Author Topic: October Earnings (Read 30445 times)

Mantis · « **Reply #100 on:** November 06, 2013, 07:46 »

The last 6 months have been consistently down by 30% for me. Culprits: mostly SS & DT. It's pulling me more into video and POD. You can't push a wet noodle up hill.

tickstock · « **Reply #101 on:** November 06, 2013, 09:41 »

Ron · « **Reply #102 on:** November 06, 2013, 11:00 »

I have said it before, change your name to Thickstock, because you seem to be really dense.

tickstock · « **Reply #103 on:** November 06, 2013, 11:01 »

ShadySue · « **Reply #104 on:** November 06, 2013, 11:14 »

Oh, grief, testosterone overdose again.

Anyway, FWIW, if we're being picky, Getty sales shouldn't technically be counted as micro earnings, even if via iS. (I count them separately on the thread as they were vaunted as an 'extra', not as 'propping up iS earnings', and now there seems to be precious little chance of the plebs without 'special deals' getting anything new eligible to be transferred.)

And if mega-picky, iS is now 'claiming' to be mid-stock, despite reducing half of its files:
http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/what-is-midstock/msg347760/#msg347760
so maybe they shouldn't be reported either.

tickstock · « **Reply #105 on:** November 06, 2013, 11:25 »

MB2B · « **Reply #106 on:** November 06, 2013, 11:27 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on November 06, 2013, 07:45

Quote from: Ron on November 06, 2013, 07:41
Quote from: luissantos84 on November 06, 2013, 07:37
unimpressive? you have a 1k portfolio doing over 2k $ just at SS, guess you must be joking
I think its 1k at SS, 2k in total .

that looks like SS only, at least looking at the picture provided

Yes Luis, I mean SS alone.

But my point is that with all the metrics offered by the agencies and by the services that provide statistics, I can't even visualize the future in the medium term.

When I check my numbers I can't guess what's happen.. I can't even find a relation between monthly downloads and monthly income.

I also didn't find relation also between upload and monthly income.

The months in which I did less if any uploading, were the months in which made more money.

The months I made more uploads were the months in which earned less.

So what?

I have no idea!

But I can tell that I still believe in the formula: increase production is equal increase monthly income.

So, once again, If is possible take a lesson out of this numbers, please let me know. I would be very grateful.

YES, my numbers are unimpressive. At least for me. I'm just a photographer who works alone and hire assistant when I can't carry all the stuffs. But despite the current trend of lowering the monthly income and despite the contradictions that I found looking at my own numbers I still believe the if I produce more I will earn more.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #107 on:** November 06, 2013, 11:28 »

Quote from: tickstock on November 06, 2013, 11:25

Quote from: ShadySue on November 06, 2013, 11:14
Oh, grief, testosterone overdose again.

Anyway, FWIW, if we're being picky, Getty sales shouldn't technically be counted as micro earnings, even if via iS. (I count them separately on the thread as they were vaunted as an 'extra', not as 'propping up iS earnings', and now there seems to be precious little chance of the plebs without 'special deals' getting anything new eligible to be transferred.)

And if mega-picky, iS is now 'claiming' to be mid-stock, despite reducing half of its files:
http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/what-is-midstock/msg347760/#msg347760
so maybe they shouldn't be reported either.

There is less of line between macro and micro stock (if there ever was a real line between them), at least they are all the same category of income, income from licensing stock. POD and art are different. The person that I was asking about had nearly 50% of their 'stock' sales from non-stock sources, that's what I don't think makes sense.

actually its 27%

luissantos84 · « **Reply #108 on:** November 06, 2013, 11:31 »

you are doing just fine MB2B, I am sure you in the top 250, perhaps lower

with 1k files and averaging over 2145$/month in the last two years we are the ones that need lessons not you

tickstock · « **Reply #109 on:** November 06, 2013, 11:32 »

luissantos84 · « **Reply #110 on:** November 06, 2013, 11:35 »

Quote from: tickstock on November 06, 2013, 11:32

Quote from: luissantos84 on November 06, 2013, 11:28
Quote from: tickstock on November 06, 2013, 11:25
Quote from: ShadySue on November 06, 2013, 11:14
Oh, grief, testosterone overdose again.

Anyway, FWIW, if we're being picky, Getty sales shouldn't technically be counted as micro earnings, even if via iS. (I count them separately on the thread as they were vaunted as an 'extra', not as 'propping up iS earnings', and now there seems to be precious little chance of the plebs without 'special deals' getting anything new eligible to be transferred.)

And if mega-picky, iS is now 'claiming' to be mid-stock, despite reducing half of its files:
http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/what-is-midstock/msg347760/#msg347760
so maybe they shouldn't be reported either.

