to do this, as there is a lot of bad feeling and a nice raise might make people think again about deleting their portfolios.
deleting my StockXpert portfolio is firmly on my mind.
Same here to be honest __ whatever happens next.
The management team at StockXpert have let us down like a cheap pair of tights.
what is the procedure for removing?
Anybody know if there's a procedure to disable your portfolio?
It seems somehow less emotionally impacting.
"I'm not breaking up with you, it's just that we should maybe start seeing other people."
I'm curious - has anyone else been contacted directly by StockXpert with apologies?
There could be a mid solution, if they offer an opt-out/in on a per photo base.
I'm not a great photographer, but, like everybody here, I can tell that my *worst* photos are better than most of Photos.com's.
So on a per photo base, I would opt-in with *less* quality, and it would still improve Photos.com collection and in the same time give some more valu to my older photos.
I'm curious - has anyone else been contacted directly by StockXpert with apologies?
They realized they made a mistake and they are working on fixing it before the official announcement tomorrow.
I'm curious - has anyone else been contacted directly by StockXpert with apologies?
I did. I was on the call too and I exchanged several emails over the week-end with Paddy to discuss possible changes on the photos.com EULA.
They realized they made a mistake and they are working on fixing it before the official announcement tomorrow.
I totally disagree about selling my images with EL for 30 cents royalty on photos.com. Give me the option to opt-out from this or I delete all my photos on stockxpert.
I'm curious - has anyone else been contacted directly by StockXpert with apologies?
I did. I was on the call too and I exchanged several emails over the week-end with Paddy to discuss possible changes on the photos.com EULA.
They realized they made a mistake and they are working on fixing it before the official announcement tomorrow.
Has any1 els noticed that the big ports are missing from all the shouting happening over on StockXpert and here. Andres, Yuri, iofoto, dolgachov, lumaxart, are very quiet for some strange reason ???yep,I did noticed and mentioned that before.strange isn't it?
Has any1 els noticed that the big ports are missing from all the shouting happening over on StockXpert and here. Andres, Yuri, iofoto, dolgachov, lumaxart, are very quiet for some strange reason ???You forgot Leaf.
Has any1 els noticed that the big ports are missing from all the shouting happening over on StockXpert and here. Andres, Yuri, iofoto, dolgachov, lumaxart, are very quiet for some strange reason ???
Has any1 els noticed that the big ports are missing from all the shouting happening over on StockXpert and here. Andres, Yuri, iofoto, dolgachov, lumaxart, are very quiet for some strange reason ???
Maybe they have addressed their concerns directly to the management, not in forum discussions - although I wished they would do that in public.
Regards,
Adelaide
on the bright side no other agency would have allowed a strike against them on their very own forum.I would like this democratic approach will continue when they are taking serious decisions.it'd be too sad to drop StockXpert if they insist on the change.but having seen such strong opposition to the deal I hope common sense will win and they will step back from photos.com deal.fingers crossed!
...I thought i would wait and see what the actual deal is before I get my shirt in a knot... but yes, I do have my concerns and i sure hope it is fair.
guys and gals, we re getting it up the ass here and until the bigger ports start making more noise adn I aint jus talking bout 1 or 2, yall can grease yr butts some more.
All those deleted ports are little people and even if the big guns start burning some bridges it still wont make no diff. So what if they allow open discussion? thats just pouring water on the outrage they knew would come. See if what you say makes a sheeit of a diff. they is still going ahead with whatever they planning.
Sooner the better yall realise that the reason we get treeted like crap is because we sell our stuff for crap. protest all u want, we create these sites when we spread our stuff all over lik confeti and then complain when things get messy.
I am really disappointed to see there doesn't appear to be any news about what StockXpert plans to do to remedy this situation. I guess I will wait a few more hours but I am getting pretty close to deleting my portfolio.
I wouldn't write this memo off just yet. My bet is that there will be substantial changes coming -- most of the important issues will be settled. Too much at stake for them. Just my opinion...but I also though SnapVillage would be a powerhouse.
no annocuments yet?
Saw this over there:
"We have received a great deal of feedback on the changes we announced a week ago. Thank you to all of those who have posted here and participated in the town hall call we held on Thursday. The StockXpert team is working on a message that will be sent to all contributors later today. Please bear with us."
I bet the message is "suck it up!".
Well it's 6:45pm EST and still no word. Not good to leave us hanging this way.
This was announced by an admin in the StockXpert forums about an hour ago.
'It is coming but they are in the US, so it might be a little late if you're in Europe.
You won't be disappointed though!'
So it sounds like it is going to be good news.
Yes, probably $.31 for the EL standard photos.com license ;)
eta: "I'm told the e-mail will be sent within the hour."
Interesting thing he doesn't have a hand in it. You think he'd write it and it would get sent.
...For those that pre-maturely deleted your portfolios... any regrets for lack of patience?
Opt-out is intact, which is the most important thing here, at least to me. What is a bit worrying is their attitude towards ELs. They seem to be of the opinion that ELs are something out of the ordinary that just happens to a special few. As has been mentioned earlier on this thread, it doesn't need to be like that, and it's their responsibility to fix it through better marketing of that option.Agree re: EL language. Can't imagine why that wouldn't be promoted more.
Wait, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like you have to opt out of subscriptions to opt out of Photos.com. Does that seem odd to anyone else? What's the point of the third-party opt-out if staying in for subscriptions means your work appears on third-party sites anyway?
In response, for contributor convenience and customer benefit we made these options opt-out. Very few contributors opt-out which tells us that these revenue opportunities are viewed positively by virtually the entire Stockxpert community.
