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SpaceStockFootage

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« on: May 02, 2016, 01:52 »
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Here's an announcement made today by Envato. Something I've wanted for years....

Im pleased to announce that over the next few weeks we will be rolling out a new upload tool for our VideoHive footage and motion graphics authors. We hope this new upload page makes it much easier to upload and submit your clips to VideoHive. Well be launching the page to more and more authors over the coming weeks, so if you see the following message next time you visit the VideoHive upload page, youll know that you have been granted access to this great new tool.



Heres a list of some of the exciting new features that should make it easier for footage and motion graphics authors to upload their new items

Previews & Thumbnails Auto-generated
No more need to upload separate thumbnails and preview videos! The new upload process will generate these files from your uploaded video. You no longer need to create a ZIP file for your item - simply upload your clip as an MOV or MP4 file and well take care of the rest! Well auto-detect some of the technical metadata such as duration & resolution and will also generate a watermarked preview video.

Upload from Dropbox
As well as uploading files from your browser using new drag and drop upload, you can upload your items directly from your Dropbox account. And of course you can still upload using FTP!

Prepare and Submit Multiple Items
You no longer need to submit files one by one. You can upload as many files as you like, prepare the tags and descriptions for all of your files and then send your files to the review process with a single submission.


« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2016, 02:13 »
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Now they could get swamped with clips any nobody will make much money because of the very low prices.  I would of thought this would be bad news for anyone that already has their portfolio there?  Bad news for the rest of us that sell at higher prices as well, I don't really want video to sell for such tiny amounts because uploading 4k is very time consuming.

If they somehow buck the trend and maintain sales volume while being swamped by new clips, I might have no choice but to submit to them at some point but I hope that doesn't happen.

SpaceStockFootage

  • Space, Sci-Fi and Astronomy Related Stock Footage

« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2016, 02:33 »
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Don't forget they'll be bringing in self pricing soon, so you can price your clips at whatever you want. And at only around 250,000 clips currently, even if they get ten times that submitted overnight, they've still only got half as much as P5. I guess time will tell whether all this is good for existing providers/potential new providers etc.   

« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2016, 03:09 »
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Self pricing would be good, now they just need to match the P5 50% and declare themselves an agency and I will start uploading :)

SpaceStockFootage

  • Space, Sci-Fi and Astronomy Related Stock Footage

« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2016, 03:21 »
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And editorial would be nice!

« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2016, 03:26 »
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Self pricing would be good, now they just need to match the P5 50% and declare themselves an agency and I will start uploading :)

I agree, prices there are too low. I don't hope they are going to grow with this dumping attitude.
For example the work of SpaceStockFootage worth much more than those prices they sell it.
Customer would by it anyway if it costedt 5 or 6 times more.
in my opinion Videohive, for the moment, is a tramp

SpaceStockFootage

  • Space, Sci-Fi and Astronomy Related Stock Footage

« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2016, 03:46 »
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For example the work of SpaceStockFootage worth much more than those prices they sell it.
Customer would by it anyway if it costedt 5 or 6 times more.

I'll take that as a compliment, thanks! People do buy it at 5 to 6 and sometimes ten times more... but at the moment, the sales I get from VideoHive outweigh the sales I get elsewhere, even at the greatly reduced prices. I've been on VH for about six years, but have only been properly focusing on stock for the last two years. There and at Pond5. In the last six months, I started trying SS, iS, VB, FT etc. Sales there are increasing gradually, so hopefully some time later this year or the next... my sales from other sites will be on a par with Envato. Time will tell.

Six months ago I was making about $100 a month from non-Envato sites. Last month I made $700 from non-Envato sites, so I'm getting there.   

« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2016, 04:49 »
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For example the work of SpaceStockFootage worth much more than those prices they sell it.
Customer would by it anyway if it costedt 5 or 6 times more.

I'll take that as a compliment, thanks! People do buy it at 5 to 6 and sometimes ten times more... but at the moment, the sales I get from VideoHive outweigh the sales I get elsewhere, even at the greatly reduced prices. I've been on VH for about six years, but have only been properly focusing on stock for the last two years. There and at Pond5. In the last six months, I started trying SS, iS, VB, FT etc. Sales there are increasing gradually, so hopefully some time later this year or the next... my sales from other sites will be on a par with Envato. Time will tell.

Six months ago I was making about $100 a month from non-Envato sites. Last month I made $700 from non-Envato sites, so I'm getting there.

Exactly, that's the way!
Your work is good!
In my opinion you should avoid t be competitor with yourself, stop selling low price!

SpaceStockFootage

  • Space, Sci-Fi and Astronomy Related Stock Footage

« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2016, 05:27 »
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I agree with you to an extent. i think my sales would go up slightly if I removed all my stuff from VideoHive. However, I do think on the whole, there's a very different customer base at VideoHive than there is at the $50/$79/$99 type places. There will be some crossover, but I'd lose a lot of money if I pulled all my stuff from VideoHive. I'm keeping stats though, reviewing things constantly, and will see how it goes. 

« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2016, 10:16 »
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That is great news!

😃

But now someone pointed out that there is a vat problem if you are a European contributor? Is that true?

That the sale is directly between me and the customer, not envato as an agency, and that means I have to check every sale for vat issues.

Anybody here know more about this?

« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2016, 13:15 »
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That is great news!

😃

But now someone pointed out that there is a vat problem if you are a European contributor? Is that true?

That the sale is directly between me and the customer, not envato as an agency, and that means I have to check every sale for vat issues.

Anybody here know more about this?


