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« on: February 11, 2011, 19:55 »
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Hi everyone,
 
Were excited to announce a new opportunity for Veer and our contributors that creates more visibility and sales for Veers microstock images around the world, via the new Veer Reseller API.

For years, Veer has had an established network of trusted localized resellers that market and sell our macrostock images in areas we dont sell to directly. Now weve created an API that allows us to offer Veers microstock images to our global network of resellers who want to provide lower-priced content to their customers. The API allows our resellers to easily integrate Veer microstock images into their localized websites.

The royalties youll earn for sales of your images in the Veer Reseller API are exactly the same as if youd sold the image on Veer.com (see our current rate card here:
http://contributor.veer.com/images/pdf/Veer_Contributor_Rate%20Card_%28020111%29.pdf). Its just like selling your image on Veer, except that the sale happened on a reseller website.
 
The first partner in our reseller network use the API is http://photogenica.pl/, based in Poland. Were currently exploring opportunities with our other partners, and will notify you about other partners to adopt the API in the future.

Based on our current technology, there is no opt-out feature. However, as the royalties you earn via the Veer Reseller API are exactly the same as selling your images on Veer.com, and as our reseller network increases visibility and sales opportunities for your images, this program is a great benefit to contributors.

We do apologize for not providing more advance notice that wed be implementing this program. The timing wasnt coordinated accurately on our end, and we feel bad that this caught many of you by surprise. I hope our track record with regards to communicating updates to you speaks to the fact this isnt something we make a habit of. :)

As always, questions, feedback, and discussion are welcome.
 
Cheers,
 
Chelsey

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Chelsey Schaffel
Manager, Veer Creative Content

http://www.veer.com
 


« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2011, 20:07 »
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Well, thats disappointing. So far i've ditched all sites that didnt let me opt-out of partner programs :(
For me its about wanting complete control over my pictures and where and how and under what terms they are sold.
The royalties might be the same as with Veer, but what are they charging in the first place? Who says, eventhough the royalties are the same our cut isnt smaller? And does this partner site have other partners? Wouldnt be the first time a partner migrates our pictures to yet another one of THEIR partners leaving us clueless about where our pictures end up etc.
I do understand the potential of partner programs and how it allows Veer (and thus us  as contributors) to tap different market segments, but i'm really fed up with partner programs, untransparency and the shennanigans they bring along.
An opt-out...please?
« Last Edit: February 12, 2011, 00:46 by Artemis »

« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2011, 21:50 »
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I just have a request...

The images in that portal appeared with the copyright next to my real name.

However at Veer and other microstock sites I use a pseudonym / alias....so I'd like the copyright to my "alias'.

Monica

« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2011, 05:24 »
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I just have a request...

The images in that portal appeared with the copyright next to my real name.

However at Veer and other microstock sites I use a pseudonym / alias....so I'd like the copyright to my "alias'.

Monica

how do you do that? I thought we were stuck at real names.

wow photogenica has a shocking search engine, try green tree frog or outer space  (you need hit english), if I was a customer it would be closed very quick.

Chelsey, do you if being able to redo keywords is on the future agenda for veer? (I have 1000-2000 almost dead images from snapvillage days, not sure whether to delete and reupload)

« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2011, 07:38 »
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Well, thats disappointing. So far i've ditched all sites that didnt let me opt-out of partner programs :(
For me its about wanting complete control over my pictures and where and how and under what terms they are sold.
The royalties might be the same as with Veer, but what are they charging in the first place? Who says, eventhough the royalties are the same our cut isnt smaller? And does this partner site have other partners? Wouldnt be the first time a partner migrates our pictures to yet another one of THEIR partners leaving us clueless about where our pictures end up etc.
I do understand the potential of partner programs and how it allows Veer (and thus us  as contributors) to tap different market segments, but i'm really fed up with partner programs, untransparency and the shennanigans they bring along.
An opt-out...please?

Ditto here. The problem is we don't get to actually SEE exactly what the images are selling for and the partner royalties AREN'T separated out. There are too many shenigans that can happen and have been going on and I prefer just to opt out.

If you are willing to separate out the royalties that we make from partners and show us EXACTLY what we made from them, I'm ok with the partner program concept. If you are not willing to do that, I may consider not selling on Veer. Contributors should have the right to decide where there images go.

« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2011, 17:59 »
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I just have a request...

The images in that portal appeared with the copyright next to my real name.

However at Veer and other microstock sites I use a pseudonym / alias....so I'd like the copyright to my "alias'.

Monica

how do you do that? I thought we were stuck at real names.

wow photogenica has a shocking search engine, try green tree frog or outer space  (you need hit english), if I was a customer it would be closed very quick.