Our customers want the fresh, stylized images that you're producing and selling on Stockxpert.
We've definitely learned an important and valuable lesson in how we need to engage with you in the future.
QuoteIn response, for contributor convenience and customer benefit we made these options opt-out. Very few contributors opt-out which tells us that these revenue opportunities are viewed positively by virtually the entire Stockxpert community.
In other words, people didn't want to do it, so we made them do it by default.
This whole thing still sounds shady. I'm glad you guys are going over it with a fine toothed comb. Still sounds like they want to take advantage of you.QuoteOur customers want the fresh, stylized images that you're producing and selling on Stockxpert.
So, why don't they move their asses over to StockXpert?
I see nothing about changing the EULA. If you still offer your images on photos.com, you get to give away your rights without compensation. I think I'm going to take the Paul C. route and start selling calendars.QuoteWe've definitely learned an important and valuable lesson in how we need to engage with you in the future.
ie,. we're going to sugar coat everything, so you have no idea how we're screwing you over.
Hi Adelaide,
The Stockxpert subscription option is for StockXpert subs and all other Jupiterimages sub programs. So, yes, by opting out of StockXpert subs, you have opted out of Photos.com Plus.
3rd party licensing is a separate option that includes any partnership and licensing opportunities outside of Jupiterimages. We currently do not engage in these types of partnerships, so you have not sold any images through this option.
Does this clarify things?
-Steve
With that said, nothing is set in stone.
Steve
I'm very disappointed. I thought for certain the EULA would be changed, and instead we get an opt-out which means we will be giving up sub earnings just to defend ourselves from the Photos.com deal.
I see no logic in this. The major contributors are all going to opt out, so StockXpert just lost a ton of sub sales on their own site, and Photos.com will see none of that material. Assuming Yuri and Iophoto opt out, StockXpert will no longer be able to offer their material via subscription. This seems like a horrible move for StockXpert. If they had simply changed the EULA, none of this would be necessary.
I've lost a lot of confidence in this decision.
PRODUCT FEATURES Site StockXpert Photos.com Plus JIU+ Pay-per-Download Cost $1 - $20/image $49 - $299/image N/A Pay-Per-Download Royalty 50% 30% (XL, XXL, EPS) N/A Subscription Download Royalty 0.30 0.30 0.30 Subscription Download Limit 25 day 25 day w/ 750 month maximum 25 day w/ 750 month maximum
They made a mistake, ...
Contributors do remember, Epixx. I gather it will take a long time to build back trust. Fotolia eventually raised sub commissions, but from reading recent posts it is obvious contributors still view them with a wary eye.
This industry is already undermined and accepting the subscription plan here as it now stands only deepens the undermining of the industry.Agree with Bobby
It is well past time that these greedy agencies came back to the realization that WE are the ones that THEY work for not the other way around. The Agency is the AGENT that means they make their livings off of our talent. They own nothing but servers, we own the content and as such if we stand UNITED on issues we remain in control.
It is time for the contributing content creators in this industry to grow sacks and stand up against this fiscal abuse.
It truly is sad that JI and StockXpert have gone down the same greed lined path as the rest of this industry. I actually liked it here but the truth is that under the current conditions I am done here. My legacy portfolio can remain as long as it does not contribute to the undermining of my sales elsewhere and everyone else here needs to stand up and take the same stance here and WE WILL WIN THIS ONE.
DO NOT OPT IN TO StockXpert / PHOTOS.com Subscriptions. To do so only weakens an already terminally weak industry. The health and strength of this industry lies firmly in the hands of the contributors. We own the content and as such we own the power! To win though WE have to ACT TOGETHER!
So you think that 50-250$ sales are posible at Photos.com ?
and offering PPD options for EPS format vectors ranging from 50$-250$, I confess I was delighted. PPDs priced as mid-macrostock is good news and on top of that on a site that I would never get anyways.
So you think that 50-250$ sales are posible at Photos.com ?
and offering PPD options for EPS format vectors ranging from 50$-250$, I confess I was delighted. PPDs priced as mid-macrostock is good news and on top of that on a site that I would never get anyways.
For me it looks like "everything for 1$" shop with one display with 250$ prices. Not same kind of buyers.
So you think that 50-250$ sales are posible at Photos.com ?
and offering PPD options for EPS format vectors ranging from 50$-250$, I confess I was delighted. PPDs priced as mid-macrostock is good news and on top of that on a site that I would never get anyways.
For me it looks like "everything for 1$" shop with one display with 250$ prices. Not same kind of buyers.
Well, they'll keep their low commissions but at least they will keep the opt-out in place.
For those that pre-maturely deleted your portfolios... any regrets for lack of patience?
I still have two questions....
#1 is on the opt out deadline of August 15. Does this mean that after this date the opt out option will be completely gone? We only have 2 weeks to see how Photos.com works? If we opt out now, can we opt back in at a date later than August 15th?
#2 -- What about the copyright issue on photo.com? Is Jupiter still going to strip our ownership of our pictures sold on photo.com?
Those of you who think that this does not have any effect on you because you don't currently have a significant EL market are missing the point completely.Absolutely right. The problem is that with the subscription model the agencies no longer take their commission as a percentage of our earnings.
Every subscription download at Photos.com will in fact be an EL. That download will carry with it the rights to create printed items for sale. Art prints, T-Shirts, Greeting Cards, image branded consumer items at retail and on Ebay.
Images downloaded under the Photos.com subscription EULA will be able to be used for all these uses and for the right for manufacturers to use your images as PRODUCT you will receive 30 cents!
