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« on: August 01, 2014, 05:48 »
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Just got an email saying

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We believe you're owed additional money based on a selection of your UK sales. There are 5 licences you can claim for.

The funds are available using the DACS payback scheme. As you're based outside the UK, you can't claim directly but the good news is that we can claim on your behalf. We'll take care of all the paperwork and make the claim for you. We expect the funds to be paid out in December but don't know the value of these yet. We'll cover our costs and then we'll split the remaining funds with you (50/50). Your Alamy account will be credited in the usual way.

If you're happy for us to claim on your behalf we need your permission. Please sign and complete this form.

Please return it to us as soon as possible - no later than Sept 1st 2014. Either email a digital copy to dacspayback@alamy.com
Remember, without this signed document we can't claim on your behalf.

Do anyone know what this is about? Anyone's familiar with the DACS payback scheme and can tell me what kind of money are we talking about?

Regards



« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2014, 06:05 »
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Do anyone know what this is about? Anyone's familiar with the DACS payback scheme and can tell me what kind of money are we talking about?


It's the first time I got it from Alamy, but I know it from a different agency. You can read about it here:

http://www.dacs.org.uk/for-artists/payback

I don't remember how much money it was (obviously not that much), but it will depend on how many licenses you sold at what price in the UK. It's additional income for licenses already sold, so why not take it?

« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2014, 06:14 »
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should be at least 25  :)

« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2014, 06:26 »
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should be at least 25  :)

Remember about 50/50 :)

« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2014, 06:50 »
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I got a similar email too but for a different number of licences. And as I am outside the UK I have to fill in the form etc.

There is a thread about this on the Alamy forum which I am going to read before I click on anything. Some say it is better to claim directly. But I expect I will have Alamy do it for me anyhow.

http://discussion.alamy.com/index.php?/topic/2767-dacs-claim/

« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2014, 07:47 »
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I got it too for 29 licenses. So I am going to do it. I don't have the time to chase this myself. Tomorrow is my first official day back shooting after almost a year off managing my mothers death and dealing through blood * lawyers via greedy family members. trust closed, I am freed up to shoot.  wooooyay.

Now, with my luck these will be 29 $1 downloads. :'(
« Last Edit: August 01, 2014, 07:49 by Mantis »

« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2014, 08:30 »
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Tomorrow is my first official day back shooting after almost a year off managing my mothers death and dealing through blood * lawyers via greedy family members. trust closed, I am freed up to shoot.

I hope you have bright days ahead!

« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2014, 08:31 »
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Does it cost me anything?

There is no cost to register with us, but we do retain a share of the royalties we collect to cover our costs. In 2007, those costs were 25%. In 2014, they represented just 18% of royalties collected on your behalf. As a not-for-profit organisation, we are always seeking ways to reduce that percentage.


http://www.dacs.org.uk/for-artists/payback/frequently-asked-questions

Does anyone knows anything about this ?

fujiko

« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2014, 08:35 »
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So, DACS collects the money and cover costs, alamy claims the money and covers costs, then we receive 50% of the rest, right?

« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2014, 08:45 »
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So, DACS collects the money and cover costs, alamy claims the money and covers costs, then we receive 50% of the rest, right?

That's how I understand it. What I don't know is whether they are going after damages for copyright violation or license violation that net us more per image......or do they just go after what the delta would have been for the purchase price.

« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2014, 09:06 »
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After the second Alamy message, I went to the DACS web site to see how to file a claim.  The problem is that you need proof of where and how your image was used.  Alamy only said how many images you could claim for, not which ones or how to find the proof.  The problem is that once DACS takes their 18% and you split the remaining part 50% with Alamy we are getting 41 cents on every dollar.  I'd rather file myself but without knowing which image is eligible and where it appeared that is near impossible - which I'm sure Alamy is well aware of.  If it was a low-value sale it's hardly worth bothering about, but if it was one for $200 then maybe.   I wish Alamy would provide us with the image info so we could do this ourselves, but it could be quite a lot of money for them over all photographers so I'm sure they would rather keep their 50%.  I don't have time to search for other uses of every image I sold on Alamy so will most likely just go through them.

« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2014, 09:21 »
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After the second Alamy message, I went to the DACS web site to see how to file a claim.  The problem is that you need proof of where and how your image was used.  Alamy only said how many images you could claim for, not which ones or how to find the proof.  The problem is that once DACS takes their 18% and you split the remaining part 50% with Alamy we are getting 41 cents on every dollar.  I'd rather file myself but without knowing which image is eligible and where it appeared that is near impossible - which I'm sure Alamy is well aware of.  If it was a low-value sale it's hardly worth bothering about, but if it was one for $200 then maybe.   I wish Alamy would provide us with the image info so we could do this ourselves, but it could be quite a lot of money for them over all photographers so I'm sure they would rather keep their 50%.  I don't have time to search for other uses of every image I sold on Alamy so will most likely just go through them.

I just emailed alamy to ask this exact question. Do they provide me with the essential details? How do I know what to input in dacs without detailed from you?

Let's see what they say.
« Last Edit: August 01, 2014, 09:23 by Mantis »

Goofy

« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2014, 09:21 »
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Here's my take- why heck doesn't Alamy do this for us! It's their company and business and take we have to do the leg work? They already take 50% from us and now this crap!

« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2014, 10:26 »
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Here's my take- why heck doesn't Alamy do this for us! It's their company and business and take we have to do the leg work? They already take 50% from us and now this crap!

Yup.   

I'm guessing the reason Alamy doesn't pursue this is that it's a lot of work for very little money.  So this DACS thing (which I don't pretend to understand) is a way of pushing that work off onto us. 

In other words it's just like microstock itself - we jump through the hoops and the middlemen end up with the money.

Or maybe I have this all wrong. But the email was pretty vague so I'm not inclined to spend any time trying to figure this out.
« Last Edit: August 01, 2014, 11:37 by stockastic »

« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2014, 15:01 »
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I got this email too and have been wondering what DACS is all about and whether there's a downside to filling the form.  Lucky I caught this thread :)

Guess the only viable option is to fill the form they sent .. and dream about forthcoming riches   ;D

« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2014, 15:10 »
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From DACS

Many thanks for getting in touch,

 

Each year we collect royalties to distribute to artists who have work published in UK books with ISBN numbers and UK magazines with ISSN/Barcode numbers and who continue to own the copyright to their works published. We collect royalties for works published up until the end of the previous year so this year works eligible for Payback must have been published before December 31st 2013. You can continue to make a claim each year for your works published in books and magazines as long as you continue to own the copyright to those images.

 

For more information about Payback, how it works and to read some answers to frequently asked questions, you can visit our website here: http://www.dacs.org.uk/for-artists/payback/in-detail.

 

With regards to making a claim, you could authorise Alamy to make a claim on your behalf but if you would instead like to make a direct claim via our website, you can reach the Payback log-in page by visiting the DACS website at http://www.dacs.org.uk/for-artists/payback and clicking Apply Now and create a new account unless you already claim Payback with DACS.

 

Before making a claim you'll just need to know how many books and magazines feature your work and how many images of yours have been included in all of these books and magazines put together. The number of works of yours which have featured in these UK publications can be identified via your Alamy statement.

 

We do also ask for ISBN numbers, titles and publication dates of three books to verify a claim for works published in books and three ISSN/Barcode numbers, titles and publication dates / issue numbers to verify a claim for magazines (fewer if you are making a claim for only one or two books or magazines).

 

However if you don't have access to this information, you can enter "Alamy Claim 2013" into the verification fields of your publication claim and forward a copy of your Alamy sales report to us at Payback@dacs.org.uk which we can use to validate your Payback claim."

End of quote  :)


You just download your sales from Alamy as a CSV file and forward it to DACS once you have registered.

That way you don't have to pay the commission to Alamy
  :)
 
« Last Edit: August 01, 2014, 15:17 by Teddy the Cat »

« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2014, 15:15 »
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Here's my take- why heck doesn't Alamy do this for us! It's their company and business and take we have to do the leg work? They already take 50% from us and now this crap!

Because DACS is nothing to do with Alamy.

Alamy are good enough to let contributors know about the scheme.

