http://www.stockxpert.com/browse.phtml

Click on each top contributor name, if you see the "sub" icon under their pictures, they opted-in.

I was away for a while and, oh man it took forever to digest this thread from about page 5.

I just opted out.   Even though StockXpert ranks about 6th for me in earnings, I'm glad I don't have to jump ship.  (Yet).  And I feel a little better that StockXpert listened to some of the points, just too bad it wasn't all of them. 

Thanks to everyone to participated in the call and the discussions on our behalf.

Well it is starting to look like StockXpert and JI are done with the discussion. I am betting they move forward withoput changing the EULA to a more favorable alternative for the contributor

Quote from: photoshow on August 12, 2008, 03:33
Well it is starting to look like StockXpert and JI are done with the discussion. I am betting they move forward withoput changing the EULA to a more favorable alternative for the contributor

yep, I'm feeling that I'm not going to get a response.  I liked StockXpert. 

I thought it a bit morally low when they offered microstockers 15% for dynamic graphics collection when their 'normal' contributors get 35%.  Seems like that was too much, rather than try an increase sales, they'd rather rip off their contributors and pay them only couple of % commission   

Quote from: southmind on August 11, 2008, 05:59
With FT I "win" 0,2573 euros for an L size and with StockXpert at any size 0,1948 euro.
And now we must give our ELs for this price

I agree with the first part (in your case, with the European FT), but you can simply opt-out as I did, and not only you won't make your photos available so cheaply, but also you don't have to sell them at Photos.com.

I simply like the fact that StockXpert let the decision in my hands.  FT, DT and others don't.
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Hi Adelaide,

In fact, my confidence in JI continuously dropped during the past year.
They did everything to stop the progression of StockXpert (lack of inspectors, time of review of more than one month, no change in the user interface, stupid review rules not compatible with the market, etc...). They changed recently but their target was to transfer our pics on photos.com.
They want to sell our photos  for nothing (at subs) and opting out will not help us in the future because this is simply not the scheme of their business.
I feel bad with StockXpert since several months and now, I know why...
I am very sorry for StockXpert , because I thought that this site could become one of best.
But I don't want to take part to the race to the bottom of Jupiter Image.
There are tons of Microstock sites where we can propose our pic for a decent price.
Regards

Full disclosure - I just opted-out.  It will take up to a week for the system to update my status.  But in the meantime I am interested in the opinions of the large contributors who have decided to stay in...what are they seeing that I am missing?

I did a quick check of the most active and popular StockXpert contributors.  I found roughly 2/3 are still opted-in.

Some notables opted in - Logos, AndresR, Iofoto, MaxFX
Some notables oped out - Dolgachov, Lumaxart2d

I have no clue whether those opted-out did so recently, or have long been opted-out.

Whjat a storm in a tea-cup. Would u lot ever quieten down ur like a bunch of old whining women goin on about a few cents. teh reason why the biggies are not making so much noise is there not intrested in any moral victory. ELs dont account for much on StockXpert or anyplace else and its unlikely they will in the future.

How is $28 vs. $0.30 a "few cents?"

Also, there is no reason to refer to people whining as "women."  That could be interpreted as quite chauvinist, and there are high level female contributors on this board.

re whining, use your brain at look at the big picture and what this will do...



 

Quote from: Bettyboop on August 12, 2008, 10:40
Whjat a storm in a tea-cup. Would u lot ever quieten down ur like a bunch of old whining women goin on about a few cents. teh reason why the biggies are not making so much noise is there not intrested in any moral victory. ELs dont account for much on StockXpert or anyplace else and its unlikely they will in the future.

Pure idiot.. New member too!!! Are you working for StockXpert?!!

People seem to forgot that the biggies are the most vulnerable. With the exception of Iofoto all totally rely on their MS-income they don't play any significant role in macrostock or assignments and even iofoto confessed recently that he had a big turndown in his assignments. They are slaves to the system and have no choice than to say yes to any change they are just toys for the agencies!
Though i'm a professional photographer i don't rely on my MS-income and i'm very happy about it!

