Quote from: MrVector on March 10, 2022, 04:14
Don't forget, there are very talented people in Russia, and if they are squeezed into a corner, they are capable of miracles.

You spelled Ukraine wrong.

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on March 10, 2022, 16:23

Quote from: MrVector on March 10, 2022, 04:14
Don't forget, there are very talented people in Russia, and if they are squeezed into a corner, they are capable of miracles.

You spelled Ukraine wrong.

Exactly!

Otherwise, we can see that we have more than enough examples in this forum to better understand how effective Putin's propaganda machine is.

I'm convinced that these sanctions will not work unless toughened way beyond what we have in place now (e.g. no more Petro-dollars to sponsor Putin's war machine), AND kept in place for several years, or enough time to make the regular Russians realize that something is wrong with their Dear Leader.

It took Romanians years of suffering, with rationed food, rationed gas, in dark and cold apartments, in much worse conditions than the Russians have today before realizing that enough is enough.

So, MrVector has a point, not because Russians are special, but because it takes years and even generations to root out the damage inflicted by propaganda.

Everybody is using propoganda. The russians are and the Ukranians as well. Zelinksy and his ministers tweeted pictures that were not of this war but from long ago or even in another country. The fear that was spread about the nuclear reactor that would leak when there was no power and all of Europe would have a problem, is not true, also according to IAEA.
The latest is the children's hospital. It all seems to staged. If a hospital was working fully and then I would have expected many people about. I see a lot of military people and few civilians. I hardly, or actually don't see, any doctors or nurses. And the pregnant woman could have been placed into the scene. I am not saying it didn't happen but lies about events have happened because of propaganda and the Ukranians are not shy from using them. So always think twice about what is being said, about what happened, from both sides.  I can't blame the Ukranians for doing it (it's part of the propaganda war) but it does not have be the truth always what they say about what happened. Be critical on all parties.

Quote from: SVH on March 10, 2022, 18:10
The latest is the children's hospital. It all seems to staged. If a hospital was working fully and then I would have expected many people about. I see a lot of military people and few civilians. I hardly, or actually don't see, any doctors or nurses. And the pregnant woman could have been placed into the scene.

You should be ashamed of yourself for writing this about such a disgusting attack. How have you reached this point where you are denying what everyone knows to be true? How have you lost your basic humanity that you would deny the suffering of these victims? It's just appalling. Please look closely at yourself and honestly examine your motives and reasoning. Bring yourself back from the brink before you cannot recover from this madness.

Hopeless you guy's believe everything the media tells you. I don't care where you sell my clips just sell them!!!

Quote from: jjneff on March 10, 2022, 23:59
Hopeless you guy's believe everything the media tells you.

Media is the plural form of medium, which (broadly speaking) describes any channel of communication. This can include anything from printed paper to digital data, and encompasses art, news, educational content, and numerous other forms of information.

In other words, the media is what makes the difference between informed, educated people and flat-earthers, who only believe what is in front of their eyes.

Informed and educated people never "believe everything the media tells" them, but are capable of critical thinking being able to discern between facts and propaganda.

This is why flat-earthers and brainwashed people are not very different, because both categories suffer from different forms of knowledge impairment.

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 11, 2022, 02:03...
This is why flat-earthers and brainwashed people are not very different, because both categories suffer from different forms of  knowledge impairment.

Perhaps it's easier to admit the existence of flat-Earthers in light of a 2016 survey finding that 27 percent of Americans don't accept heliocentrism, 48 percent don't accept common ancestry of humans and non-human animals, and 61 percent don't accept the big bang. Clearly, whether due to ignorance or ideology, the scientific consensus is not always accepted—so why not about the shape of the Earth?

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/yes-flat-earthers-really-do-exist/

Quote from: H2O on March 03, 2022, 22:18
I'm still getting downloads in Russia, this needs to be stopped.

I had two in Moscow today, they are breaking the sanctions on Putins Russia, this must stop.

