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« Reply #75 on: October 02, 2008, 17:32 »
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Oboy - two other contributors reported this problem and I got a report back from the developers that this was resolved.... clearly not!

1.  Thanks for reporting it

2.  What's your username?  (you can email me with those details if you prefer)

Thanks,

Tom <at> vivozoom.com


« Reply #76 on: October 21, 2008, 15:13 »
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One month later...

I uploaded a test batch 3 weeks ago. I had to copypaste the IPTC keywords since they weren't accepted during upload. Then I suddenly couldn't log in any more. My passport copy was expired so I sent a recent copy. Still couldn't log in.

Used the "forgot password" option and that worked, but I still couldn't log in. Forgot all till today when I got a reminder. Seems that they accept a 13-character password but it doesn't work (without warning) but a 6-character password does.

Uploaded 2 batches of 10, one by FTP, one by the HTML form. The FTP-ed shots don't show up, the HTML-uploaded do, but the IPTC keywords are still not imported. It's not a question of separators since I used both 1-line comma-separated keywords and newline separated keywords with the same result (no import).
LO had the same problem end of 2006, but they eventually solved it. I fill in the IPTC with Irfanview.

Anybody submitting to Vivo and had the same problems?

« Reply #77 on: October 21, 2008, 15:36 »
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I sent a 1000 on a DVD and uploaded another 700 or so. All seems to be working well. Some have been accepted another 1100 or so in Pending queue. The only complaint I have is with attaching releases. the mouse over feature causes a large thumbnail to obscure the button you are trying to click sometimes. I also wish there was a batch release attachment tool like Crestock. Every click we don't have to do is time saved and makes for a happier contributer.


« Reply #78 on: October 26, 2008, 12:20 »
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Flemishdreams...  we uploaded a new release of code last week which contained a bug in IPTC extraction.  Ironically, it was a change to the code to implement your excellent suggestion to honor a "newline" as a valid leyword separator in imbedded IPTC data.

The bug has been fixed and we ran a routine to (hopefully) identify all images that were affected and correct them.  If you're still having issues please post here or send me an email and I'll investigate immediately.

The 13 character password issue is also being re-worked.  We are extending it to 20 characters and are going to limit the number of characters that can be supplied as a password on registration.

Thanks for spotting these bugs and suggesting improvements.

tom <at> vivozoom.com


One month later...

I uploaded a test batch 3 weeks ago. I had to copypaste the IPTC keywords since they weren't accepted during upload. Then I suddenly couldn't log in any more. My passport copy was expired so I sent a recent copy. Still couldn't log in.

Used the "forgot password" option and that worked, but I still couldn't log in. Forgot all till today when I got a reminder. Seems that they accept a 13-character password but it doesn't work (without warning) but a 6-character password does.

Uploaded 2 batches of 10, one by FTP, one by the HTML form. The FTP-ed shots don't show up, the HTML-uploaded do, but the IPTC keywords are still not imported. It's not a question of separators since I used both 1-line comma-separated keywords and newline separated keywords with the same result (no import).
LO had the same problem end of 2006, but they eventually solved it. I fill in the IPTC with Irfanview.

Anybody submitting to Vivo and had the same problems?

« Reply #79 on: October 26, 2008, 12:24 »
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Oboy.... emails now being sent out with a valid origin address of noreply <at> vivozoom.com.

Thanks for the suggestion.  Sorry it took so long.

Tom

oboy..  thanks for spotting this.

Have asked the developers for their view on this.  I originally liked the idea of no logical address so that if anyone hit "reply" (not noticing that it was not an attended email box) their email would not get sent (rather than sending one and not getting reply thus thinking we were ignoring them).

I'll get back to you on this and thanks for the suggestion!

Tom

« Reply #80 on: October 26, 2008, 12:41 »
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Zeus - we have a batch release attachment tool.  It's not in a good enough shape just yet to put it on the contributor web site, but if you upload your images and releases and send me a spreadsheet with three columns:  imagefilename modelreleases propertyreleases (releases being comma separated) I'll auto attach them for you.  Same for anyone else who has a large number of images.

Tom


I sent a 1000 on a DVD and uploaded another 700 or so. All seems to be working well. Some have been accepted another 1100 or so in Pending queue. The only complaint I have is with attaching releases. the mouse over feature causes a large thumbnail to obscure the button you are trying to click sometimes. I also wish there was a batch release attachment tool like Crestock. Every click we don't have to do is time saved and makes for a happier contributer.



« Reply #81 on: October 27, 2008, 07:08 »
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Flemishdreams...  we uploaded a new release of code last week which contained a bug in IPTC extraction.  Ironically, it was a change to the code to implement your excellent suggestion to honor a "newline" as a valid leyword separator in imbedded IPTC data.


Hahaha, yes, I found out this week that the IPTC extraction worked. The reason for the "newline" is that it seems to be universal amongst sites, and also Flickr. I have a (free!) tool online in js that also allows to experiment with separators and sites tend to vary. IPTC extraction can be a mess. From the time I was Coppermine contributor, I remember writing php mods to cope with the way Irfanview and Adobe save IPTC. It took late UnluckyOliver weeks to figure out.