The scheme allows artists to obtain a share of an independent fund to cover secondary royalties i.e. a teacher photocopies a page in a book for a class and that page has a photo in it.





« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2014, 15:55 »
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what i understand from the letter is you can forward your sales report if you want to claim certain images. But you still need a lot of resource to support your claim.

I don't think DACS will look for those usages of your alamy sales report and made a claim for you.

it seems alamy stated of numbers of images you may be able to claim for individual contributors. But it is a little bit confusing that alamy advise us to contact with DACS which we have no information of those alamy sales (who bought it and where it is used).

a little bit confused.


From DACS

Many thanks for getting in touch,

 

Each year we collect royalties to distribute to artists who have work published in UK books with ISBN numbers and UK magazines with ISSN/Barcode numbers and who continue to own the copyright to their works published. We collect royalties for works published up until the end of the previous year so this year works eligible for Payback must have been published before December 31st 2013. You can continue to make a claim each year for your works published in books and magazines as long as you continue to own the copyright to those images.

 

For more information about Payback, how it works and to read some answers to frequently asked questions, you can visit our website here: http://www.dacs.org.uk/for-artists/payback/in-detail.

 

With regards to making a claim, you could authorise Alamy to make a claim on your behalf but if you would instead like to make a direct claim via our website, you can reach the Payback log-in page by visiting the DACS website at http://www.dacs.org.uk/for-artists/payback and clicking Apply Now and create a new account unless you already claim Payback with DACS.

 

Before making a claim you'll just need to know how many books and magazines feature your work and how many images of yours have been included in all of these books and magazines put together. The number of works of yours which have featured in these UK publications can be identified via your Alamy statement.

 

We do also ask for ISBN numbers, titles and publication dates of three books to verify a claim for works published in books and three ISSN/Barcode numbers, titles and publication dates / issue numbers to verify a claim for magazines (fewer if you are making a claim for only one or two books or magazines).

 

However if you don't have access to this information, you can enter "Alamy Claim 2013" into the verification fields of your publication claim and forward a copy of your Alamy sales report to us at Payback@dacs.org.uk which we can use to validate your Payback claim."

End of quote  :)


You just download your sales from Alamy as a CSV file and forward it to DACS once you have registered.

That way you don't have to pay the commission to Alamy
  :)

« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2014, 16:28 »
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what i understand from the letter is you can forward your sales report if you want to claim certain images. But you still need a lot of resource to support your claim.

I don't think DACS will look for those usages of your alamy sales report and made a claim for you.

it seems alamy stated of numbers of images you may be able to claim for individual contributors. But it is a little bit confusing that alamy advise us to contact with DACS which we have no information of those alamy sales (who bought it and where it is used).

a little bit confused.


From DACS

Many thanks for getting in touch,

 

Each year we collect royalties to distribute to artists who have work published in UK books with ISBN numbers and UK magazines with ISSN/Barcode numbers and who continue to own the copyright to their works published. We collect royalties for works published up until the end of the previous year so this year works eligible for Payback must have been published before December 31st 2013. You can continue to make a claim each year for your works published in books and magazines as long as you continue to own the copyright to those images.

 

For more information about Payback, how it works and to read some answers to frequently asked questions, you can visit our website here: http://www.dacs.org.uk/for-artists/payback/in-detail.

 

With regards to making a claim, you could authorise Alamy to make a claim on your behalf but if you would instead like to make a direct claim via our website, you can reach the Payback log-in page by visiting the DACS website at http://www.dacs.org.uk/for-artists/payback and clicking Apply Now and create a new account unless you already claim Payback with DACS.

 

Before making a claim you'll just need to know how many books and magazines feature your work and how many images of yours have been included in all of these books and magazines put together. The number of works of yours which have featured in these UK publications can be identified via your Alamy statement.

 

We do also ask for ISBN numbers, titles and publication dates of three books to verify a claim for works published in books and three ISSN/Barcode numbers, titles and publication dates / issue numbers to verify a claim for magazines (fewer if you are making a claim for only one or two books or magazines).