Don't stop here. Put all Russians in concentration camps.

Quote from: cascoly on March 11, 2022, 04:27

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 11, 2022, 02:03...
This is why flat-earthers and brainwashed people are not very different, because both categories suffer from different forms of  knowledge impairment.

Perhaps it's easier to admit the existence of flat-Earthers in light of a 2016 survey finding that 27 percent of Americans don't accept heliocentrism, 48 percent don't accept common ancestry of humans and non-human animals, and 61 percent don't accept the big bang. Clearly, whether due to ignorance or ideology, the scientific consensus is not always accepted—so why not about the shape of the Earth?

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/yes-flat-earthers-really-do-exist/

Well I'll be a Monkey's Uncle! 

I've been involved in "real" science, on and off, for about 50 years, in various ways. One thing I can say for certain is, people will believe Pseudoscience before they will understand or believe the truth. That and it's harder to explain and convince them to listen, once they believe some factoid, because they will resist change and defend their mistaken beliefs. What they learned first is embedded and difficult to have someone admit they are wrong.

"it's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled"

I don't know where or why the "we didn't land on the Moon" conspiracy started, but that has grown, instead of being put aside. Autism is not caused by vaccination, but one incredible doctor who faked his research, created that myth. Make a note please? Autism is a diagnosis, not a disease.

I'll just be bottom line. The Internet has not created an information super highway it has created a disinformation super highway. The best description still is, an infinite echo chamber of misinformation. People just search and repeat and don't do thoughtful research. Quotes of flawed information or outright lies are repeated until that's what you will find for an answer in a search, instead of the facts or the truth.

Recently some of my photos have been selling on some sites that do not mark place of sles that could be being used for conspiracy theory/false flag fake news accusing Ukraine of things they have not done.  My images have nothing to do with Ukraine or Russia and were not shot there... but I find it odd  that they are selling now after hearing some of the lies Russia is now saying.

It is ok to use my photos for many things-- but this use is not ok.  The images have legitimate ways of being used and are also related to things in the news that have nothing to do with Ukraine and Russia but after hearing some of Russia's newest lies, I am concerned. 

Quote from: fotoVoyager on March 10, 2022, 22:41
You should be ashamed of yourself for writing this about such a disgusting attack. How have you reached this point where you are denying what everyone knows to be true? How have you lost your basic humanity that you would deny the suffering of these victims? It's just appalling. Please look closely at yourself and honestly examine your motives and reasoning. Bring yourself back from the brink before you cannot recover from this madness.

You my friend, are a snowflake, look it up if you don't understand the meaning of it. You understand nothing but calling someone evil or calling them a super hero. It's pretty sad that nobody thought you to think for yourself. I hope you are young and things get ment for you. Otherwise I just feel sorry for you. Best of luck.

People that use the word 'snowflake', are usually the biggest snowflakes of all. They're also the most likely to tell people to 'look things up' and to 'think for themselves', when the majority of their talking points have been thought for them. If you'd be so kind as to use the words awake, msm, elites, woke and sheep in your reply... then that'll be house on my conspiracy/anti-science/right wing bingo card. 

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on March 12, 2022, 02:20
People that use the word 'snowflake', are usually the biggest snowflakes of all. They're also the most likely to tell people to 'look things up' and to 'think for themselves', when the majority of their talking points have been thought for them. If you'd be so kind as to use the words awake, msm, elites, woke and sheep in your reply... then that'll be house on my conspiracy/anti-science/right wing bingo card.

Would you mind telling me the definition of "msm" please?  I haven't noticed my "woke" niece using this one on facebook....  I  know, I'm such a lemming.   

Quote from: Pixart on March 12, 2022, 04:01

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on March 12, 2022, 02:20
People that use the word 'snowflake', are usually the biggest snowflakes of all. They're also the most likely to tell people to 'look things up' and to 'think for themselves', when the majority of their talking points have been thought for them. If you'd be so kind as to use the words awake, msm, elites, woke and sheep in your reply... then that'll be house on my conspiracy/anti-science/right wing bingo card.

