Now that Brexit is actually going to happen, how do you feel?

I'm not looking forward to starting a quarrel, just curious how British photographers - and everyone else interested - feel about it.

I'm pretty happy, especially with the exchange rates (which will only get better) I'm making an extra £300-400 a month more just on the better exchange rates compared to this time last year.

Quote from: Cider Apple on March 16, 2017, 14:53
I'm pretty happy, especially with the exchange rates (which will only get better) I'm making an extra £300-400 a month more just on the better exchange rates compared to this time last year.

yes and in the future you will pay higher taxes...

Quote from: Cider Apple on March 16, 2017, 14:53
I'm pretty happy, especially with the exchange rates (which will only get better) I'm making an extra £300-400 a month more just on the better exchange rates compared to this time last year.

Honest answer, thanks! I'm enjoing this nice bonus too, but it's pretty much the only good thing about Brexit for me, and not enough to make me change my mind.

For what it's worth, I sympathise with Scottish Independence!

Quote from: LDV81 on March 16, 2017, 15:07
For what it's worth, I sympathise with Scottish Independence!

Yes Scottland come to the Union your welcome!

Quote from: LDV81 on March 16, 2017, 15:07
For what it's worth, I sympathise with Scottish Independence!

I didn't last time, but now I would understand this choice.

Quote from: r2d2 on March 16, 2017, 15:00

Quote from: Cider Apple on March 16, 2017, 14:53
I'm pretty happy, especially with the exchange rates (which will only get better) I'm making an extra £300-400 a month more just on the better exchange rates compared to this time last year.

yes and in the future you will pay higher taxes...

I doubt it, possibly inflation will go up a bit but that goes for everything. Goods from Europe may go up a bit but then goods from the rest of the world we could get cheaper.

We buy more goods from Europe than any other country. We have the biggest European market for German cars, Food, Wine, Furniture. The list goes on and on. Europe needs us more than we need it.

I'm looking forward to having business with the rest of the world without EU legislation.

What on earth is Scotland thinking? If it leaves the Uk it will go bust within 5 years. I also don't think Europe will want it included. It will be another Ireland or Greece.

Another good reason is that I think it will make us start producing alot more goods. Instead of being a mainly data driven society (business) it would be nice to start manurfacturing again. Also producing our own foods. I was watching country file last week and the future of agriculture is by farming summer foods indoors without the sun but using high powered LED lights. amazing really.

Futures looking good to me. Were a nation of entrepreneurs and inventors with our business mindeds I think were all going to be OK.

I can see the pros and cons on both sides. I don't think it is as clear cut as if you are nationalist/ isolationist/ right wing you voted for brexit and if you are left wing/ progressive/ liberal you voted for remain.

It is a shame that it has become polarised in that way.

The issue of sovereignty has positives for the left too. For example you would struggle to nationalise the railways while in the EU, trying to sort out pensions has run into problems because of the EU insisting the schemes must be open to competition, the EU would like healthcare to be open to private companies and so on.

The left used to be very anti EU seeing it as a "rich man's club" and in many ways it still is extremely pro big business against publicly running anything. Even if you agree that all the above is positive it serves to demonstrate that our representatives in parliament are in very real ways hamstrung by having rules dictated by the EU.

I think a lot of people on the left see the EU as a defence against an anti labour (small l) Tory government in the UK, but just like in the US where the Federal Government had once provided some protection for working people from oppressive state legislation things can very quickly turn around. If a Labour government got in the UK you could very quickly find yourself in a position where the EU becomes a problem for the left.

Quote from: Cider Apple on March 16, 2017, 15:15

What on earth is Scotland thinking? If it leaves the Uk it will go bust within 5 years. I also don't think Europe will want it included. It will be another Ireland or Greece.

What if NI leaves too? The UK will not exist anymore (by definition), and GB will be a little less "great".
That's why I am very worried about the consequences of Brexit for everyone. No one can win.

