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« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2022, 13:14 »
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There's a quickly diminishing amount of creative/artist jobs already and this will just accelerate the decline. Once this is perfected over the next 5-10 years stock agencies will adopt AI and have little need for contributors. Free money for them and less of having to deal with us. AI wont kill the industry but it will be a big shift much like macro to micro. People will need to adjust to the shift and find a profitable niche. Editorial cant be replaced by AI.
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it's not free if agencies create their own AI images - they have to pay the designers - much cheaper to rely on contributors to create, weed out, refine, keyword, etc


« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2022, 13:28 »
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What tools are you using? Has anyone tried putting the (uncommon) name of a microstock photographer and the full title of some of their images? Wondering what happens when you limit the pool it can draw from.


it really doesnt limit it, since it starts from nothing & tweaks using its entire knowledge.  once trained, it doesnt need to actually look at images, so there's no copying from any particular image

here's a quick example


none of my images look anything like this - my images are taken from the other side of the mosque! in fact these images are more precise than mine, where my images don't actually show the golden horn and these are taken FROM the golden horn

altho Yeni translates as 'new mosque' The mosque was completed in 1663.
https://cascoly-images.com/exploring-the-other-mosques-of-istanbul/
« Last Edit: September 18, 2022, 13:32 by cascoly »

« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2022, 13:30 »
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Eventually there will be an agency with no artists where the buyer types in what they want and gets a selection of AI images to choose from.
But that's already here and pretty much what people are talking about here.

no, since buyers want an image they can use directly & these AI need additional selection, processing, etc

SVH

« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2022, 15:06 »
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If AI can make any picture you want why would anyone need agencies? You just buy the software and add any picture you want to your article. So it's not just the contributors losing here. It's also the agencies. They will be redundant, like us.

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« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2022, 16:19 »
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There's a quickly diminishing amount of creative/artist jobs already and this will just accelerate the decline. Once this is perfected over the next 5-10 years stock agencies will adopt AI and have little need for contributors. Free money for them and less of having to deal with us. AI wont kill the industry but it will be a big shift much like macro to micro. People will need to adjust to the shift and find a profitable niche. Editorial cant be replaced by AI.
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it's not free if agencies create their own AI images - they have to pay the designers - much cheaper to rely on contributors to create, weed out, refine, keyword, etc

Well, cost depends on if the agency licenses an existing AI or builds its own. Eventually, AI will fully automate everything eliminating the need for contributors except for editorial. I would expect the AI to be cheaper but who knows. Hard to say the cost of AI development or licensing vs contributor payouts.

Agencies will likely have curated stock AI images picked by staff, plus stock images generated by AI, and then virtual AI images created when a buyer types in search terms where AI just creates images on the spot. AI will learn over time buyer patterns and it will fine-tune creating new images that are more likely to sell. Eventually it will learn enough that the need for designers and contributors will diminish. At some point AI will keyword and curate images accurately.

I hope we're at least ten years or more away from photo AI being fully mature otherwise this may really screw up my retirement plans.


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« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2022, 16:24 »
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If AI can make any picture you want why would anyone need agencies? You just buy the software and add any picture you want to your article. So it's not just the contributors losing here. It's also the agencies. They will be redundant, like us.

They will have curated work and customer service to help buyers save time and bypass the unusable garbage. However, at some point, the AI will have learned so much it may work so well that it does actually eliminate the need for an agency. It will just generate images based on what the buyer types in. As it learns patterns of what people buy, the images will get better and it will create more sellable work reducing the need for curation.
« Last Edit: September 18, 2022, 20:22 by PaulieWalnuts »

« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2022, 16:31 »
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This is a link to an text to image generator developed by Baidu-currently free to use

https://huggingface.co/spaces/PaddlePaddle/ERNIE-ViLG

« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2022, 20:45 »
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If AI can make any picture you want why would anyone need agencies? You just buy the software and add any picture you want to your article. So it's not just the contributors losing here. It's also the agencies. They will be redundant, like us.
because it's just not that simple -  RYFM - this has already been discussed

« Reply #33 on: September 19, 2022, 00:58 »
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Eventually there will be an agency with no artists where the buyer types in what they want and gets a selection of AI images to choose from.
But that's already here and pretty much what people are talking about here.

