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« Reply #50 on: September 21, 2022, 10:42 »
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Good job banning these AI images, but how do they know it was generated via AI?  How will they be going back to purge previously accepted AI imagery?

They probably need another AI to detect AI.. haha  ;D



« Reply #52 on: September 21, 2022, 12:37 »
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i've been submitting test images from DALL-E, noting that they are computer generated - i'll post results when all are reviewed

only 10 images were submitted to AS & 6 were accepted and agencies are accepting different images

of course the real test will be whether any of these actually sell

« Reply #53 on: September 21, 2022, 12:46 »
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Getty sent an email announcing they won't be accepting these works and removing any from their image library due to concerns around copyright...

AI Generated Content

Effective immediately, Getty Images will cease to accept all submissions created using AI generative models (e.g., Stable Diffusion, Dall‑E 2, MidJourney, etc.) and prior submissions utilizing such models will be removed.

There are open questions with respect to the copyright of outputs from these models and there are unaddressed rights issues with respect to the underlying imagery and metadata used to train these models.

These changes do not prevent the submission of 3D renders and do not impact the use of digital editing tools (e.g., Photoshop, Illustrator, etc.) with respect to modifying and creating imagery

« Reply #54 on: September 21, 2022, 12:56 »
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here's a set created yesterday - i checked each of these thru tinyeye & it didnt find any similar images


SVH

« Reply #55 on: September 21, 2022, 13:30 »
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here's a set created yesterday - i checked each of these thru tinyeye & it didnt find any similar images
I have to say that at least they are of a much better quality then your own photos in your portfolio. So DALL-E might actually help you out here.
That is if agencies will not reject them or remove them eventually from your portfolio.
Good luck with that :)
« Last Edit: September 21, 2022, 13:40 by SVH »

« Reply #56 on: September 21, 2022, 13:40 »
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Since the advent of the computer in graphic design/advertising/photography there have been several waves of technological advances that have killed off various highly skilled professions. Typesetters, filmstrippers, old school photo retouchers, etc. Old jobs disappear and new ones appear. It's tough when you're on the losing end but inevitable. What is more worrying to me, is the gradual devaluing of all creative work, from music, to photography, to design. As time goes on the big Internet players seem increasingly determined to give away our work for free while making millons for themselves.

« Reply #57 on: September 21, 2022, 15:50 »
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I assume Getty and SS are only removing images which specifically state that AI has been used. 'Getty Images will rely on users to identify and report such images'
https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/21/23364696/getty-images-ai-ban-generated-artwork-illustration-copyright

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« Reply #58 on: September 21, 2022, 17:10 »
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Getty AI doesn't recognize AI = fail

« Reply #59 on: September 21, 2022, 17:57 »
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The copyright violations are blatant and they can't be hidden behind "used to train the AI".   Getty is slime, but they're smart, corporate slime.  Their business is based on this legal stuff and their lawyers know what's going on here.

« Reply #60 on: September 22, 2022, 01:08 »
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here's a set created yesterday - i checked each of these thru tinyeye & it didnt find any similar images




All of those images look terribly unrealistic. The faces seem thoroughly airbrushed of realistic wrinkles and textures. Look fake even to an untrained naked eye.

« Reply #61 on: September 22, 2022, 01:28 »
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All of those images look terribly unrealistic. The faces seem thoroughly airbrushed of realistic wrinkles and textures. Look fake even to an untrained naked eye.

Correct, but remember, its been only one month and some programs are still in beta mode.

« Reply #62 on: September 22, 2022, 03:40 »
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Correct, but remember, its been only one month and some programs are still in beta mode.

Judging by those pictures, they have a very long way to go.

« Reply #63 on: September 22, 2022, 08:49 »
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Many are happy with the AI, but when they lose some source of income because of it they won't be so excited! On the one hand, the reduction of the world population is sought, many people will be without work and they will be left over being a burden for governments.

« Reply #64 on: September 22, 2022, 09:18 »
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This sort of thing is the reason agencies are rejecting this kind of content, because someone is going to get sued for a lot of money somewhere:

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/09/artist-finds-private-medical-record-photos-in-popular-ai-training-data-set/

« Reply #65 on: September 22, 2022, 17:12 »
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here's a set created yesterday - i checked each of these thru tinyeye & it didnt find any similar images
I have to say that at least they are of a much better quality then your own photos in your portfolio. So DALL-E might actually help you out here.
That is if agencies will not reject them or remove them eventually from your portfolio.
Good luck with that :)

if you're offering unsolicited critiques, it's common courtesy to provide a link to your portfolio

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« Reply #66 on: September 22, 2022, 18:26 »
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i've been submitting test images from DALL-E, noting that they are computer generated - i'll post results when all are reviewed

only 10 images were submitted to AS & 6 were accepted and agencies are accepting different images

of course the real test will be whether any of these actually sell

That is the real question in the end. Just like someplace accepting what some people find to be terrible images and similar and trash. If they don't sell, it really doesn't effect me. Good Luck.


