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Title: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 14, 2013, 09:54
Hope it's okay.  I thought this deserved its own thread, apart from the tally thread and the google one.  Easier to get the word out if it is prominently displayed. 

With a firm date of Feb. 2 - Ground Hog Day, we can coordinate to send a powerful message message to Getty.

Some exclusives have mentioned in the Istock thread that it might be a good day to turn in the crown too. 

Also, with a set date, it might make for a more compelling story for the media. 

(and a note to the "I've tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas" gang, this is a thread for people who plan to participate in this initiative.  Keep your wet blankets to yourself)

ETA:  A bit ironically, a friend of mine who reads but doesn't post has gone to the trouble to make a list in google docs of the people who have said they are participating in D-Day and the number of images they will be committing to deactivate.  The numbers are a bit lower than Denis' running total because it doesn't include people on Istock threads:


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai9dhorY3ovxdHFCY2FqdkFVQUtLMGRrNUhsVzV0SFE#gid=0 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai9dhorY3ovxdHFCY2FqdkFVQUtLMGRrNUhsVzV0SFE#gid=0)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: trek on January 14, 2013, 10:02
Count me IN!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: elvinstar on January 14, 2013, 10:05
I'm ready!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 14, 2013, 10:17
Yep I agree, hopeffuly this is ok with Tyler. In addition in this thread, members could make a tally of the feb 2nd projected total of all deactivated files which would be different from the actual one from the other thread. This would further encouraged this initiative and could have a snowball effect. As I said earlier, we need that projected one million files to make a dent else this won't work

Count me in for 1163 files

Feb 2nd projected total 1163
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: borg on January 14, 2013, 10:17
I don't understand quite!

What should I do then, deactivate my account for permanent or what?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 14, 2013, 10:21
Yep I agree, hopeffuly this is ok with Tyler. In addition in this thread, members could make a tally of the feb 2nd projected total of all deactivated files which would be different from the actual one from the other thread. This would further encouraged this initiative and could have a snowball effect. As I said earlier, we need that projected one million files to make a dent else this won't work

Count me in for 1163 files

Feb 2nd projected total 1163

Great idea!  I don't think I can or will get all 7k of my images deleted on that day, but I can commit to 500 and I will try and get up to 1k, with more to follow over that week. 

So 1663 so far (firm commitment). 

Borg, I don't plan to close my account and may leave one or two non-people images active so I can check on my account and be sure to collect any money owed me.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: elvinstar on January 14, 2013, 10:24
Add another solid commitment of 1303.

(Total 2966)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: borg on January 14, 2013, 10:29
I'm not up to date!

What was a trigger for this rapid decision?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 14, 2013, 10:46
I'm not up to date!

What was a trigger for this rapid decision?


Few weeks ago Getty secretly made a deal with Google to redistribute over 5,000 iStock images for free. A few days ago an iStock member found out about it. Getty response is to do some more of those deals. The iStock RF agreement is no longer our protection. They are in the process of destroying the value of our images probably for a quick profit and greed.

http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/google-giving-photos-away-free-for-commercial-use-and-istock-agrees/msg290669/?topicseen#new (http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/google-giving-photos-away-free-for-commercial-use-and-istock-agrees/msg290669/?topicseen#new)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: flotsom on January 14, 2013, 10:47
Only have a small portfolio but count me in, just deleted all my pending files too  :(
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 14, 2013, 10:53
Only have a small portfolio but count me in, just deleted all my pending files too  :(

Thanks, how many files? just so we can add it and make a new total?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: dreamstock on January 14, 2013, 11:00
me in.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: KarenH on January 14, 2013, 11:08
I just posted in the tally thread that i am close to totally deactivated.  I am planning on completely closing my account, having already canceled exclusivity.  Maybe I'll wait until Feb 2 to officially close my account.

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on January 14, 2013, 11:09
I've already deactivate my best 100 and will do at least 500 in total.  Think I'll probably leave the low selling stuff there.

Total 3496
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: flotsom on January 14, 2013, 11:17
me in.
48 + 18 pending
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 14, 2013, 11:22
me in.
48 + 18 pending

ok therefore,

Feb 2nd projected total 3562
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: SK on January 14, 2013, 11:24
I will deactivate 10% of my portfolio which is 200 images to help communicate the message. If that doesn't lead to a change at Getty I will delete the remaining 90%. I think this is a vitally important and I urge everyone to participate in whole or part.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Smithore on January 14, 2013, 11:25
I've deactivated my first 100 and 502 other.
So 602 for me.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: dirkr on January 14, 2013, 11:25
I've nothing to add to the deactivation numbers since I already deactivated all my files when the RC system started, but still watching with a lot of interest. If enough people participate it could send a strong message for the whole industry and would possibly strengthen the position of all contributors.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: stockastic on January 14, 2013, 11:27
I'm an  insignificantly small player but I'll be deactivating most of my files if IS hasn't issued some satisfactory statement by then.   And I doubt they will
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 14, 2013, 11:34
Thanks guys, if you put in a number, just add it to the total and post the following line:

Feb 2nd projected total 4364
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Anyka on January 14, 2013, 11:39
I have a photo session that day but will try to deactivate at least 500 (+ 4364 = 4864).
Just out of principle I will NOT delete the 10 worst selling images of my port (oldest + zero sales).  You never know if Istock will (next time) ask us to donate free images for the next batch, do we?   ;)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jjneff on January 14, 2013, 11:44
I am in and will give it a go Feb 2
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Smithore on January 14, 2013, 11:59
I see the photos of the best sellers, included ones in this thread who are always active, it won't hurt anything if they choose to keep they flames burning. Deleting the crappy ones doesn't mean nothing.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jfairone on January 14, 2013, 12:01
I am in! I've already deactivated quite a few, but I am prepared to almost clean out my small portfolio and turn in my crown on that day for maximum impact.  Count me in for about 300.

Julie
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jm on January 14, 2013, 12:01
I'll deactivate appr. 400 images while signing song from Southpark movie - "Blame Canada".
Viva La Resistance :-)

4864 + 400 = 5264
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Pixart on January 14, 2013, 12:03
Boy uploading and stats checking sure is getting easier.  Dropped 123 14 days ago, next IS.  I was already down to 100 after the RC biz, and funnily I was just thinking about submitting again  :o
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: MichaelJayFoto on January 14, 2013, 12:05
Already deactivated 170 images this weekend. But I don't it's hard to find at least 300 more to deactivate. Someone else do the math please.  ::)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 14, 2013, 12:15
ok so far:

Feb 2nd projected total 6034
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on January 14, 2013, 12:37
I may do more, but will deactivate at least 1,000 on Feb 2nd.

I have 2,638 remaining after my test deactivation of 10 today.

Couple of notes about logistics. I would recommend that people not close their accounts even if they remove all their images. One is that if you decide at some later time - under new ownership perhaps - to upload again, your canister will help with upload slots even if it means nothing for royalties. Another is that your name cannot be used by anyone else, plus you can leave a short message on the blog in case anyone comes looking for you.

I am not sure how Photo+ slots work if by deleting a huge portion of your portfolio you have more Photo+ images than your "allowance". I'm guessing that they don't automatically remove them, probably 'cause they haven't written the software to make that happen. If you are deactivating and plan to leave some images there, I'd suggest using up your remaining P+ slots to lock in any images you plan to keep on site prior to starting the deactivation. No sense in leaving any money on the table for any images you  leave on the site.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 14, 2013, 12:44
I see the photos of the best sellers, included ones in this thread who are always active, it won't hurt anything if they choose to keep they flames burning. Deleting the crappy ones doesn't mean nothing.

You did see the title of this thread was about deleting images on Feb 2, right?  Not surprising you are still seeing people's images right now. 

Also, it is a process.  I doubt many of us with multiple thousands of images will be able to get them all down at once, even with Sean's helpful script. 

I view D-Day as the official starting point and we'll see where things go from there.  (WWII didn't stop right away on D-Day either, but it turned the tide) If there is no movement on Getty's part, the images will keep coming down, I am sure. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: kelby on January 14, 2013, 12:46
I'll deactivate my last and first 200 images, for a total of 400 images. that at the moment are lost in nowhere.
i stopped uploads months ago.  :-X
Happy D-Day.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cthoman on January 14, 2013, 12:47
Wow! I never thought I'd see this happen. Good luck everyone. These decisions are never easy. I can't join in because I deleted my image there a while ago.

I addition to what jsnover said, your image stats disappear when you delete your last image, so you may want to copy or record any stats you want to keep.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 14, 2013, 12:51
Feb 2nd projected total 7444
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: rubyroo on January 14, 2013, 13:00
Count me in for Feb 2nd also.

Unless they change their tune, I can't see any other option.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 14, 2013, 13:02
Count me in for Feb 2nd also.

Unless they change their tune, I can't see any other option.

Can you give us an approximate number of images? Thanks
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: fieldsphotos on January 14, 2013, 13:08
I am small peanuts in this game, but I am in.   This whole debacle has been very upsetting to read.   And to think I was considering going exclusive with IS at the beginning of last year when I got back into microstock. 

I will deactivate 126 photos (leaving 1 just so I can keep the account active for the numerous months I am sure it will take to get my stuff off Thinkstock)

New total:  7570 images
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 14, 2013, 13:20
I am small peanuts in this game, but I am in.   This whole debacle has been very upsetting to read.   And to think I was considering going exclusive with IS at the beginning of last year when I got back into microstock. 

I will deactivate 126 photos (leaving 1 just so I can keep the account active for the numerous months I am sure it will take to get my stuff off Thinkstock)

New total:  7570 images

Good to see we are already going to be above the number used in the google deal.  I am certain there will be a lot more images removed. 

Might be a drop in the bucket, but I prefer to see it as a snowball starting to roll down a hill. :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: MichaelJayFoto on January 14, 2013, 13:44
I am not sure how Photo+ slots work if by deleting a huge portion of your portfolio you have more Photo+ images than your "allowance". I'm guessing that they don't automatically remove them, probably 'cause they haven't written the software to make that happen. If you are deactivating and plan to leave some images there, I'd suggest using up your remaining P+ slots to lock in any images you plan to keep on site prior to starting the deactivation. No sense in leaving any money on the table for any images you  leave on the site.

From E+ I know files stay in there. You just don't get new slots until you have made enough uploads again to fill the quota.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jbryson on January 14, 2013, 14:06
I am a little confused. When this was first discussed, I was under the impression that we would be deactivating our entire portfolios. I understand the reasons not to close our accounts entirely, but I'm not sure that deleting a percentage of our portfolios will carry the same message.

I am, therefore, on the fence. I have 6600+ images, but am not as willing to sacrifice a percentage as I am to throw in the towel as a mass exodus. The message will likely not be acknowledged by Getty, but will likely ring throughout the industry sending a message of solidarity and intolerance of disrespect for our intellectual property.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: JPSDK on January 14, 2013, 14:08
Looks like we can easily get up to 10.000 images deleted on 2. feb.
That is a message!
For the first time the agency cannot claim that they add pictures to the collection every day, they are loosing images. Thats a first!

Now we should send a message to them also, a post on their forum (not me, because I am banned), a post with some DEMANDS:

1. Removal of pictures from the socalled promotion deal with microstock and google, or a very good compensation for the involved artists.
2. Negotiation of better royalty rates for the artists when works are sold through Istock.

We should agree to place the same message on the deactivation note, maybe something like: We will not sell this picture through Istock for the time being, since Istock violates the artists rights to distribute his work by giving the works away for free without appropriate compensation for the artist.

-or something else, its just a suggestion, but it would be nice to focus things and send the message, since we are already taking action.
Conclusion is... If we are stepped enough upon, we can gather up and take action. Im happy about that.
"El pueblo unido jamais sera vencido"



Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jbryson on January 14, 2013, 14:12
Consider this analogy:
We are soldiers going to battle. Would our enemy be more likely to retreat if we said:
1. "We will all give our left leg and right pinky finger for this cause."
or
2. "We will all die for this cause."
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cthoman on January 14, 2013, 14:16
Consider this analogy:
We are soldiers going to battle. Would our enemy be more likely to retreat if we said:
1. "We will all give our left leg and right pinky finger for this cause."
or
2. "We will all die for this cause."

I think I'd be more scared of someone that would cut off their leg and pinky. That's demented.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jbryson on January 14, 2013, 14:19
Consider this analogy:
We are soldiers going to battle. Would our enemy be more likely to retreat if we said:
1. "We will all give our left leg and right pinky finger for this cause."
or
2. "We will all die for this cause."

I think I'd be more scared of someone that would cut off their leg and pinky. That's demented.

lol!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: JPSDK on January 14, 2013, 14:20
when people delete their ports, it is dying for the case.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jbryson on January 14, 2013, 14:23
when people delete their ports, it is dying for the case.

Yes, I would consider it dying in one place to continue to live in others.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: JPSDK on January 14, 2013, 14:24
Or even better. I had good sales on the deleted photos today.. at other places.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jjneff on January 14, 2013, 14:30
OK we need to make a lot of noise for D-Day, bomb blogs,FB, you name it. Use your artist skill to come up with something nice I can post on my FB page, Twitter and GPlus. Run a press release and the likes. Just screaming here will do us no good. If you are going to give like this for the cause then by all means go with a fight!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: mlwinphoto on January 14, 2013, 14:32
I have a photo session that day but will try to deactivate at least 500 (+ 4364 = 4864).
Just out of principle I will NOT delete the 10 worst selling images of my port (oldest + zero sales).  You never know if Istock will (next time) ask us to donate free images for the next batch, do we?   ;)

Oldest + zero sales are the images now showing at the top of the best match.  You might want to consider deleting those as well.    ;)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 14, 2013, 14:34
I see D-Day as the starting line, not the finish line. 

Sort of like hostage negotiation.  If you kill off all your hostages at once, there's no reason for anyone to negotiate with you.  Kill off a significant portion - enough to let them know you're serious, then wait to see if they negotiate.  If not, kill some more. 

Eventually, they will blink, or else huge portions of their content, and yes, entire portfolios, are gone.  Those of us who want out of this have to be prepared to delete our entire ports, absolutely. How that is accomplished is up for debate. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on January 14, 2013, 14:39
I am a little confused. When this was first discussed, I was under the impression that we would be deactivating our entire portfolios. I understand the reasons not to close our accounts entirely, but I'm not sure that deleting a percentage of our portfolios will carry the same message.

I am, therefore, on the fence. I have 6600+ images, but am not as willing to sacrifice a percentage as I am to throw in the towel as a mass exodus. The message will likely not be acknowledged by Getty, but will likely ring throughout the industry sending a message of solidarity and intolerance of disrespect for our intellectual property.
My plan is to only leave the worst images I have.  All the ones that have made money are going.  I want to leave some because they will probably take months to remove my images from Thinkstock and I want to make sure I can withdraw all my earnings.  If I'm a few dollars short, I can wait a year for a few sales from my worst images. 

If it could be clear cut and I could have all my images removed from Thinkstock and get all my earnings, I'd do it in one go but unfortunately it's not like that.

I know a lot of people will just delete 10% of their worst sellers but that's not going to put me off this time.  I've had enough.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: stocker2011 on January 14, 2013, 14:54
If you aren't already, i would suggest passing the message around to all your fellow microstockers and directing them to this thread. All of the friends in your istock creative network would be a good start i think.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Poncke on January 14, 2013, 14:58
Count me in, the number is insignificant but still.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sc on January 14, 2013, 15:20
I'll take down at least 1000 that day

Feb 2nd projected total 7034
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Imgorthand on January 14, 2013, 15:25
YESS! Great to see some coordinated action by contributors. Come on people! Let's show who's content is of value here!
I'm going to deactivate files with you on 2nd Feb, let all your friends know!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: MichaelJayFoto on January 14, 2013, 15:29
Looks like we can easily get up to 10.000 images deleted on 2. feb.
That is a message!

Sorry but 10.000 will not be a message. It will be 0.1% of the total library. And it will be 1 day worth of uploading.

Not that I have much hope anyways that things will change. But I think to make a point the minimum you'd need is a 100k.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Smithore on January 14, 2013, 15:31
Looks like we can easily get up to 10.000 images deleted on 2. feb.
That is a message!

Sorry but 10.000 will not be a message. It will be 0.1% of the total library. And it will be 1 day worth of uploading.

Not that I have much hope anyways that things will change. But I think to make a point the minimum you'd need is a 100k.
If the 10000 are top sellers of each contributors, it makes a huge difference!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: MichaelJayFoto on January 14, 2013, 15:35
I see D-Day as the starting line, not the finish line. 

Sort of like hostage negotiation.  If you kill off all your hostages at once, there's no reason for anyone to negotiate with you.  Kill off a significant portion - enough to let them know you're serious, then wait to see if they negotiate.  If not, kill some more. 

Eventually, they will blink, or else huge portions of their content, and yes, entire portfolios, are gone.  Those of us who want out of this have to be prepared to delete our entire ports, absolutely. How that is accomplished is up for debate.

The problem I have is that I mentally can't come up with a realistic response they could give that would make me feel optimistic things would change. iStock is not the same anymore since none of the managing people are involved in the creative field anymore. It used to be photographers, writers, illustrators who ran this company. What do you expect to come out of managers? Even any kind of appeasement can not be trusted in my opinion because next year a different sales person in a different department will come up with a different deal that isn't any better.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Reef on January 14, 2013, 15:42
This sends a message that could generate publicity - I'm in. Have a small port but I'll remove my top 50

Feb 2nd projected total 7084
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: etienjones on January 14, 2013, 15:57
With only 700 images at IS I will remove 100 to see if there is any effect, if not, then more will be removed.

Feb 2nd projected total    7184
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: gostwyck on January 14, 2013, 16:02
Looks like we can easily get up to 10.000 images deleted on 2. feb.
That is a message!

Sorry but 10.000 will not be a message. It will be 0.1% of the total library. And it will be 1 day worth of uploading.

Not that I have much hope anyways that things will change. But I think to make a point the minimum you'd need is a 100k.

Even if the number of images deactivated does become large enough to be considered 'a message'  __ who is it a message to? Istock? They didn't know anything about this deal and it took them several days to find out on our behalf.

This is a Getty deal and I think it is pretty obvious that Istock management doesn't pull much weight in Seattle. Klein himself has always been sneeringly dismissive of the 'amateurs' at Istock although in reality he probably hates us for taking away so much of his market for high-priced images.

I do think that Istock management sounded genuinely alarmed, shared our concerns (in as much as they could admit to) and did their best to find out the details for us. The views being expressed on the IS forum will have left them in no doubt about the strength of our feelings on this issue __ but I suspect that they are completely powerless to act even if they were sympathetic to our concern. If people are downloading images for free off Google rather than buying them from places like Istock then Istock aren't going to need as many employees, so they do have their own interests at heart.

That's what I don't understand about the Getty/Google Drive 'deal'. As I said before, if the deal is bad for us then, being as Getty keeps 80% of the sale price, it must be just as bad or worse for them. With the information we have now it doesn't make sense unless Getty derives some huge benefit in terms of advertising or data. Of course Google's data is it's main asset so maybe they are sharing some of it with Getty?

We've got a couple of weeks before D-Day and maybe we need to reconsider not only what message to send but who to send it to? Obviously deactivating images/portfolios to prevent them being distributed for free is one thing __ but it's probably not going to be a 'message' that anyone with real authority is going to hear.

