Quote from: tickstock on June 18, 2015, 22:11

Quote from: Shelma1 on June 18, 2015, 22:08
Not necessarily. I know you want to obsess about SS, but most of us contribute to a number of sites, so it could be better, worse or a wash for us. Only time will tell.

If Shutterstock changed their pricing to match Adobe Stock would you feel the same?  Look it over is that what you want at SS?  If Adobe Stock is successful they won't have to match that, they'll have to beat it.

Why? They haven't matched iStock's low prices, or dropped my royalties down to 20%, and they're not running a 20%-off special right now that lasts forever and gives me 20% lower royalties.

Quote from: Dodie on June 18, 2015, 16:30

Quote from: Dumc on June 17, 2015, 21:24
A few days ago, you were ranting all over fotolia, and now you're crawling back. Heh.

+10   

I deleted my whole port and gave up a few weeks of earnings to try and improve the way agencies treat us.  Whether the efforts of a few contributors had anything to do with it or not, FT has decided to make a few changes that benefit us all.
So please do tell us, Dod and Dum, what exactly you guys did to try and bring about some change? 

I am sure the stand the community took against the dollar photo club (and before against google) helped to make it clear how important it is to treat us fairly. SS has a lot more content than all the other agencies because more people trust them and they make a big effort to communicate well.

Technically speaking our content has also just been moved to adobe without giving us a choice or opt out. But because it comes across as a fair opportunity, at least to me, I doubt we will see a shitstorm demanding to pull content.

But if we had not made a stand..would we be offered 33% on AS, a change in the way subs are counted towards rank, which moved many people up one ladder etc...? Adobe is huge, they really don´t want a drama with millions of files disappearing over night.

All we want is a reliable work environment and sensible discussions with respect. Give everyone a chance to make money together.

So I hope this really is a new chapter for fotolia and us.

I doubt it's going to hurt Shutterstock all that much. Shutterstock has a larger library -- especially in editorials --- a better search and a loyal customer base. It has also expanded its reach into direct sales that we see show up as SODs, which have increased my earnings 25-30 percent. Three or four decent-size SODs a month has made a big difference.

Smaller sites like 123RF or Canstock and struggling sites like Istock would probably be hit much harder. I think you'll see the number of sites get squeezed down until it's Adobe and Shutterstock.

Fotolia needs to rethink editorial acceptance. It will always be an incomplete stock agency without it. Regular editorials and illustrative editorials are important categories.

Quote from: robhainer on June 19, 2015, 00:30
I doubt it's going to hurt Shutterstock all that much. Shutterstock has a larger library -- especially in editorials --- a better search and a loyal customer base. It has also expanded it's reach into direct sales that we see show up as SODs, which have increased my earnings 25-30 percent. Three or four decent-size SODs a month has made a big difference.

Smaller sites like 123RF or Canstock and struggling sites like Istock would probably be hit much harder. I think you'll see the number of sites get squeezed down until it's Adobe and Shutterstock.

Fotolia needs to rethink editorial acceptance. It will always be an incomplete stock agency without it. Regular editorials and illustrative editorials are important categories.

Agree.

Quote from: cobalt on June 19, 2015, 00:07
I am sure the stand the community took against the dollar photo club (and before against google) helped to make it clear how important it is to treat us fairly. SS has a lot more content than all the other agencies because more people trust them and they make a big effort to communicate well.

Technically speaking our content has also just been moved to adobe without giving us a choice or opt out. But because it comes across as a fair opportunity, at least to me, I doubt we will see a shitstorm demanding to pull content.

But if we had not made a stand..would we be offered 33% on AS, a change in the way subs are counted towards rank, which moved many people up one ladder etc...? Adobe is huge, they really don´t want a drama with millions of files disappearing over night.

All we want is a reliable work environment and sensible discussions with respect. Give everyone a chance to make money together.

So I hope this really is a new chapter for fotolia and us.

"and they make a big effort to communicate well." really???

Adobe Stock is not good for any of us in the long run. I am surprised more of you can't see it.

If  SS decides to compete on pricing - well, that can be a two edged sword with contributers

Its time we see some creativity , like Adobe bumping up levels and coms, and see what the competition really has to offer.

If you thinkSS has deep pockets then Adobe has bottomless pockets

I like what Adobe has done, lets all hope that we end up as the benefactors of  all of this

Quote from: Rose Tinted Glasses on June 19, 2015, 01:01
Adobe Stock is not good for any of us in the long run. I am surprised more of you can't see it.

