Author Topic: Photoshop magazine want my image....need opinion? (Read 14935 times)

cybernesco · « **on:** February 11, 2009, 16:09 »

I guys, I recently received the following email and just need your opinion. Should I ask for money? Should they buy it through Istock? Is the publicity generated would be worthwhile not to ask for a fee? Anybody here familiar with Photoshop Creative magazine? Thank you this is really appreciated.

"

Hi Denis,
Hope you are well. Great collection of images by the way, we're particularly interested in one of your blonde models (see attached), which we've seen both on iStock and you
personal website.
I'm the editor of Photoshop Creative magazine, which teaches readers how to use Photoshop with a range of tutorials.
We're planning a tutorial on how to use the background eraser tool in Photoshop - using your photograph as the starting image. Ideally we'd love to put this image on the accompanying disc so that readers can attempt the tutorial for themselves. Would you grant us permission for us to use this image (a small low-res version is fine) in this way in the UK and foreign version of the magazine? We've done this before with other iStock photographers and get permission from Megan at iStock too. Obviously we'll credit you and publish your istock link (or your personal website link - whatever you prefer) and post you a copy of the magazine too.

Let me know if this is okay with you?

Best wishes

Rosie : )

Rosie Tanner
Editor
Photoshop Creative
Imagine Publishing Ltd
Richmond House
33 Richmond Hill
Bournemouth
BH2 6EZ
( (01202) 586275
+ [email protected]

www.photoshopcreative.co.uk
www.imagine-publishing.co.uk
www.imagineshop.co.uk
ImaginePodcasts.com

Imagine Publishing Ltd, Richmond House, 33 Richmond Hill, Bournemouth, Dorset BH2 6EZ
Registered company 5374037 (England): VAT No 864 6042 18
Directors: Damian Butt, Steven Boyd, Mark Kendrick, Harry Dhand, Andrew Hartley, Sam Watkinson

"

The photo in question can be seen through the following link:

http://www.usefulimage.com/gallery/4245759#253688903_ybUkR

Denis

MatHayward · « **Reply #1 on:** February 11, 2009, 16:16 »

Hi Denis,

That is great news. Congratulations! I had a similar thing happen with Popular Photography magazine. Because redistributing your image violates the contract they need special permission from you to do so. In my case, they got permission from me beforehand then purchased the photo through Fotolia.

Hard to say if you should ask for more than a simple license sale. That's your call. My concern would be they would say forget it as I'm sure many other photogs would be happy to have their image used this way.

Mat

madelaide · « **Reply #2 on:** February 11, 2009, 16:20 »

I understand the issue here is distributing the image in their CDs - buying the image for the magazine would be cheap for them. Reading IS terms, I think the credit to IS and yourself is mandatory in editorial use (hmm, I didn't know that).

If this is a popular magazine, it may work as publicity for you, so maybe you can try to negotiate a small space to say who you are and a link to your website?

Regards,
Adelaide

stormchaser · « **Reply #3 on:** February 11, 2009, 16:20 »

No pay, no play is my opinion. Sorry but a credit line isn't worth the paper it's printed on and doesn't help pay your bills. Just getting tired of all the "can we use your image?" stuff with the vendor going under the assumption that the image would be free.

Get at least some nominal fee. They probably won't offer, so you can reply with, Sure, my license fee is XX dollars.. This way, you're not feeling stupid while sheepishly trying to feel them out on a payment policy.

Pixart · « **Reply #4 on:** February 11, 2009, 16:42 »

Quote from: stormchaser on February 11, 2009, 16:20

No pay, no play is my opinion.

I have to say I agree.

gostwyck · « **Reply #5 on:** February 11, 2009, 16:44 »

Quote from: stormchaser on February 11, 2009, 16:20

No pay, no play is my opinion. Sorry but a credit line isn't worth the paper it's printed on and doesn't help pay your bills. Just getting tired of all the "can we use your image?" stuff with the vendor going under the assumption that the image would be free.

Is the right answer. I think you'll find they charge plenty of money for the magazine itself and also to advertise within it. Imagine Publishing are a substantial commercial outfit.

It should be an EL at least being as they are giving away thousands of copies of the image on a DVD and God knows where they'll end up.

sharply_done · « **Reply #6 on:** February 11, 2009, 16:57 »

Quote from: stormchaser on February 11, 2009, 16:20

No pay, no play is my opinion.