What agency has make a request and get an AI image assortment? I haven't seen that yet, but I think that will be part of the future. No artists at all at that one.

Where is it already here?

I am not sure what you mean by "make a request", but AI generation sites like DALL E are pretty much what was described: You go to a site, you "types in what they want and gets a selection of AI images to choose from".
« Last Edit: September 19, 2022, 01:11 by Firn »

« Reply #34 on: September 19, 2022, 07:02 »
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If AI can make any picture you want why would anyone need agencies? You just buy the software and add any picture you want to your article. So it's not just the contributors losing here. It's also the agencies. They will be redundant, like us.

What if you can't buy the software and the only way to create images is license them from the AI site? The companies are not developing this AI for pleasure, they want to make as much money as possible. They could become an agency no artists for an annual fee around the cost of a SS subscription. This would hurt the agencies, you're right.

« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2022, 08:47 »
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The guys saying "it's just another tool" and telling us how exciting it is now that they've tried it....  it's like they've been hit by a car and are still in shock, not comprehending what's happened.

This stuff is going to flood microstocks and PODs. But wait - those companies can now generate their own "content".  On demand. Oh wait again... the customers won't need the agencies because EVERYONE can generate what they think they want, and just pay they "AI" company. Or pay Meta after they buy all the technology.

Any existing work that's visible on the web can be copied, in subtle and unproveable ways.  Oh did I say "copied"?  I meant "used to train the AI". 

This will take years to play out and it's going to be hilarious.   Eventually, some photographers and artists will figure out how to effectively sue these fake-AI companies and pull back the curtains to expose how the software really works.  You won't see anything you'd call "intelligence".
« Last Edit: September 20, 2022, 13:07 by stockastic »

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« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2022, 10:51 »
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Eventually there will be an agency with no artists where the buyer types in what they want and gets a selection of AI images to choose from.
But that's already here and pretty much what people are talking about here.

What agency has make a request and get an AI image assortment? I haven't seen that yet, but I think that will be part of the future. No artists at all at that one.

Where is it already here?

I am not sure what you mean by "make a request", but AI generation sites like DALL E are pretty much what was described: You go to a site, you "types in what they want and gets a selection of AI images to choose from".

What I meant was, someone will create an agency, no artists, that will have "enter what you want your image to be", then it will create a selection. The buyer will then pay to download the image(s) they want. Dall-E and the rest are just in beta right now, and yes we can use them free, but the results are unreliable and often not professional. When the AI gets to "good enough"  ;) Someone will charge for it. There is no free lunch.

Selling the software, would be a bad idea, as people have pointed out, then anyone can spend days or months and just create and create new images. You don't buy your operating system on your computer, you pay for a license. Adobe CC is an example, you pay for a subscription. If these people create a useful tool, they should have an expensive license to use it.

I think a better way would be, they start a service, that charges for each image to be created, to specifications, and no one else gets their software or the code to make it operate.

On the other hand, lets say they license the software to people, and hundreds of thousands of people can make all the fake images they want of anything? The image market for that kind of work, would soon be so flooded that it wouldn't make sense to license the software. There would be 5 billion images of anything, anyone can imagine.

Anyway, no there isn't a service or agency right now that allows anyone to produce commercial AI created images that are good enough. Some day there will be. And personally the 5-10 years is a laugh. I remember the predictions of how many years before digital photos would have enough quality to surpass film. How digital could resolve the lens quality, and why we could not have video cameras that recorded to memory cards, instead of a hard drive or DVD, because of the speed and size of memory.

