Author Topic: Google/Adobe partnership with Bard & Firefly (Read 6272 times)

Jo Ann Snover · « **on:** May 13, 2023, 14:19 »

On Wednesday, as part of Google's I/O event, Adobe announced their partnership:

"Today we announced that we’re bringing Firefly to Bard by Google with the ability to continue your creative journey in Adobe Express, to inspire millions of people to create. In the coming months, Firefly will power and highlight text-to-image capabilities in Google’s experimental conversational AI service, with the ability to continue your creative journey further in Express. Users of all skill levels will be able to describe their vision to Bard in their own words to create Firefly generated images directly in Bard.

After you generate an image with Firefly, you will have the ability to edit and further modify it using Express, making it easy to create standout content with inspiration from Express’s beautiful, high-quality collection of templates, fonts, Stock images and assets."

Up till now, if you downloaded an image you generated with Firefly beta, (a) it had a watermark and (b) was not authorized for commercial use. Is that true for the output from Bard/Firefly/Adobe Express?

"Stay tuned in the weeks ahead for updates on Firefly and more exciting features coming to Express!"

I think it's more than time for an update for contributors on when they might see compensation, or at least a plan. We should not just be an afterthought as the execs make deals. What exactly is holding up the compensation model announcement?

We were asked to be patient while beta was underway (although it would have been preferable to have to consulted before the training was done), but announcing a big new partnership, trumpeting the main advantage to be the rights to their (our) content, makes it clear the marketing messages are Adobe's priority, not the reality of putting a compensation plan in place.

https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2023/05/10/adobe-firefly-adobe-express-google-bard

Here's some more coverage of this announcement:

https://techcrunch.com/2023/05/10/google-partners-with-adobe-to-bring-art-generation-to-bard/
https://petapixel.com/2023/05/10/google-is-integrating-adobe-firefly-and-express-into-bard-chatbot/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/barrycollins/2023/05/10/google-bard-boosted-with-adobes-ai-art/?sh=1f00687f31ef
https://www.engadget.com/google-is-incorporating-adobes-firefly-ai-image-generator-into-bard-174525371.html
https://www.fastcompany.com/90894359/google-and-adobe-firefly-bard-partnership
https://www.techtarget.com/searchcustomerexperience/news/366537328/Google-adds-Adobes-image-generator-Firefly-to-Bard

It's lovely that the press coverage is emphasizing the ethical basis for Firefly - our content uploaded to Adobe Stock - but that has to be backed up with a plan and actual compensation.

From the TechTarget article ""It's an interesting example of how training data may be the most important differentiator between AI services rather than usability or output,""

From the FastCompany article:

"THE ETHICAL ADVANTAGE
There’s something unique about Google and Adobe’s play: The ethical aspect. Google explains that “unlike any other Generative AI tool available today, Firefly is designed to generate images that are safe to use in commercial settings once the model is out of public beta, free from copyrighted materials like popular cartoon characters and branded content.”

The secret to Adobe’s sauce is that Firefly is trained on hundreds of millions of professional-grade, licensed images in Adobe Stock, which is a critical aspect in obtaining not only high-quality images but material that respects copyright owners. "

I'm not feeling respected today...

cobalt · « **Reply #1 on:** May 13, 2023, 14:41 »

I trust Adobe. They have built an ethical ai and this deal should bring lots of customers that will also get plugged into their stock offerings.

I think this is also a good opportunity for the Adobe ai collection, I think when people try prompting and see excellent ready to use ai content on offer parallel to their prompting, I think many will prefer a „professional“ ai image.

Obviously would like to know more about how we get paid for ai use, but expanding the Adobe universe to a very large customer group is good news IMO.

deadly_splash · « **Reply #2 on:** May 13, 2023, 19:21 »

Quote from: cobalt on May 13, 2023, 14:41

I trust Adobe...

I do not and never will
any of the corps, doesn't matter the name.

cobalt · « **Reply #3 on:** May 14, 2023, 00:19 »

Then don‘t upload or supply them.

Compared to what I have experienced at many places, Adobe is fantastic..

offisapup · « **Reply #4 on:** May 14, 2023, 03:53 »

Quote from: cobalt on May 13, 2023, 14:41

I trust Adobe.

Hmm yes... Like we all trusted Adobe when they made all the people who'd bought their softwares to keep paying them subscriptions for eternity. Yeah, very trustworthy those people.

And yes, I know what you're going to say. "Don't use Adobe software if you don't like to pay subs". I don't and won't but that doesn't make them "trustworthy".

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #5 on:** May 14, 2023, 04:15 »

Quote from: cobalt on May 13, 2023, 14:41

I trust Adobe...

LOL, they just helped themselves to our work and sold it as being theirs so ethically sound.

MadMax · « **Reply #6 on:** May 14, 2023, 06:01 »

I'd only trust an A.I. opt out checkbox or cheques.