There is less of line between macro and micro stock (if there ever was a real line between them), at least they are all the same category of income, income from licensing stock. POD and art are different. The person that I was asking about had nearly 50% of their 'stock' sales from non-stock sources, that's what I don't think makes sense.

actually its 27%

Right, unless some of those other sites are not stock sites. I don't know about some of the sites listed.

Redbubble but 0%

tickstock · « **Reply #111 on:** November 06, 2013, 11:39 »

MB2B · « **Reply #112 on:** November 06, 2013, 11:52 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on November 06, 2013, 11:31

you are doing just fine MB2B, I am sure you in the top 250, perhaps lower

with 1k files and averaging over 2145$/month in the last two years we are the ones that need lessons not you

it seems there was a bug and the same picture came several times ..
I guess I'm not in a position to teach anything. Really. But I'm glad to share our experiences.

I not even sure if there is trend of lowering the monthly income. As I wrote I would be very, very happy if you guys could share some thoughts about the relation between upload and income...

Luis, I appreciate your kindness in answering. Thanks.

hjalmeida · « **Reply #113 on:** November 06, 2013, 12:05 »

MB2B the outstanding in your numbers is the stability of your income trough the two years, this must be from the quality of your work, ... I don't want to warm you but ... the agencies change their best match times to times ... And when that happen you will see if your portfolio is truly bullet prove.

And yes, you must have consistent upload ... I think all best match have this in their algoritm.

Ron · « **Reply #114 on:** November 06, 2013, 12:12 »

Just be warned that providing such details numbers and screenshots is against SS TOS. Just saying. And what you have achieved with 1k images, is unbelievable. You must have brilliant images. Are you a vector artist or illustrator?

sobm · « **Reply #115 on:** November 07, 2013, 00:08 »

in only 2 years, you got over 2k from ss... wow... that's called ahievement not bad luck..hehe

and you got alot sod ,od and el on the dls percentage, your rpd is great, wow..i think the illustrators aint got such high rpd!

MB2B · « **Reply #116 on:** November 09, 2013, 02:05 »

Quote from: Ron on November 06, 2013, 12:12

Just be warned that providing such details numbers and screenshots is against SS TOS. Just saying. And what you have achieved with 1k images, is unbelievable. You must have brilliant images. Are you a vector artist or illustrator?

Ron, I have no idea about that. Sad, I shared these pictures with the hope to help us understand a little better our industry. Is it possible to delete them? Anyway I am very grateful for your advice.

By the way, I am a photographer. I work alone. I hire one or two assistants when I cant carry it all myself. I wish my budget would allow me to hire a larger number of assistants, models and extras. ☺

Dear hjalmeida, about their algorithms, I am not sure about how this works. I did not find a strong relation between downloads and monthly income. Perhaps both my numbers as the estimated period are very small. The fluctuation in the number of downloads (around 200) may also have been negligible. Like I said, I suck with statistics.

But a greater or smaller number of on demand, enhanced, and single & others downloads had a huge impact on my earnings. It would be great if there was some way to predict these kind of downloads.

Hopefully increasing the portfolio will be a synonym of increasing the monthly income. Cause that is what I plan to do.

It would be great if the production of this months helps minimize my usual bad performance on the next quarter (December, January and February).

heywoody · « **Reply #117 on:** November 09, 2013, 06:04 »

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on November 06, 2013, 03:34

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In any case, it doesn't matter, because what is important is the ratio of the numbers to each other. It's probably about right to say that for indes SS generates about four times the income of DT and 2.5x that of iS, while exclusivity still seems to be slightly more profitable than independence.

In a nutshell - this is the essential point.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #118 on:** November 09, 2013, 18:15 »

You're no fun. People want to nit pick, argue and debate, even when they are making it up.

Yes I agree, it's relative earnings and according to the way it's constructed 100 = $500. And I might add, MB2B Nice Work!

Might also add, it's pretty straight forward. Work more make more. People need to stop micro analyzing short term, hours, days or even months after adding new files, or not add anything. It's the tortoise and the Hare. Slow but steady wins.

Kind of like wanting to know the meaning of life. The agencies are constantly changing and arranging things. If you think you have it figured out, it's probably not the same as it was when you came to that conclusion. Trying to understand something with all the uncontrolled variables, plus the agency testing and tuning, will make someone crazy. But here's the evidence... read the forums and what people claim is FACT about searches, sales trends, best match, keywords or anything else.

Most of it is just an educated guess. And some aren't even that.

Quote from: heywoody on November 09, 2013, 06:04

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on November 06, 2013, 03:34
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In any case, it doesn't matter, because what is important is the ratio of the numbers to each other. It's probably about right to say that for indes SS generates about four times the income of DT and 2.5x that of iS, while exclusivity still seems to be slightly more profitable than independence.

In a nutshell - this is the essential point.

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