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 14, 2013, 16:07
If it could be clear cut and I could have all my images removed from Thinkstock and get all my earnings, I'd do it in one go but unfortunately it's not like that.
Lobo was adamant that, contary to our contract, if you leave iStock you will get paid, even if under $100. Suggesting otherwise, in good faith, was one of the reasons I got banned.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: enstoker on January 14, 2013, 16:09
I AM IN !
What a beautiful day :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 14, 2013, 16:14
As a suggestion for deactivation, there are a lot of calls to deactivate best sellers, and that's a great suggestion.

I think it would also be a good idea to delete our niche images first.  Most of our best sellers have probably been copied to death, but if there is a niche that your images serve and very few others, the collection could really be hurt by having those removed. 

Just a thought....
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: tobkatrina on January 14, 2013, 16:17
Count me in- 900+ images. We can't keep taking this BS.........
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on January 14, 2013, 16:21
...That's what I don't understand about the Getty/Google Drive 'deal'. As I said before, if the deal is bad for us then, being as Getty keeps 80% of the sale price, it must be just as bad or worse for them. With the information we have now it doesn't make sense unless Getty derives some huge benefit in terms of advertising or data. Of course Google's data is it's main asset so maybe they are sharing some of it with Getty?

I think this is a move to corner a market, not about the money made on a particular deal. As such they want to be in the driver's seat of the next big shift in how images are sold and I think they think that doing deals with Google is the way forward. If I thought they'd share a reasonable amount of what's made with those who created the images, I wouldn't mind so much.

I think that Google should somehow be a target of D-Day - here are images you'll never get for free giveaway in Google Drive. Or perhaps just kicking up a stink - but they're used to that. They had all the publishing houses them after they began scanning books and they've had the European Union breathing down their necks about anti-competitive behavior.

Finding ways to get those who are concerned that they only use legitimately licensed images (some of those early blog replies on Google's blog asked about that) seems to me to be the important step that we can accomplish. If users were worried about it not being safe to use Google Drive images commercially, it would effectively remove their commercial value to Google and thus in the end Getty. So if users don't like this then Getty and Google don't have more future deals.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 14, 2013, 16:26
If users were worried about it not being safe to use Google Drive images commercially, it would effectively remove their commercial value to Google and thus in the end Getty. So if users don't like this then Getty and Google don't have more future deals.

Yes, yes, yes!  This is exactly what needs to be done.  Many of us were able to significantly affect buyers leaving Istock when the RC credit scheme was spawned.  Now those of us who can need to get the word out to everyone we know in the design community about the legal dangers of using this free content.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 14, 2013, 16:29
Oops in some previous posts we did go backward in the count:

Feb 2nd projected total is now 9,620
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ranplett on January 14, 2013, 16:36
Has anyone thought of setting up a tumblr site to catalog some of the best deactivated files? That would give everyone a decent visual representation of what's going on, and could be really powerful.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on January 14, 2013, 16:45
Has anyone thought of setting up a tumblr site to catalog some of the best deactivated files? That would give everyone a decent visual representation of what's going on, and could be really powerful.


I like this idea a lot. I wouldn't want to run afoul of copyright/IP considerations though so I had a look at tumbler's about and FAQ. Here's the policy (http://www.tumblr.com/policy/en/terms_of_service) which includes the following:

"You also agree that you will respect the intellectual property rights of others, and represent that you have all of the necessary rights to grant us this license for all Subscriber Content you submit to the Services."


If one person opened an account and posted other people's images with their permission (would need a watermark?) would we be OK?

And should we also make one for all the images in the Google Drive deal where the copyright owner isn't happy about them being their - sort of a "use this at your peril" gallery?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Snufkin on January 14, 2013, 16:47
The problem I have is that I mentally can't come up with a realistic response they could give that would make me feel optimistic things would change.
You are right. There is no statement that they could make that would impress me.
They would need to compensate the affected artists with thousands $ for each file, which will never happen.

Deactivating should not be about wanting to achieve something but about protecting our portfolios from becoming worthless.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: SNP on January 14, 2013, 16:49
you're not only affecting yourselves by 'notifying' the design community, you're affecting all of us. sure, go out into the world and libel a company in a rant.

an organized community-driven, well-led business plan is one thing.....the way some of you are approaching this is absurd. that you will simply run out into the street and shout out your anger so haphazardly is as much a red flag to me as Getty's greed and lack of concern for contributors.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Beach Bum on January 14, 2013, 16:50
If nothing improves before then, I'm in !
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 14, 2013, 17:08
you're not only affecting yourselves by 'notifying' the design community, you're affecting all of us. sure, go out into the world and libel a company in a rant.

an organized community-driven, well-led business plan is one thing.....the way some of you are approaching this is absurd. that you will simply run out into the street and shout out your anger so haphazardly is as much a red flag to me as Getty's greed and lack of concern for contributors.

If it is so absurd as you think why iStock forum thread entiltled "Google Stealing Images or Another Deal" followed by another thread entitled "Google Drive + update" totalling 54 pages of angry members, have not been deleted and still going strong without any intervention from iStock to stop it?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: susandaniels on January 14, 2013, 17:14
I will deactivate as many as i can on Feb the 2nd, good plan of action
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: SNP on January 14, 2013, 17:15
you're not only affecting yourselves by 'notifying' the design community, you're affecting all of us. sure, go out into the world and libel a company in a rant.

an organized community-driven, well-led business plan is one thing.....the way some of you are approaching this is absurd. that you will simply run out into the street and shout out your anger so haphazardly is as much a red flag to me as Getty's greed and lack of concern for contributors.

If it is so absurd as you think why iStock forum thread entiltled "Google Stealing Images or Another Deal" followed by another thread entitled "Google Drive + update" totalling 54 pages of angry members, have not been deleted and still going strong without any intervention from iStock to stop it?

I didn't say the concern is absurd. and I'm certainly not going to get into a forum p*ssing contest over here. it is those types of comments, and writing letters, posting here and there and everywhere--carpet bombing tactics that I think are absurd at this point.

please don't speak for "all of us" because you're not speaking for all of us. I'll speak for myself thanks.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: CJ6 on January 14, 2013, 17:17
What's the point of deactivating just a few? Deactivate all, for maximum impact, it's still gonna be just a fraction of the library anyway. You're deactivating, not deleting files! Meaning they're right back online if you want them to be. So there's no point in holding back, contemplating strategies (Lisa explained well comparing it to a hostage situation). But as we now know, it makes no sense, it's not logical since, the number of deactivated files is still going to be negligible, but hopefully enough for those greedy bas.tards to notice ;)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 14, 2013, 17:19
What's the point of deactivating just a few? Deactivate all, for maximum impact, it's still gonna be just a fraction of the library anyway. You're deactivating, not deleting files! Meaning they're right back online if you want them to be. So there's no point in holding back, contemplating strategies (Lisa explained well comparing it to a hostage situation). But as we now know, it makes no sense, it's not logical since, the number of deactivated files is still going to be negligible, but hopefully enough for those greedy bas.tards to notice ;)

Bear in mind that deactivated files over 18 months old must be re-inspected, so not 'right back online if you want them to be' unless all your files are under 18 months old.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: CJ6 on January 14, 2013, 17:20
you're not only affecting yourselves by 'notifying' the design community, you're affecting all of us. sure, go out into the world and libel a company in a rant.

an organized community-driven, well-led business plan is one thing.....the way some of you are approaching this is absurd. that you will simply run out into the street and shout out your anger so haphazardly is as much a red flag to me as Getty's greed and lack of concern for contributors.

If it is so absurd as you think why iStock forum thread entiltled "Google Stealing Images or Another Deal" followed by another thread entitled "Google Drive + update" totalling 54 pages of angry members, have not been deleted and still going strong without any intervention from iStock to stop it?

I didn't say the concern is absurd. and I'm certainly not going to get into a forum p*ssing contest over here. it is those types of comments, and writing letters, posting here and there and everywhere--carpet bombing tactics that I think are absurd at this point.

please don't speak for "all of us" because you're not speaking for all of us. I'll speak for myself thanks.

We wouldn't expect anything more from someone working for free for the Getty empire ;) . You're a loyal servant, I hope you get rewarded somehow ;)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 14, 2013, 17:29
you're not only affecting yourselves by 'notifying' the design community, you're affecting all of us. sure, go out into the world and libel a company in a rant.

an organized community-driven, well-led business plan is one thing.....the way some of you are approaching this is absurd. that you will simply run out into the street and shout out your anger so haphazardly is as much a red flag to me as Getty's greed and lack of concern for contributors.

If it is so absurd as you think why iStock forum thread entiltled "Google Stealing Images or Another Deal" followed by another thread entitled "Google Drive + update" totalling 54 pages of angry members, have not been deleted and still going strong without any intervention from iStock to stop it?

I didn't say the concern is absurd. and I'm certainly not going to get into a forum p*ssing contest over here. it is those types of comments, and writing letters, posting here and there and everywhere--carpet bombing tactics that I think are absurd at this point.

please don't speak for "all of us" because you're not speaking for all of us. I'll speak for myself thanks.

Well... I guess I am certainly not speaking for you....I guess if I like what the majority stand for and I feel and experience what they're saying than I will speak for the majority. .else whats the point? 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: stockastic on January 14, 2013, 17:29
go out into the world and libel a company in a rant.

It's libel only if it's not true.

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: chromaco on January 14, 2013, 17:30
This isn't about Istock or Getty taking notice. This is about taking a stand and saving the industry. If my images stay at IS and they wind up for free on Google or elsewhere not only do I lose but so does every other contributor who is trying to sell a similar image. Even if your image is better and perhaps more appropriate why would they pay for your image when mine is available for free. 6000 free images may kill the value of 60K images still for sale. I have only 20% of my port on IS and none in the Google deal but this move scares the h*ll out of me. I already have enough issues with legitimate theft. I don't need the agencies speeding the process along.

Furthermore this needs to stop with this one deal. Right now there are other ways to sell your images and still make money. If this precedence isn't squashed right now- soon there won't be any other outlets. At least not any that work well enough to justify the work involved.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Mantis on January 14, 2013, 17:35
Looks like we can easily get up to 10.000 images deleted on 2. feb.
That is a message!

Sorry but 10.000 will not be a message. It will be 0.1% of the total library. And it will be 1 day worth of uploading.

Not that I have much hope anyways that things will change. But I think to make a point the minimum you'd need is a 100k.

I was thinking the same thing.  A million would send a message...and a million of their meatiest images.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: SNP on January 14, 2013, 17:39
Furthermore this needs to stop with this one deal. Right now there are other ways to sell your images and still make money. If this precedence isn't squashed right now- soon there won't be any other outlets.

I completely agree with you on this. but I question the wisdom of reacting versus planning a strategy based on facts.

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Poncke on January 14, 2013, 17:44
Furthermore this needs to stop with this one deal. Right now there are other ways to sell your images and still make money. If this precedence isn't squashed right now- soon there won't be any other outlets.

I completely agree with you on this. but I question the wisdom of reacting versus planning a strategy based on facts.
Its all being worked on, in case you missed it.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: leaf on January 14, 2013, 17:45
Furthermore this needs to stop with this one deal. Right now there are other ways to sell your images and still make money. If this precedence isn't squashed right now- soon there won't be any other outlets.

I completely agree with you on this. but I question the wisdom of reacting versus planning a strategy based on facts.



So far, the facts are that Getty decided to give away my image for free on Google and stated they have more plans to do so.  My reaction to these facts are that I'm going to deactivate my images.
I'll for sure do 1000 on feb 2.  Not sure I feel like clicking that many boxes for too many hours but I'll commit to 1000.  I may get addicted and do more though :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: gillian vann on January 14, 2013, 17:49
Even if your image is better and perhaps more appropriate why would they pay for your image when mine is available for free. 6000 free images may kill the value of 60K images still for sale.
+1
very well said and exactly the reason why we should ALL be worried, regardless of our images being on Google Drive or not. And they are training people to expect free images, how sustainable is that?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: SNP on January 14, 2013, 17:50
Furthermore this needs to stop with this one deal. Right now there are other ways to sell your images and still make money. If this precedence isn't squashed right now- soon there won't be any other outlets.

I completely agree with you on this. but I question the wisdom of reacting versus planning a strategy based on facts.



So far, the facts are that Getty decided to give away my image for free on Google and stated they have more plans to do so.  My reaction to these facts are that I'm going to deactivate my images.
I'll for sure do 1000 on feb 2.  Not sure I feel like clicking that many boxes for too many hours but I'll commit to 1000.  I may get addicted and do more though :)

^ fair enough leaf. no one is questioning the anger or the concern, or what this deals means for all of us, so all the power to you and how you choose to handle this. how you handle it is your prerogative. you're not speaking for me, you are speaking for yourself and that's cool. it's those speaking for all of us that I take issue with. spamming this concern into social media without organization or strategy, or answers from Getty doesn't help anyone.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 14, 2013, 17:51
Feb 2nd projected total is now 10,620

We do need a million to make a dent
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: gillian vann on January 14, 2013, 17:55
Furthermore this needs to stop with this one deal. Right now there are other ways to sell your images and still make money. If this precedence isn't squashed right now- soon there won't be any other outlets.

I completely agree with you on this. but I question the wisdom of reacting versus planning a strategy based on facts.



So far, the facts are that Getty decided to give away my image for free on Google and stated they have more plans to do so.  My reaction to these facts are that I'm going to deactivate my images.
I'll for sure do 1000 on feb 2.  Not sure I feel like clicking that many boxes for too many hours but I'll commit to 1000.  I may get addicted and do more though :)

^ fair enough leaf. no one is questioning the anger or the concern, or what this deals means for all of us, so all the power to you and how you choose to handle this. how you handle it is your prerogative. you're not speaking for me, you are speaking for yourself and that's cool. it's those speaking for all of us that I take issue with. spamming this concern into social media without organization or strategy, or answers from Getty doesn't help anyone.

no disrespect, but what are you doing in a community forum if you want to go it alone?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: SNP on January 14, 2013, 18:03
^ where did I say I want to go it alone? nowhere.

I think it's bad for all concerned to go off half-cocked. I'm simply expressing that concern. I care very much about our community and that something like this be handled carefully and in the best interest of our industry. I won't participate in an angry mob, though I don't for a moment question the anger and frustration.

anyways, I knew what to expect posting here and I rarely bother anymore. but a lot of people read here who don't post and it bears representing that many of us are awaiting an answer before making concrete decisions. if someone else finds that helpful, there it is.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: pixel86 on January 14, 2013, 18:11
^ where did I say I want to go it alone? nowhere.

I think it's bad for all concerned to go off half-cocked. I'm simply expressing that concern. I care very much about our community and that something like this be handled carefully and in the best interest of our industry. I won't participate in an angry mob, though I don't for a moment question the anger and frustration.

anyways, I knew what to expect posting here and I rarely bother anymore. but a lot of people read here who don't post and it bears representing that many of us are awaiting an answer before making concrete decisions. if someone else finds that helpful, there it is.

If you want to wait for concrete answers, that's your choice. The deal is already done. The damage is already done, and no one asked contributors for their permission. There is lots of planning and strategy going on, you just need to read through several threads to get the answers. As far as half-cocked...THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FROM ISTOCKGETTY FOR YEARS! People have had PLENTY of time to weigh their choices and make a decision. This is more like the final straw for some. For me and some others, that happened last year.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: click_click on January 14, 2013, 18:13
I dont know if anyone suggested this already but wouldn`t it be great to contact any news agencies to announce D-Day?

News coverage would put some more pressure on iStock.

Unfortunately I have no experience with this or have any contacts in the news industry but maybe someone here on the forums can pull some strings.

Twitter and facebook should be utilized to the max as well.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 14, 2013, 18:19
^ where did I say I want to go it alone? nowhere.

I think it's bad for all concerned to go off half-cocked. I'm simply expressing that concern. I care very much about our community and that something like this be handled carefully and in the best interest of our industry. I won't participate in an angry mob, though I don't for a moment question the anger and frustration.

anyways, I knew what to expect posting here and I rarely bother anymore. but a lot of people read here who don't post and it bears representing that many of us are awaiting an answer before making concrete decisions. if someone else finds that helpful, there it is.

We have the proof that Getty, from their own admittance, have willfully destroy the value of 6,000+ images. What  part of "free image = a worthless one" don't you understand. We did get an answer,  which they said they will continue on doing so.....How would you like to wake up tomorrow morning with a worthless portfolio after you find out that all your images are being distributed for free by such powerhouse as Google. They did say they have several similar deals going on....but they will not let us know what it is?.....I wonder why?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: gillian vann on January 14, 2013, 18:22
^ where did I say I want to go it alone? nowhere.

"please don't speak for "all of us" because you're not speaking for all of us. I'll speak for myself thanks."

sorry, I got the impression from that statement.   you of course know that alone we can't achieve anything, so speaking for yourself is even more useless. even united we may not be able to make a difference, but I'm willing to join in and try.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: StockCube on January 14, 2013, 18:28


So far, the facts are that Getty decided to give away my image for free on Google and stated they have more plans to do so.  My reaction to these facts are that I'm going to deactivate my images.
I'll for sure do 1000 on feb 2.  Not sure I feel like clicking that many boxes for too many hours but I'll commit to 1000.  I may get addicted and do more though :)
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Leaf - I have heard that Sean Locke added a 'deactivate' button to his Greasemonkey script that helps with that sort of thing.  I have absolutely no idea what a 'greasemonkey' or a 'script' are, but I have heard tell it is a nifty thing for those in the know and saves a lot of bother...
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 14, 2013, 18:30
it bears representing that many of us are awaiting an answer before making concrete decisions.

We got an answer, inter alia:
"There have been copyright concerns raised specifically around the right click functionality and lack of embedded metadata within the Google platform, although not ideal from some perspectives this is fairly standard practice for this type of product placement. Lack of attribution has also been mentioned, but this being a license deal rather than a promotional arrangement attribution is not typical or required."
As though the mighty Getty could ot have required right click disabling, retention of copyright metadata and requirement for attribution, although the latter is more honoured in the breach than in the observance.

"Google is an important partner for us and we have many innovative licensing arrangements with them in place and in negotiations. "
despite him having said above that:
"There may eventually be additional content added to this pool/agreement, but at the moment there are no concrete plans"

OP http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=350491&page=1 (http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=350491&page=1)

Even if they spent all weekend sipping Malibus on the beach, it's now 16:25 Calgary time, time enough for them to spin us some more.

NB, at the first school I taught in, back in 1979, when pupils were caught out lying, their first defence was an indignant, "It wisnae a lie, it wis a spin", meaning, "if you were daft enough to believe it, that's your lookout. The derivation is 'spinning a yarn'.
Seems MrErin has taken over from RogerMexico as iStock's official spindoctor. What a demoralising job.

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: stockastic on January 14, 2013, 18:34
FTFY:
Quote
this is fairly standard practice for this type of ripoff.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: gillian vann on January 14, 2013, 18:36
well it's quarter to 5 on Monday in Calgary, has there been any response from them today?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: gostwyck on January 14, 2013, 18:45
^ where did I say I want to go it alone? nowhere.