If any of you allow this to happen then you are only hurting those in the industry who do rely on ELs and or have deals with manufactures to provide content at reasonable market prices. To allow your images to be licensed under this plan only contributes to the continuing undermine of pricing in this industry and will eventually lead full circle back to images being given away for free.
I personally would have happily opted in to the Photos.com plan had they only been willing to correct this issue in the EULA but their unwillingness to do so proves that when they say they are customer centric and that they realized we are customers too only proves they are lying.
First off WE are not customers we are Clients. Why is it that no one seems to understand ALL THESE AGENCIES WORK FOR US? We PAY THEM to market our talent and Content. They don't pay us WE PAY THEM as such WE HAVE THE POWER to stand up an make a real difference here but WE have to recognize OUR TRUE POSITION HERE
Absolutely right. The problem is that with the subscription model the agencies no longer take their commission as a percentage of our earnings.
This disconnect between our success and their success has made it very easy for them to forget that they work for us. They no longer get directly paid from our earnings.
Again, sorry guys, but this all comes down to Shutterstock. It is their model that is the problem and its success that is making the other agencies copy it.
It's a fantastic model for the agencies and an appalling one for submitters.
I think I have somewhere read (I do not know where) resale of itemes with our photos on it through ebay or cafepress is prohibited under the EULA of Photos.com. Is this covered by the prohibition of selling Physical Goods (for resale through on-demand services)? Can you clarify Steve?
Correct, Jan. Cafepress and eBay type print-on-demad distribution is prohibited under the the Photos.com EULA.
Thanks,
SteveI think I have somewhere read (I do not know where) resale of itemes with our photos on it through ebay or cafepress is prohibited under the EULA of Photos.com. Is this covered by the prohibition of selling Physical Goods (for resale through on-demand services)? Can you clarify Steve?
Correct, Jan. Cafepress and eBay type print-on-demad distribution is prohibited under the the Photos.com EULA.
Thanks,
SteveI think I have somewhere read (I do not know where) resale of itemes with our photos on it through ebay or cafepress is prohibited under the EULA of Photos.com. Is this covered by the prohibition of selling Physical Goods (for resale through on-demand services)? Can you clarify Steve?
Steve, see there you go blowing more smoke. You and I both know that Ebay stores that are offering PRINTS are not deemed as Print On Demand. Ebay has become an accepted RETAIL outlet and can not be compared to Cafe Press. This license is not good for your contributors or for the industry and your issuance of it leaves Jupiter Images in a bad light. As an AGENT it is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to act in GOOD FAITH to those you represent. This license is not in good faith and should not be offered as a Jupiter Images product.
Simply bringing the Photos.com subscription EULA in line with currently acceptable subscription EULA's would end all this discussion and would see the majority of contributors opt back in to subscriptions across the board. Personally I don't understand why Jupiter Images is so unwilling to address an issue that in the end will be more detrimental to them then not. By conceding on this point you guys would be back to the originally stated goal of being able to provide a consistent product across all your brands. By not conceding you only deepen the gap and cause the removal of even more content from the subscription model.
I had two nice 2.50 credit sales this morning. I opted out months ago and have an increase in sales. I'm convinced that subs were taking away dollars from my portfolio there. I'm still getting the sales but at the higher rate. I'll stay opted out very happily.
I had two nice 2.50 credit sales this morning. I opted out months ago and have an increase in sales. I'm convinced that subs were taking away dollars from my portfolio there. I'm still getting the sales but at the higher rate. I'll stay opted out very happily.
Lou, I think you are right that subscriptions were taking away higher sales. I have been opted in to subscriptions from the beginning and only opted out over the weekend.
Monday and Tuesday I am seeing a marked increase in L and XL sales. I hardly got any of those after subs kicked in and now I am getting quite a few. Volume is down a bit, but I am actually making better money than when I was opted in to subscriptions. Hope the trend continues :)
My opinion.. buyer finds an image they like.. buyer wants it & will use whichever method is available to purchase said image. No subs available on that specific image means they purchase ppd.
I believe so. If a designer find an image that would be perfect for a project, spending an extra $10 should not make much difference.
I had two nice 2.50 credit sales this morning. I opted out months ago and have an increase in sales. I'm convinced that subs were taking away dollars from my portfolio there. I'm still getting the sales but at the higher rate. I'll stay opted out very happily.
Lou, I think you are right that subscriptions were taking away higher sales. I have been opted in to subscriptions from the beginning and only opted out over the weekend.
Monday and Tuesday I am seeing a marked increase in L and XL sales. I hardly got any of those after subs kicked in and now I am getting quite a few. Volume is down a bit, but I am actually making better money than when I was opted in to subscriptions. Hope the trend continues :)
I believe so. If a designer find an image that would be perfect for a project, spending an extra $10 should not make much difference.
I'd assume the opposite actually. A buyer in the StockXpert forum a while back asked if there was a way to filter searches to exclude PPD-only images, so they only saw sub images. That leads me to believe that some subscribers won't even consider a PPD image.
Hi Adelaide,
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Does this clarify things?
-Steve
Correct, Jan. Cafepress and eBay type print-on-demad distribution is prohibited under the the Photos.com EULA.Unless I understand "print-on-demand" wrongly, I think selling merchandise at e-Bay would be acceptable. People offer final products there, the same they would if they had a store.
I had two nice 2.50 credit sales this morning. I opted out months ago and have an increase in sales. I'm convinced that subs were taking away dollars from my portfolio there. I'm still getting the sales but at the higher rate. I'll stay opted out very happily.
My opinion.. buyer finds an image they like.. buyer wants it & will use whichever method is available to purchase said image. No subs available on that specific image means they purchase ppd.