Yep, that's right.
It is highly unlikely you will get increased business, prestige, or more exposure from this magazine using your image.

cybernesco · « **Reply #7 on:** February 11, 2009, 17:10 »

Thank you all for your responses. You are a great group of people!!!! Thank you Leaf for this site. This is amazing the quick and informed replies!!!

I just sent the following reply:

Hello Rosie,

Thank you for your consideration. Yes of course you can use the image as mention in your email as long as you download it as an "extended license" from the Istock website and abide by Istock conditions and agreed terms. In addition, I wish to have my image credited and linked to my Istock Portfolio. http://www.istockphoto.com/user_view.php?id=561817. As well, I would certainly like to have a copy of the magazine.

This is excellent..thank you again

Denis Pepin
[email protected]

Denis

Gregor909 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 11, 2009, 20:08 »

I don't agree with the above statements!
This is free advertisement, I would do it right away! I think you will see a huge increase in sales after they publish the magazine.
I know that magazine, it's clearly stated that readers cannot use the images on the cd for commercial purposes.
But I see you already replied. Lets hope they don't skip your image and ask somebody else.

Oh and besides, great image and beautiful model!

e-person · « **Reply #9 on:** February 12, 2009, 04:48 »

If they want to use them, they should pay a EL licence.
Microstock is already ridiculously priced that giving away free photos is like shooting themselves in the foot.
It is the amateurish naif behaviour of giving away free images for exposure that contributes to the low recognition photography has as a job, other than for the few very famous ones. Also those that insist in calling themselves artists. Artists are poor and bad at business by definition.
Nobody will remember either you or your photos, few days after publication.
So get paid, at least.

Perry · « **Reply #10 on:** February 12, 2009, 04:54 »

This is about writing, but it's still basically about the same thing:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj5IV23g-fE" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj5IV23g-fE</a>

Microbius · « **Reply #11 on:** February 12, 2009, 05:27 »

Quote from: stormchaser on February 11, 2009, 16:20

No pay, no play is my opinion.

Yep, that was the right way to go. OP, like the tone of your reply too.
The credit line is worthless.
I can't believe that people still try to worm out of coughing up a fee. The point of micro is that it makes it affordable for everyone to buy images and use them.

louoates · « **Reply #12 on:** February 12, 2009, 12:40 »

Even my relatives offer some payment. Rosie is looking for a freebie, that's all. She probably has a dozen similar emails out there. First fish to bite gets to be taken advantage of. The credit line is just the worm on the hook.

cybernesco · « **Reply #13 on:** February 12, 2009, 13:08 »

Quote from: Perry on February 12, 2009, 04:54

This is about writing, but it's still basically about the same thing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj5IV23g-fE

Thanks for sharing this video...as well as being right this guy is funny and highly entertaining to watch. My wife and I had a great laugh.

Denis

sharply_done · « **Reply #14 on:** February 12, 2009, 13:16 »

Quote from: Gregor909 on February 11, 2009, 20:08

I don't agree with the above statements!
This is free advertisement, I would do it right away! I think you will see a huge increase in sales after they publish the magazine.
...

If you truly believe this you should be proactive and offer your images for free use in exchange for a credit mention:
1. Send emails with image thumbnails to every photography-related magazine editor you can think of.
2. Post full resolution images on Flickr, Stoc.xchng and like sites.
3. Regularly 'donate' your images on 123RF.

Yes, you'll surely see a worthwhile increase in your income ... not!

gostwyck · « **Reply #15 on:** February 12, 2009, 13:34 »

Quote from: cybernesco on February 11, 2009, 17:10

Thank you all for your responses. You are a great group of people!!!! Thank you Leaf for this site. This is amazing the quick and informed replies!!!

Let us know how you get on and what happens next.

Thanks Perry __ Great video link!

Gregor909 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 12, 2009, 13:46 »

Quote from: sharply_done on February 12, 2009, 13:16

Quote from: Gregor909 on February 11, 2009, 20:08
I don't agree with the above statements!
This is free advertisement, I would do it right away! I think you will see a huge increase in sales after they publish the magazine.
...

If you truly believe this you should be proactive and offer your images for free use in exchange for a credit mention:
1. Send emails with image thumbnails to every photography-related magazine editor you can think of.
2. Post full resolution images on Flickr, Stoc.xchng and like sites.
3. Regularly 'donate' your images on 123RF.

