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As titled,do you use:

A mouse plus keyboard
12 (52.2%)
A mouse and tablet plus keyboard
4 (17.4%)
A  tablet and keyboard
6 (26.1%)
Other
1 (4.3%)

Total Members Voted: 22

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« on: December 10, 2019, 06:21 »
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Just curious how many people work with a pen instead of a mouse.
Reading here and there i think that pen might be a good solution for me.
Brand don't matter (or it does??) if you wish share if you use a pen or mouse.

Thanks!


« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2019, 01:12 »
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For work, tablet (Wacom Intuos 4) and keyboard. Been using Wacom tablets since about 2004. In the beginning, just put the mouse away and force oneself to just use the pen. One or two weeks later and one is natural with it. Mouse only comes out to play for gaming.

Snow

« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2019, 05:02 »
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Same here, I only use the mouse to play a game now and then, other then that keyboard and tablet all the way for many years now. Everything including stock photography, videography and 3D.

There's a good cheap alternative to Wacom but I forgot who mentioned that, it's a youtuber that does photoshop/lightroom tutorials. Let me see if I can find him.

I'm using a Wacom Intuos Small. I might go with the Pro version (or above alternative) but not medium size because small is just perfect for me.

Update: here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn36a1WczHs

« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2019, 05:44 »
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Thanl you both Martin & Snow for replying :)

Truth is that my wrists are already damaged and multi hour computer mouse work just make it worse.

Snow, XP-Pen is not available in my country, only one store that actually orders overseas
else, only through amazon or similar online order.
TBH i prefer to order form a store, have some personal contact and ensure they have a repair service available.
Believe it or not, I judge my purchase from the store, based on sales person and technician attitude.
The only alternative available that I am looking at the moment is a Huion Q11K v2.
Sounds big and low price. Guess with some compromising will do the trick.
Wacoms are out of my budget.

Thank you for mentioning video editing, I was wondering on this
but thought that most people do photoshop of illustrator work with pens.
I would gladly reject the mouse if I can do everything with a tablet!

Snow

« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2019, 07:05 »
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Thanl you both Martin & Snow for replying :)

Truth is that my wrists are already damaged and multi hour computer mouse work just make it worse.

Snow, XP-Pen is not available in my country, only one store that actually orders overseas
else, only through amazon or similar online order.
TBH i prefer to order form a store, have some personal contact and ensure they have a repair service available.
Believe it or not, I judge my purchase from the store, based on sales person and technician attitude.
The only alternative available that I am looking at the moment is a Huion Q11K v2.
Sounds big and low price. Guess with some compromising will do the trick.
Wacoms are out of my budget.

Thank you for mentioning video editing, I was wondering on this
but thought that most people do photoshop of illustrator work with pens.
I would gladly reject the mouse if I can do everything with a tablet!

Yeah been there done that mate. Pen will help for sure since this will change position (rotation) and movement of the wrist. Whenever I get back to the mouse I feel my wrist is out of it's alignment unlike the natural feel of a pen.

Also make sure the rest of your body parts are in line with the desk ;) shoulders back and down and table slightly lower then 90 to keep good bloodflow to hands. Don't lift knees too high up because that will strain the psoas (knee problems etc...)

If possible get one of those sit/stand desks (I'm using cheap ikea) because I get much less strain on wrists, shoulders and neck while standing. Legs get tired after a few hours but almost all other issues disappear but they do come back when I go back to sitting.

Also don't forget to exercise. We tend to keep our body tight and in the same position for too long so try to do the opposite when exercising.
As we all know our bodies are not built for this type of work so no matter what we do or buy we will always be vulnerable to RSI.

Best of luck mate and take care!

« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2019, 04:20 »
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Thanks for everyone voted, I forgot to include the trackball option. Apologies.
Here is a small update, maybe helpful for anyone in the future.

I dropped my Huion large tablet expectations, price was quite big for my budget for experimenting and online opinions were divided.
Most positive comments were posted (amazon etc) by people like me that never have used another pen tablet in the past.
A second reason was that Youtube have some videos that indicate that (maybe, I cannot know for sure) some brands push biased positive reviews.
A third subjective reason was brand recognition. Wacoms are around for years and (seem) to have more stable software and proven durability.
I like the battery free pens but I am not confortable with bluetooth (kid also using laptop) and rechargeable batteries if not necessary.