Quote from: Cider Apple on March 16, 2017, 15:22
Another good reason is that I think it will make us start producing alot more goods. Instead of being a mainly data driven society (business) it would be nice to start manurfacturing again.
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Futures looking good to me. Were a nation of entrepreneurs and inventors with our business mindeds I think were all going to be OK.

This would be great, but I fear the opposite: if England turns into a tax haven - Theresa May 'promised' it to Europe quite explicitly in her first speech - business (the worst kind) will thrive here.
So even if future is not looking good to me, I sincerely hope that you are right.

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on March 16, 2017, 15:26
I can see the pros and cons on both sides. I don't think it is as clear cut as if you are nationalist/ isolationist/ right wing you voted for brexit and if you are left wing/ progressive/ liberal you voted for remain.

It is a shame that it has become polarised in that way.

The issue of sovereignty has positives for the left too. For example you would struggle to nationalise the railways while in the EU, trying to sort out pensions has run into problems because of the EU insisting the schemes must be open to competition, the EU would like healthcare to be open to private companies and so on.

The left used to be very anti EU seeing it as a "rich man's club" and in many ways it still is extremely pro big business against publicly running anything. Even if you agree that all the above is positive it serves to demonstrate that our representatives in parliament are in very real ways hamstrung by having rules dictated by the EU.

I think a lot of people on the left see the EU as a defence against an anti labour (small l) Tory government in the UK, but just like in the US where the Federal Government had once provided some protection for working people from oppressive state legislation things can very quickly turn around. If a Labour government got in the UK you could very quickly find yourself in a position where the EU becomes a problem for the left.

A thoughtful post I voted out and am pretty left of centre on most things. Things these days seem to have to be polarised neither position is wholly good or bad and despite all the analysis and forecasting no one really knows what the world will look like in 10 years what really swung it for me was the direction of Travel of the EU which is moving toward a authoritarian/federalist/protectionist position I just don't think it will cut it in the future. If Cameron had renegotiated  real change I would probably have voted remain. Ironically Brexit might mean than the EU bureaucrats will wake up and realise they are dragging Europe in a direction its people don't want.  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/28/jean-claude-juncker-faces-dissent-eu-survival-blueprint/

Quote from: Cider Apple on March 16, 2017, 15:15
We buy more goods from Europe than any other country. We have the biggest European market for German cars, Food, Wine, Furniture. The list goes on and on. Europe needs us more than we need it.

Yeah, and what exactly do you export to the EU? Except financial services, which may be moved to other locations.
"The biggest European market for German cars, food, wine" - yeah, this is one way of looking at it. But the reality is that you simply have a huge trade deficit. You spend more than you earn. Nothing to boast.
And you also have the most wealthy football league, but somehow your teams win hardly anything in Europe.  and I don't even want to mention the word "Iceland" 

UK's national debt is 90% of GDP and it grows at grows at a rate of £5,170 per second: http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/

Quote from: Cider Apple on March 16, 2017, 15:15
What on earth is Scotland thinking?

Perhaps simply that it sucks to be outvoted by the English on important issues.

Quote from: LDV81 on March 16, 2017, 16:01

Quote from: Cider Apple on March 16, 2017, 15:15
We buy more goods from Europe than any other country. We have the biggest European market for German cars, Food, Wine, Furniture. The list goes on and on. Europe needs us more than we need it.

Yeah, and what exactly do you export to the EU? Except financial services, which may be moved to other locations.
"The biggest European market for German cars, food, wine" - yeah, this is one way of looking at it. But the reality is that you simply have a huge trade deficit. Nothing to boast.
And you also have the most wealthy football league, but somehow your teams win hardly anything in Europe. 

UK's national debt is 90% of GDP and it grows at grows at a rate of £5,170 per second: http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/

Quote from: Cider Apple on March 16, 2017, 15:15
What on earth is Scotland thinking?

Perhaps simply that it sucks to be outvoted by the English on important issues.

So things going well for us in the EU then? Both sides need a good deal no doubt there will be lots of posturing but the world has existed a long time before without the UK being in the EU. Greek debt is 113% of GDP...so what?

