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« Reply #50 on: June 20, 2009, 10:22 »
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On DT 17 of my last 20 sales were from the use of key words, 20 sales before that was 16 sales from key words. So if the search is by key words the buyers will  find your images ..... if you used the correct key words. ;D

As an ex buyer of images, I always used key words to find an image.

I'm new on DT and found the site to be user friendly and it took me exactly 4 months from day one to reach the payout. (yesterday)

-Larry

woa, excuz me if I misread something. But june 16 you said you were unhappy with DT and was contemplating concentrating on some other site, now you say DT is great.  how is it possible the in 4 days you went from unhappy to ecstatic? pls let me in on the secret ;)

At that time I had a sudden drop in sales and I thought it was due to new search results. It was a 7 day period with no sales and then it picked right back up as before. So now I am happy again.

So I should say Whoooops!

-Larry


« Reply #51 on: June 20, 2009, 21:58 »
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visual search
One way of working your way to the front page is participating in the assignments. Even if the assignment image doesn't sell, you'll get exposure and a chance of trapping a buyer in your port.
But don't forget that your image will be trapped for 12 months. :)

« Reply #52 on: June 21, 2009, 11:25 »
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visual search
One way of working your way to the front page is participating in the assignments. Even if the assignment image doesn't sell, you'll get exposure and a chance of trapping a buyer in your port.
But don't forget that your image will be trapped for 12 months. :)

And exclusive. In return you get a better positioning in the search engine and instant level 5. You also get the halo effect which I was mentioning. I don't care if it's "trapped" since I have no intention to leave DT. As far as I can see, there are only 2 reasons to remove an image(s) from microstock: (a) exclusive buyout, but only DT has it, so it's not applicable, or (b) going exclusive somewhere.
« Last Edit: June 21, 2009, 11:29 by FlemishDreams »

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« Reply #53 on: June 21, 2009, 15:32 »
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And exclusive. In return you get a better positioning in the search engine and instant level 5. You also get the halo effect which I was mentioning. I don't care if it's "trapped" since I have no intention to leave DT. As far as I can see, there are only 2 reasons to remove an image(s) from microstock: (a) exclusive buyout, but only DT has it, so it's not applicable, or (b) going exclusive somewhere.

THis special treatment you get only if your image wins the assignment. It doesn't mean every one who submits to the assignment get this better position,  instant level 5,etc

« Reply #54 on: June 21, 2009, 15:41 »
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Every image that gets approved for the assingment get raised to level 5 whether they win or not.



THis special treatment you get only if your image wins the assignment. It doesn't mean every one who submits to the assignment get this better position,  instant level 5,etc

« Reply #55 on: June 21, 2009, 22:54 »
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THis special treatment you get only if your image wins the assignment. It doesn't mean every one who submits to the assignment get this better position,  instant level 5,etc

No, the level 5 is acquired, whether you win it or not. That's the trick. Plus the extended exposure on the front page of course. Buyers can be trapped in "more of this port" or "more of this model" by visual search. I got a bunch of sales (sadly, most of them subs) the past 4 days [after I entered 2 images in the assignment] of shots that never sold at DT. "Sacrificing" (exclusivity) one or two pictures from a series is a good investment for these halo sales.

My point was basically that you have to play on the visual search mechanism too on DT, apart from proper keywording of course.
« Last Edit: June 21, 2009, 22:56 by FlemishDreams »

« Reply #56 on: June 21, 2009, 23:49 »
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I had to delete my assignment entried after the exclusive terms expired. Like Flemish said, my assignment photos were also sold as subs only and never had any real Level 5 sales. I don't enter assignments anymore.

« Reply #57 on: June 22, 2009, 02:18 »
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Here's my last sales on my most recent assingnment file.   Seems well worth it to me.
11 credits (2008) $6.60 medium
9 credits (2008) $4.82 extrasmall
14 credits (2008) $6.72 maximum (upsized) ,
11 credits (2008) $5.50 medium (RF) ,
13 credits (2008) $6.96 extralarge (RF)
13 credits (2008) $7.08 extralarge (RF)
subscription $0.42 extralarge (RF)
subscription $0.42 extralarge (RF)
6 credits (2007) $3.60 medium
10 credits (2008) $5.02 small

« Reply #58 on: June 22, 2009, 03:40 »
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Here what you are saying....

I have been at Dreamstime a good few years and it has performed well in the past however sales have tanked of late (more so since the search change) and with new images not performing for me there and the ever changing stat of the microstock industry had to ask myself what is the point in tying myself to this Agency for 6 months with little reward so stopped uploading. Shame but just think it is rather important to keep options open round about now especially with the Getty strokes and SS less than its usual dependable self ;)

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« Reply #59 on: June 22, 2009, 12:10 »
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awesome.
 thanks to Flemish and fotographer .
I've been following your comments on Assisgnment . I was not aware of this.
 Early this month I had an image approved, and got a note about Assignment.  I didn't know what it was. I thought Assignment was just another comment from someone. (lol newbie of one year, uninformed).
With your comments here, I realise what this is. For that,  I just submitted my first assignment entry a moment ago.
Only thing is I also like to submit the one that was approved recently. How do I do this? Do I need to resubmit the image and delete my approved one? Will it be rejected if I did that?

« Reply #60 on: June 22, 2009, 12:27 »
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Tan, before you go through the trouble - did you send the photo or any from the series elsewhere?  They must be exclusive for the assignment.