Quote from: Bettyboop on August 12, 2008, 10:40
Whjat a storm in a tea-cup. Would u lot ever quieten down ur like a bunch of old whining women goin on about a few cents. teh reason why the biggies are not making so much noise is there not intrested in any moral victory. ELs dont account for much on StockXpert or anyplace else and its unlikely they will in the future.

one more thing!! it is not only EL's that is a problem.. It is bargain subs prices too.. Unbelievable someone who is a photographer could justify this thing..

It is too cheap, their sub model.. I heard you can buy SS stock images on a CD for $1 in the far east and Asia.. This is even cheaper so please opt-in you idiot.. May be you can manage to get your images printed on a CD to be sold on the chinese streets for $1, each CD with 100000 images..

isn't it sweet that you are a new member and rushing to get a post in here.. you must be from StockXpert or JI!

Quote from: Bettyboop on August 12, 2008, 10:40
Whjat a storm in a tea-cup. Would u lot ever quieten down ur like a bunch of old whining women goin on about a few cents. teh reason why the biggies are not making so much noise is there not intrested in any moral victory. ELs dont account for much on StockXpert or anyplace else and its unlikely they will in the future.

Repeat after me ... "I will not feed the trolls. I will not..."

Quote from: jsnover on August 12, 2008, 13:24

Quote from: Bettyboop on August 12, 2008, 10:40
Whjat a storm in a tea-cup. Would u lot ever quieten down ur like a bunch of old whining women goin on about a few cents. teh reason why the biggies are not making so much noise is there not intrested in any moral victory. ELs dont account for much on StockXpert or anyplace else and its unlikely they will in the future.

Repeat after me ... "I will not feed the trolls. I will not..."

aawww but Danp did it first!!


(I bit badly, wrote half a page, waited 1/2 hour before posting and then deleted it and put one line)

Quote from: Bettyboop on August 12, 2008, 10:40
Whjat a storm in a tea-cup. Would u lot ever quieten down ur like a bunch of old whining women goin on about a few cents. teh reason why the biggies are not making so much noise is there not intrested in any moral victory. ELs dont account for much on StockXpert or anyplace else and its unlikely they will in the future.

BettyBoob you should consider going back to being a ditzy comic book character cause you what you understand about business would obviously fit inside your teacup.

What makes you think that your little mind could ever presume to think for me or my contemporaries?

Quote from: grp_photo on August 12, 2008, 12:15
People seem to forgot that the biggies are the most vulnerable. With the exception of Iofoto all totally rely on their MS-income they don't play any significant role in macrostock or assignments and even iofoto confessed recently that he had a big turndown in his assignments. They are slaves to the system and have no choice than to say yes to any change they are just toys for the agencies!
Though i'm a professional photographer i don't rely on my MS-income and i'm very happy about it!

This is not true, we are not slaves to the Agencies and we can and do stand up to them when their changes are detrimental to our business. You need to understand that I have to literally make the time to come here and be vocal but before I did I got vocal with management one on one first. What is true is that we have far more equitable ways to express our displeasure with policy changes and spend our time then duking it out on the forums

Quote from: southmind on August 12, 2008, 06:05
I feel bad with StockXpert since several months and now, I know why...
I am very sorry for StockXpert , because I thought that this site could become one of best.

I have a good experience with StockXpert itself.  I haven't uploaded anywhere lately, so I can't say how they're behaving, but my images were normally quickly reviewed and in most of the cases the rejection reason is correct. My earnings there are good (in some months they were my top site), even having opted out from subs. JI seems geared to another way, but while StockXpert remains a good site and let me stay out of "indecent proposals", I'm staying.

I read here in MSG quite often that the subs is irreversible.  I don't know, but I think we should protest more and request more from the sites, like we did with StockXpert/JI in the present case.  FT/DT/123RF don't even discuss this matter, but at least in 123RF it was my mistake to join the site (it's one I consider leaving in the future because subs are so prevalent). 

Regards,
Adelaide

I feel the need to paste my post from another thread here as well.. This is the final warning for blind contributors:

Subs is a big problem.. But even bigger problem is that photos.com gives them away for free..