 

However if you don't have access to this information, you can enter "Alamy Claim 2013" into the verification fields of your publication claim and forward a copy of your Alamy sales report to us at Payback@dacs.org.uk which we can use to validate your Payback claim."

End of quote  :)


You just download your sales from Alamy as a CSV file and forward it to DACS once you have registered.

That way you don't have to pay the commission to Alamy
  :)



Errrr no You don't DACS are quite clear the Alamy Sales report is all you need and you email it to them.

It's not complex at all

« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2014, 16:30 »
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what i understand from the letter is you can forward your sales report if you want to claim certain images. But you still need a lot of resource to support your claim.

I don't think DACS will look for those usages of your alamy sales report and made a claim for you.

it seems alamy stated of numbers of images you may be able to claim for individual contributors. But it is a little bit confusing that alamy advise us to contact with DACS which we have no information of those alamy sales (who bought it and where it is used).

a little bit confused.


From DACS

Many thanks for getting in touch,

 

Each year we collect royalties to distribute to artists who have work published in UK books with ISBN numbers and UK magazines with ISSN/Barcode numbers and who continue to own the copyright to their works published. We collect royalties for works published up until the end of the previous year so this year works eligible for Payback must have been published before December 31st 2013. You can continue to make a claim each year for your works published in books and magazines as long as you continue to own the copyright to those images.

 

For more information about Payback, how it works and to read some answers to frequently asked questions, you can visit our website here: http://www.dacs.org.uk/for-artists/payback/in-detail.

 

With regards to making a claim, you could authorise Alamy to make a claim on your behalf but if you would instead like to make a direct claim via our website, you can reach the Payback log-in page by visiting the DACS website at http://www.dacs.org.uk/for-artists/payback and clicking Apply Now and create a new account unless you already claim Payback with DACS.

 

Before making a claim you'll just need to know how many books and magazines feature your work and how many images of yours have been included in all of these books and magazines put together. The number of works of yours which have featured in these UK publications can be identified via your Alamy statement.

 

We do also ask for ISBN numbers, titles and publication dates of three books to verify a claim for works published in books and three ISSN/Barcode numbers, titles and publication dates / issue numbers to verify a claim for magazines (fewer if you are making a claim for only one or two books or magazines).

 

However if you don't have access to this information, you can enter "Alamy Claim 2013" into the verification fields of your publication claim and forward a copy of your Alamy sales report to us at Payback@dacs.org.uk which we can use to validate your Payback claim."

End of quote  :)


You just download your sales from Alamy as a CSV file and forward it to DACS once you have registered.

That way you don't have to pay the commission to Alamy
  :)



Errrr no You don't DACS are quite clear the Alamy Sales report is all you need and you email it to them.

It's not complex at all.

Also DACS do not search for uses of your images.  They simply divide a 4million pound pot of cash between all the claimants.

The money is collected from within the TV and publishing industry.


« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2014, 06:34 »
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So please, clarify me exactly where we need to put "Alamy claim 2013"
I'm filling the claim right now, The alamy mail said i have 12 images to claim for, so in the drop down menu of the claim in the books section i choose 7to25, and the in the Fields for ISBN title and year we have to put the "Alamy claim 2013" text in all 9 fields? because all are required fields.
Is that the way you have done it Teddy the cat?
Thank you.

« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2014, 10:58 »
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I really would like to know how can we claim it ourself without information from alamy. Just giving them the sales report will do?

« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2014, 03:42 »
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So please, clarify me exactly where we need to put "Alamy claim 2013"
I'm filling the claim right now, The alamy mail said i have 12 images to claim for, so in the drop down menu of the claim in the books section i choose 7to25, and the in the Fields for ISBN title and year we have to put the "Alamy claim 2013" text in all 9 fields? because all are required fields.
Is that the way you have done it Teddy the cat?
Thank you.

I added it to all the fields ISBN Title and so on. 

« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2014, 03:43 »
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I really would like to know how can we claim it ourself without information from alamy. Just giving them the sales report will do?

~Yes the sales report will do.  Fill in the claim online then email the Alamy report to payback@dacs.org.uk

« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2014, 10:49 »
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I added it to all the fields ISBN Title and so on.

Thank you !


 

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