Yes, you'll surely see a worthwhile increase in your income ... not!

That's true on all the sites you mentioned, but did you ever read that magazine? Its in all the bookstores here in the Netherlands', so probably it's sold in the rest of Europe as well.
All those readers are gonna see your work. What do you think it costs to put an ad in that magazine?!

Microbius · « **Reply #17 on:** February 12, 2009, 15:25 »

He could/ would still get a credit line if they paid for the photo. If your work's good enough you'll get the publicity from legit sales. There is just no excuse for not coming up with the fee.

sharply_done · « **Reply #18 on:** February 12, 2009, 15:28 »

Quote from: Gregor909 on February 12, 2009, 13:46

That's true on all the sites you mentioned, but did you ever read that magazine? Its in all the bookstores here in the Netherlands', so probably it's sold in the rest of Europe as well.
All those readers are gonna see your work. What do you think it costs to put an ad in that magazine?!

Yes, I have seen that magazine. It's target audience is amateurs who want to improve their Photoshop skills, not designers or photo editors or anyone else who regularly purchases generic stock imagery (e.g. attractive woman on white background), which is why it makes no sense to give them an image to them for free.

If you give your work away you have to be at least partly sure you're getting something of value for it. When I did portrait work I had my imagery used as textbook examples in a popular book on portrait photography, which paid off big-time when it came to wooing clients. I was recently approached for a credit-mention-only cover shot on an obscure industry standard magazine, which I turned down because a placement there will not likely lead to increased business.

Going one step further, I have been approached like the OP has, and I've sometimes been able to negotiate a private RF license of a customized image. Instead of giving them his blessings to license the image from IS as an EL, I think the OP should have offered a private deal at the same price the buyer would have paid IS.

graficallyminded · « **Reply #19 on:** February 12, 2009, 15:41 »

say fi hunnit dollah.

if they say no...

say fee hunnit dollah

if they say no...

say wun hunnit dollah

if they say no...

say they can have it if it goes on the cover and if they send you a free t shirt

LOL

People are hitting the "ignore" button like crazy on me after this post.

madelaide · « **Reply #20 on:** February 12, 2009, 15:58 »

I don't think the magazine said they would not pay for the image, but even with an EL they would not be allowed to distribute it in their magazine, therefore the request, and for the benefit of a promotion this extra allowance may not be a bad idea. The credit to the photographer isn't however an extra: IS requires (do all?) that images used for editorial purposes are credited to the agency and the photographer's.

Cybernesco, have you got a reply from them?

Regards,
Adelaide

Graffoto · « **Reply #21 on:** February 12, 2009, 16:45 »

I picked up an issue of said periodical once.
Read it in half an hour and found nothing very useful.

The COVER image had been taken from one of those 'free' European stock sites. It had been heavily modified, as that was the selling point of the issue...How to turn an ordinary portrait into a fantasy image.

At any rate, no way would I let them have an image for free, and certainly an EL would be in order. This magazine is distributed all over the world it appears.

Magnum · « **Reply #22 on:** February 12, 2009, 18:27 »

The amount of cash we´re talking here is so ridiculously low, so why don´t take a chance and see if the publicity will generate anything...

Gregor909 · « **Reply #23 on:** February 12, 2009, 18:32 »

Yes I agree, it's a magazine for amateurs.
But that's the largest market.
I think you people underestimate how many amateurs buy stock images!
I have had more then once buyers whining about my images ,through sitemail and comments (Istock) because my seamless vectors have a gradient. Professionals know how to remove a gradient in a few clicks.

There are amateurs and hobbyists who buy stock. I don't know how many, but maybe a lott more than we ever imagined!

cybernesco · « **Reply #24 on:** February 12, 2009, 18:55 »

Quote from: Magnum on February 12, 2009, 18:27

The amount of cash we´re talking here is so ridiculously low, so why don´t take a chance and see if the publicity will generate anything...

Look at this guy on the following link...he made it to the cover page of TIME magazine last May 30th, 2008

http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38865&start=0

Now look at his number of downloads at Istock since 2006:

http://www.istockphoto.com/user_view.php?id=1018321

and look at the number of downloads from the same photo that appeared on the front cover of TIME magazine:

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/concepts-and-ideas/frustration/5813310-unhappy-infant.php?id=5813310

Do I need to say more....

Denis

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