Chelsey, do you if being able to redo keywords is on the future agenda for veer? (I have 1000-2000 almost dead images from snapvillage days, not sure whether to delete and reupload)

OMG yes this is long overdue, every site lets us edit keywords, All my snapvillage content is totally dead too as the keywords and desriptions have been dropped or severely messed up.  I was told the issue would automatically be corrected a year ago and it never has, can we please at least have the ability to correct bad or missing keywords please. And Since we just experienced massive copyright infringement at another site through partners re-distributing images without copyright info, you can not expect us to just trust you. There is no need for the word trust in business all that needs to happen is full transparency of how much images sell for and how much we get and the option to opt out of those programs in the event they turn out to be fraudulent like they have so many times in the past.

« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2011, 18:16 »
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Are licensing terms the same for partner sites?

« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2011, 19:05 »
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I see they are offering EPS files for 99 zlotys which translates into approx. 34 dollars.
That's the same amount you're selling them for at Veer, unless you buy with credits that is (24 = $34)

But what about the extended licenses that sells for 159, 239 and 299 zl ?
Their most expensive EL is around $103 - yours at Veer is about $186
Their cheapest EL is around $34 - yours at Veer is about $77.

So, my question is, what does an EL sold at Photogenica net me ? How is my royalty calculated, a certain percentage of that EL sale ?

Do we earn $17,5 - $35 and $43,75 on these partner ELs as stated in the Veer Contributor Rate Card, as if they were sold at Veer ?

Because $7 would be unacceptable in case an EL is sold

lagereek

« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2011, 13:48 »
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Well, no matter how many partner-programs,  our files will have to be reviewed/edited, just a little bit faster then now. At this moment I will be 7 foot under before building a reasonable port.

Perhaps employing a fellow worker??

« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2011, 19:12 »
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Hi everyone,

Appreciate the feedback (positive and negative) and dialogue. Ill answer as many questions as I can now, and provide further information as it becomes available to me, if there are still outstanding inquiries.

Ill try to respond to everything in one post, so as not to clutter the thread too much.

Why is my real name showing on a partner site, if I use an alias on Veer?
This may be a bug, and our developers are investigating. If you use an alias on Veer, the intention is for that to be mirrored on partner sites.

Phil to show an alias instead of your full name, click Edit in the Contact Information area of your Veer Member Page (right-hand side of the page). There are fields there to enter an alias and, if you wish, a custom URL.

Do the partner sites resell to other partners?
No. Your images will only be sold through the companies weve partnered with directly. We know that trust us can be a dangerous phrase and may be asking a lot given that some of you have had negative experiences with this kind of thing in the past, and thats understandable. We hope that some reassurance will come from the fact that, as I mentioned previously, the sites were working with are partners with whom weve had established relationships on the traditional side of the business for many years, and we see this as a way for you to increase your exposure and revenue.

How will the royalties/sales appear on my dashboard?
Sales acquired through the API will be processed and shown once a month, at months end. Sales will look the same as your regular Veer sales; they will not be broken out as API sales. Were able to track this information in our own database, and will be working with the developers attempt to add more details to your own dashboard. We know this is an important issue for you.

What does an EL sale through Photogenica net the contributor?
Thomas, the simple answer to your question is, yesyou earn the amount listed on the contributor rate card, as if the image was sold at Veer. For example, even if the price of a multi-user EL is lower on a partners site than on Veer, you still earn $17.50the royalty indicated on the Veer rate card.

Are licensing terms the same for partner sites?
Yes.

Which partner sites are we working with?
The API is currently only live on Photogenica. Well update you as more partners sign on.

Is the ability to edit keywords post-publish on the agenda for Veer? 
This is definitely still on our radar. Its something we discuss often, but is a more complicated business decision than is likely apparent from the outside. We do consider cleaning up old SnapVillage keywords a particularly high priority, and are aiming to focus on those specifically in the coming months. We want to make sure your images are searchable, and dont want to place the clean-up burden on you since the errors that were created as a result of the transfer were out of your control.

Regarding having an opt-out optionyour feedback on the matter is valuable, and we will still look at this as a future possibility.

Im happy to answer further questions. Thanks again for your feedback.

Cheers,

Chelsey

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Chelsey Schaffel
Manager, Veer Creative Content

http://www.veer.com

« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2011, 21:11 »
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ah well, good to hear an opt-out will at least be considered i guess...
« Last Edit: February 15, 2011, 04:07 by Artemis »

« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2011, 03:56 »
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Thanks Chelsey :)

« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2011, 04:14 »
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Thanks for answering all the questions Chelsey and also thanks for making an announcement about the partnership.  I agree with those who say it would be great to have an opt out button (although I am happy to be opted in) it is nice to have the option.