Hi guys,
Sorry I have not been addressing the EULA change questions. I simply don't have an answer. Changing the EULA is not a unilateral decision; it's something that needs some serious consideration and discussion by people at a higher level than myself. It's definitely not something we could do in the short time we had.
We do not not filter images out of search results based on whether they are opted-in or out. Subscription buyers will see non-sub images.
Sorry Tom about the confusion. We are also distributing that message via sitemail with a more inclusive intro. :)
-Steve
Steve, yours and StockXpert's responsiveness to contributor concerns is very much appreciated.
Of course it is unreasonable to expect a major reworking of the EULA in a short time. This is a major decision that requires a legal team to be involved. We all know how slow lawyers work ;)
The fact is you and the rest of the StockXpert admins involved have gone above and beyond IMHO, and by leaving the opt-out we are free to participate or not in the current EULA and future offerings. Really can't ask much more than that.
Hope folks will appreciate your efforts and cut you guys a break.... :)
Thanks, Lisa, for those nice words.
Leaf, if you opt-out of subscriptions, your images will not be available on Photos.com subs or PPD.
Hi Bobby, it's the decision to do it that needs careful consideration by others, and it's not a decision to be made overnight.
I do just want to let you know that we are not going to get everything right the first time all the time :), we will need to experiment, but we will make sure we communicate better any changes we plan on making and provide more time to solicit feedback about these changes.
Thanks,
-Steve
While I appreciate Steve's effort to communite, Bobby is right. Why do we need to pretend that subscription works in the contributor's favor?
Yesterday SS announced a policy change which :
-cuts contributors' percentage of sales to 25%
-allows no opt-out choice whatsoever, as I understand it
And there are no hysterical threats to pull portfolios, no idiotic calls for unionization of microstocking, no name-calling and insulting of the SS management such as the StockXpert people received.
The mgment at StockXpert must be scratching their heads.
Yesterday SS announced a policy change which :
-cuts contributors' percentage of sales to 25%
-allows no opt-out choice whatsoever, as I understand it
And there are no hysterical threats to pull portfolios, no idiotic calls for unionization of microstocking, no name-calling and insulting of the SS management such as the StockXpert people received.
Oh well. SS got its share of childish and irrational attacks from photographers back when it announced its last pay raise. I guess its StockXpert's turn now.
This is an enhancement to what SS already offers, not an effort to cannibalize more lucrative sales. Put me on record that any site that wants to pay me MORE per image sold has my wholehearted support :)
I was in business for many years. I dealt with suppliers (which is what we are to StockXpert et al). I made the suppliers offers and the suppliers behaved in a business-like manner. I wonder what Wal-Mart or Macy's would do to suppliers who sent them emails such as the posts here and on StockXpert's forum?
The 'technical' aspects of StockXpert's and SS's offer aside (because no one knows for certain how little or how much money will be or would have been made from them): If I were StockXpert I would have locked that thread and kicked out the bawling babies who threatened to leave, and tell them to go peddle their snapshots somewhere else and never come back.
That is probably what IS would have done, although I doubt that many photographers would have dared take the tone toward IS which they did to StockXpert.
StockXpert made their suppliers an offer; their suppliers, or at least many of them, responded like hysterical ninnies. They did the same thing to SS back when SS offered them a raise they didn't deem large enough. I would say that I am amused, but I am actually rather appalled.
I was in business for many years. I dealt with suppliers (which is what we are to StockXpert et al). I made the suppliers offers and the suppliers behaved in a business-like manner. I wonder what Wal-Mart or Macy's would do to suppliers who sent them emails such as the posts here and on StockXpert's forum?
The 'technical' aspects of StockXpert's and SS's offer aside (because no one knows for certain how little or how much money will be or would have been made from them): If I were StockXpert I would have locked that thread and kicked out the bawling babies who threatened to leave, and tell them to go peddle their snapshots somewhere else and never come back.
That is probably what IS would have done, although I doubt that many photographers would have dared take the tone toward IS which they did to StockXpert.
StockXpert made their suppliers an offer; their suppliers, or at least many of them, responded like hysterical ninnies. They did the same thing to SS back when SS offered them a raise they didn't deem large enough. I would say that I am amused, but I am actually rather appalled.
I was in business for many years. I dealt with suppliers (which is what we are to StockXpert et al). I made the suppliers offers and the suppliers behaved in a business-like manner. I wonder what Wal-Mart or Macy's would do to suppliers who sent them emails such as the posts here and on StockXpert's forum?
The 'technical' aspects of StockXpert's and SS's offer aside (because no one knows for certain how little or how much money will be or would have been made from them): If I were StockXpert I would have locked that thread and kicked out the bawling babies who threatened to leave, and tell them to go peddle their snapshots somewhere else and never come back.
That is probably what IS would have done, although I doubt that many photographers would have dared take the tone toward IS which they did to StockXpert.
StockXpert made their suppliers an offer; their suppliers, or at least many of them, responded like hysterical ninnies. They did the same thing to SS back when SS offered them a raise they didn't deem large enough. I would say that I am amused, but I am actually rather appalled.
3- IS has the right to have rules, StockXpert has the right to be owned.. without us they would not exist.. but IS is the starter of everything..
Even IS listens to its contributors when they have issues. And well they should as without their contributors they are nothing. Particularly their high level exclusives who justifiably seem to have some influence.
Recently they took in a lot of contributor feedback and incorporated it into their new subscription plan. And just a few months before that they changed the way they charged international buyers because of contributors taking a stand against it.
Any site that considers itself above contributors interests should tread very carefully, and that includes the industry leaders. They wouldn't be industry leaders for long without any decent images to sell and fortunately they seem to know it.