Every one of those predictions of many years, turned out to be, a year maybe two.

I don't want this, but I see AI images being refined, available and high enough quality in 2 years or less. You want a penguin on a surfboard, with pineapples in it's hands... it's going to be made.

Death to certain segments of stock photography, AI creations will absolutely do that. Real people, news, products, and creative art, (probably other areas) will not be replaced by AI so soon.

« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2022, 12:16 »
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If AI can make any picture you want why would anyone need agencies? You just buy the software and add any picture you want to your article. So it's not just the contributors losing here. It's also the agencies. They will be redundant, like us.

What if you can't buy the software and the only way to create images is license them from the AI site? The companies are not developing this AI for pleasure, they want to make as much money as possible. They could become an agency no artists for an annual fee around the cost of a SS subscription. This would hurt the agencies, you're right.

but there are no images to buy on the AI site - they are more like PS than an agency

« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2022, 12:49 »
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Anyway, no there isn't a service or agency right now that allows anyone to produce commercial AI created images that are good enough.
Ah Uncle Pete they are, they are already of enough good quality.
And strange enough, nobody commented here this
https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/1/23332684/ai-generated-artwork-wins-state-fair-competition-colorado

SVH

« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2022, 13:12 »
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If AI can make any picture you want why would anyone need agencies? You just buy the software and add any picture you want to your article. So it's not just the contributors losing here. It's also the agencies. They will be redundant, like us.

What if you can't buy the software and the only way to create images is license them from the AI site? The companies are not developing this AI for pleasure, they want to make as much money as possible. They could become an agency no artists for an annual fee around the cost of a SS subscription. This would hurt the agencies, you're right.

but there are no images to buy on the AI site - they are more like PS than an agency

Try to learn to read and comprehend sometimes what other people are saying before you react to something. It is not that it is now but it could be in the near future. That is what she meant.

« Reply #40 on: September 19, 2022, 14:29 »
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I think a better way would be, they start a service, that charges for each image to be created, to specifications, and no one else gets their software or the code to make it operate.
that's what DALL-E does! with a few free images a month & about $.10 per image after that

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On the other hand, lets say they license the software to people, and hundreds of thousands of people can make all the fake images they want of anything? The image market for that kind of work, would soon be so flooded that it wouldn't make sense to license the software. There would be 5 billion images of anything, anyone can imagine.
...

that's a big reason why this is unlikely for DALL-E since they have a commitment to prevent this scenario. Thus, they have to keep control of the software. 

  • Theyre rejecting image uploads that include recognizable faces, as well as generation prompts that seek to recreate the likeness of public figures (celebrities and politicians, for example), or realistic photos of real individuals.
  • Theyre improving their filters to block users from creating harmful content this includes violent, adult, or political content and also removing this kind of data from the softwares training altogether.
  • Theyre using both automated and human monitors to supervise the platform and avoid misuse

« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2022, 19:21 »
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that's a big reason why this is unlikely for DALL-E since they have a commitment to prevent this scenario. Thus, they have to keep control of the software. 

  • Theyre rejecting image uploads that include recognizable faces, as well as generation prompts that seek to recreate the likeness of public figures (celebrities and politicians, for example), or realistic photos of real individuals.
  • Theyre improving their filters to block users from creating harmful content this includes violent, adult, or political content and also removing this kind of data from the softwares training altogether.
  • Theyre using both automated and human monitors to supervise the platform and avoid misuse

Got this email today:
You can now upload and edit photos with faces with DALLE.

Many of you have told us that you miss using DALLE to dream up outfits and hairstyles on yourselves and edit the backgrounds of family photos. A reconstructive surgeon told us that hed been using DALLE to help his patients visualize results. And filmmakers have told us that they want to be able to edit images of scenes with people to help speed up their creative processes.

With improvements in our safety system, DALLE is now ready to support these delightful and important use cases while minimizing the potential of harm from deepfakes.