OK, "newbie." 

Quote from: ShadySue on June 18, 2015, 21:11

Quote from: Dook on June 18, 2015, 21:04

Quote from: ShadySue on June 18, 2015, 20:48

Quote from: Shelma1 on June 18, 2015, 19:44
Everyone focuses on SS because they're the market leader, but if Adobe Stock attracts more customers due to the convenience, that will affect all the stock sites, not just SS.

If they attract customers because of the convenience, they should gradually raise prices, making sure the contributors share in that.
When are they launching the program? I have PS CC and wouldn't have known a thing about this if I hadn't read it here (not that I buy images, but surely they should be telling me about the possibility if I should want to) (not that I want to be spammed but one informative communication wouldn't be OTT).

http://www.adobe.com/news-room/pressreleases/201506/061615AdobeStockLaunchesWorldwide.html

Sorry, I meant how would I as a PSCC2015 user know about it? You'd have thought I'd have had an email with a joining offer or something.

As a Adobe CC 2014 user, I did get an email about the CC 2015 update, which has been including news about the stock photos. It is implemented into all the CC 2015 updates. Seems like you should have gotten an email.

Just remember that Adobe is a whole different animal to all of the current agency offerings.

If, for example, Adobe were to offer highly lucrative payouts to contributors, that would necessarily attract more contributors to the arena. In doing so, they would almost certainly see an increase in the amount of their software licenses that are sold, and are also inadvertently creating future customers for both software and stock photos, since these same contributors can also purchase stock photos through this same software.

The important thing to understand here is that Adobe is in a win-win situation in regards to contributors, and all they have to do is keep contributors contributing and they slowly grow their overall customer base, which will increase revenue.

This means that increases in contributor compensation may hit their stock photo profit, but in the long run provides them more reliable customers. This is why this is a huge move and a huge game changer. Unlike every other agency out there, Adobe is not trying to squeeze the last few dollars it can out of your artwork; they are trying to make you long term artists so they can make money out of it in the long term.

It necessitates a change in the way every other agency has been operating thus far and makes the agency arena suddenly highly competitive.

Quote from: Gel-O Shooter on June 18, 2015, 23:58

Quote from: Dodie on June 18, 2015, 16:30

Quote from: Dumc on June 17, 2015, 21:24
A few days ago, you were ranting all over fotolia, and now you're crawling back. Heh.

+10   

I deleted my whole port and gave up a few weeks of earnings to try and improve the way agencies treat us.  Whether the efforts of a few contributors had anything to do with it or not, FT has decided to make a few changes that benefit us all.
So please do tell us, Dod and Dum, what exactly you guys did to try and bring about some change?

I applaud you for deleting your port and taking a stand. There are a whole lot of people who won't do that, even if they could, financially. But I really doubt that that had anything to do with FT making changes. I think this Adobe/Fotolia deal has been in the works and planning stages for quite a long time, long before you took a stand.

Quote from: cathyslife on June 19, 2015, 01:20

Quote from: ShadySue on June 18, 2015, 21:11

Quote from: Dook on June 18, 2015, 21:04

Quote from: ShadySue on June 18, 2015, 20:48

Quote from: Shelma1 on June 18, 2015, 19:44
Everyone focuses on SS because they're the market leader, but if Adobe Stock attracts more customers due to the convenience, that will affect all the stock sites, not just SS.

If they attract customers because of the convenience, they should gradually raise prices, making sure the contributors share in that.
When are they launching the program? I have PS CC and wouldn't have known a thing about this if I hadn't read it here (not that I buy images, but surely they should be telling me about the possibility if I should want to) (not that I want to be spammed but one informative communication wouldn't be OTT).

http://www.adobe.com/news-room/pressreleases/201506/061615AdobeStockLaunchesWorldwide.html

Sorry, I meant how would I as a PSCC2015 user know about it? You'd have thought I'd have had an email with a joining offer or something.

As a Adobe CC 2014 user, I did get an email about the CC 2015 update, which has been including news about the stock photos. It is implemented into all the CC 2015 updates. Seems like you should have gotten an email.

Ha, I didn't even know about the 2015 update until a few days ago when I got an email from Lynda.com about Deke's new tuts about CC2015.