And if they forget they will be reminded :).
I honestly don't believe the problem is with Steve and the employees of StockXpert. The real problem is JI that has apparently taken StockXpert hostage in a process that robbed the management of StockXpert of their autonomy. The EULA of Photos.com demonstrates that JI have totally lost contact with recent developments in the stock industry and they apparently still believe it is the year 2002. Their plummeting stock market shares are but one of the consequences of this lack of vision.
Did I read somewhere that the 0.30 EL does not include L or XL?
Please clarify. Thank you.
Don't forget also just how much money these agencies can be making for themselves on the back of our portfolios. On a decent month I hope my port will generate at least $1k for me on IS __ but IS will make $4K from it.
With figures like those I feel less like a 'supplier' and more like a 'donor'
The StockXpert concession is a temporary fix. It's a quick reactive solution to prevent mass attrition.
Reverse the roles. What would you do if every time you wanted to make a business change you had contributors threatening to yank portfolios?
My guess is they're already talking about implementing a new policy or removing functionality to prevent mass deletion of portfolios.
If so, what then?
...My guess is they're already talking about implementing a new policy or removing functionality to prevent mass deletion of portfolios.
...My guess is they're already talking about implementing a new policy or removing functionality to prevent mass deletion of portfolios.
I think your guess is wrong. They need new images all the time or buyers will just go to the other sites. If they locked us in, they would lose new uploads. I can't see any site surviving long if they did that.
...My guess is they're already talking about implementing a new policy or removing functionality to prevent mass deletion of portfolios.
I think your guess is wrong. They need new images all the time or buyers will just go to the other sites. If they locked us in, they would lose new uploads. I can't see any site surviving long if they did that.
Any site, eh? How about Dreamstime?
How much of your portfolio there has been uploaded in the past 6 months?
"You make me mad and I'll delete my portfolio... in about 6 months."
My opinion.. buyer finds an image they like.. buyer wants it & will use whichever method is available to purchase said image. No subs available on that specific image means they purchase ppd.
I couldn't care less about these buyers. Microstock is already too cheap to make images even cheaper for them.
If I could, I would opt-out from any subs sales.
Regards,
Adelaide
I think that there are going to be a lot of unhappy buyers that have bought a subsciption only to find that most of the decent images on StockXpert are suddenly opted out of subscription sales.
Did I read somewhere that the 0.30 EL does not include L or XL?
Please clarify. Thank you.
No, the 0.30 EL does not include XL and XXL, but it does include L, which is more than enough to use the image for resale on T-shirts, calendar, mugs, magazines, etc.
True, but what I'm getting at is there is another site with restrictions already in place. And DT isn;t owned by a big company with agressive execs. I'm thinking Jupiter execs are feeling a bit spanked by this whole ordeal and don't want this happening again.
They may not introduce any changes related to removing images but I guarantee they're talking about it.
I've been slow to read all that's about to happen with StockXpert, even though I'm on there and opted into subs recently (although the majority of my sales are still outside the subscriptions). Reading the rules on photos.com, the fact it states a subscriber can "Use the Image(s) on product packaging or in any items for personal use or resale, including book covers, calendars, consumer merchandise (T-shirts, posters, art, etc.)..." is a bit much. Any items for resale? Can someone tell me if this is common in EULA's with other sites? I think such use is prohibited in StockXpert's License Agreement.
Sounds like someone could buy any image, go onto Zazzle or wherever and set up a gallery to sell images as posters, note cards etc. Probably a good time to opt out of subscriptions.
I have opted out from subs at StockXpert as soon as I heard this photos.com thing..
Just give it a try everyone and never look back.. You deserve better treatment.. Don't be after a few bucks you will make from subs, think about your future.. by supporting this you are insulting your own future..
What's next? Images for 0.1 cent??? Or for free??!! Crazy.. I would rather see StockXpert sink and all our customers at StockXpert go elsewhere.. I don't mind this at all.. I am on all major sites and don't care where the money comes from, as long as it comes in a deserved way..
Don't worry, you won't lose anything if StockXpert sinks.. Designers still need images and they will go to another agency.. so, They will still come to you.. They need you..
For your own future at stock people.. opt-out from the subs.. if they make it impossible to opt-out then I am opting out from StockXpert as well..
Save your future, not StockXpert..
True, but what I'm getting at is there is another site with restrictions already in place. And DT isn;t owned by a big company with agressive execs. I'm thinking Jupiter execs are feeling a bit spanked by this whole ordeal and don't want this happening again.
They may not introduce any changes related to removing images but I guarantee they're talking about it.
I noticed many top contributers with the largest folios remains opted in,may be they are waiting for the deadline????
Big players not opting-out?? Hmm?! Worth investigating why?!
I opted out and then coincidentally had my best day in the past 3 months but for the most part it made little to no difference in my daily totals
Update, just sold an image. :D
I opted out and then coincidentally had my best day in the past 3 months
0.30 cents will not save us, standing strong will..
It is a shame, because StockXpert was one of my favourites.. I loved it a lot.. But what is the point in loving them if they don't love me back?!
I said goodbye to StockXpert on Sunday... no regrets at all... And if you take the time to read the fine print of their EULA you will find loopholes they can use to circumvent the opt out thing... It is beginning to be discussed at yahoo groups. So, they think they are smarter, but the crowd has a brighter mind!
And if you take the time to read the fine print of their EULA you will find loopholes they can use to circumvent the opt out thing...
tick the box and I can sell subscription on StockXpert but I also automatically sell on
photos.com where the basic licence is an EL but there is a possibility of a large or xxl sale and
jupiter unlimited which is also an el sale (and is a collection that high res subscription is $10000 year)
and regardless of which of the 3 I get the sale on I get $0.30 ???