Would you mind telling me the definition of "msm" please?  I haven't noticed my "woke" niece using this one on facebook....  I  know, I'm such a lemming.

Main Stream Media, Fox News for example. A place most snowflakes get their speaking points from. 

This seems like a fair summary of the background to this disaster and how Putin and the West reached this point:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/12/mcdonalds-russia-departure-more-than-burgers-west-putin?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Quote from: fotoVoyager on March 10, 2022, 22:41

Quote from: SVH on March 10, 2022, 18:10
The latest is the children's hospital. It all seems to staged. If a hospital was working fully and then I would have expected many people about. I see a lot of military people and few civilians. I hardly, or actually don't see, any doctors or nurses. And the pregnant woman could have been placed into the scene.

You should be ashamed of yourself for writing this about such a disgusting attack. How have you reached this point where you are denying what everyone knows to be true? How have you lost your basic humanity that you would deny the suffering of these victims? It's just appalling. Please look closely at yourself and honestly examine your motives and reasoning. Bring yourself back from the brink before you cannot recover from this madness.

You are a child. How can you prove that? If everyone believe in something it doesn't mean it's true. Many people believe in god but where is the evidence? Look closely at yourself before you attack others.

I was convinced by the massive bomb crater outside and the screaming women carried from inside on stretchers. Y'know, facts, not the surreal crazed ramblings of Lavrov.

Quote from: komikmiha on March 12, 2022, 10:27
If everyone believe in something it doesn't mean it's true.

Yes, yes, we should definitely listen and take advice from a guy whose arguments are based on obvious internet hoaxes. 

From a guy who considers himself smart for not believing in God, but who believes in Bernie Gores. 🤣

Priceless!

Quote from: MrVector on March 10, 2022, 04:14
Ukraine has no allies in the West. All these ridiculous demonstrative support is just for the sake of PR. All collected charitable money will be stolen and all weapons sent will be lost. Such a country...

Russia will continue to function. The people will live freed from the western husk. McDonald's and KFC are gone. Will they worry about it when there is borscht and fried potatoes?

Most likely, after a few years of recession, we will get a strong country with a developed economy. Don't forget, there are very talented people in Russia, and if they are squeezed into a corner, they are capable of miracles.

The UK is helping Ukraine by sending them trucks of weapons.  As are various countries in the west. Yesterday they were deciding on adding anti air craft weapons and anti tank weapons (missiles) to the trucks. We are also sending food and aid. We are also taking in Ukranians as are Poland, Germany and Spain.

I'm not sure what reports you are watching but the ones I'm seeing are Putin considering middle East mercenaries to top up his under funded, under educated and under age 'crack Russian forces' which rather than rocking up to Ukraine and handed flowers, have been handed their arses.

Perhaps you've been listening to too much borschit?

Now Putins calamity squad have allegedly found chemical and biological weapons. No doubt the Ukranians will suffer those as well. As if borscht wasn't punishment enough.

Russians are certainly talented though they seem to have had a democracy bypass and while they can build almost anything from the scrap heap of dead microwave ovens and hip implants even they can't build anything useful with just 'attitude'. I pity the Russian and other people who suffer these stupid and in this case, spectacularly inept dictators, who run feral until like everything that goes feral - it gets put out of everyone's misery.

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 12, 2022, 10:53

Quote from: komikmiha on March 12, 2022, 10:27
If everyone believe in something it doesn't mean it's true.

Yes, yes, we should definately listen and take advice from a guy whose arguments are based on obvious internet hoaxes. 

From a guy who considers himself smart for not believing in God, but who believes in Bernie Gores. 🤣

Priceless!

Yes, yes you should definitely listen and take advice from someone who is smarter than you and it is not brainwashed.