Ended up to a smaller Wacom One (CTL-672-S medium) that seems quite enough for a newbie like me.

It was easy to use by day one, didn't actually messed everything as some people claim while switching from mouse.
Mouse is still connected to the laptop, i have a hard time to highlight and c/p text. If anyone have a solution I would be grateful to read it.
Although it is a comsumer model, seems working fine, configured it for one screen it was fuzzy switching on two monitors.
For second screen I use the mouse to usually leave open email or a tutorial.
Guess for two monitor setup if no masking needs exist, one can drag the Program tab and have a large preview
and keep all other tabs (timeline / effect controls / lumetri etc etc) in monitor one working on them with the tablet.
Working on a 27" monitor, "medium" tablet is actually "big". I mean gives space and detail to move around.
hand still moves. Guess a better configuration of program tabs is needed.

As for video editing if this helps works (guess) as a mouse with Pr and i find my hand sitting in one position more comfortable.
Masking still is horrible, you cannot set clicks one near other in "fit window" mode, thought that was a mouse limitation, but no.
Quite odd but tablet didn't fit in front or next to the keyboard, rather rotated around 35-40 degrees. Perhaps due to my wrong sitting position.

Actually the pen helps using more the keyboard as long as it accelerates the process.
Wacom One have no tablet keys, but on the pen has two buttons.
If this helps, for stock (Pr) it was easy to configured them as "extract a frame" (Ctrl+Shift+E) and "Export" (Ctrl+M) keystrokes.

Bonus feature, the little one can draw better with the pen in Windows painting. I was amazed to see how easily adopted it and used it to open Paint.
Not sure if Windows or Wacom driver enables it but while saving a file, clicking on the name tab appears a free writing tab
where with the pen you can hand write e.g. "test" and reads it and saves the file as eg "test.mp4"
It also tolarates and seems to support copying from a paper, I mean putting the paper over the tablet and pushing over lines if this helps.

Offtopic: I use to say that I suck at photography.
Now on I know that I am confirmed to suck at photography and painting - free hand drawing :P

EDIT: still using keyboard with two hands for keystrokes, easy to flip the pen as a ...normal pen and type.
People (guess) won't mess with the timeline, that's basic if you are editing with someone over your shoulder giving instructions.
Puttong the pen down and clipping it to the tablet holder, psychological dictates "end of work" not like mouse "oh, let's also do this or that".
Pen does support scrolling (eg webpage). That was something I wondered and found no answer online.
Not sure if applies to everyone but Win10 by default set pen to "left" hand, guess affecting tilt options. Had to change to "right"
Apologies but I don't use photo editing or illustrating programs to share an opinion.

Hope to revise this post with more video editing comments in teh future.
« Last Edit: December 22, 2019, 07:35 by georgep7 »

« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2019, 04:48 »
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I have bought a wacom intuos in amazon christmas sales for the same problem. Waiting for it now.

Have a logi trackball too and maybe gonna buy a logi vertical ergonomic mouse. With the logi vertical you use the wrist in a different position, like writing witn a pencil. Your wrist is not on the table.

I use both hands, the last ten years used the left. The logi is just for the right, I'm trying one now.

The trackball is not the solution. Your wrist is pressed in the same position and now I'm starting the same problems in left hand after using it for two years. It's an expensive solution, just one year of working for me. Bought the second one a few months ago.

Good luck.

« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2019, 14:04 »
+1
I control all directly with my mind
And sometimes I use keyboard + mouse

« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2019, 15:23 »
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Mind is the best.

« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2019, 17:04 »
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I control all directly with my mind
And sometimes I use keyboard + mouse

The ackward moment that you don't know if someone is joking or reffering to an actual product
https://mind-objects.com/category/tablet-devices-with-stylus/
:P

« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2019, 03:34 »
+1
Work with the Force.

wds

« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2019, 09:59 »
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Not all INTUOS solutions are expensive: Also compare the Wacom Intuos Creative Pen Tablet


 

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