"please don't speak for "all of us" because you're not speaking for all of us. I'll speak for myself thanks."

sorry, I got the impression from that statement.   you of course know that alone we can't achieve anything, so speaking for yourself is even more useless. even united we may not be able to make a difference, but I'm willing to join in and try.

Stop the off-topic bickering. This is a big serious issue that we need to discuss rationally.

Stacey's got a point. There is no point going off half-cocked on this. Don't forget that Getty 'sold' nearly 7000 images to Google ... of which only about 700 were directly from Istock ... from about 500 contributors, most of whom had only one image involved.

The truth is that 90% of the images involved in this 'deal' were from non-istock artists. Whatever we do to Istock is very unlikely to make any difference at all to Getty. We need to let this news spread and see how others, the biggest and most influential names in the industry, are reacting to it. This is an issue that is probably going to take months, not days or weeks, to resolve or at least get an answer.

This is a major STOCK INDUSTRY-WIDE issue. In terms of the potential losses I'm sure the Grill family (who must have had well over 100 images in there) and many other top 'macro' photographers, who literally invest thousands on each shoot, would ruefully laugh at our complaints in relation to theirs. We need to see what they and others do next.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: SNP on January 14, 2013, 18:49
^ where did I say I want to go it alone? nowhere.

"please don't speak for "all of us" because you're not speaking for all of us. I'll speak for myself thanks."

sorry, I got the impression from that statement.   you of course know that alone we can't achieve anything, so speaking for yourself is even more useless. even united we may not be able to make a difference, but I'm willing to join in and try.

Stop the off-topic bickering. This is a big serious issue that we need to discuss rationally.

Stacey's got a point. There is no point going off half-cocked on this. Don't forget that Getty 'sold' nearly 7000 images to Google ... of which only about 700 were directly from Istock ... from about 500 contributors, most of whom had only one image involved.

The truth is that 90% of the images involved in this 'deal' were from non-istock artists. Whatever we do to Istock is very unlikely to make any difference at all to Getty. We need to let this news spread and see how others, the biggest and most influential names in the industry, are reacting to it. This is an issue that is probably going to take months, not days or weeks, to resolve or at least get an answer.

This is a major STOCK INDUSTRY-WIDE issue. In terms of the potential losses I'm sure the Grill family (who must have had well over 100 images in there) and many other top 'macro' photographers, who literally invest thousands on each shoot, would ruefully laugh at our complaints in relation to theirs. We need to see what they and others do next.

I think a pig just flew past my window. I agree on all points.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on January 14, 2013, 18:51
...and it bears representing that many of us are awaiting an answer before making concrete decisions. ...

No one here has claimed to speak for all stock photographers, or all Getty submitters or all iStock submitters.

Sorry if you don't like action that people are considering, but other than waiting, do you have any proposals?

This stock library went live in December 2012. Getty took 2 days to put together the rather uninformative forum post that went up on iStock late Friday and then has ignored the feedback completely.

They didn't promise any more information when they posted on Friday so what exactly is it you're waiting for?

No one will be foolish enough to libel or slander Getty or Google, but making the knowledge of what they're doing as broad as possible is neither.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Poncke on January 14, 2013, 18:54
^ where did I say I want to go it alone? nowhere.

"please don't speak for "all of us" because you're not speaking for all of us. I'll speak for myself thanks."

sorry, I got the impression from that statement.   you of course know that alone we can't achieve anything, so speaking for yourself is even more useless. even united we may not be able to make a difference, but I'm willing to join in and try.

Stop the off-topic bickering. This is a big serious issue that we need to discuss rationally.

Stacey's got a point. There is no point going off half-cocked on this. Don't forget that Getty 'sold' nearly 7000 images to Google ... of which only about 700 were directly from Istock ... from about 500 contributors, most of whom had only one image involved.

The truth is that 90% of the images involved in this 'deal' were from non-istock artists. Whatever we do to Istock is very unlikely to make any difference at all to Getty. We need to let this news spread and see how others, the biggest and most influential names in the industry, are reacting to it. This is an issue that is probably going to take months, not days or weeks, to resolve or at least get an answer.

This is a major STOCK INDUSTRY-WIDE issue. In terms of the potential losses I'm sure the Grill family (who must have had well over 100 images in there) and many other top 'macro' photographers, who literally invest thousands on each shoot, would ruefully laugh at our complaints in relation to theirs. We need to see what they and others do next.
Thats it, just wait a bit longer. And then wait some more. Because if the big guns dont say or do anything, you can wait until you weigh an ounce. The jeanny is out of the bottle and the bull is running through the china shop. There is no way this can be stopped. D-Day is in the making.  ???
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 14, 2013, 19:16
many of us are awaiting an answer before making concrete decisions. if someone else finds that helpful, there it is.

I sincerely hope you are right and that another answer will be forthcoming that is more satisfactory to the majority of contributors.  That would save me a fortune in time, aggravation, and money.  However I was under the impression that the post my "mr erin" WAS the answer and the only one we are likely to get. 

I haven't been on the istock thread in a few hours.  Has there been any indication from anybody at HQ or Getty that another answer is in the works?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 14, 2013, 19:20
^ where did I say I want to go it alone? nowhere.

"please don't speak for "all of us" because you're not speaking for all of us. I'll speak for myself thanks."

sorry, I got the impression from that statement.   you of course know that alone we can't achieve anything, so speaking for yourself is even more useless. even united we may not be able to make a difference, but I'm willing to join in and try.

Stop the off-topic bickering. This is a big serious issue that we need to discuss rationally.

Stacey's got a point. There is no point going off half-cocked on this. Don't forget that Getty 'sold' nearly 7000 images to Google ... of which only about 700 were directly from Istock ... from about 500 contributors, most of whom had only one image involved.

The truth is that 90% of the images involved in this 'deal' were from non-istock artists. Whatever we do to Istock is very unlikely to make any difference at all to Getty. We need to let this news spread and see how others, the biggest and most influential names in the industry, are reacting to it. This is an issue that is probably going to take months, not days or weeks, to resolve or at least get an answer.

This is a major STOCK INDUSTRY-WIDE issue. In terms of the potential losses I'm sure the Grill family (who must have had well over 100 images in there) and many other top 'macro' photographers, who literally invest thousands on each shoot, would ruefully laugh at our complaints in relation to theirs. We need to see what they and others do next.

I think a pig just flew past my window. I agree on all points.

LOL!  I was thinking the same thing.  Surely this is a sign of the Apocalypse?! ;D
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 14, 2013, 19:21
many of us are awaiting an answer before making concrete decisions. if someone else finds that helpful, there it is.

I sincerely hope you are right and that another answer will be forthcoming that is more satisfactory to the majority of contributors.  That would save me a fortune in time, aggravation, and money.  However I was under the impression that the post my "mr erin" WAS the answer and the only one we are likely to get. 

I haven't been on the istock thread in a few hours.  Has there been any indication from anybody at HQ or Getty that another answer is in the works?

Nope, and there has been no promise of any future answer.
They told it how they want us to think it is, and that's that.
Unless they decide to say something else, but they've had a full working day drinking coffee, filing nails, finding other way to screw contributors.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: CJ6 on January 14, 2013, 19:23
^ where did I say I want to go it alone? nowhere.

I think it's bad for all concerned to go off half-cocked. I'm simply expressing that concern. I care very much about our community and that something like this be handled carefully and in the best interest of our industry. I won't participate in an angry mob, though I don't for a moment question the anger and frustration.

anyways, I knew what to expect posting here and I rarely bother anymore. but a lot of people read here who don't post and it bears representing that many of us are awaiting an answer before making concrete decisions. if someone else finds that helpful, there it is.

If you want to wait for concrete answers, that's your choice. The deal is already done. The damage is already done, and no one asked contributors for their permission. There is lots of planning and strategy going on, you just need to read through several threads to get the answers. As far as half-cocked...THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FROM ISTOCKGETTY FOR YEARS! People have had PLENTY of time to weigh their choices and make a decision. This is more like the final straw for some. For me and some others, that happened last year.

What concrete answers? The type of answers we got in Sep 2010? That money doesn't make us happy? I'd say I can't believe how incredibly naive some people are, but I suspect you're paid for to stir sh!t up here. Divide and conquer, it's worked for 2k years. People stick together this time, let's bring this monster down! Enough of exploitation!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: CJ6 on January 14, 2013, 19:28
^ where did I say I want to go it alone? nowhere.

I think it's bad for all concerned to go off half-cocked. I'm simply expressing that concern. I care very much about our community and that something like this be handled carefully and in the best interest of our industry. I won't participate in an angry mob, though I don't for a moment question the anger and frustration.

anyways, I knew what to expect posting here and I rarely bother anymore. but a lot of people read here who don't post and it bears representing that many of us are awaiting an answer before making concrete decisions. if someone else finds that helpful, there it is.

We have the proof that Getty, from their own admittance, have willfully destroy the value of 6,000+ images. What  part of "free image = a worthless one" don't you understand. We did get an answer,  which they said they will continue on doing so.....How would you like to wake up tomorrow morning with a worthless portfolio after you find out that all your images are being distributed for free by such powerhouse as Google. They did say they have several similar deals going on....but they will not let us know what it is?.....I wonder why?

The indirect damage is huge as it is, without any further steals deals. If it's free, it doesn't matter whether an image is perfect, it's good enough for most people if it's close enough to what they're looking for. With 6000+ images you cover all the subjects pretty well with people being satisfied with close enough images, as long as they're free.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 14, 2013, 19:28

Nope, and there has been no promise of any future answer.
They told it how they want us to think it is, and that's that.
Unless they decide to say something else, but they've had a full working day drinking coffee, filing nails, finding other way to screw contributors.

Thanks for the update Liz.  In the absence of any further meaningful communication from Getty, I think we are all on our own to decide what to do. 

Like Gostwyck and Stacy, I am very interested to see what the big guns do.  It will probably be something behind the scenes, because if lawyers are involved, which they must surely be, they will have advised that people not post about their plans in a public forum.  It may take quite awhile - months - for this to play out. 

Meanwhile, our content is vulnerable.  I plan to participate in sending a group message.  I plan to be as public about that as possible and I plan to welcome anyone else who wants to join in. 

Everyone is free to do what they like, even if that is nothing at all. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 14, 2013, 19:30
^ where did I say I want to go it alone? nowhere.

I think it's bad for all concerned to go off half-cocked. I'm simply expressing that concern. I care very much about our community and that something like this be handled carefully and in the best interest of our industry. I won't participate in an angry mob, though I don't for a moment question the anger and frustration.

anyways, I knew what to expect posting here and I rarely bother anymore. but a lot of people read here who don't post and it bears representing that many of us are awaiting an answer before making concrete decisions. if someone else finds that helpful, there it is.

If you want to wait for concrete answers, that's your choice. The deal is already done. The damage is already done, and no one asked contributors for their permission. There is lots of planning and strategy going on, you just need to read through several threads to get the answers. As far as half-cocked...THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FROM ISTOCKGETTY FOR YEARS! People have had PLENTY of time to weigh their choices and make a decision. This is more like the final straw for some. For me and some others, that happened last year.

What concrete answers? The type of answers we got in Sep 2010? That money doesn't make us happy? I'd say I can't believe how incredibly naive some people are, but I suspect you're paid for to stir sh!t up here. Divide and conquer, it's worked for 2k years. People stick together this time, let's bring this monster down! Enough of exploitation!

Was this directed at Cathy?  Because you were quoting her, and think you may have not been talking to her...?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: CJ6 on January 14, 2013, 19:34
^ where did I say I want to go it alone? nowhere.

I think it's bad for all concerned to go off half-cocked. I'm simply expressing that concern. I care very much about our community and that something like this be handled carefully and in the best interest of our industry. I won't participate in an angry mob, though I don't for a moment question the anger and frustration.

anyways, I knew what to expect posting here and I rarely bother anymore. but a lot of people read here who don't post and it bears representing that many of us are awaiting an answer before making concrete decisions. if someone else finds that helpful, there it is.

If you want to wait for concrete answers, that's your choice. The deal is already done. The damage is already done, and no one asked contributors for their permission. There is lots of planning and strategy going on, you just need to read through several threads to get the answers. As far as half-cocked...THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FROM ISTOCKGETTY FOR YEARS! People have had PLENTY of time to weigh their choices and make a decision. This is more like the final straw for some. For me and some others, that happened last year.

What concrete answers? The type of answers we got in Sep 2010? That money doesn't make us happy? I'd say I can't believe how incredibly naive some people are, but I suspect you're paid for to stir sh!t up here. Divide and conquer, it's worked for 2k years. People stick together this time, let's bring this monster down! Enough of exploitation!

Was this directed at Cathy?  Because you were quoting her, and think you may have not been talking to her...?

Of course not! SNP. Sorry for not being absolutely clear.

ETA: wow now I see how my post is confusing; I used Cathy's phrase "concrete answers".

But I quoted a few of SNP's post, always strongly disagreeing with her
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: wordplanet on January 14, 2013, 19:42
I saw some Getty photogs' who I know who had their photos on the list and let them know.

I have a very tiny portfolio on iStock, under 50 photos, but I'll deactivate a chunk of those I've added in the last 18 months 25 - negligible number I know but I want to support this action. Since my port's so small I don't get a payout very regularly so I want to leave some pix to be sure I get what I've earned. It's a shame, I was ready to upload about 100 new photos & more than triple my portfolio after barely adding anything in 2012 - because sales were picking up for me  - it's too bad they want to destroy the value of our photos. As if what we earn per sale already isn't small enough - but it does add up - 0x0=0 though - big difference.

Total is now 10,645. Over the 10,000 mark - but it would be great to see some more of the really big producers involved.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: CJ6 on January 14, 2013, 19:48
I really can't understand why now, not only after starting his agency, but also opening a thread saying how great sales are and that they're constantly increasing, Yuri doesn't pull his port. After all, his images have been given away.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Susan S. on January 14, 2013, 19:49
I doubt that threatening to delete files will have much effect, but it's about all the small players can do. I've already deleted all my model released photo files when this first came to light as I simply don't trust istock/Getty anymore, whatever they say as they have proved themselves so untrustworthy. The other photo files up at istock I don't care so much about, but I may delete all my illustrations. I'll hold off until Feb 2 doing that, so I can join in to the Great Delete.

It's easy for me to do as it's just toy money (but the last month it hasn't even been coffee money let alone toys, so it makes it easier still). Not so easy for those who depend on istock for income - but the way things are going I can't see that income holding up to anything even for the full timers. Getty seem to have nailed their colours to the mast for treating the photos as their own personal property and there is no future in that for image creators.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: luissantos84 on January 14, 2013, 20:04
I really can't understand why now, not only after starting his agency, but also opening a thread saying how great sales are and that they're constantly increasing, Yuri doesn't pull his port. After all, his images have been given away.


July 2012 (http://hunchmag.com/interview-yuri-arcurs-the-top-selling-microstock-photographer/ (http://hunchmag.com/interview-yuri-arcurs-the-top-selling-microstock-photographer/))

- 8 Million $
- 10k files sold per day
- over 100 employees

October 2012 (http://www.microstockgroup.com/selling-direct/today-is-a-good-day-peopleimages-com-is-up-up-up (http://www.microstockgroup.com/selling-direct/today-is-a-good-day-peopleimages-com-is-up-up-up)!/)

- 11900$ (357k $ x 12 = 4.28 M $)

why leaving 8 Million ?

(BTW his portfolio link isn't working here, http://www.dreamstime.com/yuri-arcurs_info (http://www.dreamstime.com/yuri-arcurs_info))
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 14, 2013, 20:07
Getting ready to sign off for the evening and go have a real life, if I can concentrate while I am worried about this situation, that is.

But I just wanted to say a big Woo Yay for everybody who is already taking down images, and/or planning to participate in D-Day.  There is hope for this industry yet, if we can all work together to protect our intellectual property.  Lot of courageous and principled people here.  :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Beach Bum on January 14, 2013, 20:09
This isn't about Istock or Getty taking notice. This is about taking a stand and saving the industry. If my images stay at IS and they wind up for free on Google or elsewhere not only do I lose but so does every other contributor who is trying to sell a similar image. Even if your image is better and perhaps more appropriate why would they pay for your image when mine is available for free. 6000 free images may kill the value of 60K images still for sale. I have only 20% of my port on IS and none in the Google deal but this move scares the h*ll out of me. I already have enough issues with legitimate theft. I don't need the agencies speeding the process along.

Furthermore this needs to stop with this one deal. Right now there are other ways to sell your images and still make money. If this precedence isn't squashed right now- soon there won't be any other outlets. At least not any that work well enough to justify the work involved.

Exactly!  Every agency should be concerned about Istock's actions.  This affects every contributor and every agency, regardless of their inclusion in this initial deal. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sshaw on January 14, 2013, 21:45
Already cancelled exclusivity on jan 2nd because of refund stuff And tanking sales. Then this stuff happens, and makes me glad i did it when I did.  Also I find it funny how when I voiced my opinion in the forums over these latest issues.  My downloads completely stopped.  Today has been 6 days without 1 single download.   Like really!!!  Good thing they don't mess with people's ports when they speak out in the forums against iStock/Getty.   6 days 0 dls.   I crap you not
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Microstock Man on January 14, 2013, 21:56
Quote
(BTW his portfolio link isn't working here, [url]http://www.dreamstime.com/yuri-arcurs_info[/url] ([url]http://www.dreamstime.com/yuri-arcurs_info[/url]))


wow thats strange. Yet his images are easily found...

http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-images-business-man-stretching-his-hand-handshake-image10130379 (http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-images-business-man-stretching-his-hand-handshake-image10130379)

Could he have done the dash from DT?

Would be very interesting to get his thoughts on this whole debacle. Yuri, you out there?
Title: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: iStop on January 14, 2013, 22:10
If you look through the portfolios of the top 10 iStock contributors, nearly all of them added new images in December and January. What message does that send to iStock/Getty and tell you about the continued commitment of iStock's top selling contributors despite falling sales, shake-ups, shake-downs, unethical Getty practices, etc?

I guess none of the top deck will be joining this little tea party because they know where their bread is buttered.

So while this group will be deleting, they will be adding.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 14, 2013, 22:26
^ where did I say I want to go it alone? nowhere.

"please don't speak for "all of us" because you're not speaking for all of us. I'll speak for myself thanks."

sorry, I got the impression from that statement.   you of course know that alone we can't achieve anything, so speaking for yourself is even more useless. even united we may not be able to make a difference, but I'm willing to join in and try.

Stop the off-topic bickering. This is a big serious issue that we need to discuss rationally.

Stacey's got a point. There is no point going off half-cocked on this. Don't forget that Getty 'sold' nearly 7000 images to Google ... of which only about 700 were directly from Istock ... from about 500 contributors, most of whom had only one image involved.

The truth is that 90% of the images involved in this 'deal' were from non-istock artists. Whatever we do to Istock is very unlikely to make any difference at all to Getty. We need to let this news spread and see how others, the biggest and most influential names in the industry, are reacting to it. This is an issue that is probably going to take months, not days or weeks, to resolve or at least get an answer.

This is a major STOCK INDUSTRY-WIDE issue. In terms of the potential losses I'm sure the Grill family (who must have had well over 100 images in there) and many other top 'macro' photographers, who literally invest thousands on each shoot, would ruefully laugh at our complaints in relation to theirs. We need to see what they and others do next.