Quote from: Pauws99 on March 16, 2017, 16:08
Greek debt is 113% of GDP...so what?

Actually, it is much more than that. But the point is that debt cannot grow forever, and there is a point when a straw breaks the camel's back and the system collapses.
Greece almost or practically collapsed. What is the last straw for each country, you never know, until you get there.

Quote from: LDV81 on March 16, 2017, 16:15

Quote from: Pauws99 on March 16, 2017, 16:08
Greek debt is 113% of GDP...so what?

Actually, it is much more than that. But the point is that debt cannot grow forever, and there is a point when a straw breaks the camel's back and the system collapses.
Greece almost or practically collapsed. What is the last straw for each country, you never know, until you get there.

Maybe but I don't understand the relevance to Brexit?

Quote from: Pauws99 on March 16, 2017, 16:23

Quote from: LDV81 on March 16, 2017, 16:15

Quote from: Pauws99 on March 16, 2017, 16:08
Greek debt is 113% of GDP...so what?

Actually, it is much more than that. But the point is that debt cannot grow forever, and there is a point when a straw breaks the camel's back and the system collapses.
Greece almost or practically collapsed. What is the last straw for each country, you never know, until you get there.

Maybe but I don't understand the relevance to Brexit?

Nevermind.

Quote from: Pauws99 on March 16, 2017, 16:08

Quote from: LDV81 on March 16, 2017, 16:01

Quote from: Cider Apple on March 16, 2017, 15:15
We buy more goods from Europe than any other country. We have the biggest European market for German cars, Food, Wine, Furniture. The list goes on and on. Europe needs us more than we need it.

Yeah, and what exactly do you export to the EU? Except financial services, which may be moved to other locations.
"The biggest European market for German cars, food, wine" - yeah, this is one way of looking at it. But the reality is that you simply have a huge trade deficit. Nothing to boast.
And you also have the most wealthy football league, but somehow your teams win hardly anything in Europe. 

UK's national debt is 90% of GDP and it grows at grows at a rate of £5,170 per second: http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/

Quote from: Cider Apple on March 16, 2017, 15:15
What on earth is Scotland thinking?

Perhaps simply that it sucks to be outvoted by the English on important issues.

So things going well for us in the EU then? Both sides need a good deal no doubt there will be lots of posturing but the world has existed a long time before without the UK being in the EU. Greek debt is 113% of GDP...so what?

I absolutely saw the problems for Greece coming from 1000 miles away.
The Euro is great for, for example, Germany where a single currency makes their products artificially competitive with products from poorer countries stuck on the same currency. It is terrible for the poorer countries. Their currencies would normally devalue making their products more competitive in the market. It is one of the reasons countries like Germany are so keen to get all the poorer countries into onto the Euro. They don't want cheap production on their doorstep.

Quote from: LDV81 on March 16, 2017, 16:15

Quote from: Pauws99 on March 16, 2017, 16:08
Greek debt is 113% of GDP...so what?

Actually, it is much more than that. But the point is that debt cannot grow forever, and there is a point when a straw breaks the camel's back and the system collapses.
Greece almost or practically collapsed. What is the last straw for each country, you never know, until you get there.

I think the point is that Greece was in the EU.

Quote from: Pauws99 on March 16, 2017, 15:58A thoughtful post I voted out and am pretty left of centre on most things. Things these days seem to have to be polarised neither position is wholly good or bad and despite all the analysis and forecasting no one really knows what the world will look like in 10 years what really swung it for me was the direction of Travel of the EU which is moving toward a authoritarian/federalist/protectionist position I just don't think it will cut it in the future. If Cameron had renegotiated  real change I would probably have voted remain. Ironically Brexit might mean than the EU bureaucrats will wake up and realise they are dragging Europe in a direction its people don't want.  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/28/jean-claude-juncker-faces-dissent-eu-survival-blueprint/

Thank you. This is the only vote in my life that I have had to stand in the polling booth and still be undecided until the last minute. In the end I had to vote for what I saw as being the right choice for the long term.