1-YEAR Subscription U.S. $449.95  WHAT!!!! Did someone say $449.95???!!!!! This is so much cheaper than any sub deal in this bloody industry..

Again: 1-YEAR Subscription U.S. $449.95 What?!!! No, this can't be true.. Someone give me a gun.. There is robbery and the police is watching..

Who are we?!! Charity workers??!!

Hello StockXpert!!! StockXpert!! Are you there???!!!

Who cares about EL's?.. This is much worse: 1-YEAR Subscription U.S. $449.95

Oh my god!! This can't be true.. Please tell me it's not true.. It 's like $0.0001c  per image..

Everybody read this: 1-YEAR Subscription U.S. $449.95

Go and compare it with other sites.. Can't you see what they are doing to "US"

Can't you see that in the near future this might mean SS lowering sub commissions rightfully..

Anyone who opts-in deserves to be treated like a piece of crap..

Quote from: grp_photo on August 12, 2008, 12:15
People seem to forgot that the biggies are the most vulnerable. With the exception of Iofoto all totally rely on their MS-income they don't play any significant role in macrostock or assignments and even iofoto confessed recently that he had a big turndown in his assignments. They are slaves to the system and have no choice than to say yes to any change they are just toys for the agencies!
Though i'm a professional photographer i don't rely on my MS-income and i'm very happy about it!

I agree with you about the biggies being more vulnerable.

I am not in the same league with the top tier being discussed here, but I DO make virtually my entire income from microstock and have for about 2 of the three years I've been doing it. 

My dependence on my microstock income is the very reason I want to preserve the value of my portfolio and OPTED OUT once this photos.com deal came to light.

Both Yuri and Andres have mentioned over the past few months on these boards that they are going to be concentrating their future efforts on mid and macro stock.  That is more likely to be why they are still opted in.  Maybe they no longer have to care about the value of their microstock portfolios...? 

WOW seems I tuched a raw serve wit some of u serial whingers!!! phtoshow u dont know wat i know bout this bizness n im not gettin into no name calling wit u r ironarrow either but list3ning to yall banging on like sum skoolkid whos had his popsicle taken away makes me wunder u pepole got nothin better to be doin iwth ur lives.

so wut category duz that put u in cuz u seem 2 have lotz to say w/out whinging?

Quote from: Bettyboop on August 12, 2008, 20:59
WOW seems I tuched a raw serve wit some of u serial whingers!!! phtoshow u dont know wat i know bout this bizness n im not gettin into no name calling wit u r ironarrow either but list3ning to yall banging on like sum skoolkid whos had his popsicle taken away makes me wunder u pepole got nothin better to be doin iwth ur lives.

Dang I feel like I am talking to Miz!

just looked over at the StockXpert forum, the corresponding thread has 666 posts.  Knew it was a deal with the devil!!!

Quote from: photoshow on August 12, 2008, 21:19

Quote from: Bettyboop on August 12, 2008, 20:59
WOW seems I tuched a raw serve wit some of u serial whingers!!! phtoshow u dont know wat i know bout this bizness n im not gettin into no name calling wit u r ironarrow either but list3ning to yall banging on like sum skoolkid whos had his popsicle taken away makes me wunder u pepole got nothin better to be doin iwth ur lives.

Dang I feel like I am talking to Miz!

I think editorial aka contakt aka bettyboop is more like it.  .... banned once again.

Quote from: leaf on August 12, 2008, 22:14

Quote from: photoshow on August 12, 2008, 21:19

Quote from: Bettyboop on August 12, 2008, 20:59
WOW seems I tuched a raw serve wit some of u serial whingers!!! phtoshow u dont know wat i know bout this bizness n im not gettin into no name calling wit u r ironarrow either but list3ning to yall banging on like sum skoolkid whos had his popsicle taken away makes me wunder u pepole got nothin better to be doin iwth ur lives.

Dang I feel like I am talking to Miz!

I think editorial aka contakt aka bettyboop is more like it.  .... banned once again.

Well done!