The fact that my actions may not make any difference to Getty survival is not as important to me as protecting the value of my images. Getty dictate and while I observe, my only course of action is to abandon ship...what else can I do..I have nothing against iStock, but I will not risk to lose my images just because iStock are nice people.

Getty have been continuously devaluing the RF industry and their contributors since they acquired iStock .

So no, it is not about Getty, it is about my images.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on January 14, 2013, 22:44
Quote
(BTW his portfolio link isn't working here, [url]http://www.dreamstime.com/yuri-arcurs_info[/url] ([url]http://www.dreamstime.com/yuri-arcurs_info[/url]))


wow thats strange. Yet his images are easily found...

[url]http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-images-business-man-stretching-his-hand-handshake-image10130379[/url] ([url]http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-images-business-man-stretching-his-hand-handshake-image10130379[/url])


If I had to guess, they don't want him promoting his own web site from his DT profile page so they disabled it.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sdeva on January 14, 2013, 23:09

With a firm date of Feb. 2 - Ground Hog Day, we can coordinate to send a powerful message message to Getty.

Some exclusives have mentioned in the Istock thread that it might be a good day to turn in the crown too. 

Also, with a set date, it might make for a more compelling story for the media. 


I'm in - will deactivate certain number of my files on this date.  In the reason do we write 'Deactivate day' or what? Great initiative .. that may not only send a resounding message but also become a forerunner as a meaningful action platform for microstockers!!  :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: gbalex on January 14, 2013, 23:44
You can count me in.  Removed the majority of my images in 2011 and the remaining images containing people a few daya ago.

Will disable the remaining 500 next month, thou I may take them down sooner, need to sleep on it.  Sean thankyou for the script, it will make it easier to wade through the rest.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: roboz on January 14, 2013, 23:52
This concerted action of microstock contributors can be only the beginning - otherwise it won’t change a thing. Because the Getty campaign was just the beginning, too, IMO.

So every single image counts, every single little needle stinging the bum of the agencies is important. I never cared much about IS, because never felt comfy there, so my portfolio is close to nothing - and so my contribution to D-Day are only 20 images, half of the portfolio and the best selling ones. And as soon as I get my payment, I delete the rest.

But whenever there is a plan to make another statement somewhere else, I am in again - with my full support and some hundred images. Because doing nothing and keep my mouth shut is like accepting the immorality and the greed of those companies with their own personal legislation. And even if I can’t change it - now - I feel better to do something to stop anarchic acting companies, to give other people a good example and a motivation to stand up for their rights - anywhere and anytime.

So, where are we now? I lost track. Just add another 20 images and another fellow on your side.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: oxman on January 15, 2013, 00:23
With mixed emotions I have to speak up.

As an IS exclusive, it possibly benefits me when you nice folks delete your files. But the majority of you are friends and really wonderful people and I do not wish to benefit from my friend's actions when I feel they are involved in a martyrdom activity that will have little affect or significance to Getty management. The files you are deleting can make money for you. You worked hard creating them. They should stay and work for you.

Getty management will not care about what you do and will be glad a bunch of "squeaky wheel malcontents" are out of the system. They have plenty of images. The iStock "amateurs" are not that important to them. That is why they will cut unethical deals and cut your commissions and leave iStock staff in the dark about what shady dealings they are doing. Getty and Klien are unethical, back stabbing, ruthless, money-grubbing, narcissistic shysters. YOU don't matter. And buyers don't care as long as they find an image they want at a good price.

If you feel strongly about trying to make a statement; do it. But I feel the only one you will be hurting will be yourself.

OX
...thinking this through
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: michaeldb on January 15, 2013, 00:42
Only about 300 of my portfolio of 2000 or so illustrations are still on IS. But I did deactivate 13 more today (about half of them were flames). So add that to the total. (I might add that stopping submitting to IS and deleting most of my port there has not exactly 'martyred' me -- my year-over-year sales went way up after I stopped contributing to IS - buyers found my images elsewhere.)

Should I have waited for Feb 2 to deactivate? Sorry, but I think that most of the people who are waiting are not really planning to deactivate files at all, I'm afraid they are making threats and hoping that IS will come up with some placating announcement in the meantime, and then everyone can go back to normal.

But that is a mistake. Independents are slowly committing suicide by submitting to IS. Every dollar Getty earns is going to be used against us eventually. This business is a war: Getty/iS and their Exclusives versus the other sites and us Independent Submitters.

Think twice before you put more money in Getty/iS's pockets. It may seem that you are gaining, but you are really helping them gain. In the end, they will strangle us, put us out of business, and leave themselves and their exclusives as the only microstock game in town. That is their goal; we should not help them attain it.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Pixart on January 15, 2013, 00:45
Thanks for your concern Ox, but I think I would be hurting myself more if I permit them to continue to take ownership of what I upload, strip the metadata and distribute it freely as their own. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: luissantos84 on January 15, 2013, 00:51
Quote
(BTW his portfolio link isn't working here, [url]http://www.dreamstime.com/yuri-arcurs_info[/url] ([url]http://www.dreamstime.com/yuri-arcurs_info[/url]))


wow thats strange. Yet his images are easily found...

[url]http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-images-business-man-stretching-his-hand-handshake-image10130379[/url] ([url]http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-images-business-man-stretching-his-hand-handshake-image10130379[/url])


If I had to guess, they don't want him promoting his own web site from his DT profile page so they disabled it.


thats a very good guess, I had my website removed because it contained istock on the middle of it (ministocking)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: chromaco on January 15, 2013, 01:40
Quote "As an IS exclusive, it possibly benefits me when you nice folks delete your files. But the majority of you are friends and really wonderful people and I do not wish to benefit from my friend's actions when I feel they are involved in a martyrdom activity that will have little affect or significance to Getty management."

You are absolutely right that you are going to benefit from this. As an exclusive your view of microstock is IStock. So your perspective is skewed to think that this initiative is just about Getty/Istock which is actually quite reasonable. Your argument holds a lot of value from your perspective but not a lot of value from mine.

This is my perspective. I have a product that I want to sell for many more years. My product will sell as long as there are people who are willing to buy it. I know that as long as there are customers I will find an outlet or an agency to represent my product and I can continue to make a living off of my images. I am willing to change and adapt as needed but as long as I have potential customers I will find a way to sell to them. If all of a sudden all of your images are offered for free because your agent decides to give them away, my customers start to go away. Pretty soon free is what is expected and I can no longer make a living because I no longer have customers. Am I scared to have my images given away by Getty... yes, but not nearly as scared as I am of them giving away everyone's images. I can create new images and I can change sales avenues but I cannot compete with free. There needs to be a stand and if I need to take a hit to my income to ensure my future that is what I need to do.

I agree that Getty/IS could care less about me, but they aren't the only players in this game. The industry is bigger than that and others are watching. The contributors need to make a stand and show a united front. If enough people step up the agencies will take notice and maybe, just maybe they will think twice before one of them strikes the next "deal".
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on January 15, 2013, 01:57
...As an IS exclusive, it possibly benefits me when you nice folks delete your files. But the majority of you are friends and really wonderful people and I do not wish to benefit from my friend's actions when I feel they are involved in a martyrdom activity that will have little affect or significance to Getty management. The files you are deleting can make money for you. You worked hard creating them. They should stay and work for you....
If you feel strongly about trying to make a statement; do it. But I feel the only one you will be hurting will be yourself.


I think the element you might be missing is that the big concern is what happens to our ability to earn money from our images if we leave them in Getty's hands. They have demonstrated (although thankfully not yet with my images) that they are willing to let them be redistributed for free with the payment of an absolute pittance. Once that happens (and the Friday statement said it was a deal that would probably be expanded), our images in such a deal have no more commercial value.

It's a very, very hard thing to consider leaving iStock - I've been there since 2004 - but the consequences of staying have become beyond unreasonable. It's like a forced buyout of your portfolio at a few dollars per image - I am not interested in doing that but Getty has said they will not permit an opt out. So the only opt out I have is to remove my images now, before they give them away.

All very sad. And possibly I am hurting myself, but I feel it's better that I do it a little bit than Getty does it a whole lot.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: dreamstock on January 15, 2013, 01:58
Quote "As an IS exclusive, it possibly benefits me when you nice folks delete your files. But the majority of you are friends and really wonderful people and I do not wish to benefit from my friend's actions when I feel they are involved in a martyrdom activity that will have little affect or significance to Getty management."

You are absolutely right that you are going to benefit from this. As an exclusive your view of microstock is IStock. So your perspective is skewed to think that this initiative is just about Getty/Istock which is actually quite reasonable. Your argument holds a lot of value from your perspective but not a lot of value from mine.

This is my perspective. I have a product that I want to sell for many more years. My product will sell as long as there are people who are willing to buy it. I know that as long as there are customers I will find an outlet or an agency to represent my product and I can continue to make a living off of my images. I am willing to change and adapt as needed but as long as I have potential customers I will find a way to sell to them. If all of a sudden all of your images are offered for free because your agent decides to give them away, my customers start to go away. Pretty soon free is what is expected and I can no longer make a living because I no longer have customers. Am I scared to have my images given away by Getty... yes, but not nearly as scared as I am of them giving away everyone's images. I can create new images and I can change sales avenues but I cannot compete with free. There needs to be a stand and if I need to take a hit to my income to ensure my future that is what I need to do.

I agree that Getty/IS could care less about me, but they aren't the only players in this game. The industry is bigger than that and others are watching. The contributors need to make a stand and show a united front. If enough people step up the agencies will take notice and maybe, just maybe they will think twice before one of them strikes the next "deal".

agreed 100%.

I don't care that IS doesn't care about me but I need to try my best  to protect my products from being given away for free.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ThomasAmby on January 15, 2013, 02:28
I was just discussing this the other day, so this came timely. More than ever I'm ready to deactivate my entire portfolio and lose out on the income. I just don't care anymore, and since I'm a student in Denmark I can always get state education grant if my income falls way below the pain threshold. My portfolio consists of only 82 files unfortunately, but they are all vector files and have sold quite well over time. I may keep one (insignificant) image in case they close my account if there are no files at all.

This thread makes me very happy and proud to be part of this community. I'm looking much forward to manually deactivating my files one by one on D-day (should have happened way earlier, but I'm glad it's happening now).

Count me in for 81 files
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: dirkr on January 15, 2013, 03:30
I may keep one (insignificant) image in case they close my account if there are no files at all.

They haven't closed mine, and is it without images for about two years now...
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ThomasAmby on January 15, 2013, 03:32
Count me in for 82 files
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Tabimura on January 15, 2013, 04:08
Quote
(BTW his portfolio link isn't working here, [url]http://www.dreamstime.com/yuri-arcurs_info[/url] ([url]http://www.dreamstime.com/yuri-arcurs_info[/url]))


wow thats strange. Yet his images are easily found...

[url]http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-images-business-man-stretching-his-hand-handshake-image10130379[/url] ([url]http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-images-business-man-stretching-his-hand-handshake-image10130379[/url])


If I had to guess, they don't want him promoting his own web site from his DT profile page so they disabled it.


Stop stirring the pot for a typo. It's yuri_arcurs, not yuri-arcurs.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: leaf on January 15, 2013, 05:18
Quote
(BTW his portfolio link isn't working here, [url]http://www.dreamstime.com/yuri-arcurs_info[/url] ([url]http://www.dreamstime.com/yuri-arcurs_info[/url]))



wow thats strange. Yet his images are easily found...

[url]http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-images-business-man-stretching-his-hand-handshake-image10130379[/url] ([url]http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-images-business-man-stretching-his-hand-handshake-image10130379[/url])


If I had to guess, they don't want him promoting his own web site from his DT profile page so they disabled it.


Stop stirring the pot for a typo. It's yuri_arcurs, not yuri-arcurs.



Here's the link
http://www.dreamstime.com/yuri_arcurs_info (http://www.dreamstime.com/yuri_arcurs_info)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on January 15, 2013, 05:21
The income from my istock portfolio is so low now and I've never been comfortable with under 20% commission.  I've deactivated my top 140 earning images and while I was doing it all I could think of was why didn't I do this years ago?  The Google deal was the straw that broke the camels back.  I didn't have any images involved but seeing that people were losing lots of potential future earnings for $12 and the reply we had from istock made me realise that I just had to do something now.

If they do bring back a flat 20% commission, sack all the managers that have been making appalling decisions for the past few years and give a guarantee that they're going to inform us about everything well in advance in the future, I'll reactivate my images.  There's absolutely no chance of that happening.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: leaf on January 15, 2013, 06:02

So far, the facts are that Getty decided to give away my image for free on Google and stated they have more plans to do so.  My reaction to these facts are that I'm going to deactivate my images.
I'll for sure do 1000 on feb 2.  Not sure I feel like clicking that many boxes for too many hours but I'll commit to 1000.  I may get addicted and do more though :)





Leaf - I have heard that Sean Locke added a 'deactivate' button to his Greasemonkey script that helps with that sort of thing.  I have absolutely no idea what a 'greasemonkey' or a 'script' are, but I have heard tell it is a nifty thing for those in the know and saves a lot of bother...


Yeah, I've been using it already.   Thanks.  Here's the link for others
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=350491&messageid=6818805#post6818805 (http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=350491&messageid=6818805#post6818805)

edit: fixed the quotes
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: CJ6 on January 15, 2013, 06:42
What's the point of deactivating just a few? Deactivate all, for maximum impact, it's still gonna be just a fraction of the library anyway. You're deactivating, not deleting files! Meaning they're right back online if you want them to be. So there's no point in holding back, contemplating strategies (Lisa explained well comparing it to a hostage situation). But as we now know, it makes no sense, it's not logical since, the number of deactivated files is still going to be negligible, but hopefully enough for those greedy bas.tards to notice ;)

Bear in mind that deactivated files over 18 months old must be re-inspected, so not 'right back online if you want them to be' unless all your files are under 18 months old.

OK, then at the very least, deactivate ALL of the files that are under 18 months old.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jjneff on January 15, 2013, 07:09
Why Don't we get behind a site like GL, our images need a good home after D-Day, we could use D-Day to hit iStock and at the same time help build up another site for our work! D-Day at iStock means V-Day at GL a dual message would be better as it is also a positive one for buyers. Picking a small site like GL and boosting its business is good for all of us. We could then take all our negative energy and focus on driving buyers to a new place for our content. I would love to sing the praise of another just to get my mind off if iStock.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 15, 2013, 07:17
Have people thought about SMing all those on their contact list who may not have heard about this?
Way back (before RCs) there was some other shenanigans they were getting up to and I mass SMd my as-was CN. One person deleted me from his CN as a result (you know who you are!), and over ten people SMd back to thank me for letting them know, as they never visit the forum.

In the interest of open-ness, I'm at a family event away from home on 2nd Feb and won't be sitting in the middle deleting images slow as treacle on my mobile. Sorry. However, I'm working identifying recent 0 sellers (easy with the current best match) that I'm going to deactivate and send RM, and will do so as and when. And I'm not uploading. But I don't think they'll even blink about that.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jtyler on January 15, 2013, 08:02
The problem I have is that I mentally can't come up with a realistic response they could give that would make me feel optimistic things would change.
You are right. There is no statement that they could make that would impress me.
They would need to compensate the affected artists with thousands $ for each file, which will never happen.

Deactivating should not be about wanting to achieve something but about protecting our portfolios from becoming worthless.

After thinking about this long and hard throughout the night, if you deactivate, those images are worthless also, except if you are non-exclusive and have them at other site.  How do we know that we will be able to reactivate.  IS has been known to close people's accounts and take other measures, such as banning people from Forums.  They would feel it is within their right to not allow deactivation.  They have already taken away opt out.  IS can be very vindictive behind their "we are supportive of contributors doing well" lines. I am very concerned about being able to reactivate.  Going elsewhere is not an option for me.

Those of you who have other outlets, there will still be income coming in.  At this moment I need every penny I can get from IS.  My top sellers are no longer being downloaded in any significant numbers.  I am almost only selling images before 2009, and they differ all the time.

I can certainly deactivate non-selling images, which will add to the total.  I think it is irrelevant whether they are top sellers or not.  Even with a lightbox showing what images, I don't think IS would care.  There are thousands of top contributors, who have been vocal about issues in the past and we are not hearing from them now..  Numbers alone are more significant, but it is only a gesture.

The only way there will be action is if there is a law suit.  Even if we don't win, they have to spend $, maybe lots of it to defend a class action suit.  I absolutely do not think they will respond to anything else.  The deals have been struck and they are not going to be changed.  But if we can show disregard for copyright and putting models at risk, then we have a bargaining chip.  If we get models saying they do not want their images handled this way (which would be done in a lawsuit as evidence), that would be pretty powerful.

I think the deactivation may get press coverage and affect sales some.  Buyers may form a boycott and once they leave and find the many quality images that can be gotten elsewhere, cheaper from new agencies, they may not come back.

Anyway, these are my concerns and should be thought over very carefully before to something that only hurts the contributor in the long run.

That was my 50 cents worth.  Just things to consider.

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on January 15, 2013, 08:08
Why Don't we get behind a site like GL, our images need a good home after D-Day, we could use D-Day to hit iStock and at the same time help build up another site for our work! D-Day at iStock means V-Day at GL a dual message would be better as it is also a positive one for buyers. Picking a small site like GL and boosting its business is good for all of us. We could then take all our negative energy and focus on driving buyers to a new place for our content. I would love to sing the praise of another just to get my mind off if iStock.
I'm all for being positive about GL.  I would also recommend Pond5 for anyone with video clips.  They pay 50% commission, let us set prices and have lots of buyers.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sdeva on January 15, 2013, 08:33
Why Don't we get behind a site like GL, our images need a good home after D-Day, we could use D-Day to hit iStock and at the same time help build up another site for our work! D-Day at iStock means V-Day at GL a dual message would be better as it is also a positive one for buyers. Picking a small site like GL and boosting its business is good for all of us. We could then take all our negative energy and focus on driving buyers to a new place for our content. I would love to sing the praise of another just to get my mind off if iStock.

Sorry my experience with GL has not been positive  >:(.  I find their rejections unacceptable as they have managed to reject my images that have been accepted by other sites (I'm on 10+ sites) including Istock, SS etc.  On other hand they sell pretty little!  Someone commented on another thread that they may be prioritizing illustrations, vectors etc as against photographic images and in that case your proposal may be relevant for some of those contributors.  Just my take.  However the Deactivation day sounds like a plan and I will participate unless things change and its called off.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 15, 2013, 08:55
Feb 2nd projected total is now 11,400
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Mantis on January 15, 2013, 09:01
On the Istock forums they have removed all posts with Sean's Greasmonkey script.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on January 15, 2013, 09:08
On the Istock forums they have removed all posts with Sean's Greasmonkey script.
I'm surprised they left it there so long
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Silberkorn on January 15, 2013, 09:16
On the Istock forums they have removed all posts with Sean's Greasmonkey script.
I'm surprised they left it there so long

 :D The script seems to work well!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: leaf on January 15, 2013, 09:17
On the Istock forums they have removed all posts with Sean's Greasmonkey script.