DiscreetDuck · « **Reply #7 on:** May 14, 2023, 10:16 »

Quote from: cobalt on May 13, 2023, 14:41

I trust Adobe.

Tha'ts all they want from sheeps, before they invite them in a plate.

f8 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 14, 2023, 14:59 »

Quote from: cobalt on May 13, 2023, 14:41

I trust Adobe.

So so so naive.

Noedelhap · « **Reply #9 on:** May 14, 2023, 16:51 »

Quote from: cobalt on May 13, 2023, 14:41

I trust Adobe. They have built an ethical

This is where I quit reading.

cobalt · « **Reply #10 on:** May 23, 2023, 15:50 »

OMG,

just got back to this thread.

Looks like I am the only one enjoying increasing sales at Adobe?

Where else do you guys prefer to upload to make money?

cascoly · « **Reply #11 on:** May 24, 2023, 12:32 »

Quote from: cobalt on May 23, 2023, 15:50

OMG,

just got back to this thread.

Looks like I am the only one enjoying increasing sales at Adobe?

Where else do you guys prefer to upload to make money?

for May, AS is my BME , 10% more than last 3 mo and 30% more than previous year's avg . SS is about avg, now slightly ahead of AS, plus addtl $200 this month from contributor fund

wordplanet · « **Reply #12 on:** May 24, 2023, 21:49 »

To me, Adobe's touting their AI as "ethical" while using our work without our permission and without payment, while thousands of people take advantage of that data in Adobe firefly beta, and now in Photoshop beta too, is simply wrong.

I've been so impressed by Adobe's attempts to engage the Stock photography community from the Discord channel to the plethora of free classes, AdobeMAX online free, and Mat's engagement here. I love their products and use LR and PS pretty much every day - and lately I've been blown away by PS Express on my iPad too. I'm also up 47% from this time last year in my earnings on Adobe Stock.

So, I'd happily be an Adobe fan, but their claim that their AI is "ethical" just rings hollow when we are left with nothing after they used our hard work, not just the photos, but all the time, effort and research that goes into the keywords too, to train their awesome AI.

They could not have done it without us. It's time to give us our share.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #13 on:** May 24, 2023, 21:51 »

I also like Adobe,and I'm also sure they have to look after their own interests first,otherwise they can't even support the artists.

With AS I feel free to express my art,and to create whatever I want,and to index the created content as I see fit.

with AS everything happens with clarity,and let's not forget that it was not written anywhere that they had to give the contributor bonus program but they chose to do it,as well as free collections by choosing to pay contributors,and for one year only,and you can choose what content and I have already sold many times content that was last year in the free collection,so I get money for just one year in the free collection and after one year I continue to sell too the same contents in the paid collection.The minimum payout at 25,to help new contributors so they can withdraw something too…what we want more?

A red carpet maybe?

no maybe a contributor app,they forgot that one!

Yes AI…for the moment I am also continuing to sell illustrations made with 4 lines, illustrations that probably even a 6 year old child can do!Customers prefer real images,real people,real places and above all ready-made content.

yes I'm in the eurozone too,but what can you do?These are difficult times,and so now it's the same for everyone,it's also right.

trust? I don't even trust my best friend probably….but at the moment the best agency out there is definitely Adobe.

I just want to add that I feel like giving them the benefit of the doubt.

In my opinion this is another smart move by Adobe which,with the partnership with Google,will bring even more customers towards us,so they use our work to train Firefly that in the end will rewards us much more.

I hope so,and as far as I'm concerned Adobe has largely deserved at least the benefit of the doubt.

f8 · « **Reply #14 on:** May 25, 2023, 17:18 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on May 24, 2023, 21:51

I also like Adobe,and I'm also sure they have to look after their own interests first,otherwise they can't even support the artists.

I think their shareholders come first. They don't support artists at all. None of these micro stock agencies put their priority to supporting artists. To think otherwise you are only foolinig yourself.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #16 on:** May 25, 2023, 21:29 »

More good news!

Thanks Mat and Adobe!

DiscreetDuck · « **Reply #17 on:** August 31, 2023, 05:47 »

Quote from: MatHayward on May 25, 2023, 18:21

[...] I want to assure you that, as we previously stated with the original introduction to Firefly, we plan to compensate Adobe Stock artists for the use of their content in the dataset training. This is a top priority at Adobe. I’m not able to provide details yet, as they are being finalized, but as originally announced, we will share information about the compensation when Firefly exits beta.[...]

Mat Hayward

It seems to me that Adobe should reserve compensation (if they ever keep their promise) only for contributors not submitting AI-generated images.
For AI prompters and AI enthusiasts, compensation is already taking place, as they benefit and take advantage of the generation of their images by an AI, that exploits images from other authors.

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Author Topic: Google/Adobe partnership with Bard & Firefly (Read 6272 times)

Jo Ann Snover

cobalt

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MadMax

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f8

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Injustice for all

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