« Reply #61 on: June 22, 2009, 12:31 »
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Only thing is I also like to submit the one that was approved recently. How do I do this? Do I need to resubmit the image and delete my approved one? Will it be rejected if I did that?


http://www.dreamstime.com/thread_16757

I'm having my BME on DT now. No views, but plenty of sales. Tripple the number from May (which was very bad). Yes, yes, tiny portfolio, no good for statistics, etc,  but very nice on a personal level.  

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« Reply #62 on: June 22, 2009, 14:11 »
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Tan, before you go through the trouble - did you send the photo or any from the series elsewhere?  They must be exclusive for the assignment.


Yes, I know that much for the assignment. The one I submitted was shot just for the assignment, and therefore exclusive. I understand it stays that way for 12 months from today.
As for the one in my portfolio, yes too. It is an exclusive image.
I have other newly approved images that are quite appropriate for this assignment, but I cannot submit them as I already sold one on Fotolia the same day it got approved.
Thanks Pixart for asking.

Only thing is I also like to submit the one that was approved recently. How do I do this? Do I need to resubmit the image and delete my approved one? Will it be rejected if I did that?


http://www.dreamstime.com/thread_16757
 


Thanks gaja for the thread. I found your question which was similar to mine. ie. submit an existing image from your port, then disable it when it gets approved for the assignment.

« Reply #63 on: June 22, 2009, 14:55 »
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Thanks gaja for the thread. I found your question which was similar to mine. ie. submit an existing image from your port, then disable it when it gets approved for the assignment.

A pity they haven't done what the thread asked for and made the rules clearer in a FAQ or on the page where you go to upload for assignment. I think they would get many more exclusive images that way. Easily obtainable information is always important if you want to appear open and user friendly.

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« Reply #64 on: June 23, 2009, 09:20 »
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no views on new images and no sales for six days now. I don't know what's going on over there but it's not good.

« Reply #65 on: June 23, 2009, 09:59 »
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I think that for new images, the bar has now been raised so high - and the returns are so low - that it may no longer be worth submitting here unless you can somehow produce a high volume of very "stock worthy" images at no cost to yourself. 



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« Reply #66 on: June 23, 2009, 13:42 »
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I am thinking maybe it 's best to disable the files that have not be viewed after so long. Do you think it's a good idea.

« Reply #67 on: June 23, 2009, 13:59 »
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From my own selfish point of view, sure.  But I'm not sure that would be fair to the original contributors.  It would make more sense to purge low-quality photos, but that takes work (i.e. money).

Newer isn't always better. 



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« Reply #68 on: June 23, 2009, 14:21 »
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stockastic, no, I don't mean DT disable the images. I mean myself, disable my own new images that have no views for so long

« Reply #69 on: June 23, 2009, 14:27 »
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Um, it might make sense, if the site uses some overall portfolio 'performance' metric in ranking your photos -  in other words, if their search engine rates you higher according to the percentage of good sellers in your portfolio.    I have no idea if that is actually happening though.

There is perhaps an advantage in weeding out your portfolio for the benefit of buyers who might just be browsing through it, not keyword searching. 


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« Reply #70 on: June 23, 2009, 14:30 »
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I am thinking maybe it 's best to disable the files that have not be viewed after so long. Do you think it's a good idea.

stockastic, no, I don't mean DT disable the images. I mean myself, disable my own new images that have no views for so long

If you disable your own new photos, what difference would it make? You will still get no views.
Unless they are exclusive Dreamstime files, then maybe you could disable them and give them to the other Big 5 , in hopes that they will get better views and therefore better chances of downloads.
But for the non-exclusive files, I don't see the point.

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« Reply #71 on: June 23, 2009, 14:33 »
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Um, it might make sense, if the site uses some overall portfolio 'performance' metric in ranking your photos -  in other words, if their search engine rates you higher according to the percentage of good sellers in your portfolio.    I have no idea if that is actually happening though.

There is perhaps an advantage in weeding out your portfolio for the benefit of buyers who might just be browsing through it, not keyword searching. 



Ya, I was thinking of what sharply_done said in another thread about someone else uploading more new images . Stephen pointed out that if your current images are not getting views or downloads
adding new images will actually make it worst for your portfolio.  Or something like that.

« Reply #72 on: June 23, 2009, 17:19 »
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On my front page of "new images" I have now 20 pics with 0 views, except this one that's got 3 views and 1 sale: http://www.dreamstime.com/children-ready-to-race-thumb9628528.jpg

When I clicked on the keywords the buyer used, it was clear that (s)he had changed to newest first, cause the picture is nowhere to be seen on the regular search, while on newest it was no.3.

I don't know what other people should do, but I'll keep trying to improve keywords and pictures. I wouldn't mind if you all deleted all your files and gave me monopoly, but I don't really see the logic in why anybody would do that.

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« Reply #73 on: June 24, 2009, 12:35 »
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On my front page of "new images" I have now 20 pics with 0 views, except this one that's got 3 views and 1 sale: http://www.dreamstime.com/children-ready-to-race-thumb9628528.jpg

When I clicked on the keywords the buyer used, it was clear that (s)he had changed to newest first, cause the picture is nowhere to be seen on the regular search, while on newest it was no.3.

I don't know what other people should do, but I'll keep trying to improve keywords and pictures. I wouldn't mind if you all deleted all your files and gave me monopoly, but I don't really see the logic in why anybody would do that.


Well, I think I'll try to cull some of my new images to deselect them, and see if it improves my views on the latest uploads. If not, I will deselect some of those  new images that sell for me on the other site very quickly. No point to upload more if it makes it worst for me.

« Reply #74 on: June 24, 2009, 13:07 »
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I have views on some new images in the first couple of pages.  Not the majority of them, but the better ones.   Sales are pretty good at DT for me.


 

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