No they haven't.  It's right here
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=350491&messageid=6818805#post6818805 (http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=350491&messageid=6818805#post6818805)

.. but here's the direct link in case they do remove it
http://digitalplanetdesign.com/scripts/IS_myUploads_fixes.user.js (http://digitalplanetdesign.com/scripts/IS_myUploads_fixes.user.js)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jm on January 15, 2013, 09:18
It's still there. But just in case they delete it - this is link to script (http://digitalplanetdesign.com/scripts/IS_myUploads_fixes.user.js)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: John W. on January 15, 2013, 09:22
I might have missed it somewhere but can anyone tell me what will happen to the images on PP-sites when I disable them on IS?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Mantis on January 15, 2013, 09:44
On the Istock forums they have removed all posts with Sean's Greasmonkey script.


No they haven't.  It's right here
[url]http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=350491&messageid=6818805#post6818805[/url] ([url]http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=350491&messageid=6818805#post6818805[/url])

.. but here's the direct link in case they do remove it
[url]http://digitalplanetdesign.com/scripts/IS_myUploads_fixes.user.js[/url] ([url]http://digitalplanetdesign.com/scripts/IS_myUploads_fixes.user.js[/url])


Sweet. I just went through every page there and others are saying the same thing....that it is missing. Thanks. Intend on using it on my underwater work that costs me thousands in travel expenses to get.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jtyler on January 15, 2013, 09:57
I tried that link and it appears to be dysfunctional.  Tried to open twice - from the link and after saving it.  Sean could you post it here?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sdeva on January 15, 2013, 10:11
Please, could someone explain what this deactivation link does?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: leaf on January 15, 2013, 10:15
First you have to install greasemonkey  (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/greasemonkey/)as a firefox
plug in
Then you click Sean's link and it will automatically install the script within greasemonkey.

Then, when you visit the iStock portfolio page, you'll have an extra collum that gives you the option to deactivate an image.  I just saves clicking into each image individually and lets you do 20 deactivations on a single page.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on January 15, 2013, 10:28
I might have missed it somewhere but can anyone tell me what will happen to the images on PP-sites when I disable them on IS?

Eventually they will be deleted there. Sometimes it has taken a while for this to happen and people have ended up contacting contributor relations to do it manually.

In theory it should be automatic although I believe they have up to 90 days (it says somewhere in the ASA) to do it.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on January 15, 2013, 10:33
If I had to guess, they don't want him promoting his own web site from his DT profile page so they disabled it.

Stop stirring the pot for a typo. It's yuri_arcurs, not yuri-arcurs.

I don't think there is a typo. If on DT you search for one of Yuri's images (business team was the term I used) and then click on the link shown on the DT site with his name you get the disabled page. So if there is a typo, DT made it.

And why do you think it's stirring the pot to mention that Yuri's portfolio page says his account doesn't exist?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Pixart on January 15, 2013, 10:48
The problem I have is that I mentally can't come up with a realistic response they could give that would make me feel optimistic things would change.
You are right. There is no statement that they could make that would impress me.
They would need to compensate the affected artists with thousands $ for each file, which will never happen.

Deactivating should not be about wanting to achieve something but about protecting our portfolios from becoming worthless.

After thinking about this long and hard throughout the night, if you deactivate, those images are worthless also, except if you are non-exclusive and have them at other site.  How do we know that we will be able to reactivate.  IS has been known to close people's accounts and take other measures, such as banning people from Forums.  They would feel it is within their right to not allow deactivation.  They have already taken away opt out.  IS can be very vindictive behind their "we are supportive of contributors doing well" lines. I am very concerned about being able to reactivate.  Going elsewhere is not an option for me.

Those of you who have other outlets, there will still be income coming in.  At this moment I need every penny I can get from IS.  My top sellers are no longer being downloaded in any significant numbers.  I am almost only selling images before 2009, and they differ all the time.

I can certainly deactivate non-selling images, which will add to the total.  I think it is irrelevant whether they are top sellers or not.  Even with a lightbox showing what images, I don't think IS would care.  There are thousands of top contributors, who have been vocal about issues in the past and we are not hearing from them now..  Numbers alone are more significant, but it is only a gesture.

The only way there will be action is if there is a law suit.  Even if we don't win, they have to spend $, maybe lots of it to defend a class action suit.  I absolutely do not think they will respond to anything else.  The deals have been struck and they are not going to be changed.  But if we can show disregard for copyright and putting models at risk, then we have a bargaining chip.  If we get models saying they do not want their images handled this way (which would be done in a lawsuit as evidence), that would be pretty powerful.

I think the deactivation may get press coverage and affect sales some.  Buyers may form a boycott and once they leave and find the many quality images that can be gotten elsewhere, cheaper from new agencies, they may not come back.

Anyway, these are my concerns and should be thought over very carefully before to something that only hurts the contributor in the long run.

That was my 50 cents worth.  Just things to consider.


jtyler, I feel for you and other exclusives who are in this position.  Do what you can.  Consider what steps you will take if you need to cancel exclusivity in the future (just in case you are suddenly pushed too far).  There was a charity that used to say "give until it feels good".... maybe take until it feels good.  Keep an eye on what is happening and have your metadata ready to blast the other agencies.   
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jtyler on January 15, 2013, 11:07
jtyler, I feel for you and other exclusives who are in this position.  Do what you can.  Consider what steps you will take if you need to cancel exclusivity in the future (just in case you are suddenly pushed too far).  There was a charity that used to say "give until it feels good".... maybe take until it feels good.  Keep an eye on what is happening and have your metadata ready to blast the other agencies.
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I have certainly thought about it and have made some inquiries to other sites.  I'm watching suggestions carefully, as many of you are more familiar with other sites than I am.  We'll see where it goes.  There could be retaliation by IS for those posting negatively.  Believe me, I do not put it past them, and how would we know except when our sales keep going down.  Monday I had $4 in sales.  Not sure I was ever near that low on a week day.  So that could be the factor that puts me over the edge.  Leaves the door open for all those who did not take a stand.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: RacePhoto on January 15, 2013, 11:23
Looks interesting and should be fun to watch.  8)

Good thing you started a new dedicated thread!

I might have missed it. I'm doing year end backups, taxes, and lots of paperwork, forms and ordering required inspections.


Hope it's okay.  I thought this deserved its own thread, apart from the tally thread and the google one.  Easier to get the word out if it is prominently displayed. 

With a firm date of Feb. 2 - Ground Hog Day, we can coordinate to send a powerful message message to Getty.

Some exclusives have mentioned in the Istock thread that it might be a good day to turn in the crown too. 

Also, with a set date, it might make for a more compelling story for the media. 

(and a note to the "I've tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas" gang, this is a thread for people who plan to participate in this initiative.  Keep your wet blankets to yourself)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on January 15, 2013, 11:35
...Monday I had $4 in sales.  Not sure I was ever near that low on a week day.  So that could be the factor that puts me over the edge.  Leaves the door open for all those who did not take a stand.

Jan, I thought I was having a bad Monday when it was $15.xx!! Difficult times...

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Batman on January 15, 2013, 12:00
Looks like we can easily get up to 10.000 images deleted on 2. feb.
That is a message!

Sorry but 10.000 will not be a message. It will be 0.1% of the total library. And it will be 1 day worth of uploading.

Not that I have much hope anyways that things will change. But I think to make a point the minimum you'd need is a 100k.

Then take down another 10,000 and if that doesn't get their attention another 10,000. I behind this and will be removing deactivating most of my pictures.

No surprise that the biggest IS cheerleader SNP came out of hiding to tell us we're not speaking for her and a minority of people who would applaud if IS cut their commissions more and gave away more of their photos.

iZombies want to chant and cover their ears so they can't hear the truth.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: pixel86 on January 15, 2013, 12:08
Focus on this: you arent taking down to force a change AT ALL. The damage has already been done. You are taking down to save your property.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 15, 2013, 12:55

Getty management will not care about what you do and will be glad a bunch of "squeaky wheel malcontents" are out of the system. They have plenty of images. The iStock "amateurs" are not that important to them. That is why they will cut unethical deals and cut your commissions and leave iStock staff in the dark about what shady dealings they are doing. Getty and Klien are unethical, back stabbing, ruthless, money-grubbing, narcissistic shysters. YOU don't matter. And buyers don't care as long as they find an image they want at a good price.

Ox, you are a great guy and I sincerely do appreciate your advice and your consideration.  But I would ask you to please reread the above paragraph you've written (which is quite eloquent IMO)  and ask yourself why ANY of us, exclusive or not, would want to be in business with this company. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: oxman on January 15, 2013, 13:33

Getty management will not care about what you do and will be glad a bunch of "squeaky wheel malcontents" are out of the system. They have plenty of images. The iStock "amateurs" are not that important to them. That is why they will cut unethical deals and cut your commissions and leave iStock staff in the dark about what shady dealings they are doing. Getty and Klien are unethical, back stabbing, ruthless, money-grubbing, narcissistic shysters. YOU don't matter. And buyers don't care as long as they find an image they want at a good price.

Ox, you are a great guy and I sincerely do appreciate your advice and your consideration.  But I would ask you to please reread the above paragraph you've written (which is quite eloquent IMO)  and ask yourself why ANY of us, exclusive or not, would want to be in business with this company.

i still make good $$
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: aeonf on January 15, 2013, 13:36
Taking down at least 22 including a few Vetta's.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: donding on January 15, 2013, 13:59
I thankfully deleted my port there over a year ago and am so thankful I did. The morals behind this company are so questionable which was why I left. I really find it hard to believe that Getty only got $60.00 a pop for these images. This company is based on GREED. Why would they put top selling images on Goggle to be downloaded for free if they weren't making a huge profit. Some of you figured at $60.00 a pop that's about $360,000.00 based on 6000 images. Getty is a huge company and $360,000.00 isn't much money in their eyes for a long term deal like Google. Then if they paid everyone their share of $12.00, then that puts their profit at $288,000.00. I don't think they would do that for such a low amount of money. We'll probably never see the contract to know what they really were paid for these images.

I really feel for you contributors that depend on this income for a living. Your really stuck between a rock and a hard place and iStock has you by the balls. I really believe this is probably why the majority of these images are exclusives. I know there is a count going on here as far as how many images will be deleted on Feb 2nd, which is really a small amount, but there are many contributors out there that don't post on forums that are or have already deleted their images to protect what is left. The number is probably higher than you think.

I feel that deactivating images is a good idea, but I see some mentioning they are deactivating the ones that are non sellers. How does that protect your images? Getty isn't going to put an image that hasn't sold on Google, only the sellers which Google would want. They are probably still supplying images as we speak, so as some have mentioned they are deactivating their best sellers and model released images.

Even for those of us that have port elsewhere are effected by this, and even those that don't plan to leave because they think it is better for them that a bunch of you are leaving. Put simply, if you were a customer, and saw an image you liked, but then saw one on the Google Drive that might be as good but is free....wouldn't you go for the free one? It effects us all. Think about it.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Starzipan on January 15, 2013, 14:42
Even for those of us that have port elsewhere are effected by this, and even those that don't plan to leave because they think it is better for them that a bunch of you are leaving. Put simply, if you were a customer, and saw an image you liked, but then saw one on the Google Drive that might be as good but is free....wouldn't you go for the free one? It affects us all. Think about it.

I do not have a portfolio on I-stock at all after reading up on some of their previous injustices and deciding it was not a company for me. 

While I can't really do much to support this, it's fantastic contributors are banding together to fight for protecting our rights as contributors.  Free images would certainly hurt the small fries like myself and others because it's so very difficult to compete with free.  Why would they pay anything for my images at another place if they can find a similar image for free? 

I'm rooting for all of you that are taking a stand.  I do hope it sends a message not only to I-Stock but to other companies as well. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: leaf on January 15, 2013, 14:50
For anyone who feels this initiative 'won't make a difference anyhow', here's why I don't agree.

It will make a BIG difference to me and my images.  My images will no longer be licensed through an agency who is willing to let my images be given away from free.  That is the big difference I'm trying to make.  Anything more is bonus.  Having everyone remove their images on the same day may or may not raise iStock's proverbial eyebrows but no matter what, it will save my portfolio from being given away for free as part of an exciting 'deal'
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: HughStoneIan on January 15, 2013, 15:07
For anyone who feels this initiative 'won't make a difference anyhow', here's why I don't agree.

It will make a BIG difference to me and my images.  My images will no longer be licensed through an agency who is willing to let my images be given away from free.  That is the big difference I'm trying to make.  Anything more is bonus.  Having everyone remove their images on the same day may or may not raise iStock's proverbial eyebrows but no matter what, it will save my portfolio from being given away for free as part of an exciting 'deal'

+100
 I don't think it can be summed up any more rationally than that.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Pixart on January 15, 2013, 16:12
snip..... I really find it hard to believe that Getty only got $60.00 a pop for these images. This company is based on GREED. Why would they put top selling images on Goggle to be downloaded for free if they weren't making a huge profit. Some of you figured at $60.00 a pop that's about $360,000.00 based on 6000 images. Getty is a huge company and $360,000.00 isn't much money in their eyes for a long term deal like Google. Then if they paid everyone their share of $12.00, then that puts their profit at $288,000.00. I don't think they would do that for such a low amount of money. We'll probably never see the contract to know what they really were paid for these images....

Oh, don't kid yourself.  I would expect that there was some sort of contra deal where Getty was issued several $K in advertising credits.  Getty would argue that it's impossible to pay a commission to the artist for say.... 600,000 clicks or views. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on January 15, 2013, 16:26
For anyone who feels this initiative 'won't make a difference anyhow', here's why I don't agree.

It will make a BIG difference to me and my images.  My images will no longer be licensed through an agency who is willing to let my images be given away from free.  That is the big difference I'm trying to make.  Anything more is bonus.  Having everyone remove their images on the same day may or may not raise iStock's proverbial eyebrows but no matter what, it will save my portfolio from being given away for free as part of an exciting 'deal'

In addition to the above (which I gave a heart to as I agree with it) I think it may make a difference to other agencies that are wondering if they can get in on Getty's act. It is in our best interests to have them be aware that they'll lose images if they pull this sh*t.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cobalt on January 15, 2013, 19:17
I sincerly hope that pressure from high ranking getty contributors will achieve an opt out. Many exclusives wgith portfolios with over 7000 files. even if they know they need to walk away they still need time to prepare.

what is happening is that many people have dropped other file exclusivity, first video then ilustrations adn are actively building portfolios elsewhere. others are just out looking for jobs, even part time.

if there is no opt out of these deals, the. I will go over my content and see what needs immediate saving and what is so old, that I can risk losing control of it.

but most important that i find time in my daily life to shoot more videos and upload to the other sites. i am quite pleased with the results even if my portfolio is tiny.

obviously if there is no opt out and the disrespect continues, then i must pull out. again, i would need to first secure another job before iwalk away.

but i won't just deactivate the whole portfolio. the connections built are my work and you cannot rule out that getty gets old again in 2 years to people who have better business instincts.

the management can come and go, the marketplace will stay.

but what getty has done is make me focus on video and exploring other sites in detail. anyway, they don't need us. istock is trly dead.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: luissantos84 on January 15, 2013, 19:23
Quote
(BTW his portfolio link isn't working here, [url]http://www.dreamstime.com/yuri-arcurs_info[/url] ([url]http://www.dreamstime.com/yuri-arcurs_info[/url]))



wow thats strange. Yet his images are easily found...

[url]http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-images-business-man-stretching-his-hand-handshake-image10130379[/url] ([url]http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-images-business-man-stretching-his-hand-handshake-image10130379[/url])


If I had to guess, they don't want him promoting his own web site from his DT profile page so they disabled it.


Stop stirring the pot for a typo. It's yuri_arcurs, not yuri-arcurs.



Here's the link
[url]http://www.dreamstime.com/yuri_arcurs_info[/url] ([url]http://www.dreamstime.com/yuri_arcurs_info[/url])


sorry but that wasn't the problem, they have changed it, my link was correct, actually I tried a few times and in different browsers
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 15, 2013, 19:26
The thing is, how would you word exactly what you want to opt out of?
Clearly many would want to opt out of taking part in promotions without payment.
But the Google deal wasn't a promotion, it was a special EL.
But it may be that other special ELs may not be so objectionable.
So you'd need to be incredibly prescient to clarify what you wanted to be opted out of, making sure you hadn't allowed them any space to out you into any unforeseen deal in future, but also making sure that you were 'in' anything that was reasonable.
'Future imponderables' consitute a very difficult semantic quagmire to negotiate, also perhaps different suppliers have different tolerance levels.
For example, we could all say we wanted opted out of deals like the Getty one, but they could decide to put our work onto FAA and cream off 80% plus their 'brokerage commission' or whatever they'd call it.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cobalt on January 15, 2013, 19:40
I think when you read what they offer, it will jump right out at you where the problems are. Obviously the community will be all over it as well.

People are just so tired of being taken for a ride by them. The level of disrespect is mind staggering. It can only be done by people who don´t know how to put a dollar value on a marketplace. For the right investeor a b2b plattform like istock can be worth 100s of millions of dollars because they know how to grow it and build it. Unfortunately getty has decided it is just a silly nuisance and rode it into the ground.

2 years ago we had 4 woo yay threads a year with hundreds of comments by happy contributors, last year for all of 2012 there was only one single lone thread with 69 comments.

At some point, at some business meeting, there will be an investor who looks under the hood to check if the fictional value of getty on paper has any legs. It might be someone wanting to invest in the "monetize views from donated crowd sourced images" untested technology ventures.

I know we can all not wait until somebody with a lot of money walks into their office and says "you know what - that huge user generated content creation crowd sourcing business platform" that you said you had - it is just a sad hollow empty shell. You are not getting our money, we are investing with competitor xyz who actually has a user generated...buzzword...

what I am trying to say - deleting content you can´t risk to lose, absolutely, prefering to upload model released images to agencies that you trust more - I think as an independent that will be a no brainer.

but full time exclusives have to balance daily income with risk.

I am talking to a lot of people who want to pull out right now.But I see only the ones with steady day jobs actually do it immediatly.

But everyone is looking at the options, some people are doing it for the very first time. It is a big world out there with lots of opportunity. And everyone is reading agency contracts in great detail. very great detail...

A member form the German community who has just quit hois exclusivity has started a new facebook group that is highly active. he will also delete his content at the end of the 30 days. he works with TV stations and he explained to us in painful detail if he ever gave a client a project and that client then discovered teh files could have been had for free with google docs or office. he said this would impact his reputation so badly, he might lose that client. So he has also decided he will avoid both istock and getty in the future as a buyer and look for exclusive content on agencies where the content is only available from them.

On a postive note, the unexpected crisis is building new strong networking ties. It will leave the whole media producer community better connected. the old divide and rule game doesn´t work anymore.

eta: excuse the spelling, i am too tired.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 15, 2013, 19:51
The thing is, how would you word exactly what you want to opt out of?
Clearly many would want to opt out of taking part in promotions without payment.
But the Google deal wasn't a promotion, it was a special EL.
But it may be that other special ELs may not be so objectionable.
So you'd need to be incredibly prescient to clarify what you wanted to be opted out of, making sure you hadn't allowed them any space to out you into any unforeseen deal in future, but also making sure that you were 'in' anything that was reasonable.
'Future imponderables' consitute a very difficult semantic quagmire to negotiate, also perhaps different suppliers have different tolerance levels.
For example, we could all say we wanted opted out of deals like the Getty one, but they could decide to put our work onto FAA and cream off 80% plus their 'brokerage commission' or whatever they'd call it.