The current problem is that some FTP batches
seem to vanish in the hayes
.

And the MRF module... well, nobody beats CutCaster on that ;-).... yet.

« Reply #82 on: October 27, 2008, 10:07 »
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Flemishdreams .. yes ... you have 10 images that have not been transferred to the MANAGE area.  The only thing I can see that's common to all of these images is multiple spaces in the file name.  Could be another bug. 

I've asked our tech team to take a look and I'll get back to you when resolved. 

Many thanks for pointing this out...

Tom

« Reply #83 on: October 27, 2008, 16:32 »
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Tom, My image "El Capitan" is two times in the approved image list. I don't see anywhere a possibility for me to delete one of them. Please can you take care of this for me?

rinderart

« Reply #84 on: October 27, 2008, 23:05 »
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Tom, Thanks for inviting Me and my work. i'll wait till the bugs are worked out with my 5000+ Images. and 3000 model releases.

« Reply #85 on: October 28, 2008, 04:09 »
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Tom, My image "El Capitan" is two times in the approved image list. I don't see anywhere a possibility for me to delete one of them. Please can you take care of this for me?

Will do..

Tom

« Reply #86 on: October 28, 2008, 04:50 »
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Laurin.. thanks for the post.   Hope to see your images soon. 

Thanks also for all the great advice earlier this year.

Tom

Tom, Thanks for inviting Me and my work. i'll wait till the bugs are worked out with my 5000+ Images. and 3000 model releases.

« Reply #87 on: October 28, 2008, 07:12 »
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The only thing I can see that's common to all of these images is multiple spaces in the file name.  Could be another bug. 

It's not a matter of multiple spaces. YAY had this too in the beginning and they solved it by UTF-8 on the server since for some reason some of the spaces are non-standard or non-breakable. It only happened under an older version of XP while renaming in the file explorer of whatever Bill calls the good old File Manager these days.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2008, 07:17 by FlemishDreams »

« Reply #88 on: October 31, 2008, 11:20 »
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Hi Tom -

I really, really like being able to just drag a folder of images into my ftp client and upload mass quantities at a time but on the other end there is enough of a time lag after hitting "submit" that I sometimes think my computer has locked up or your servers are down or something.  I mean with my 20,000+ images and 3 million model releases (yeah, lots of people in each of those shots) I may have to wait until all the bugs are worked out  - oh no, wait, I guess it's more like about 1,000 images that would meet your site's high quality standards - so I'm getting there.  Looking forward to having all my portfolio available for you whenever this site goes live.  Any new projections or updates on when that's going to happen?

Ken

« Reply #89 on: October 31, 2008, 11:42 »
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OK - I'm with Rinder on this too - I hope you'll streamline the model release attachment process. That combined with some slow server issues is going to make uploading and submitting even my measly little portfolio a bit tedious.

However, I really appreciate the tremendous response we're getting from you and your team to our ideas and site problems.

Ken

rinderart

« Reply #90 on: November 03, 2008, 00:45 »
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OK - I'm with Rinder on this too - I hope you'll streamline the model release attachment process. That combined with some slow server issues is going to make uploading and submitting even my measly little portfolio a bit tedious.

However, I really appreciate the tremendous response we're getting from you and your team to our ideas and site problems.

Ken

I'll second That. All new sites are very "Talky" at the beginning. I'll add more tomorrow.

rinderart

« Reply #91 on: November 03, 2008, 14:26 »
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hey Tom, As you know I've been around the block a few times But, One thing is clear and I mentioned it to you when we talked a year ago.
                                            "The site that makes uploading easy will be the winner in Everyones Minds."  I don't know if your a submitter But, For those of us that take this seriously, It is by far the most tedious thing we do and the most cost effective thing we do.

                                              I have approx 6200 useable Images that I scatter around the top sites depending On what subject matter sells best for them and me.Certain Euro sites sell My Landscapes and Not My Lifestyle stuff, Others sell Only my older work but not my new stuff etc,etc. I really did an enormous amount of research on this for my own work and works quite well for me and highly recommend others look into it, Especially folks with large Portfolios. The old "Work smarter not harder' routine.

                                                Since I joined this business, I count 29 sites that I uploaded to, All Im sure had the best intentions to be the next "Biggest thing"  90% of them are no longer or just a waste of time. I sincerely Hope you understand The time invested in this and the weeks,Months down the drain Uploading that could have been used more cost effectively on our Part.

                                                 So, For myself personnally, I must wait a while till I see some reaction regarding Sales and Bug Issues and Most of all a Flawless FTP system and a Flawless Bulk MR system. doing one at a time just wont work with 4000 Model shots. It can be done as you know as there are some sites that have it in Place.

                                                 I know, You want as many Images as possible as a startup, But  Like I said a year ago...Please don't fall into the trap of accepting sub par work Just to get Numbers, That affects all of us, More than you know.