« Reply #67 on: September 22, 2022, 23:29 »
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Good job banning these AI images, but how do they know it was generated via AI?  How will they be going back to purge previously accepted AI imagery?

It shouldn't be that hard. If it's a real model the person submitting the image will need a model release. You can't get a model release from an AI, so no model release, no acceptance.

« Reply #68 on: September 23, 2022, 01:17 »
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We're all talking about "pure" AI generated images here, but since I'm "playing" on Midjourney (so much fun!), I can see a lot of potential for backgrounds.  It is great to be able to offer my studio clients more than the standard studio backdrops.  Midjourney makes absolutely wonderful "fairytale like" landscapes, and if I photograph a client with the right direction of lighting, I can offer her a portrait both with standard background + photoshopped into a Midjourney backdrop.  This is completely OK with Midjourney (free commercial use).


1 step further would be submitting real, model released people photos with AI backgrounds to stock agencies.  Since that is obviously not allowed by most agencies, I will not put any effort in creating these for stock, but what a pity!  So much potential lost ...

« Reply #69 on: September 23, 2022, 11:21 »
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Good job banning these AI images, but how do they know it was generated via AI?  How will they be going back to purge previously accepted AI imagery?

It shouldn't be that hard. If it's a real model the person submitting the image will need a model release. You can't get a model release from an AI, so no model release, no acceptance.

Not quite. If its a photo and contains any person, it requires a model release. My understanding is you can only submit your own work, you have to be the copyright owner. Submitting AI images you neither created it or own the copyright and therefore should not be submitting the image to the agency. End of.

If you have created a rendered illustration, you are submitting your own work, you have the copyright and I'd imagine, if it's not the case already, you will need to provided a property release stating it is your own work (inc reference material).
« Last Edit: September 23, 2022, 11:24 by HalfFull »

« Reply #70 on: September 23, 2022, 11:33 »
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Good job banning these AI images, but how do they know it was generated via AI?  How will they be going back to purge previously accepted AI imagery?

It shouldn't be that hard. If it's a real model the person submitting the image will need a model release. You can't get a model release from an AI, so no model release, no acceptance.

Not quite. If its a photo and contains any person, it requires a model release. My understanding is you can only submit your own work, you have to be the copyright owner. Submitting AI images you neither created it or own the copyright and therefore should not be submitting the image to the agency. End of.

If you have created a rendered illustration, you are submitting your own work, you have the copyright and I'd imagine, if it's not the case already, you will need to provided a property release stating it is your own work (inc reference material).

Getty isn't banning AI images. They are only banning AI created models. That's what their e-mails says. If it's a real model the person submitting the image will need a model release. If there is no model release they know it was generated via AI or the person does not have a model release. In both cases the image gets rejected. Quite easy.

« Reply #71 on: September 23, 2022, 12:22 »
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Not quite. If its a photo and contains any person, it requires a model release. My understanding is you can only submit your own work, you have to be the copyright owner. Submitting AI images you neither created it or own the copyright and therefore should not be submitting the image to the agency. End of.....
AI is just a tool, like 3D rendering and other apps that help create images. the images created with  these apps have the creator's copyright - none of the AI tools attemp.t to claim such a copyright

« Reply #72 on: September 23, 2022, 13:42 »
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AI is just a tool, like 3D rendering and other apps that help create images. the images created with  these apps have the creator's copyright - none of the AI tools attemp.t to claim such a copyright


For Midjourney that is only partially correct.  Yes, the person who types in the instructions owns the copyright and can sell the images, BUT unless you took the most expensive "private" subscription to the software (more than 50 euros per month on top of the standard subscription), every other subscriber can see, download and use your images.  And you don't have the raw format to prove they are yours ...  So yes, you absolutely have the (copy)right to sell them, but knowing that some one else can do the same thing with the same images does give an "insecure" feeling.

« Reply #73 on: September 23, 2022, 14:21 »
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« Reply #74 on: September 23, 2022, 14:55 »
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AI is just a tool, like 3D rendering and other apps that help create images. the images created with  these apps have the creator's copyright - none of the AI tools attemp.t to claim such a copyright


For Midjourney that is only partially correct.  Yes, the person who types in the instructions owns the copyright and can sell the images, BUT unless you took the most expensive "private" subscription to the software (more than 50 euros per month on top of the standard subscription), every other subscriber can see, download and use your images.  And you don't have the raw format to prove they are yours ...  So yes, you absolutely have the (copy)right to sell them, but knowing that some one else can do the same thing with the same images does give an "insecure" feeling.

i should have noted I'm using DALL-E which doesn't work that way


 

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