Don't let sell your photos for nothing.
In the next step your photos will be the property of Jupiter Image with no possibility to op "out".
Don't forget the way they tried to impose their "deal" : the lack of information and the holidays time, when almost of the contributors are in vacation. (and with a very short reply time)
How can you still be confident with this company ???
There is also the obvious risk that if we go along with this, the other sites might have to scrap EL's to keep their customers.
Buyers can buy an equivalent of an EL for 30 cents and if they need XL or XLL, they are on StockXpert for a fraction of the price. I don't see why anyone would now pay the full price on photos.com.
I agree, major players who have not opted out have not yet done so because they are unaware of what is being pulled with this EULA at Photos.com. I have no doubt that there is not a pro level contributor out there that could possibly be in agreement with the subscription terms in the EULA of Photos.com
Ironarrow,
Why go to court? Simply opt-out. Unfortunately terms may change (they all say that), and apparently it is legal to do that.
Regards,
Adelaide
FT give me 0,31 cr for a sub (L Size). I translate this credit in Euros : 0,31 * 0,83 = 0,2573 euros.
StockXpert give me 0,30 $ for a sub. I translate in Euros : 0,30 / 1.54 = 0,1948 euros.
With FT I "win" 0,2573 euros for an L size and with StockXpert at any size 0,1948 euro.I agree with the first part (in your case, with the European FT), but you can simply opt-out as I did, and not only you won't make your photos available so cheaply, but also you don't have to sell them at Photos.com.
And now we must give our ELs for this price
I agree, major players who have not opted out have not yet done so because they are unaware of what is being pulled with this EULA at Photos.com. I have no doubt that there is not a pro level contributor out there that could possibly be in agreement with the subscription terms in the EULA of Photos.com
Looks like the #2 StockXpert contributor, Monica, also pulled out from subs. She has a great portfolio with more than 12000 images...
Surprisingly Andres, MaxFx, IOFoto and Yuri are still opted in.
Well it is starting to look like StockXpert and JI are done with the discussion. I am betting they move forward withoput changing the EULA to a more favorable alternative for the contributor
With FT I "win" 0,2573 euros for an L size and with StockXpert at any size 0,1948 euro.I agree with the first part (in your case, with the European FT), but you can simply opt-out as I did, and not only you won't make your photos available so cheaply, but also you don't have to sell them at Photos.com.
And now we must give our ELs for this price
Whjat a storm in a tea-cup. Would u lot ever quieten down ur like a bunch of old whining women goin on about a few cents. teh reason why the biggies are not making so much noise is there not intrested in any moral victory. ELs dont account for much on StockXpert or anyplace else and its unlikely they will in the future.
Whjat a storm in a tea-cup. Would u lot ever quieten down ur like a bunch of old whining women goin on about a few cents. teh reason why the biggies are not making so much noise is there not intrested in any moral victory. ELs dont account for much on StockXpert or anyplace else and its unlikely they will in the future.
Whjat a storm in a tea-cup. Would u lot ever quieten down ur like a bunch of old whining women goin on about a few cents. teh reason why the biggies are not making so much noise is there not intrested in any moral victory. ELs dont account for much on StockXpert or anyplace else and its unlikely they will in the future.
Whjat a storm in a tea-cup. Would u lot ever quieten down ur like a bunch of old whining women goin on about a few cents. teh reason why the biggies are not making so much noise is there not intrested in any moral victory. ELs dont account for much on StockXpert or anyplace else and its unlikely they will in the future.
Repeat after me ... "I will not feed the trolls. I will not..."
Whjat a storm in a tea-cup. Would u lot ever quieten down ur like a bunch of old whining women goin on about a few cents. teh reason why the biggies are not making so much noise is there not intrested in any moral victory. ELs dont account for much on StockXpert or anyplace else and its unlikely they will in the future.
People seem to forgot that the biggies are the most vulnerable. With the exception of Iofoto all totally rely on their MS-income they don't play any significant role in macrostock or assignments and even iofoto confessed recently that he had a big turndown in his assignments. They are slaves to the system and have no choice than to say yes to any change they are just toys for the agencies!
Though i'm a professional photographer i don't rely on my MS-income and i'm very happy about it!
I feel bad with StockXpert since several months and now, I know why...
I am very sorry for StockXpert , because I thought that this site could become one of best.
People seem to forgot that the biggies are the most vulnerable. With the exception of Iofoto all totally rely on their MS-income they don't play any significant role in macrostock or assignments and even iofoto confessed recently that he had a big turndown in his assignments. They are slaves to the system and have no choice than to say yes to any change they are just toys for the agencies!
Though i'm a professional photographer i don't rely on my MS-income and i'm very happy about it!
WOW seems I tuched a raw serve wit some of u serial whingers!!! phtoshow u dont know wat i know bout this bizness n im not gettin into no name calling wit u r ironarrow either but list3ning to yall banging on like sum skoolkid whos had his popsicle taken away makes me wunder u pepole got nothin better to be doin iwth ur lives.
WOW seems I tuched a raw serve wit some of u serial whingers!!! phtoshow u dont know wat i know bout this bizness n im not gettin into no name calling wit u r ironarrow either but list3ning to yall banging on like sum skoolkid whos had his popsicle taken away makes me wunder u pepole got nothin better to be doin iwth ur lives.
Dang I feel like I am talking to Miz!
WOW seems I tuched a raw serve wit some of u serial whingers!!! phtoshow u dont know wat i know bout this bizness n im not gettin into no name calling wit u r ironarrow either but list3ning to yall banging on like sum skoolkid whos had his popsicle taken away makes me wunder u pepole got nothin better to be doin iwth ur lives.