We made our filters more robust at rejecting attempts to generate sexual, political, and violent content while also working to reduce false flags and built new detection and response techniques to stop misuse.

Our content policy still prevents uploading images of anyone without their consent, or images that you do not have the rights to.

We hope this update helps you use DALLE in even more creative and practical ways. Were excited to see what you create!
- The OpenAI Team


______________________________________________

Nothing is permanent here, something not available today will be available tomorrow.
Small resolution, fast rendering, more accurate generation etc. will all come very soon.

This is not any tool, it's AI, it is self learning everyday and will become smarter and smarter.


« Reply #42 on: September 20, 2022, 06:55 »
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Anyway, no there isn't a service or agency right now that allows anyone to produce commercial AI created images that are good enough.
Ah Uncle Pete they are, they are already of enough good quality.
And strange enough, nobody commented here this
https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/1/23332684/ai-generated-artwork-wins-state-fair-competition-colorado

Is that a commercial service or production site?

« Reply #43 on: September 20, 2022, 07:01 »
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Anyway, no there isn't a service or agency right now that allows anyone to produce commercial AI created images that are good enough.
Ah Uncle Pete they are, they are already of enough good quality.
And strange enough, nobody commented here this
https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/1/23332684/ai-generated-artwork-wins-state-fair-competition-colorado

Is that a commercial service or production site?
production

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #44 on: September 20, 2022, 10:07 »
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Anyway, no there isn't a service or agency right now that allows anyone to produce commercial AI created images that are good enough.
Ah Uncle Pete they are, they are already of enough good quality.
And strange enough, nobody commented here this
https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/1/23332684/ai-generated-artwork-wins-state-fair-competition-colorado

Is that a commercial service or production site?
production

State Fair competition, but yes, some of the work is "good enough". We don't know how much hand editing that artist put into the AI created image, after the fact.

https://pixexid.com/read/midjourney-ai-text-to-image-generator

Some of these are pretty darn good. People and animals look a bit strange. Last one on the page, fairy castle sure looks like something from Disney? People are now starting prompt generators for the images. For the good examples, the people promoting this AI aren't usually showing the spectacular failures.

As many have posted, much of the results are questionable or distorted, missing fingers, face with strange features. My point is, there isn't a system yet that allows buyers to come in and effectively say, "I want a photo created with this, this and this..." and the AI can make what they want, in a useful quality, reliably.

When that happens, and I still say sooner than predicted, there will be some major changes to how stock photos are supplied.

If things are bad now and slow for many people, AI being perfected, is not going to make anything better.

« Reply #45 on: September 20, 2022, 13:47 »
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I think it will never replace real photos. Especially editorial where reality and authenticity is needed.

« Reply #46 on: September 21, 2022, 09:17 »
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Getty & iStock have just banned all images from AI software and will be be removing all existing ones submitted to them over concerns around copyright of the raw images used to create the finished images as well as the metadata.

I have a feeling they won't be the only ones, it could be a potential legal minefield.

« Reply #47 on: September 21, 2022, 09:38 »
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Great move by Getty:



Effective immediately, Getty Images will cease to accept all submissions created using AI generative models (e.g., Stable Diffusion, Dall‑E 2, MidJourney, etc.) and prior submissions utilizing such models will be removed.

There are open questions with respect to the copyright of outputs from these models and there are unaddressed rights issues with respect to the underlying imagery and metadata used to train these models.

These changes do not prevent the submission of 3D renders and do not impact the use of digital editing tools (e.g., Photoshop, Illustrator, etc.) with respect to modifying and creating imagery.

Best wishes,

Getty Images | iStock

« Reply #48 on: September 21, 2022, 10:28 »
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Yes, well done Getty!

« Reply #49 on: September 21, 2022, 10:39 »
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Good job banning these AI images, but how do they know it was generated via AI?  How will they be going back to purge previously accepted AI imagery?


 

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