This thread regarding Evanto tax reporting is worth considering before uploading:

http://www.microstockgroup.com/photodune/were-expanding-to-america-important-tax-and-withdrawal-changes-for-all-authors/25/

stockVid

« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2016, 13:18 »
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When is self pricing due to happen. Did they say?

« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2016, 13:54 »
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That is great news!

😃

But now someone pointed out that there is a vat problem if you are a European contributor? Is that true?

That the sale is directly between me and the customer, not envato as an agency, and that means I have to check every sale for vat issues.

Anybody here know more about this?
There was some info on the HMRC website that made me think it might be OK but I prefer to be 100% sure when it comes to tax and I would find it hard to support a site that has deliberately made things complicated for contributors.

SpaceStockFootage

  • Space, Sci-Fi and Astronomy Related Stock Footage

« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2016, 15:44 »
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If I'm not mistaken, they're one of the few sites that are doing VAT right. The rules are basically that if you sell stock directly to people, then you have to charge and remit VAT. If you're selling stock through a third-party site that handles all the payments, billing and marketing etc... then they should be the ones charging and remitting VAt. Which they are. 

SpaceStockFootage

  • Space, Sci-Fi and Astronomy Related Stock Footage

« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2016, 15:50 »
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I think the confusion lies in the fact that Envato have made it clear that we're the seller, and they're not the seller. As a result, people are thinking that they're responsible for charging VAT. The thing is, whatever reason they have for saying that we're the sellers, it probably has nothing to do with VAT as they are charging VAT. If they didn't want to charge VAT, or didn't have to, then they probably wouldn't be.

And at the end of the day... whatever they say or don't say, is unlikely to alter their responsibilities when it comes to VAT.   

« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2016, 16:20 »
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But if their legalese says they are just collecting money on my behalf and not working as an agency licensing directly, that will be a problem for my accountant.

And it will cost me money to have him verify the vat of every transaction.

Ill have to clear that up before I upload because European VAT laws are becoming more and more complicated. Ive heard some people wouldnt license to anyone who doesnt provide a Europran VAT number.

When they have the new upload system, Ill try to follow up on the details.

My accountant insists on reading the contract of every agency I submit to. It costs money, but is still cheaper than dealing with a tax problem later.

SpaceStockFootage

  • Space, Sci-Fi and Astronomy Related Stock Footage

« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2016, 17:55 »
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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2016, 08:08 »
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Until they become an agency or a real marketplace and change their pricing forget it.  The argument that they "target a different market" is hogwash.  Lowball pricing is lowball pricing. It has an effect holistically if they gain share. Why? They are taking business from other agencies. So until other key business strategies change, upload ease doesn't do anything for me at least.

Tror

« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2016, 10:05 »
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Exciting??????

These Guys do so much damage to us Contributors by extremely shady accountancy / tax "strategies" which creates so much legal trouble for many of us, harm the whole market by putting a extremely damaging pricing structure into effect (yeahyeah, maybe you are soon able to set your own prices, but the there is already so much harm done, also to the self-valuation of artists), etc. that the only exciting news from Envato / Videohive would be that they get shutdown or have to seize operations or are in serious trouble with the IRS.

They do not deserve my personal Respect and I have serious trouble understanding any Artist or Content producer who works with them. Period.
 

stockVid

« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2016, 10:20 »
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As long as they set the price I can not see how Videohive can legally say we are the seller.

I'm looking for a Pond5 replacement but until Videohive has a better upload system and allows contributors to set the price I'm staying away.

SpaceStockFootage

  • Space, Sci-Fi and Astronomy Related Stock Footage

« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2016, 10:30 »
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Until they become an agency or a real marketplace and change their pricing forget it.  The argument that they "target a different market" is hogwash.  Lowball pricing is lowball pricing. It has an effect holistically if they gain share. Why? They are taking business from other agencies. So until other key business strategies change, upload ease doesn't do anything for me at least.

Lowball pricing can be lowball pricing AND they can target a different market. They're not mutually exclusive!

« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2016, 13:33 »
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"Target a different market" sounds nice in theory, but when you sell identical digital files with the same usage rights the term becomes a bit ridiculous.

It's not like you're selling Ferraris at Pond5 for $399 and used Toyotas at Envato... You will find the exact same files. People do shop around but some just care more about time than price and will buy whatever they find (or are shown) first.

The BEST-selling footage clips only make around $92 per month at Envato, and only 2 of them... They make around $400+ per month at Pond5 with the worst on the list still making $175.

If they start doing author pricing, I will consider it.
« Last Edit: May 03, 2016, 13:43 by increasingdifficulty »

« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2016, 13:45 »
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I am sorry but I have the same files offered in one place for 600 dollars and at another for 30 cents. They both sell and I see no loss in sales if I upload to a different agency.

They all have different buyer structures, so just because soemone goes for the high volume,low price model, doesnt mean you cant make money there.

And pond5 and their 8 dollar files from the membership club are undercutting everyone, people offer the same file for 500 dollars and 8 dollars on the same site.

But if videohive allows people to set their own prices, I would prefer this.

The tax/VAT issues are a real problem, for me, not the pricing.
« Last Edit: May 03, 2016, 17:18 by cobalt »

« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2016, 13:52 »
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The tax/VAT issues are a real problem, for me, not the pricing.

You don't have to worry about VAT there. They take care of it and you never see it.

stockVid

« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2016, 13:58 »
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The tax/VAT issues are a real problem, for me, not the pricing.

You don't have to worry about VAT there. They take care of it and you never see it.

Now I'm really confused. If they are not the seller how do they 'take care of it' (VAT).


 

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