I am also glad to hear that the partners can not further distribute to other partners.  Things start getting very crazy and uncontrolled from the photographers view point when partners redistribute to other partners who perhaps redistribute it again.  I can't help but wonder if the earnings ever return to the photographer in such a case.

« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2011, 08:00 »
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I think agencies start out with great intentions as far as partnering up with APIs, but the problem is that there is not follow-through. Once the connection is made, it seems as though there is no check system to monitor the partner and make sure things are progressing as per the agreements. And if an opt-out button is provided to contributors and contributors DO choose to opt out, it doesn't seem as though that decision reaches the partners. I still have images showing on a partner site from an agency where I checked the opt-out button at LEAST three months ago. That's not right.

I do hope you can overcome these partnering obstacles and make it a worthwhile venture for all of us. And hopefully your transparency is indeed transparent, and not just faux transparent.  :)

« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2011, 08:09 »
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Thanks for the clarity Chelsey

« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2011, 17:11 »
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Is the ability to edit keywords post-publish on the agenda for Veer? 
This is definitely still on our radar. Its something we discuss often, but is a more complicated business decision than is likely apparent from the outside. We do consider cleaning up old SnapVillage keywords a particularly high priority, and are aiming to focus on those specifically in the coming months. We want to make sure your images are searchable, and dont want to place the clean-up burden on you since the errors that were created as a result of the transfer were out of your control.


Thanks for responding, but it appears those making decisions at Veer are a little out of touch with what has now become industry standard for every other microstock site, it is not a "complicated business decision" to allow editing of bad keywords for any other site. Of the 12 stock sites I submit to, veer is the only site that doesn't allow submitters to correct keywords, it is really nice from the sites perspective and the contributors perspective to be able to go back and add or change keywords from the early days.  Many new stock submitters learn how to better keyword over time and often go back to old images and update with more accurate keywords in turn making the searches much more accurate for buyers.  It is also industry standard to be able to opt out of parter sites, it is also industry standard to see your partner sales labeled as such.  While I usually enjoy other opportunities to sell through partners, I hope you can understand some people's skepticism when you are not willing to be transparent about partner sales when other sites do this as normal practice, I hope these items will be taken seriously by veer as they have already been taken seriously by your competition. I do appreciate that veer is actively participating in the forums that means more to me than anything.  That is a point which other sites could learn from.

lisafx

« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2011, 17:14 »
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Thanks Chelsey.  :)

With some luck then, we might hope to see a bunch of sales come through at the end of the month, and we could make an educated guess that those were partner sales?

« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2011, 09:53 »
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Hi Chelsey,
Need some explanation here, if you go to photogenica.pl website and type
##masterpiece, you will see those images belong to me and they are all
from my 123rf Portfolio.

For your information, I DO NOT have any account with Veer and how come
all my images in 123rf portfolio can land into photogenica.pl ?

Your urgent reply is very much appreciated.

Regards
masterpiece

« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2011, 10:03 »
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Hi Chelsey,
Need some explanation here, if you go to photogenica.pl website and type
##masterpiece, you will see those images belong to me and they are all
from my 123rf Portfolio.

For your information, I DO NOT have any account with Veer and how come
all my images in 123rf portfolio can land into photogenica.pl ?

Your urgent reply is very much appreciated.

Regards
masterpiece

Maybe 123rf is a partner with photogenica too? You might query 123rf support about that. Most sites now are jumping on the partner/API bandwagon.

« Last Edit: February 16, 2011, 20:36 by Chelsey Schaffel »

« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2011, 02:39 »
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not wanting to "veer" off topic here but any chance of getting images reviewed in the near future.  I currently have 100 ready for review and about 500 waiting their turn as you allow them to be submitted.  I have great hopes for Veer but no hope without my images being seen by buyers


« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2011, 15:14 »
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My images are on snapfish, but the copyright is given to snapfish, I am not being shown as the copyright holder. Is there something I'm missing here?

2210476.jpg
Snapfish
Newborn Whitetail Deer Fawn
Image ID: 580209

This is one of my images. Can someone clarify whats going on?

« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2011, 15:25 »
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My images are on snapfish, but the copyright is given to snapfish, I am not being shown as the copyright holder. Is there something I'm missing here?

2210476.jpg
Snapfish
Newborn Whitetail Deer Fawn
Image ID: 580209

This is one of my images. Can someone clarify whats going on?

Hi brm1949,

Thanks for the question. I'll look into this for you and let you know what I find out.

Chelsey

« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2011, 15:40 »
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I can find my pictures on snapfish, but it only shows 315 of them while I have many more on Veer. Where are they lost?


 

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