And yes, for someone who believes in western media like a blind and not very intelligent believer, you should do more listen and less talking.

Quote from: komikmiha on March 12, 2022, 17:49

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 12, 2022, 10:53

Quote from: komikmiha on March 12, 2022, 10:27
If everyone believe in something it doesn't mean it's true.

Yes, yes, we should definately listen and take advice from a guy whose arguments are based on obvious internet hoaxes. 

From a guy who considers himself smart for not believing in God, but who believes in Bernie Gores. 🤣

Priceless!

Yes, yes you should definitely listen and take advice from someone who is smarter than you and it is not brainwashed.

And yes, for someone who believes in western media like a blind and not very intelligent believer, you should do more listen and less talking.

🤣
Yes, yes we all should listen to and take advice from you, indeed!
Tell us more!
Show us your ways, teach us your paths! Guide us in your truths and teach us, for you are komikmiha, and our hope is in you all day long!

This is becoming entertaining!
You remind me of a character from "Le Dîner de Cons".
Check it out, it may help you understand your position in this forum. 

Bernie Gores! Lol! Too funny!

Well, the only one that seems concerningly brainwashed around here is you. It appears you are not getting much support with the silly arguments you throw on the table.

The best thing you can do is learn a little history, follow reliable media, and change the hours you are devoting to your PlayStation and use that valuable time to educate yourself. You need it desperately.

Quote from: komikmiha on March 12, 2022, 17:49
Yes, yes you should definitely listen and take advice from someone who is smarter than you and it is not brainwashed.

And yes, for someone who believes in western media like a blind and not very intelligent believer, you should do more listen and less talking.

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 12, 2022, 18:23

Quote from: komikmiha on March 12, 2022, 17:49

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 12, 2022, 10:53

Quote from: komikmiha on March 12, 2022, 10:27
If everyone believe in something it doesn't mean it's true.

Yes, yes, we should definately listen and take advice from a guy whose arguments are based on obvious internet hoaxes. 

From a guy who considers himself smart for not believing in God, but who believes in Bernie Gores. 🤣

Priceless!

Yes, yes you should definitely listen and take advice from someone who is smarter than you and it is not brainwashed.

And yes, for someone who believes in western media like a blind and not very intelligent believer, you should do more listen and less talking.

🤣
Yes, yes we all should listen to and take advice from you, indeed!
Tell us more!
Show us your ways, teach us your paths! Guide us in your truths and teach us, for you are komikmiha, and our hope is in you all day long!

This is becoming entertaining!
You remind me of a character from "Le Dîner de Cons".
Check it out, it may help you understand your position in this forum. 

Bernie Gores! Lol! Too funny!

Not enough of IQ, so you can't understand. Sorry, but somebody needs to say that out loud.

Quote from: everest on March 12, 2022, 19:50
Well, the only one that seems concerningly brainwashed around here is you. It appears you are not getting much support with the silly arguments you throw on the table.

The best thing you can do is learn a little history, follow reliable media, and change the hours you are devoting to your PlayStation and use that valuable time to educate yourself. You need it desperately.

Quote from: komikmiha on March 12, 2022, 17:49
Yes, yes you should definitely listen and take advice from someone who is smarter than you and it is not brainwashed.

And yes, for someone who believes in western media like a blind and not very intelligent believer, you should do more listen and less talking.

My knowledge of history is perfect. Yours zero. Nada. But you really make me laugh: "follow reliable media". Haha, well this is sweet irony in all glory.

Since you are brainwashed and you live all alone with your mom, you have no friends, you are pathetic virgin with cheese in you ears, maybe some kind of professional help will do.  It appears you will get much support with the silly arguments you throw on the table. 

Ordinary russian people don't have blame for government decisions.
I llive in Venezuela a socialist country and the US government have made some sanctions on Venezuela. In Cuba have many sanctions from the US, but the government is stiill in power in Cuba. In the end, the most affected are the ordinarie people.