                                                 So, Tom in conclusion, My very Best Luck goes out to you and this Venture, We need another good site badly and your off to a good start by communicating with folks, I would suggest a blog or forum on your site to answer questions as well.

                                                  A lot of us are watching and talking and were pulling for you and want this to happen. Good Luck My Friend and say Hello to Lawrence.

                                                     Best, Laurin 


Microbius

« Reply #92 on: November 04, 2008, 04:18 »
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hey Tom, As you know I've been around the block a few times But, One thing is clear and I mentioned it to you when we talked a year ago.
                                            "The site that makes uploading easy will be the winner in Everyones Minds."  I don't know if your a submitter But, For those of us that take this seriously, It is by far the most tedious thing we do and the most cost effective thing we do.
                                        

Clearly, that's why IStock is doing so badly and YAY is doing so well
« Last Edit: November 04, 2008, 07:33 by Microbius »

« Reply #93 on: November 04, 2008, 08:56 »
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Ken - use of smileys here and there might help me!

At present, we are adding images dynamically to the database.   This causes a "re-indexing" of the image-keyword table.  As the site gets more images, the delay in re-indexing is what you're seeing.  It's getting close to the tipping point where we'll have to re-index offline in batch mode.

In terms of go-live, I haven't a date right now... it's very dependent on having a reasonable selection of results for common keyword searches.  The quality (as you would expect with our approach) is extraordinarily high. 

Thanks for the very constructive feedback.   This board is one of the best.

Tom

Hi Tom -

I really, really like being able to just drag a folder of images into my ftp client and upload mass quantities at a time but on the other end there is enough of a time lag after hitting "submit" that I sometimes think my computer has locked up or your servers are down or something.  I mean with my 20,000+ images and 3 million model releases (yeah, lots of people in each of those shots) I may have to wait until all the bugs are worked out  - oh no, wait, I guess it's more like about 1,000 images that would meet your site's high quality standards - so I'm getting there.  Looking forward to having all my portfolio available for you whenever this site goes live.  Any new projections or updates on when that's going to happen?

Ken

« Reply #94 on: November 04, 2008, 09:05 »
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Laurin.. thanks for advice as always.

As mentioned previously, we can auto-attach releases in bulk, but it's a back office tool and it's not ready for general consumption.  Just upload the images via FTP (drag and drop a complete folder and and subfolders) and send me a spreadsheet and I'll do the rest.

It's clearly an area where we need to do much more work.  I'll work on a web-interface for this tool and get back to you when we've made some progress.

Thanks for taking the time to comment.

Tom


hey Tom, As you know I've been around the block a few times But, One thing is clear and I mentioned it to you when we talked a year ago.
                                            "The site that makes uploading easy will be the winner in Everyones Minds."  I don't know if your a submitter But, For those of us that take this seriously, It is by far the most tedious thing we do and the most cost effective thing we do.

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                                                     Best, Laurin 

« Reply #95 on: November 04, 2008, 11:39 »
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Just an idea... The easiest and best web tool to attach MRs to uploaded images is the one 123RF has. It's worth the time to check it. I wish all agency would have the same.

« Reply #96 on: November 04, 2008, 12:25 »
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Thanks for the info Valaaami..

Tom

Just an idea... The easiest and best web tool to attach MRs to uploaded images is the one 123RF has. It's worth the time to check it. I wish all agency would have the same.

« Reply #97 on: November 04, 2008, 15:11 »
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Just an idea... The easiest and best web tool to attach MRs to uploaded images is the one 123RF has. It's worth the time to check it. I wish all agency would have the same.

Have you tried crestock?  I like theirs better.

« Reply #98 on: November 04, 2008, 16:20 »
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Leaf - am extremely interested in folks views of which one is best.  Each seems to have their favourite but I had a vision of a "non-proprietary" system that could be used across microstock sites.

The simple interface I had in mind (and indeed have built and used on one of the top shooter's collection) is a simple CSV file (a very portable, non-proprietary format) that lists the relationship between images and their releases.  This is fed into the bulk-attach script which then pairs releases with images, issuing any error reports (missing images, missing releases).

This worked like a dream.  I'm reluctant to build a system that only works with vivozoom. I'd spoken to a few shooters whose workflow included such a CSV table.  But it's clear that few others maintain their releas-to-image relationships in this format.

Tom


Just an idea... The easiest and best web tool to attach MRs to uploaded images is the one 123RF has. It's worth the time to check it. I wish all agency would have the same.

Have you tried crestock?  I like theirs better.

« Reply #99 on: November 04, 2008, 16:36 »
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Yeah, i don't know any microstock shooter who keeps track of their releases that way.  If no one allready has that typed in, it would be a LOT of work to get it all set just for one site.

typing the image names of thousands of images and then typing which model releases follow along sounds like a daunting task.

It would be easier to be able to upload 200 images then click a button and say 'attach all 200 images with release X' ... submit

2 clicks and releases for 200 images are done.


 

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