If you are a pro stocker and make a fulltime income from it, then it is better to upload to your own ports.

But for stock newbies and everyone struggling with english, this is a very fair offer.

Other agencies take 50% for distribution and don�t do your keywording for you.

I think they have etsablished a useful service. Nobody is forced to use them.

I see you are from xpics

I haven�t tried your service or stock submitter yet. Maybe I should.

I have 22 files on wirestock and two sales. too little to really have an opinion, but I like their workspace.

Unfortunately they are not connected to stockperformer. So it is better to supply agencies directly.

If you are a pro stocker and make a fulltime income from it, then it is better to upload to your own ports.

But for stock newbies and everyone struggling with english, this is a very fair offer.

Other agencies take 50% for distribution and don�t do your keywording for you.

I think they have etsablished a useful service. Nobody is forced to use them.

It's an extra fee on top though. The agencies will still be taking the same cuts on top.

Anyone noticed they are not uploading files to microstock sites from last few days/weeks. Even on many mails, there is no proper answer/ explanation for this. I am getting some same useless answer everytime.

If you notice their portfolios on microstock sites, not a single file is increasing.

If you are a pro stocker and make a fulltime income from it, then it is better to upload to your own ports.

But for stock newbies and everyone struggling with english, this is a very fair offer.

I agree and I come to the similar conclusions in the blogpost. The only point is if you are newbie, being in the higher royalty rate will hardly make a huge difference for you financially (think you will earn $10/month instead of $4 per month). But if you have larger portfolio then you also do not need Wirestock.

WS takes all the stress from me for uploading. I make more with them than I did as a solo submitter. I read the TOS beforehand (as I do for every agency I sign up with), so I knew what I was getting into and therefore most of the points in the blog article don't apply to me. Its not for everyone, but it is for me.

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all the stress from me for uploading

Honestly would be much interested to hear more about it! What stress do you have with uploading? If you do not want to share here, please DM me. Thanks!

i have no stress -- but captioning, tagging is most time consuming part of stock for me, so my main reason to use WS is because they do the work.

edited to add: this is new: techcrunch.com/2022/07/01/wirestock-getty/

So again? Wasn't iStock one of the first partners of Wirestock in the beginning?
I remember it was, but they were dropped pretty soon (think because of the complex keywording system iStock uses, might be wrong here)

Quote from: Roscoe on July 04, 2022, 12:01

Quote from: farbled on July 04, 2022, 11:02

edited to add: this is new: techcrunch.com/2022/07/01/wirestock-getty/

So again? Wasn't iStock one of the first partners of Wirestock in the beginning?
I remember it was, but they were dropped pretty soon (think because of the complex keywording system iStock uses, might be wrong here)

Looks like they figured something out. I havent seen any other info yet.

Yeah, they were originally one of the agencies, then not and now?

Dear Peter,

We've got some special news for you!

Wirestock is happy to announce the start of our collaboration with Getty Images�a huge marketplace you can now sell on.
Please note that we will now be submitting all your content to iStock and Getty Images. If you would not like your portfolio to be submitted to iStock or Getty Images or you already have images that are published there, please let us know by replying to this email before July 12th.

We are happy to have you as a Wirestock creator.

Sincerely yours,
Team Wirestock

Is special anywhere as good as exciting?

Meanwhile, no more ESP no more complicated uploading, I'm putting everything IS in from WS from now on.

And for you, I suppose this will just be automatic added income, if you closed all your "other" and personal accounts?

Wirestock is a US-based venture-capital business

They're an Armenian-based business... just so you know.

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Wirestock is a US-based venture-capital business

They're an Armenian-based business... just so you know.

They run their business from Armenia, but the legal HQ, just a mailbox I assume, is located in San Jose.
Funding by venture capital companies like 2048 Ventures, Vulcan Capital, Angelsdeck or S7V (and others)

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Wirestock is a US-based venture-capital business

They're an Armenian-based business... just so you know.

They run their business from Armenia, but the legal HQ, just a mailbox I assume, is located in San Jose.
Funding by venture capital companies like 2048 Ventures, Vulcan Capital, Angelsdeck or S7V (and others)

Interesting because of the past interview, I thought they were actually where they are. No wonder the TOS say laws of California

But soon, long review times started to annoy me, and also that I didn't know if my images were accepted or rejected by the different agencies. There were also some strange rejections by Wirestock. And it could take weeks from an image was accepted by Wirestock, till it showed up at for example Shutterstock.

I agree

I wrote Wirestock that they had not lived up to their own "Terms of Use" and that I now wanted to terminate my account, which they agreed to to do.