Dang I feel like I am talking to Miz!
I think editorial aka contakt aka bettyboop is more like it. .... banned once again.
I think editorial aka contakt aka bettyboop is more like it. .... banned once again.
WOW seems I tuched a raw serve wit some of u serial whingers!!! phtoshow u dont know wat i know bout this bizness n im not gettin into no name calling wit u r ironarrow either but list3ning to yall banging on like sum skoolkid whos had his popsicle taken away makes me wunder u pepole got nothin better to be doin iwth ur lives.
Dang I feel like I am talking to Miz!
I think editorial aka contakt aka bettyboop is more like it. .... banned once again.
I turned off subs as soon as they offered an opt out but I see some of the big portfolios are still opted in. It would of been nice to know what iophoto, andesr and yuri think of this. They have all posted here at times but perhaps they are all busy.
Images are up there but I'd suggest those of you with images there check your search placement - a couple of checks that I did had the StockXpert images way, waaaay at the back of the bus. Things on page 1 of search results at StockXpert on page 16 at Photos.com plus, for example.
I managed to find a few of mine... it looks like the database is getting there.
How are we going to see the photos.com sales reported on stockxpert? Are they going to be reported as a 'Stockxpert subscription' or something else??
perhaps Steve-0 has input on this??
Anyone had a sale through photos.com yet? I hope there are enough buyers still there to make this venture worthwhile.
Anyone had a sale through photos.com yet? I hope there are enough buyers still there to make this venture worthwhile.
We've been looking at the Compete/Alexa numbers with respect to iStock. If you do the same for Stockxpert and Photos.com, you will find that Stockxpert gets much more traffic than Photos.com.
In July, StockXpert had 93,000 unique visitors while Photos.com had only 58,000. By comparison, Dreamstime alone had 344,000.
Based on these numbers, the maximum amount of sales we could expect from Photos.com initially would be 1/3 that of our regular StockXpert sales. In addition, not every Photos.com subscriber is going to be a Plus subscriber, so that cuts into it significantly more. I'm going to guess 1 out of every 10 sales will come from Photos.com. If they can grow the traffic there, then it could become a significant increase for us.
I would imagine that the photos.com domain would be able to get them lots of new customers without doing much marketing at all. And now that they don't offer a crappy product like before, maybe more of those customers will actually sign up with them. Whether that is good for us or not... I'll let you decide.
No Photos.com sales for me yet - that I know of.
How can you tell them from StockXpert sub sales? Is there a different line for them in the account/balance area?
We've been looking at the Compete/Alexa numbers with respect to iStock. If you do the same for Stockxpert and Photos.com, you will find that Stockxpert gets much more traffic than Photos.com.
In July, StockXpert had 93,000 unique visitors while Photos.com had only 58,000. By comparison, Dreamstime alone had 344,000.
Based on these numbers, the maximum amount of sales we could expect from Photos.com initially would be 1/3 that of our regular StockXpert sales. In addition, not every Photos.com subscriber is going to be a Plus subscriber, so that cuts into it significantly more. I'm going to guess 1 out of every 10 sales will come from Photos.com. If they can grow the traffic there, then it could become a significant increase for us.
No Photos.com sales for me yet - that I know of.
How can you tell them from StockXpert sub sales? Is there a different line for them in the account/balance area?
a third line will appear on your monthly stats that says photos.com.
Nothing yet, but very high hopes. What I really want to hear is that someone had a PPD sale through Photos.com. ;)
Nothing yet, but very high hopes. What I really want to hear is that someone had a PPD sale through Photos.com. ;)
I found about 50% of my 8MP images NOT available as PPD and EL on photos.com, even though their longest size is 3504 pixels.
This is also really bad because the largest size (XL - 8MP) is available for SUB !!
I think you guys should check your portfolio too...
If that does not get fixed soon I'll pull out from photos.com.
Some examples:
[url]http://www.photos.com/en/search/close-up?oid=9335124&hoid=e0510cd199898572784a99e726f84f7f&eqvc=1031190&vidx=0[/url] ([url]http://www.photos.com/en/search/close-up?oid=9335124&hoid=e0510cd199898572784a99e726f84f7f&eqvc=1031190&vidx=0[/url])
[url]http://www.photos.com/en/search/close-up?oid=9334851&hoid=31d39236e162930282e2c03571d7f13a&eqvc=554264&vidx=0[/url] ([url]http://www.photos.com/en/search/close-up?oid=9334851&hoid=31d39236e162930282e2c03571d7f13a&eqvc=554264&vidx=0[/url])
[url]http://www.photos.com/en/search/close-up?oid=9335215&hoid=e59539dd89fd610d57c9a2c5f4c37f2d&eqvc=1031221&vidx=0[/url] ([url]http://www.photos.com/en/search/close-up?oid=9335215&hoid=e59539dd89fd610d57c9a2c5f4c37f2d&eqvc=1031221&vidx=0[/url])
[url]http://www.photos.com/en/search/close-up?oid=9335216&hoid=3238c70f1e0a2bfcf857cc0ea9c42507&eqvc=1031222&vidx=0[/url] ([url]http://www.photos.com/en/search/close-up?oid=9335216&hoid=3238c70f1e0a2bfcf857cc0ea9c42507&eqvc=1031222&vidx=0[/url])
[url]http://www.photos.com/en/search/close-up?oid=9334840&hoid=539ae4e3196d6be712ffeb735adc0fb3&eqvc=554253&vidx=0[/url] ([url]http://www.photos.com/en/search/close-up?oid=9334840&hoid=539ae4e3196d6be712ffeb735adc0fb3&eqvc=554253&vidx=0[/url])
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I have found several of mine on photos.com, but their search engine is really strange (as is bad). For example, I have a silly image of a purple hair scrunchy (which I did not find on photos.com). I did a search for scrunchy and found about 20 results. When I narrowed the search by adding hair scrunchy, it went up to several thousands because it added ALL hair images. When I then tried to search for purple hair scrunchy, it added ALL purple images to the mix, increasing the number of images even more ::)
Wow, I'd never thought I would see the day when my own images were available for sale on photos.com
This is huge. I've only made a few sales so far this month, but for those of you that don't know how bigtime photos.com is...it's a widely know subscription site in the graphic design world, ad it's been around forever.