IMO it would make more sense for them to opt everyone out of all extra deals by default, and then run these deals by the contributors and ask for volunteers to select images for donation, and offer reasonable compensation.  Alternatively they could approach contributors whose files have been selected individually and negotiate terms with them.  You know, kind of like an agent would do... :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 15, 2013, 19:52
The thing is, how would you word exactly what you want to opt out of?
Clearly many would want to opt out of taking part in promotions without payment.
But the Google deal wasn't a promotion, it was a special EL.
But it may be that other special ELs may not be so objectionable.
So you'd need to be incredibly prescient to clarify what you wanted to be opted out of, making sure you hadn't allowed them any space to out you into any unforeseen deal in future, but also making sure that you were 'in' anything that was reasonable.
'Future imponderables' consitute a very difficult semantic quagmire to negotiate, also perhaps different suppliers have different tolerance levels.
For example, we could all say we wanted opted out of deals like the Getty one, but they could decide to put our work onto FAA and cream off 80% plus their 'brokerage commission' or whatever they'd call it.

IMO it would make more sense for them to opt everyone out of all extra deals by default, and then run these deals by the contributors and ask for volunteers to select images for donation, and offer reasonable compensation.  Alternatively they could approach contributors whose files have been selected individually and negotiate terms with them.  You know, kind of like an agent would do... :)

That would be great  ;D
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Beach Bum on January 15, 2013, 19:54
I thankfully deleted my port there over a year ago and am so thankful I did. The morals behind this company are so questionable which was why I left. I really find it hard to believe that Getty only got $60.00 a pop for these images. This company is based on GREED. Why would they put top selling images on Goggle to be downloaded for free if they weren't making a huge profit. Some of you figured at $60.00 a pop that's about $360,000.00 based on 6000 images. Getty is a huge company and $360,000.00 isn't much money in their eyes for a long term deal like Google. Then if they paid everyone their share of $12.00, then that puts their profit at $288,000.00. I don't think they would do that for such a low amount of money. We'll probably never see the contract to know what they really were paid for these images.

I really feel for you contributors that depend on this income for a living. Your really stuck between a rock and a hard place and iStock has you by the balls. I really believe this is probably why the majority of these images are exclusives. I know there is a count going on here as far as how many images will be deleted on Feb 2nd, which is really a small amount, but there are many contributors out there that don't post on forums that are or have already deleted their images to protect what is left. The number is probably higher than you think.

I feel that deactivating images is a good idea, but I see some mentioning they are deactivating the ones that are non sellers. How does that protect your images? Getty isn't going to put an image that hasn't sold on Google, only the sellers which Google would want. They are probably still supplying images as we speak, so as some have mentioned they are deactivating their best sellers and model released images.

Even for those of us that have port elsewhere are effected by this, and even those that don't plan to leave because they think it is better for them that a bunch of you are leaving. Put simply, if you were a customer, and saw an image you liked, but then saw one on the Google Drive that might be as good but is free....wouldn't you go for the free one? It effects us all. Think about it.

You're right.  It's not much for Getty.  I wonder if this deal is recurring.  Maybe Getty provides a certain number of images every month. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 15, 2013, 20:00

A member form the German community who has just quit hois exclusivity has started a new facebook group that is highly active. he will also delete his content at the end of the 30 days. he works with TV stations and he explained to us in painful detail if he ever gave a client a project and that client then discovered teh files could have been had for free with google docs or office. he said this would impact his reputation so badly, he might lose that client. So he has also decided he will avoid both istock and getty in the future as a buyer and look for exclusive content on agencies where the content is only available from them.

Thanks for sharing this Jasmin.  I believe your friend will be in good company.  If this and other deals continue, more and more buyers will stop having any faith in micro images, and perhaps RF images in general.  This will effectively devalue all our microstock images - guilt by association. 

Maybe some new image exclusive agencies will form and we can contribute to those.  Might take awhile for all this to shake out.  I sure wish I had a day job, but not qualified to do anything else that will make me any decent money. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Microbius on January 16, 2013, 03:36
To those who are complaining that this is not going to do anything. Of course Getty isn't going to care about this action in isolation all that much.

I see it in the context of the continuing decline of IStock, another reaction to yet another betrayal by Getty. One more (bigger) step towards the now inevitable demise of Getty's venture into the crowd sourcing model. Results of contributor action can be seen by looking at the graph for traffic to IStock over the last couple of years.

They bought IStock as ether a way of entering into new markets (fail-- IStock's traffic is going through the floor and exclusives are leaving in droves) or to destroy the micro model (fail--- buyers are fleeing to the sites that actually work and offer content at a reasonable price, not sticking around to pay more for content)

Don't doubt that contributor dissatisfaction and action is having an effect, it's just that these things don't happen overnight.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: fotografer on January 16, 2013, 05:54
I don't know if this has been brought up or not but what if when we deactivate our images they then in retaliation decide to move them over to google from the partner programme in the 90 days that they still have the images there. Would they be able to do that legally?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: PaulieWalnuts on January 16, 2013, 06:19
I have certainly thought about it and have made some inquiries to other sites.  I'm watching suggestions carefully, as many of you are more familiar with other sites than I am.  We'll see where it goes.  There could be retaliation by IS for those posting negatively.  Believe me, I do not put it past them, and how would we know except when our sales keep going down.  Monday I had $4 in sales.  Not sure I was ever near that low on a week day.  So that could be the factor that puts me over the edge.  Leaves the door open for all those who did not take a stand.

Yeech, $4 with over 5,000 files? Very sorry to hear it has gotten that bad. From a financial standpoint could going independent be any worse?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Mantis on January 16, 2013, 07:07
I don't know if this has been brought up or not but what if when we deactivate our images they then in retaliation decide to move them over to google from the partner programme in the 90 days that they still have the images there. Would they be able to do that legally?

This is what I've been thinking about. Just depends on if Google would be willing to cough up another chunk of change.  Of course, Getty could sweeten the deal and we get a penny for our image. :o
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on January 16, 2013, 07:12
Hopefully they will take more than 90 days to do another deal with Google and my images will be out of there.  I didn't wait for February 2end to deactivate my best images, don't want to give them any more time and I think if we all deactivate on the same day, they will probably take longer to get them off of Thinkstock and Photos.com.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: JFP on January 16, 2013, 07:33
Guys, I am not sure if this has been mentioned in the 10 previous pages, but deleted x0,000 images from istock is completely useless if you only delete them. The news will not get to the decision makers at Getty or Carlyle.

This need to be followed by a PRESS RELEASE in newspapers if you want it to get noticed....

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: leaf on January 16, 2013, 08:08
Guys, I am not sure if this has been mentioned in the 10 previous pages, but deleted x0,000 images from istock is completely useless if you only delete them. The news will not get to the decision makers at Getty or Carlyle.

This need to be followed by a PRESS RELEASE in newspapers if you want it to get noticed....




Did you see this post
http://www.microstockgroup.com/17961/17961/msg291246/#msg291246 (http://www.microstockgroup.com/17961/17961/msg291246/#msg291246)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Michael Lancaster on January 16, 2013, 08:48
I am not supporting the Getty deal but let face it: today a "thief" can find almost any best seller with the google image search function at a reasonable size.
Getty has a huge number of files, so deleting/deactivating a few files is not more than a drop in the ocean.
After seeing what Craig Peters told people at Luminance 2012 I understand that today we are facing some changes.
I believe that by deactivating my own files I will only harm my personal economy and no one others.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: rubyroo on January 16, 2013, 09:12
Quote from: Michael Lancaster link=topic=17961.msg291460#msg291460
After seeing what Craig Peters told people at Luminance 2012 I understand that today we are facing some changes.

What did he tell people?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Microbius on January 16, 2013, 09:14
Craig Peters Speaks at Luminance 2012 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn_tMAiG0es#ws)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: rubyroo on January 16, 2013, 09:15
Thank you Microbius  :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Microbius on January 16, 2013, 09:16
No problem
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 16, 2013, 09:31
I am not supporting the Getty deal but let face it: today a "thief" can find almost any best seller with the google image search function at a reasonable size.

Here's the problem.  These images aren't just being marketed to "thieves".  They are being marketed to design pros as acceptable content they can legally license for FREE to use in commercial applications.  These aren't thieves, they are our legitimate customers! 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Microbius on January 16, 2013, 09:36
Yeah, I'm not sure what Craig Peters had to say has any bearing on this deal. This just seems like a money grab on Getty's part with p*ss poor returns for the contributor. Not one of these super innovative deals Peters was on about.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 16, 2013, 09:49
Yeah, I'm not sure what Craig Peters had to say has any bearing on this deal. This just seems like a money grab on Getty's part with p*ss poor returns for the contributor. Not one of these super innovative deals Peters was on about.

I tend to agree that this definitely didn't work out as he was describing, but I do think it's one of their attempts to get this ironed out. 

If the total payment to the photographer is the $12, as a one time thing, then that is totally unacceptable.  If this is part of a bigger initiative to come up with other ways to make royalties which would be shared fairly with content owners, that should have been set up before this deal was ever made, and still should be based on consultation with, and agreement from contributors. 

The example he cites of youtube content creators sharing in royalties from views on youtube is a good one.  He specifically states that people uploading content were given a choice whether or NOT to have their content used that way.

I think a lot of us would be open to experimenting with different ways of making money on images, as long as that money was shared with us equitably and as long as we could choose what, if any, content we contributed to such a scheme. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on January 16, 2013, 09:56
....I believe that by deactivating my own files I will only harm my personal economy and no one others.
By not taking a stand, they will just continue giving away images with virtually no compensation and cutting commissions until there's very little left.  So what would they have to do to make you deactivate images?  They've passed my tolerance limit.

I can understand exclusives and people that don't really care about the money doing nothing about this but not independents that want to make money from microstock in years to come.  Doing nothing is guaranteed to lose us lots of money, I think it's got to the stage where doing something is the best business decision for lots of us.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: rubyroo on January 16, 2013, 10:12
Thanks again Microbius - had to watch it in stages due to interruptions, but just finished it.

I said elsewhere that I was curious as to whether this Google deal was an initial attempt to test Picscout viability, and that video makes me feel more certain that it does have something to do with that, but that it's been done without sufficient forethought, consideration and (without any) discussion with the most important 'stakeholders' - i.e. us.

The way this deal was done and the lack of any opt-out seems to fly in the face of so much that he said. 

It would certainly be nice to get a pay-per-click deal on every right-clicker's usage of my images - I'd be very happy to receive remuneration in instances where I currently receive none, but I'd also want the fundamental system of licensing and payment to continue alongside it.

It's funny that any time royalty drops are raised they talk about their overall split and never seem to really acknowledge the impact on individuals at all.  We're not even important enough to be 'just a number' to them.  We seem to be just an invisible portion of the total number.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: PeterChigmaroff on January 16, 2013, 10:15
I am not supporting the Getty deal but let face it: today a "thief" can find almost any best seller with the google image search function at a reasonable size.

Here's the problem.  These images aren't just being marketed to "thieves".  They are being marketed to design pros as acceptable content they can legally license for FREE to use in commercial applications.  These aren't thieves, they are our legitimate customers!

It is a form of auto-immune disease.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Mantis on January 16, 2013, 10:16
I am not supporting the Getty deal but let face it: today a "thief" can find almost any best seller with the google image search function at a reasonable size.

Here's the problem.  These images aren't just being marketed to "thieves".  They are being marketed to design pros as acceptable content they can legally license for FREE to use in commercial applications.  These aren't thieves, they are our legitimate customers!

Exactly.  Well stated Lisa. And I wonder if Getty even considered that they are shooting themselves in the foot by driving buyers away from them to google.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 16, 2013, 10:32
If the total payment to the photographer is the $12, as a one time thing, then that is totally unacceptable. 

Indeed.
SuperSean worked out that according to Getty's own calculator, it should be $3390 full cost, which would be $678 to the contributor, which considering the high saleability of many of the files concerned is very cheap at the price.
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=350491&messageid=6818045 (http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=350491&messageid=6818045)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: pixel86 on January 16, 2013, 10:35
I am not supporting the Getty deal but let face it: today a "thief" can find almost any best seller with the google image search function at a reasonable size.

Here's the problem.  These images aren't just being marketed to "thieves".  They are being marketed to design pros as acceptable content they can legally license for FREE to use in commercial applications.  These aren't thieves, they are our legitimate customers!

Exactly.  Well stated Lisa. And I wonder if Getty even considered that they are shooting themselves in the foot by driving buyers away from them to google.


I suspect they are NOT shooting themselves in the foot in any way. They may have taken a hit financially short term, but in their long term plans they will a. (Try to) kill microstock and b. eliminate all the "riff-raff" (contributors not part of their elite group). Sounds like getty is right on target.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Mantis on January 16, 2013, 10:38
I am not supporting the Getty deal but let face it: today a "thief" can find almost any best seller with the google image search function at a reasonable size.

Here's the problem.  These images aren't just being marketed to "thieves".  They are being marketed to design pros as acceptable content they can legally license for FREE to use in commercial applications.  These aren't thieves, they are our legitimate customers!

Exactly.  Well stated Lisa. And I wonder if Getty even considered that they are shooting themselves in the foot by driving buyers away from them to google.


I suspect they are NOT shooting themselves in the foot in any way. They may have taken a hit financially short term, but in their long term plans they will a. (Try to) kill microstock and b. eliminate all the "riff-raff" (contributors not part of their elite group). Sounds like getty is right on target.

If that's what their intention is then I fully agree with you. If its otherwise, they have some pretty stupid decision makers in their ranks.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 16, 2013, 10:50
Back to the malice or incompetence question.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on January 16, 2013, 11:44
I am not supporting the Getty deal but let face it: today a "thief" can find almost any best seller with the google image search function at a reasonable size.

Here's the problem.  These images aren't just being marketed to "thieves".  They are being marketed to design pros as acceptable content they can legally license for FREE to use in commercial applications.  These aren't thieves, they are our legitimate customers!

Exactly.  Well stated Lisa. And I wonder if Getty even considered that they are shooting themselves in the foot by driving buyers away from them to google.


I suspect they are NOT shooting themselves in the foot in any way. They may have taken a hit financially short term, but in their long term plans they will a. (Try to) kill microstock and b. eliminate all the "riff-raff" (contributors not part of their elite group). Sounds like getty is right on target.
Have people forgotten about SS?  Far from killing them, everything Getty or their owners has done in the past few years seems to of strengthened them.  Some people say that Thinkstock was made to kill SS but SS now sell more pay per download and are overall in a much better position than a few years ago.  Driving a lot of exclusives and non-exclusives away from istock with the latest fiasco is likely to strengthen SS even more.  So I don't quite buy the killing microstock argument, unless they're incompetent at that as well.

They could of killed off microstock years ago by making it much easier for most of us to become Getty contributors.  Or they could of made istock exclusivity more lucrative years ago, getting us all to sign up and killing off all the other microstock sites.  What they have done is probably one of the worst ways to try and kill microstock.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Elenathewise on January 16, 2013, 12:04
I am not supporting the Getty deal but let face it: today a "thief" can find almost any best seller with the google image search function at a reasonable size.

Here's the problem.  These images aren't just being marketed to "thieves".  They are being marketed to design pros as acceptable content they can legally license for FREE to use in commercial applications.  These aren't thieves, they are our legitimate customers!

Exactly.  Well stated Lisa. And I wonder if Getty even considered that they are shooting themselves in the foot by driving buyers away from them to google.


I suspect they are NOT shooting themselves in the foot in any way. They may have taken a hit financially short term, but in their long term plans they will a. (Try to) kill microstock and b. eliminate all the "riff-raff" (contributors not part of their elite group). Sounds like getty is right on target.

Nobody can "kill" microstock:) Microstock is a new and very viable business model and it's not going away. Any "elite" group will always lose to inclusive business model (=microstock). Open and evolving system always beats closed and inflexible one. High volume of legit sales always beats occasional big one. Getty doesn't understand the value of selling images to general public the same way IBM in it's time didn't understand the value of OS for personal computers, and this is how Microsoft came to life. We all know that story. So really, Getty is just old inflexible dinosaur trying it's best to adapt to fast-changing world, but doing really bad at it since they keep using their old business methods. They see the changing conditions, and they think they are adapting to them, but in reality they are stumbling about with a blindfold on their eyes.

Re main topic - I am working on getting most my stuff off Thinkstock right now (through one of my distributors). I've stopped all uploads to iStock, Getty and all my distributors that deal with Getty and Getty owned companies. I am NOT trying to show Getty anything, I am just making a choice not to deal with them anymore.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on January 16, 2013, 12:19
...Have people forgotten about SS?  Far from killing them, everything Getty or their owners has done in the past few years seems to of strengthened them.  Some people say that Thinkstock was made to kill SS but SS now sell more pay per download and are overall in a much better position than a few years ago.  Driving a lot of exclusives and non-exclusives away from istock with the latest fiasco is likely to strengthen SS even more.  So I don't quite buy the killing microstock argument, unless they're incompetent at that as well....

I think the Google Drive deal could very well be their latest tack on beating Shutterstock - kill their opportunity to sell subscriptions by making images "free" to end users (no additional fee once you've paid for Google Docs/Drive for businesses). Google and Getty make money and cut out the contributor (beyond the one time pittance payment).
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Elenathewise on January 16, 2013, 12:35
...Have people forgotten about SS?  Far from killing them, everything Getty or their owners has done in the past few years seems to of strengthened them.  Some people say that Thinkstock was made to kill SS but SS now sell more pay per download and are overall in a much better position than a few years ago.  Driving a lot of exclusives and non-exclusives away from istock with the latest fiasco is likely to strengthen SS even more.  So I don't quite buy the killing microstock argument, unless they're incompetent at that as well....

I think the Google Drive deal could very well be their latest tack on beating Shutterstock - kill their opportunity to sell subscriptions by making images "free" to end users (no additional fee once you've paid for Google Docs/Drive for businesses). Google and Getty make money and cut out the contributor (beyond the one time pittance payment).

To beat Shutterstock this way they'd have to put their entire collection on Google and go out of business (which kind of defeats the point of "beating").  7000 images or whatever they are willing to give away is not going to change the game. Plus their actions caused many people to delete their images or even take down entire portfolios.... so the only thing they achieved here is more damage to their already bad reputation... they are just clueless.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Maui on January 16, 2013, 12:38
A member form the German community who has just quit hois exclusivity has started a new facebook group that is highly active.

Can you give us a link to that group?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on January 16, 2013, 14:27
...Have people forgotten about SS?  Far from killing them, everything Getty or their owners has done in the past few years seems to of strengthened them.  Some people say that Thinkstock was made to kill SS but SS now sell more pay per download and are overall in a much better position than a few years ago.  Driving a lot of exclusives and non-exclusives away from istock with the latest fiasco is likely to strengthen SS even more.  So I don't quite buy the killing microstock argument, unless they're incompetent at that as well....