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on March 16, 2017, 16:56

Quote from: Pauws99 on March 16, 2017, 16:08

Quote from: LDV81 on March 16, 2017, 16:01

Quote from: Cider Apple on March 16, 2017, 15:15
We buy more goods from Europe than any other country. We have the biggest European market for German cars, Food, Wine, Furniture. The list goes on and on. Europe needs us more than we need it.

Yeah, and what exactly do you export to the EU? Except financial services, which may be moved to other locations.
"The biggest European market for German cars, food, wine" - yeah, this is one way of looking at it. But the reality is that you simply have a huge trade deficit. Nothing to boast.
And you also have the most wealthy football league, but somehow your teams win hardly anything in Europe. 

UK's national debt is 90% of GDP and it grows at grows at a rate of £5,170 per second: http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/

Quote from: Cider Apple on March 16, 2017, 15:15
What on earth is Scotland thinking?

Perhaps simply that it sucks to be outvoted by the English on important issues.

So things going well for us in the EU then? Both sides need a good deal no doubt there will be lots of posturing but the world has existed a long time before without the UK being in the EU. Greek debt is 113% of GDP...so what?

I absolutely saw the problems for Greece coming from 1000 miles away.
The Euro is great for, for example, Germany where a single currency makes their products artificially competitive with products from poorer countries stuck on the same currency. It is terrible for the poorer countries. Their currencies would normally devalue making their products more competitive in the market. It is one of the reasons countries like Germany are so keen to get all the poorer countries into onto the Euro. They don't want cheap production on their doorstep.

and lets not forget most of the remain camp wanted us to sign up to the Euro...you wont find many people now that will say that would have been a smart move.

With Britain outside the EU, we wish them good luck with negotiating a trade agreement. Why would we in Europe want to have a trade agreement with the British?

The British industry will find it difficult to sell goods in the EU. The automotive industry and other industries will move to the EU. The EU will have import duties on goods from non-EU countries. Unemployment and porness increases. Civil war is imminent.

Now, if Britain wants to re-enter the EU, it is a new negotiation. Two requirements that it will not be granted an exemption are:

- Introduction of right-hand traffic
- Introduction of the same time zone as France and most of Europe uses, i.e., CET, which is GMT + 1

Quote from: TG1112 on March 16, 2017, 17:28
With Britain outside the EU, we wish them good luck with negotiating a trade agreement. Why would we in Europe want to have a trade agreement with the British?

The British industry will find it difficult to sell goods in the EU. The automotive industry and other industries will move to the EU. The EU will have import duties on goods from non-EU countries. Unemployment and porness increases. Civil war is imminent.

Now, if Britain wants to re-enter the EU, it is a new negotiation. Two requirements that it will not be granted an exemption are:

- Introduction of right-hand traffic
- Introduction of the same time zone as France and most of Europe uses, i.e., CET, which is GMT + 1

Maybe because the UK is a huge market?

Quote from: TG1112 on March 16, 2017, 17:28
With Britain outside the EU, we wish them good luck with negotiating a trade agreement. Why would we in Europe want to have a trade agreement with the British?

The British industry will find it difficult to sell goods in the EU. The automotive industry and other industries will move to the EU. The EU will have import duties on goods from non-EU countries. Unemployment and porness increases. Civil war is imminent.

Now, if Britain wants to re-enter the EU, it is a new negotiation. Two requirements that it will not be granted an exemption are:

- Introduction of right-hand traffic
- Introduction of the same time zone as France and most of Europe uses, i.e., CET, which is GMT + 1

The UK is the 5th biggest economy in the world and if we don't get a good deal, it will probably become the biggest tax haven.  Any tariffs will have to be offset by lower taxes, I think that's a good incentive for the EU to come up with a beneficial deal for both sides.  I do think some of the car industry will go but as the UK has some of the best robotics, it wont all go and it would be great if we started making our own cars again.  I was against leaving the EU if it reformed but that hasn't happened and I'm not that disappointed to be leaving now.  Going to be fun to see how it works out.

At least we might be able to sell digital images without accounting for 27 different types of VAT.