Yes, excellent reuptation. Everyone knows about it.
I just had my first couple of photos.com sales. Hope to see a lot more!Just curious on how much did you get... Do it was subscription or PPD?
I just had my first couple of photos.com sales. Hope to see a lot more!Just curious on how much did you get... Do it was subscription or PPD?
I just had my first couple of photos.com sales. Hope to see a lot more!Just curious on how much did you get... Do it was subscription or PPD?
Yes, unfortunately just subs so far at photos.com. I've made a grand total of .60 ;)
Definitely going to need to see good volume to make it worthwhile...
Is StockXpert low earnings company or what!?
My StockXpert are way down this month. Do you guys have no views as well on your recent uploads, looks like a lot of people have this problem at the moment..
L
Hi digiology,
Thans for bringing this to our attention. That image should be a Super PPD and be available as an EL. We are aware that a few images have been miscategorized and we are working to correct this.
In the meantime, if that images receives any downloads at that size on Photos.com, please let me know.
Thanks!
-Steve
My StockXpert are way down this month. Do you guys have no views as well on your recent uploads, looks like a lot of people have this problem at the moment..
L
QuoteMy StockXpert are way down this month. Do you guys have no views as well on your recent uploads, looks like a lot of people have this problem at the moment..
L
StockXpert is dead in the water in August. Zero views on photos uploaded weeks ago. Sad, because I had high hopes. Maybe it will improve in the next few months?
I feel a LOT better now knowing that I'm only 60 cents behind Lisa!!
Perhaps I'm just lucky but StockXpert has been doing quite well for me including an EL this month :)
Hi digiology,
Thans for bringing this to our attention. That image should be a Super PPD and be available as an EL. We are aware that a few images have been miscategorized and we are working to correct this.
In the meantime, if that images receives any downloads at that size on Photos.com, please let me know.
Thanks!
-Steve
I just found out that photos.com shows mostly the oldest uploaded stuff from StockXpert.
Come on you programmer guys, I'm missing out on sales! :P
I'm up to 3, I rock!!! ;D ;D ;D
WOOHOOO!Wow congrats man, what are you going to do with all that money? ;D
My first 30 cents...
WOOHOOO!Wow congrats man, what are you going to do with all that money? ;D
My first 30 cents...
don't spend it.... the new canon 5D will be here any day!
WOOHOOO!Wow congrats man, what are you going to do with all that money? ;D
My first 30 cents...
Just had a sub sale---for a Large image. Probably should have been PPD... >:(
On August 20th, Stockxpert joined forces with Jupiterimages' pioneer subscription service Photos.com to help create Photos.com Plus (Photos.com+). This was the first subscription service anywhere to combine microstock content with traditional royalty-free photos. While Photos.com+ has only been running about 2 weeks, we have noticed some early positive signs for the contributors who are opted-in to subscriptions and extended licenses. Initially, it looks like StockXpert content is accounting for over half of all Photos.com+ downloads, which will quickly result in increased contributor earnings. We will be communicating more details about Photos.com+ earnings in the coming weeks.
With the positive direction of Photos.com+, we are excited to announce that Jupiterimages Unlimited Plus (JIU+) launched yesterday, September 3rd. Like Photos.com+, JIU+ combines microstock and traditional royalty-free images into a single subscription service. JIU+ follows the same subscription royalty model as StockXpert. For more information on the JIU+ offering, please visit [url]http://www.stockxpert.com/lpages/contributor[/url]
We look forward to watching how these two new opportunities perform for contributors over the next few months, and will communicate more details on the progress for both Photos.com+ and JIU+ earnings in the coming weeks.
Remember, you must be opted-in to both Extended License and Subscriptions at Stockxpert.com to have your images included on the Photos.com+ and JIU+ offerings. These options are selected at the application process and can be maintained at My Account/Profile.
We will continually look for ways to create more value for our subscribers that can result in new revenue for our contributors. Thank you again for your continued patience, support, and feedback. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact us at [email protected].
Best regards,
The Stockxpert Team
I've got several StockXpert images that are not on either site.Same thing here. On 5 images 3 are on Photos.com. At Jupiter, I searched for "isolated sign" and got 10 pages of results. I didn't found the correct way to make the search I think
Same thing here.
Same thing here.
It seems like the photos that made it to photos.com are also on JIU+. Is that site completely sub, or do they have PPD?
Same thing here.
It seems like the photos that made it to photos.com are also on JIU+. Is that site completely sub, or do they have PPD?
They have another HUGE bug: all sizes including XL and XXL are available in the subscription program, so that's even worse than the Photos.com + bug.
Just to reiterate, on Photos.com, only "Super", "Ultra", and EPS sized files are sold as PPDs and ELs. An image is categorized as "Super" if its longest side has a length between 3300 and 4824 pixels. An image is categorized as "Ultra" if its longest side is longer than 4824 pixels.