I think the Google Drive deal could very well be their latest tack on beating Shutterstock - kill their opportunity to sell subscriptions by making images "free" to end users (no additional fee once you've paid for Google Docs/Drive for businesses). Google and Getty make money and cut out the contributor (beyond the one time pittance payment).

To beat Shutterstock this way they'd have to put their entire collection on Google and go out of business (which kind of defeats the point of "beating").  7000 images or whatever they are willing to give away is not going to change the game. Plus their actions caused many people to delete their images or even take down entire portfolios.... so the only thing they achieved here is more damage to their already bad reputation... they are just clueless.
I agree.  And isn't a lot of the content in the Google deal from exclusives?  Hard to see how that will hit SS more than Getty.  Thanks to this, SS will probably end up with lots more images that istock don't have and more of their buyers.  I can think of better ways to destroy microstock :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: pixel86 on January 16, 2013, 15:10
Rome wasnt built in one day. They are still in the process of decimating istock. By making deals with YOUR images, they are, effectively, opening the door for other agencies to do the same.


By the way, i agree. Microstock was started to fulfill a need and that need hasnt gone away. I dont see it dying. I am merely trying to say what i think getty is doing...i am speculating, just like everyone else. I think its a stupid plan, too. Im just over thinking that putting istock in the toilet was due to incompetence. It seemed that way, but I  really think that money can buy a lot of things that we dont see.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: gostwyck on January 16, 2013, 16:18
Nobody can "kill" microstock:) Microstock is a new and very viable business model and it's not going away. Any "elite" group will always lose to inclusive business model (=microstock). Open and evolving system always beats closed and inflexible one. High volume of legit sales always beats occasional big one. Getty doesn't understand the value of selling images to general public the same way IBM in it's time didn't understand the value of OS for personal computers, and this is how Microsoft came to life. We all know that story. So really, Getty is just old inflexible dinosaur trying it's best to adapt to fast-changing world, but doing really bad at it since they keep using their old business methods. They see the changing conditions, and they think they are adapting to them, but in reality they are stumbling about with a blindfold on their eyes.

Excellent analysis and observations. The evidence that microstock has always been more flexible, technically advanced and quick to adapt is overwhelming.

The 'closed shop' of the macros required images to sent in by CD, took months to be assessed, were heavily 'curated' (i.e. most images were unnecessarily rejected), were keyworded by in-house staff ( slow & expensive as well as often inadequately done), etc, etc.

In the early days there's no doubt that some microstockers would peruse macro sites for 'inspiration'. Nowadays I'm certain that the flow of inspiration is mainly in the other direction. A couple of years ago the macros virtually ignored my niche subjects and had very few such images. Now they have lots of them __ looking remarkably similar to the best-selling images of mine and others on the micros.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 16, 2013, 16:19

Re main topic - I am working on getting most my stuff off Thinkstock right now (through one of my distributors). I've stopped all uploads to iStock, Getty and all my distributors that deal with Getty and Getty owned companies. I am NOT trying to show Getty anything, I am just making a choice not to deal with them anymore.

Elena, how can you get your images off TS if they are still on Istock?  Or did you already delete your entire portfolio from Istock?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on January 16, 2013, 17:07

Re main topic - I am working on getting most my stuff off Thinkstock right now (through one of my distributors). I've stopped all uploads to iStock, Getty and all my distributors that deal with Getty and Getty owned companies. I am NOT trying to show Getty anything, I am just making a choice not to deal with them anymore.

Elena, how can you get your images off TS if they are still on Istock?  Or did you already delete your entire portfolio from Istock?

I think Elena mentioned elsewhere in one of these mammoth threads that it's one of her other agencies (Tetra, I think) who has the deal with Getty/Thinkstock so she has to withdraw them from that agency or get them to have them out of Thinkstock; no iStock connection
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sdeva on January 17, 2013, 09:42
I have some files at Thinkstock coming off Istock.  When I delete on 2nd Feb and include these files, will they automatically get taken off at Thinkstock?  Anyone know how effective is that process?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Mantis on January 17, 2013, 10:00
For all non exclusives remember.....if you had any files in stockxpert those are now in thinkstock under the hemera collection.  You need to go into your old StockXpert account and delete those files too because they were put into TS. You should be able to remove them from TS via StockXpert I suspect, but not sure.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Blammo on January 17, 2013, 10:18
Almost forgot about StockXpert, the last 250 images just deleted.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Elenathewise on January 17, 2013, 10:49

Re main topic - I am working on getting most my stuff off Thinkstock right now (through one of my distributors). I've stopped all uploads to iStock, Getty and all my distributors that deal with Getty and Getty owned companies. I am NOT trying to show Getty anything, I am just making a choice not to deal with them anymore.

Elena, how can you get your images off TS if they are still on Istock?  Or did you already delete your entire portfolio from Istock?

I have stuff on TS through Ingram Publishing - they already courteously agreed to remove my images. They have way more of my images than Istock does.
Sent a request to Getty to remove all my PC RF files.
Tetra is a different story, needs different approach... working on it.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Elenathewise on January 17, 2013, 10:54

In the early days there's no doubt that some microstockers would peruse macro sites for 'inspiration'. Nowadays I'm certain that the flow of inspiration is mainly in the other direction. A couple of years ago the macros virtually ignored my niche subjects and had very few such images. Now they have lots of them __ looking remarkably similar to the best-selling images of mine and others on the micros.

This is actually quite wide-spread. I've seen a lot of "macro" images that are plain copies of micro ones, including mine. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: borg on January 17, 2013, 13:08
I think that Getty wants this...
They are trying from the first day to redirect iStock buyers to Getty Images...
So when some company buy a microstock site, they in fact want their customers not an infrastructure ... Material value of microstock site is practically low...
So this is a way how to repel us and customers ...
Customers probably have instructions how to buy Getty's images through the same account...
It's expensive to have double crew and to maintain two sites for unique own market...
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on January 17, 2013, 13:08

Re main topic - I am working on getting most my stuff off Thinkstock right now (through one of my distributors). I've stopped all uploads to iStock, Getty and all my distributors that deal with Getty and Getty owned companies. I am NOT trying to show Getty anything, I am just making a choice not to deal with them anymore.

Elena, how can you get your images off TS if they are still on Istock?  Or did you already delete your entire portfolio from Istock?

I have stuff on TS through Ingram Publishing - they already courteously agreed to remove my images. They have way more of my images than Istock does.
Sent a request to Getty to remove all my PC RF files.
Tetra is a different story, needs different approach... working on it.
I forgot about Ingram, just sent them a request.  I wish all the sites had a nice list of all the 3rd party sites they use with an opt-out option.  Some do, like YayMicro and Zoonar, it's so nice to be able to have some control over my portfolio.  I was going to stop uploading new images to alamy this year but after recent events, I'll be working on my non-microstock portfolio there again.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: flotsom on January 17, 2013, 13:33
I'm not exclusive so I can't read the original thread but it looks like they might be being a bit difficult about people deactivating?
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Oldladybird just stated in a thread in the 'Exclusivity Program' section that Getty cannot process changes in collections and Agency/Vetta/E+ images that had been mirrored over there will probably remain there even though you/we are now removing them from the Vetta ,etc. collections here on iStock. She does go on to say that they are looking for solutions but it will probably remain this way for at least several months.  [url]http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=350613&messageid=6823417[/url] ([url]http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=350613&messageid=6823417[/url])

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: HughStoneIan on January 17, 2013, 14:16
I'm not exclusive so I can't read the original thread but it looks like they might be being a bit difficult about people deactivating?
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Oldladybird just stated in a thread in the 'Exclusivity Program' section that Getty cannot process changes in collections and Agency/Vetta/E+ images that had been mirrored over there will probably remain there even though you/we are now removing them from the Vetta ,etc. collections here on iStock. She does go on to say that they are looking for solutions but it will probably remain this way for at least several months.  [url]http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=350613&messageid=6823417[/url] ([url]http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=350613&messageid=6823417[/url])



That's why I'm not waiting until D-Day. I'm trying to get rid of everything before they run into mysterious "technical problems" and no files whatsoever are allowed to be deactivated.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Amanda_K on January 17, 2013, 14:39
Just a note for those that are deleting...I deactivated all 428 illustration files in my portfolio and dropped the crown the month they first announced the whole RC mess, after which I couldn't see ANY of my stats so if you want access to your financials tab leave at least 1 or 2 files active.  I ended up experimenting with uploading a few files again late last year but after this new mess I realize there's no going back. I reuse to work with a company that continually spits in our faces. I'll be de-activating the very few files I put back. (25) and leaving one so I have access to my financials tab.

Oh and to those who are right on the edge of dropping the golden shackles...there is life after exclusitivity! ;)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 17, 2013, 15:19

Re main topic - I am working on getting most my stuff off Thinkstock right now (through one of my distributors). I've stopped all uploads to iStock, Getty and all my distributors that deal with Getty and Getty owned companies. I am NOT trying to show Getty anything, I am just making a choice not to deal with them anymore.

Elena, how can you get your images off TS if they are still on Istock?  Or did you already delete your entire portfolio from Istock?

I have stuff on TS through Ingram Publishing - they already courteously agreed to remove my images. They have way more of my images than Istock does.
Sent a request to Getty to remove all my PC RF files.
Tetra is a different story, needs different approach... working on it.

Ah.  Thanks for clearing up the mystery. Good luck with getting Tetra to remove the rest.  :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: PixelBytes on January 17, 2013, 15:29
I wrote to my CN or whatever they call it now - friends? - on IS and most of them didn't know about this.  Some that aren't active anymore but still get a pay out sometimes were interested in deleting files to show support.  They don't need the extra couple hundred bucks a year and want to protect their pictures from abuse.  If anybody didn't write their CN yet, might be a good idea.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: maigi on January 17, 2013, 16:00
I'm joining this cheerful crowd for justice sake.
Can't remove my Photo+ collection images right away, but spread the news and do what I can on Feb 2, 2013.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Kone on January 17, 2013, 16:24
Hi everyone!

This is insane.
I am joining you guys who already start deleting images
Today I deleted 85 images.

Kone
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Phil on January 17, 2013, 16:25

Re main topic - I am working on getting most my stuff off Thinkstock right now (through one of my distributors). I've stopped all uploads to iStock, Getty and all my distributors that deal with Getty and Getty owned companies. I am NOT trying to show Getty anything, I am just making a choice not to deal with them anymore.

Elena, how can you get your images off TS if they are still on Istock?  Or did you already delete your entire portfolio from Istock?

I have stuff on TS through Ingram Publishing - they already courteously agreed to remove my images. They have way more of my images than Istock does.
Sent a request to Getty to remove all my PC RF files.
Tetra is a different story, needs different approach... working on it.
I forgot about Ingram, just sent them a request.  I wish all the sites had a nice list of all the 3rd party sites they use with an opt-out option.  Some do, like YayMicro and Zoonar, it's so nice to be able to have some control over my portfolio.  I was going to stop uploading new images to alamy this year but after recent events, I'll be working on my non-microstock portfolio there again.

Zoonar have a straight getty option that puts them on. Zoonar also had a partner program with photolibrary. Photolibrary got bought out by Getty and images that were in the partner program are on thinkstock. As zoonar arent adding anything to photolibrary anymore the partner management options have been removed. To get them off, you have email Zoonar with the image numbers so that they can remove them.  (Thomas from zoonar was very friendly about it, explained how my images were there, how we were told about it and how they are happy to remove them if desired).


Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: raw_milk on January 17, 2013, 16:35
I'll drop about 500. I'll be hoisting a German brew, so the number could go up or down.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cobalt on January 17, 2013, 16:42
A member form the German community who has just quit hois exclusivity has started a new facebook group that is highly active.

Can you give us a link to that group?

It is a closed group in German language only. I think he wants to keep it for his friends and colleagues. If you are fluent in German, send me a sitemail, then I can send you a link and you can ask him to join.

It consists mostly from people on the German istock forum and many have met each other at events or dinners.

But basically they discuss the same things we say here, quote the same articles, share information  for those who have already quit their exclusivity.

There isn´t any really new information, it is just all in German which benefits those who find it really hard to follow the English boards.

On the deleting cause: I haven´t deleted anything yet, but I am going over my portfolio to see what I MUST save or where I would be ashamed as hell if those files every ended up for free re-distribution.

I haven´t uploaded much in the last two years and now I am grateful.

I´ll give you a number as soon as I have one.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Anyka on January 17, 2013, 17:04
I wrote to my CN or whatever they call it now - friends? - on IS and most of them didn't know about this.  Some that aren't active anymore but still get a pay out sometimes were interested in deleting files to show support.  They don't need the extra couple hundred bucks a year and want to protect their pictures from abuse.  If anybody didn't write their CN yet, might be a good idea.
Good idea!  Just did the same thing :  a short message to the members of my creative network with a link to Sean's initial post on the Istock forum, asking them to join us on D-Day, even if they are not active on Istock anymore, but still have images there.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: stockastic on January 17, 2013, 17:12
All of this - and still no response from Getty/IS.  Unbelievable. 

No doubt they have a meeting scheduled for sometime next week, at which this "issue" will be on the agenda, and it will be discussed by several important execs who don't really understand it and can't actually do anything about it, resulting in 3 more paragraphs of weasel-words for the contributor relations people to release through some weird back-channel like a forum post by 'mr_erin'. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on January 17, 2013, 17:29
...Can't remove my Photo+ collection images right away, ...
If you meant that you can't afford to remove them, that's obviously understandable. If you meant that you thought iStock would prevent you from removing them, that's not the case.

You can disable Photo+ images at any time. The 6 month lock is only to prevent movement back to the main collection. It's not like DT's 6 month hold which really means you can't delete them for that time.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Reef on January 17, 2013, 17:52
All of this - and still no response from Getty/IS.  Unbelievable. 

I'm so disgusted I'm not even checking. A few months ago I started a backup plan (Niche RM not RF) and that has already started to bring in a tidy sum. This week, so far, its more than I've earned at IS. On Feb 2nd I might just delete my whole portfolio so I don't have to waste my time with them.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 17, 2013, 22:02


Feb 2nd projected total 12032+

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Maui on January 18, 2013, 05:32
A member form the German community who has just quit hois exclusivity has started a new facebook group that is highly active.

Can you give us a link to that group?

It is a closed group in German language only. I think he wants to keep it for his friends and colleagues. If you are fluent in German, send me a sitemail, then I can send you a link and you can ask him to join.

I am fluent in german, but since I have no images on istock and in the Getty deal it is not really so important for me. I was just curious ;)
Thanks for the info, though.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sdeva on January 18, 2013, 05:57
Deactivated few files and learnt how the system works, in preparation for 2nd Feb.  Got an email promptly saying.. we regret to inform you that image has been deactivated from database..etc So it appears to work fine.

Painful but necessary..

Have also stopped uploading new content since almost a week.

Just wondering, if in few months things get reversed to normal in a good way - do all deactivated files need to go thru usual upload process once again?  Or do they lie in the depths of some server and can be brought back to life by contributors?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 18, 2013, 06:53
Deactivated few files and learnt how the system works, in preparation for 2nd Feb.  Got an email promptly saying.. we regret to inform you that image has been deactivated from database..etc So it appears to work fine.

Painful but necessary..

Have also stopped uploading new content since almost a week.

Just wondering, if in few months things get reversed to normal in a good way - do all deactivated files need to go thru usual upload process once again?  Or do they lie in the depths of some server and can be brought back to life by contributors?
To be reactivated, AFAIK, you have to ask CR, I don't think there's a way to do it yourself.
I've read a few times that files older than 18 months must be reinspected; perhaps someone can confirm?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: mtkang on January 18, 2013, 06:57
hi all,

when you mean deactivate it, do you mean you will activate back the next day?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Poncke on January 18, 2013, 07:25
hi all,

when you mean deactivate it, do you mean you will activate back the next day?
Whats the use of that?  ;) No, keep deactivated until you get a result from iStock or Getty
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sdeva on January 18, 2013, 07:41
hi all,

when you mean deactivate it, do you mean you will activate back the next day?

No that would be pointless I think.  Its only IF something will meaningfully change sometime in future... at least that's my intention..
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on January 18, 2013, 07:48
hi all,

when you mean deactivate it, do you mean you will activate back the next day?
For me, deactivated = deleted.  I can't see how they can turn back time and make the site like it was 5 years ago when I was reasonably content.  They can't sell istock because it's too integrated with Getty now.  So we're stuck with things getting worse each year and I've finally had enough.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: enstoker on January 18, 2013, 08:05
If we really want that this action will bring any success, we must inform media !
Maybe then will buyers start to ask themselves, if is worth to do business with such a company..
Not all, but honest fair thinking customers...

20.000, 30.000 deleted pics among 20, 30 millions are smal stone in mosaick, but this mosaick will be from day to day bigger!!!

Just my 5 c
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Pixart on January 18, 2013, 11:03
Why is Istock so slow today?  To preventing us from deleting or are there so many of us deleting is bogging them down.... or maybe clients using up their credits before Feb 2 that the site keeps timing out?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: luissantos84 on January 18, 2013, 21:31
If we really want that this action will bring any success, we must inform media !
Maybe then will buyers start to ask themselves, if is worth to do business with such a company..
Not all, but honest fair thinking customers...

20.000, 30.000 deleted pics among 20, 30 millions are smal stone in mosaick, but this mosaick will be from day to day bigger!!!

Just my 5 c

define media 8)

haven´t you seen the tons of blog posts done by contributors, not to mention the tweets/RTs and FB ???

if that's still nothing for you, please enlighten us ;D
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: maigi on January 19, 2013, 04:03
...Can't remove my Photo+ collection images right away, ...
You can disable Photo+ images at any time. The 6 month lock is only to prevent movement back to the main collection. It's not like DT's 6 month hold which really means you can't delete them for that time.
Thank you! I guess I misunderstood it. that's great. Let's see what will happen on Feb 2.
Good luck everybody!

EDIT: I did it today - disabled 100 images from my portfolio. I will keep 29 images for promotional purposes.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: allyclark on January 19, 2013, 08:16


Feb 2nd projected total 12032+

can i add 921 to the total for 2nd feb even though my files have already gone?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 19, 2013, 09:50


Feb 2nd projected total 12032+

can i add 921 to the total for 2nd feb even though my files have already gone?

If you deactivated or deleted images because of the latest Getty Google Deal, than yes it should be part of the Feb 2nd projected total.  Therefore:

Feb 2nd projected total 12,953+
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jbryson on January 19, 2013, 10:41
For me, I would be willing to remove my entire portfolio of 6646 images as a group initiative if there were a large enough number willing to do the same.

I'm just not certain that deleting a percentage of images on Feb. 2nd sends a strong enough message. It's kind of like a parent that threatens to discipline their children like this: "I'm going to count to three. 1.......2........2 1/2........2 3/4.........". The child continues to disobey because the parent has not committed to the discipline and the child knows it.

I will delete 500, to support the group, but I'm afraid that won't even sting Getty. If there are others willing to delete their entire portfolio, as I am, please speak up.

eta: if enough sizable, good selling, portfolios are deleted, I believe the message that we will not tolerate abuse to our IP will be heard loud and clear in the industry. And that is a good goal.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 19, 2013, 12:23
Thanks jbryson!

Feb 2nd projected total 13453+

We really need a million.....it is either the microstock industry dies of a slow and painful death while the RM industry gets wounded further or we cut loose....your choice.

