I'm still wondering which is the best strategy for keywording images in Adobe stock: the first seven, maybe ten words, have best impact to search engine, and this is confirmed by Mat.

But the problem is: what is better to put in the first keywords?
The most generic, or the most specific ones?
Or may be a mix?

I ask this because I see no clear signal.
For example: I have a series of really different images produced in the same set and the risk is to put always the same keywords to the top for better description, but it should be a nice job to create something different for each one.
How to do this?
Generic ones at the top, and specific ones after 5 or 6 position?
Or maybe the specific ones on top, and the the generic ones?

I had different results so I can't understand which is the better strategy.
If you would like to share yours it could be really helpful.
Also Mat, if you like to clarify this point
Thanks for any thought

Mat, you appear to be saying that any keyword in the top 10 has the same weight.  Given the color coding, I would have thought the first 5 are weighted in order of appearance, the next 5 are all the same weight, but lower than 1-5, and the keywords after 10 have a lower weight than that.
Since Pete is correct, you are saying that:
dog, poodle, running, chase, winter, snow, ball, pet, black, basketball
will give the same search result as:
basketball, black, pet, ball, snow, winter, chase, running, poodle, dog.

Please tell me that is not so.  I just finished annotating my 8800 images so it is too late for me.  But it would be good to know going forward.

Quote from: Reimar on December 21, 2020, 12:04

Mat, you appear to be saying that any keyword in the top 10 has the same weight.  Given the color coding, I would have thought the first 5 are weighted in order of appearance, the next 5 are all the same weight, but lower than 1-5, and the keywords after 10 have a lower weight than that.
Since Pete is correct, you are saying that:
dog, poodle, running, chase, winter, snow, ball, pet, black, basketball
will give the same search result as:
basketball, black, pet, ball, snow, winter, chase, running, poodle, dog.

Please tell me that is not so.  I just finished annotating my 8800 images so it is too late for me.  But it would be good to know going forward.

As far as I know, the first word has more weight than the second which has more weight than the third, etc. The top ten in general have the most impact. As a best practice, I list the most important/relevant keyword first and do my best to keep all relevant keywords in the top ten. You really don't need much more than 15-25 keywords tops per asset.

-Mat

I'll wait for Mat to give the answer to the first ten words question, if I'm wrong, but the way I understood it was, 1-10 are stronger and then all the rest 11-49 the same, but lower, - do not include 50 or all words are the same rank.

Quote from: derby on December 20, 2020, 18:06

I'll wait for Mat to give the answer to the first ten words question, if I'm wrong, but the way I understood it was, 1-10 are stronger and then all the rest 11-49 the same, but lower, - do not include 50 or all words are the same rank.

Why not use all 50 words? If there is an option for 50 then I'll write 50 of them.

Quote from: komikmiha on December 22, 2020, 15:14

Quote from: derby on December 20, 2020, 18:06

I'll wait for Mat to give the answer to the first ten words question, if I'm wrong, but the way I understood it was, 1-10 are stronger and then all the rest 11-49 the same, but lower, - do not include 50 or all words are the same rank.

Why not use all 50 words? If there is an option for 50 then I'll write 50 of them.

If you max out at 50, the system removes the advantage of the top 10 keywords carrying more weight and instead all 50 keywords are given equal weight at 1/50 which is not ideal. I highly recommend you cap it at 49.

-Mat

Mat, how do keyword combinations or keyphrases work on Adobe?

Mat, how do keyword combinations or keyphrases work on Adobe?

Quote from: panicAttack on January 13, 2021, 05:07

I have all my images with 50 keywords, if I remove one from them will I get better rank for first 10 keywords or it is just for new uploads?

Unless the content is new, I wouldn't put that effort in. Be sure to limit your keywords to no more than 49 moving forward. Seems like a lot to have for every image, make sure you are adding only words that are relevant to the submission. If you add vague or irrelevant keywords, that will hurt your placement in search.

-Mat

Quote from: MatHayward on December 21, 2020, 13:28

Quote from: Reimar on December 21, 2020, 12:04

Mat, you appear to be saying that any keyword in the top 10 has the same weight.  Given the color coding, I would have thought the first 5 are weighted in order of appearance, the next 5 are all the same weight, but lower than 1-5, and the keywords after 10 have a lower weight than that.
Since Pete is correct, you are saying that:
dog, poodle, running, chase, winter, snow, ball, pet, black, basketball
will give the same search result as:
basketball, black, pet, ball, snow, winter, chase, running, poodle, dog.

Please tell me that is not so.  I just finished annotating my 8800 images so it is too late for me.  But it would be good to know going forward.

As far as I know, the first word has more weight than the second which has more weight than the third, etc. The top ten in general have the most impact. As a best practice, I list the most important/relevant keyword first and do my best to keep all relevant keywords in the top ten. You really don't need much more than 15-25 keywords tops per asset.

-Mat

You folks didn't say that in ether the keywords or the search webinar. Can you get a confirmation?

And yes, I already do that, but just because it looks pretty.  OCD people do things like that, in order, even if it doesn't matter.

Quote from: Reimar on December 21, 2020, 12:04

Mat, you appear to be saying that any keyword in the top 10 has the same weight.  Given the color coding, I would have thought the first 5 are weighted in order of appearance, the next 5 are all the same weight, but lower than 1-5, and the keywords after 10 have a lower weight than that.
Since Pete is correct, you are saying that:
dog, poodle, running, chase, winter, snow, ball, pet, black, basketball
will give the same search result as:
basketball, black, pet, ball, snow, winter, chase, running, poodle, dog.

Please tell me that is not so.  I just finished annotating my 8800 images so it is too late for me.  But it would be good to know going forward.

Yes, there used to be that confusion (Before Mat!) We had been told the top 7 or the top 9 and the colors didn't match the theories. So when the lady (I forget her name now) said it was the top ten, I believed that was enough to convince me it's ten.  So I haven't even noticed there's any colors anymore. Are there?

I'll wait for the definitive answer from Mat on the rank of the first ten words. That could change things, but since I usually did put them in order anyway, I will just make sure for the future.

One more note from both of the webinars, which I watched at least twice and took notes... after 30 days, the effect of changing the keyword order is very little. By then your images have been ranked.

However (this comes from me and others, a logical consideration) adding words that were left out, could help the images in future searches by buyers. But the image rank won't change. It can't hurt to add better words or words that are missing.

@Pete, I have confirmed that as of this moment in time, yes...keyword 1 has slightly more weight than keyword 2, which has more weight than 3 and so on...I'm told this is not something you should obsess on when indexing as the advantage within the top ten over one another is negligible. Just be sure you are putting the most important words in the top ten and you should be good to go.

-Mat