Quote from: cobalt on June 19, 2015, 00:07
I am sure the stand the community took against the dollar photo club (and before against google) helped to make it clear how important it is to treat us fairly. SS has a lot more content than all the other agencies because more people trust them and they make a big effort to communicate well.
...
So I hope this really is a new chapter for fotolia and us.

It has made a difference for me.

I'm one who completely pulled out of Fotolia during the DPC protest, and I never regretted it.

But with this positive development and the better attitude towards contributors that Adobe seems to have brought to FT, two days ago I decided to rejoin FT and upload 100 images, to see how it would go. Most of those have been accepted now (very fast!), with only 3 rejections, which is a significant improvement over my lousy acceptance ratio under "Old FT".

So yes, this looks like a good time to jump back into FT... especially since I can now opt out of DPC.

The protest made its point. Better management seems to be treating contributors with more respect. All this could change down the line, of course, but for the moment, I'm willing to give FT another try.

Good to remember too that selling stock is 100% of SS business

For Adobe selling stock is just the gravy on top

Quote from: noodle on June 19, 2015, 01:40
Good to remember too that selling stock is 100% of SS business

For Adobe selling stock is just the gravy on top

Actually their business is selling 'subscription packages'

According to Jon they are a "Technology" business.

Quote from: Rose Tinted Glasses on June 19, 2015, 01:01
Adobe Stock is not good for any of us in the long run. I am surprised more of you can't see it.

In the long run its important that SS has some serious competition monopolies, which was the way the industry was headed,  are bad for buyers and sellers the detailed "calculations" being made show an heroic ability to make assumptions based on flawed logic.

Quote from: noodle on June 19, 2015, 01:40
Good to remember too that selling stock is 100% of SS business

For Adobe selling stock is just the gravy on top

I expect that Adobe is also well aware that most of the hundreds of thousands of microstock contributors are Adobe customers as well.  Another reason to try to keep us happy.

Quote from: michaeldb on June 19, 2015, 02:24

Quote from: noodle on June 19, 2015, 01:40
Good to remember too that selling stock is 100% of SS business

For Adobe selling stock is just the gravy on top

I expect that Adobe is also well aware that most of the hundreds of thousands of microstock contributors are Adobe customers as well.  Another reason to try to keep us happy.

Then they should raise prices, sub royalties, and give exclusive files and contributors more.  Gold level (about the same as top level in SS by sales) gives 31 cents compared to 38 at SS, that doesn't sound too good to me.

Quote from: michaeldb on June 19, 2015, 02:24

Quote from: noodle on June 19, 2015, 01:40
Good to remember too that selling stock is 100% of SS business

For Adobe selling stock is just the gravy on top

I expect that Adobe is also well aware that most of the hundreds of thousands of microstock contributors are Adobe customers as well.  Another reason to try to keep us happy.

You can bet your last dollar they are aware of this. They are also aware that hundreds of thousands of microstock photographers will sell themselves short.

Quote from: Rose Tinted Glasses on June 19, 2015, 01:01
Adobe Stock is not good for any of us in the long run. I am surprised more of you can't see it.

This is a surprisingly negative comment coming from someone whose screen name is "Rose Tinted Glasses". 

Were doomed all doomed I tell ye!

Quote from: Rinderart on June 19, 2015, 00:55

Quote from: cobalt on June 19, 2015, 00:07
I am sure the stand the community took against the dollar photo club (and before against google) helped to make it clear how important it is to treat us fairly. SS has a lot more content than all the other agencies because more people trust them and they make a big effort to communicate well.

Technically speaking our content has also just been moved to adobe without giving us a choice or opt out. But because it comes across as a fair opportunity, at least to me, I doubt we will see a shitstorm demanding to pull content.

But if we had not made a stand..would we be offered 33% on AS, a change in the way subs are counted towards rank, which moved many people up one ladder etc...? Adobe is huge, they really don´t want a drama with millions of files disappearing over night.

All we want is a reliable work environment and sensible discussions with respect. Give everyone a chance to make money together.

So I hope this really is a new chapter for fotolia and us.

"and they make a big effort to communicate well." really???

I recoil every time I hear this XXXX and other often repeated fallacy's. Please they have permanent blinders and ear muffs on and have for years.

I would buy that they are making an effort to recruit and positively influence those who have a track record of promoting sites.

the best thing I've read in this thread is that they will no longer marketing DPC.