So, now I just hope that they will live up to the 120 days that they need according to their "Terms of Use" when it comes to termination of an account.

Why would they not? Did you read the TOS when you joined?

But I have tried Wirestock now, and it's not for me. Guess I prefer to be more in control at each agency.

True and more control is better sometimes for some people

This is supposed to be a business and all of us need to read the TOS and contracts that we sign, before we join a site. Those Instant Pay files are forever. That's one time, one pay, the people who paid for that, have the rights FOREVER. Be careful what you select for that program, or opt in.

You may request that Wirestock remove Content that you have previously uploaded to Wirestock. You must make this request in writing to the following email address: [email protected]. Once Wirestock receives your request in accordance with this provision, Wirestock shall have 90 days to remove all your Content hosted by content marketplaces so long as you have uploaded to Wirestock no more than 100 items of Content. For each additional 100 items of Content, Wirestock shall have an additional 30 days to remove all your Content. For example, if you have uploaded 350 items of Content to Wirestock, then Wirestock shall have 150 days to remove all your Content.

The same applies to termination.

From the OP: (as long as I'm going on and on)

Wirestock is a US-based venture-capital business currently having only seed investments. By definition, they were not founded to help contributors, but to increase investors� returns. Wirestock cannot change the buyer interaction, as it�s the job of the agencies themselves. The only revenue leverage they have is via the sellers.

Founded to help contributors? What in this business does that? Of course, they are what you called an ideal name, umbrella distributor, and no they can't change anything, "buyer interaction", but neither can we? What's wrong with someone having investors and running a business, when the end result is to make my work and life easier?

The pay program isn't for me, I'm doing this for easy uploading, and they can have the 15% for better ranking, better commissions and taking care of uploading. I still do my own keywording

"Wirestock does not promise that they will accept to their account all of your uploads" nope and neither does any other agency that we upload to ourselves? So what?

"Wirestock claims you get paid more because their account is in the higher rate level." Do they make that claim, or is that us. No matter, you are still wrong:
https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/royalty-details.html
Adobe has levels.
Lifetime Licenses (free downloads don't count)
Minimum Royalty Amount
0-999 $0.33
1,000-9,999 $0.36
10,000 and above $0.38

Your argument that the gain is minimal would seem to be ignoring that the minimal gain pays back for using WS.

IS no levels, but it will sure save me time.
SS has levels and that darn reset.
DT has levels, 123RF has Levels, I don't know Pond5, Deposit has levels - lifetime, based on downloads, 30% up to 38%. I'd think that the gain there would be much more than if I contribute myself. (2nd level is 5,000 downloads)
Alamy has levels, 20% which becomes 40%.

There is a good amount to be gained that will offset the 15% fee.

I don't know about Wirestock direct, I never had anything. And Extra channels is a mystery?

Risk vs rewards? I think Wirestock is a winner. But like some others I'll upload to AS and SS myself and for some, DT or Alamy, I upload my own, but others go along with WS. All the rest, I don't have account so I wouldn't be uploading to them. I advocate that plan. USe the WS service for places to gain extra income, where someone wouldn't want to spend the time with a personal account or waiting forever to get paid.

OK but after all that, no complications and especially now for IS. Just upload and forget about them. We can't upload the same to the same agencies. Anything rejected we can, so go for it? Be careful about what goes into Extra Channels or Instant Pay! BE CAREFUL.

I think their 85% artist percentage, for the work they do, is just fine. Not like someone slipped in some new fees or a cut, like... 

Biggest benefit for me and why I use WS. I get paid as soon as I meet the payout. I don't have to wait years, or possibly a lifetime, to get a payout from 123RF or a DT sale. All sales are accumulated and we get paid, the month after the total reaches $30.

Let's call this "why you might want to work with Wirestock" ?  And why the blog post is biased towards the negative, unfair and ignores or distorts the facts.

Aside from all that above, I think it's a fair system and a choice that each person needs to decide on their own. Some won't use the service and don't like the way it works, or has worked. Others are in the middle and use parts, mixed with their own. (that's good enough for me) And some other people are all in with Wirestock.

Free Choice.

Correct. I fully understand the ones who go full in after evaluating the pro's and the cons. They make a well educated decision that suits their situation best.
I also fully understand the ones who avoid services like Wirestock, because, yeah, there are some potential painful disadvantages to it.

It's a free, personal choice, but before making a the decision, read topics like this and decide what's best for you.

I'm more in the middle, and use parts of them, or use them for certain content.
But honestly, the more I use them, the more I'm leaning towards cutting them out of future uploads.