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 19, 2013, 12:26
Feb 2nd projected total 13453+

We really need a million.....it is either the microstock industry dies of a slow and painful death while the RM industry gets wounded further or you cut loose....your choice.

The total might be higher.  We should combine the totals from the Deactivation Tally thread where people have already deactivated with this total. 

Also, I think there are people deactivating or planning to deactivate who aren't posting.  We should all keep an eye on the library total on Feb 2 and 3rd to see how it changes. 

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: fisherss on January 19, 2013, 12:50
I would promise for 20, cause I have only 200+ photos and video online....... it's just an attitude, if getty continuously do this deal, that will be 100%. Comparing licensing my images for $12 to the world, I would like to re-find a day job.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: farbled on January 19, 2013, 12:53
Please add my (somewhat paltry) 96 images deactived last night. I have one left up to keep the account open.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on January 19, 2013, 12:59
For me, I would be willing to remove my entire portfolio of 6646 images as a group initiative if there were a large enough number willing to do the same.

I'm just not certain that deleting a percentage of images on Feb. 2nd sends a strong enough message. It's kind of like a parent that threatens to discipline their children like this: "I'm going to count to three. 1.......2........2 1/2........2 3/4.........". The child continues to disobey because the parent has not committed to the discipline and the child knows it.

I will delete 500, to support the group, but I'm afraid that won't even sting Getty. If there are others willing to delete their entire portfolio, as I am, please speak up.

eta: if enough sizable, good selling, portfolios are deleted, I believe the message that we will not tolerate abuse to our IP will be heard loud and clear in the industry. And that is a good goal.
I presume that they wont pay out if we leave and have under $100 in our accounts?  That's why I'm not deleting everything in one go.  I've removed everything that's sold well allready but they take months to get them off Thinkstock.  I don't want them keeping that money, so I'll leave some of my portfolio up for a few months.  It would be nice to remove everything but it wouldn't be good to leave them my money.  I think everyone should make sure they can withdraw as much of the money they have made as possible before leaving, or we will be giving them a big pile of cash.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Guntars.G on January 19, 2013, 13:25
count me in too, I already stated in other thread that I will deactivate 537 images and already deactivated 6
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 19, 2013, 13:29
Ok I re-calculated the projected tally for Feb 2nd including numbers from the other tally thread without doubling poster numbers that had already been written in this one. I might figure numbers from the IS forum later on.



Feb 2nd projected total  20,159+
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jm on January 19, 2013, 13:33
Deactived 50 more. I started with images that sell best on SS and FT.

total  20,209
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 19, 2013, 13:40


A million files is only 50 times that total...I am sure it could be done as the longer Getty stay silent the more it will outrage members, buyers and the public...obviously there is not much they can say to undo this... Ultimately this could trigger a snow ball effect....
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: MichaelJayFoto on January 19, 2013, 14:33
I presume that they wont pay out if we leave and have under $100 in our accounts?

If you permanently close your account, I am quite sure they will. You will have to go through support for this.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jm on January 19, 2013, 14:40
What a nice surprise - images that I deactivated yesterday are already gone from ThinkStock as well.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sdeva on January 19, 2013, 14:45
Its been a chilly day but took a short walk despite all the snow.  Fresh air so refreshes the soul, doesn't it  :) Then sent off a tweet - click to read here:

https://twitter.com/sdeva/status/292715529305718784
 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: luissantos84 on January 19, 2013, 15:04
We should all keep an eye on the library total on Feb 2 and 3rd to see how it changes.

we don't know how much uploads are approved on Feb 2nd so it will be kind of impossible
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: a1bercik on January 19, 2013, 15:05
Add my 127 images deleted.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: MichaelJayFoto on January 19, 2013, 15:19
we don't know how much uploads are approved on Feb 2nd so it will be kind of impossible

No exact science, no. But as Feb 2nd is a Saturday, the number of inspections won't be too high. Best guess: 3,000-4,000.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: luissantos84 on January 19, 2013, 15:29
we don't know how much uploads are approved on Feb 2nd so it will be kind of impossible

No exact science, no. But as Feb 2nd is a Saturday, the number of inspections won't be too high. Best guess: 3,000-4,000.

thanks for that Michael ;)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 19, 2013, 15:34
I presume that they wont pay out if we leave and have under $100 in our accounts? 
According to Lobo, they will pay out if you close your account with under $100.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Anyka on January 19, 2013, 16:16
The total might be higher.  We should combine the totals from the Deactivation Tally thread where people have already deactivated with this total. 

Also, I think there are people deactivating or planning to deactivate who aren't posting.  We should all keep an eye on the library total on Feb 2 and 3rd to see how it changes.
Better keep an eye on it starting from Feb 1 late evening ... my Feb 2 starts a LOT earlier than yours  ;)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Phil on January 19, 2013, 16:32
Feb 2nd projected total 13453+

We really need a million.....it is either the microstock industry dies of a slow and painful death while the RM industry gets wounded further or you cut loose....your choice.


The total might be higher.  We should combine the totals from the Deactivation Tally thread where people have already deactivated with this total. 

Also, I think there are people deactivating or planning to deactivate who aren't posting.  We should all keep an eye on the library total on Feb 2 and 3rd to see how it changes.


who runs the microstock time stats page? http://www.microstocktime.com/ (http://www.microstocktime.com/)
their last update on istock was June 6 could be interesting to get an update if they are interested in doing it
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: luissantos84 on January 19, 2013, 16:38
Feb 2nd projected total 13453+

We really need a million.....it is either the microstock industry dies of a slow and painful death while the RM industry gets wounded further or you cut loose....your choice.


The total might be higher.  We should combine the totals from the Deactivation Tally thread where people have already deactivated with this total. 

Also, I think there are people deactivating or planning to deactivate who aren't posting.  We should all keep an eye on the library total on Feb 2 and 3rd to see how it changes.


who runs the microstock time stats page? [url]http://www.microstocktime.com/[/url] ([url]http://www.microstocktime.com/[/url])
their last update on istock was June 6 could be interesting to get an update if they are interested in doing it


I have tried to contact him a few months ago and no reply
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: CD123 on January 19, 2013, 17:17
I am not an iStock contributor, but is following very closely, as I think what might happen here will/can have an influence on the whole industry.

Just want to say to all of you who are currently deleting files and who will actually pull your ports on 2 Feb., you all rock. I take my hat off to you all!

PS. Leaf, I think there is a few of other "reputable" blog and forum sites for RF contributors. What if you, as site owner contact them (the owners), with the gist of what you guys are doing here and hear if they want to corroborate? Might help in getting to that 1 000 000 images.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: gillian vann on January 19, 2013, 17:25
every morning I wake up hoping that while I slept (and the US/Canada was awake) that something significant happened to make this nightmare go away.

*sigh*
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: mikedabell on January 19, 2013, 17:44
I will deactivate 200 , but it may be a day or two late as I will be on a plane on the 2nd. Sorry .
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: CD123 on January 19, 2013, 17:58
every morning I wake up hoping that while I slept (and the US/Canada was awake) that something significant happened to make this nightmare go away.

*sigh*

That will probably be the best outcome for all. Can not see that anything as hurtful as this can lead to much good. Perhaps maybe in the long run, but at a price to a lot of innocent people who just want to make a living.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: forestpath on January 19, 2013, 18:50
So sad...but axed 500+. Once I started it was so painful I just got most of it over in one whack.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: klsbear on January 19, 2013, 19:13
Quote

Posted By cobalt:

The microstockgroup has around 31 000 registered users. i would think that anyone serious in this industry will be registered and actively reading there.


Quoted from iS forums in this link http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=350403&page=1 (http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=350403&page=1).  I love this subtle way of inviting everyone over here!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jeffrey on January 19, 2013, 20:10
I may not deactivate my images, but I'm considering removing my Illustrator Exclusive status.

This gives me the freedom to sell anywhere.


Edited: de+activate
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Snufkin on January 19, 2013, 20:17
I may not activate my images, but I'm considering removing my Illustrator Exclusive status.
This gives me the freedom to sell anywhere.

... Until your files are available everywhere for free.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: alids on January 19, 2013, 21:36
You can count me in for deactivating 200 on Feb 2nd.

Only got a small port of just over 400, so will delete half initially and if no drastic improvements are made to the IS / Getty / Google mess by the end of Feb, will deactivate the remainder.

Will miss the money, but cant sit there and do nothing, and unless a significant amount of contributors take action, it will only get worse with more images being added to Googledrive.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: elvinstar on January 19, 2013, 21:47
... Until your files are available everywhere for free.
[/quote]

+1
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: HughStoneIan on January 19, 2013, 21:51

Will miss the money, but cant sit there and do nothing, and unless a significant amount of contributors take action, it will only get worse with more images being added to Googledrive.

This is the truth. The only way Getty will cease and desist is when they have no images to make use of. The future rolls on for them, no matter whom it rolls over.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 19, 2013, 23:24
Your keeping track of the tally is a huge service to the community Denis.  You're awesome!!  :D

Ok I re-calculated the projected tally for Feb 2nd including numbers from the other tally thread without doubling poster numbers that had already been written in this one. I might figure numbers from the IS forum later on.



Feb 2nd projected total  20,159+
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jsmithzz on January 20, 2013, 01:19
I may not activate my images, but I'm considering removing my Illustrator Exclusive status.
This gives me the freedom to sell anywhere.

... Until your files are available everywhere for free.
The only way Getty will stop its unethical practices is if contributors 1) Stop contributing and 2) Contributors pull their files.

If you have ANY files sitting at iStock or Getty you are just enabling them to continue their abusive practices and feeding the beast. There are other options out there. Getty should not get away with their greed and evil ways. They've pissed off so many photographers that I think the pendulum has begun to shift against them. But that momentum can ONLY continue if people deactivate their portfolios at all of Getty's sites, including iStock. Because as in any business, money talks. By denying them income through your images, you'll be sending them a clear message that you will no longer accept their abuse.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 20, 2013, 01:21
Feb 2nd projected total 21,236+
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: alejandrophotography on January 20, 2013, 02:42
You can count me in for dropping my Exclusive Crown and for deleting all my people pictures on Istock. That is over 1,000 images from my portfolio. I can't afford to be making $7- $45 a day with them anymore or for them to give away my files that I spent so much money on with wardrobe, props, renting studio space, and paying models.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Anyka on January 20, 2013, 03:33
You can count me in for dropping my Exclusive Crown and for deleting all my people pictures on Istock. That is over 1,000 images from my portfolio. I can't afford to be making $7- $45 a day with them anymore or for them to give away my files that I spent so much money on with wardrobe, props, renting studio space, and paying models.
Congrats on dropping your crown!  You have a great portfolio with even greater models.  It's Istock's loss.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: alejandrophotography on January 20, 2013, 03:55

Congrats on dropping your crown!  You have a great portfolio with even greater models.  It's Istock's loss.

Thank you for the complement. I have way more stuff that I was working on, Beauty images, Fashion images, and business related subject that I was supposed to upload at Istock but I stopped uploading around October. I was trying to reach 4,000 images by mid December. That never happened when my new images had stopped selling. 
I won't say the work that I'm sitting on is a waste, but it sure is a disappointment. I had quit my side job to do stock full time over the summer and had developed a business plan to have another 4,000 added and double my portfolio by next year.
Like you said a big loss for them along with the many other talented creative artist that will be leaving or dropping their crowns on Feb. 2nd.
Hopefully Sean invites me to join his website when he is finished with his business plan and gets it up and running...lol
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ToniFlap on January 20, 2013, 05:10
I have a small portfolio on Istock. I unite with the proposed deactivation Feb 2nd, with a percentage of my portfolio. About 150 images. If istock / Getty did not reacting, I will continue.
I'm excited, after four years working on my free time in this world of microstock, that we are able unite for our rights.
It's so pathetic and arrogant what they have done, which did not join the protest, albeit symbolically, not a matter of money, but of dignity.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Dantheman on January 20, 2013, 05:38
I will also deactivate my 375 pics. I never uploaded more, since i just hate the upload system. Just because of the upload, i hope they go down :)

Obviously this whole deal is just crazy. I still don't get why they are taking the risk of killing, microstock & macrostock over this one deal? They are harming themselves, all the other agency's and of course all of us (the photographers). I just don't get their logic  :-\
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ason on January 20, 2013, 05:49
I was to fast, missed this thread. I closed my account allready...
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sdeva on January 20, 2013, 05:55
Another post that I saw this fine morning  8)

http://semmickphoto.wordpress.com/2013/01/19/photographers-and-getty-go-head-to-head-in-google-drive-deal/ (http://semmickphoto.wordpress.com/2013/01/19/photographers-and-getty-go-head-to-head-in-google-drive-deal/)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Beach Bum on January 20, 2013, 08:43
Feb 2nd projected total 13453+

We really need a million.....it is either the microstock industry dies of a slow and painful death while the RM industry gets wounded further or you cut loose....your choice.

The total might be higher.  We should combine the totals from the Deactivation Tally thread where people have already deactivated with this total. 

Also, I think there are people deactivating or planning to deactivate who aren't posting.  We should all keep an eye on the library total on Feb 2 and 3rd to see how it changes.

I'm not going to commit to deactivating at this point.  I'm waiting until the 2nd to see if anything changes before then.  I'm not holding my breath, though.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 20, 2013, 09:59

The only way Getty will stop its unethical practices is if contributors 1) Stop contributing and 2) Contributors pull their files. 

3) Sue the pants off them.  

Don't know why everyone keeps leaving off option #3.  It's the most important option and will be the most effective IMO. 

The folks involved in any hypothetical class action obviously can't post about it here, but lets not forget one is probably in the works. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 20, 2013, 10:02
I was to fast, missed this thread. I closed my account allready...

How many images?  We can still add them to the total :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: rubyroo on January 20, 2013, 10:02
3) Sue the pants off them.  

Hopefully someone out there is unafraid of the size of their pants.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jbryson on January 20, 2013, 10:05
So the D-Day threats have been answered by Getty with 14 more images added to Google Drive on Thursday?

http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/google-giving-photos-away-free-for-commercial-use-and-istock-agrees/825/ (http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/google-giving-photos-away-free-for-commercial-use-and-istock-agrees/825/)

I suspect that on February 4th (which is a Monday), Getty will respond to the mass deactivation by adding thousands more images to Google.

I do not feel Getty is susceptible to any kind of a message from aligned contributors. What is needed to secure the future viability of fair monetary partnership between contributors and distributors, IMO, is for concerned contributors to walk away completely from any further relationship with Getty, sending a message to the industry that we will not tolerate abuse or disrespect of our Intellectual Property.

We must join together and deactivate our entire accounts with Getty.

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 20, 2013, 10:26

I do not feel Getty is susceptible to any kind of a message from aligned contributors. What is needed to secure the future viability of fair monetary partnership between contributors and distributors, IMO, is for concerned contributors to walk away completely from any further relationship with Getty, sending a message to the industry that we will not tolerate abuse or disrespect of our Intellectual Property.

We must join together and deactivate our entire accounts with Getty.

I believe total deactivation by most contributors is inevitable if Getty continues down the road they are on. However I think it's unrealistic to expect that a majority are going to do that all at once on Feb. 2.  For ports with many thousands of images that is going to be logistically difficult. 

Like it or not, this thing is going to play out over months, not days.  Microstockers have always been a diverse bunch, and up to now impossible to get everyone to agree on any action at all.  Each person has a different tolerance for risk and a different set of circumstances to consider. 

I think it is really awesome and amazing that so many people in this diverse group are willing to act together on one day.  It has never happened before in microstock, so it is historic. 

I don't see the "I'm deactivating more than you" debate as constructive.  Any and all images deactivated on, before, or near Feb 2 send a powerful statement to Getty

I prefer to appreciate and praise everyone's individual efforts rather than focusing on who's doing more or less.  Let's choose to see this glass as half full, shall we?  This is the time to come together and any divisiveness just undermines the whole effort.   
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: gostwyck on January 20, 2013, 10:29

I do not feel Getty is susceptible to any kind of a message from aligned contributors. What is needed to secure the future viability of fair monetary partnership between contributors and distributors, IMO, is for concerned contributors to walk away completely from any further relationship with Getty, sending a message to the industry that we will not tolerate abuse or disrespect of our Intellectual Property.

We must join together and deactivate our entire accounts with Getty.

I believe total deactivation by most contributors is inevitable if Getty continues down the road they are on. However I think it's unrealistic to expect that a majority are going to do that all at once on Feb. 2.  For ports with many thousands of images that is going to be logistically difficult. 

Like it or not, this thing is going to play out over months, not days.  Microstockers have always been a diverse bunch, and up to now impossible to get everyone to agree on any action at all.  Each person has a different tolerance for risk and a different set of circumstances to consider. 

I think it is really awesome and amazing that so many people in this diverse group are willing to act together on one day.  It has never happened before in microstock, so it is historic. 

I don't see the "I'm deactivating more than you" debate as constructive.  Any and all images deactivated on, before, or near Feb 2 send a powerful statement to Getty

I prefer to appreciate and praise everyone's individual efforts rather than focusing on who's doing more or less.  Let's choose to see this glass as half full, shall we?  This is the time to come together and any divisiveness just undermines the whole effort.

Wow! Brilliantly said. I vote Lisa for President (joint President with Sean of course!).
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: rubyroo on January 20, 2013, 10:30
I'm just going to set up an auto heart-plussing system for your posts today Lisa.  Finding myself agreeing with all of them!

ETA:  Hahaha and Gostwyck posted that while I was writing.  Agreeing with that too.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Mantis on January 20, 2013, 10:32

I do not feel Getty is susceptible to any kind of a message from aligned contributors. What is needed to secure the future viability of fair monetary partnership between contributors and distributors, IMO, is for concerned contributors to walk away completely from any further relationship with Getty, sending a message to the industry that we will not tolerate abuse or disrespect of our Intellectual Property.

We must join together and deactivate our entire accounts with Getty.

I believe total deactivation by most contributors is inevitable if Getty continues down the road they are on. However I think it's unrealistic to expect that a majority are going to do that all at once on Feb. 2.  For ports with many thousands of images that is going to be logistically difficult. 

Like it or not, this thing is going to play out over months, not days.  Microstockers have always been a diverse bunch, and up to now impossible to get everyone to agree on any action at all.  Each person has a different tolerance for risk and a different set of circumstances to consider. 

I think it is really awesome and amazing that so many people in this diverse group are willing to act together on one day.  It has never happened before in microstock, so it is historic. 

I don't see the "I'm deactivating more than you" debate as constructive.  Any and all images deactivated on, before, or near Feb 2 send a powerful statement to Getty

I prefer to appreciate and praise everyone's individual efforts rather than focusing on who's doing more or less.  Let's choose to see this glass as half full, shall we?  This is the time to come together and any divisiveness just undermines the whole effort.

Well stated, Lisa.  Case in point. While I will deactivate certain images on Feb 2, I am now applying for contributor status on sites I've avoided,  my personal goal is to validate whether I can make back the money I'd lose by deactivating all of my content eventually.  And that will take months before I can make that decision.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on January 20, 2013, 10:39
I think Getty would take more notice if buyers were involved as well.  I'd like to see them not buy from istock on February 2end or only buy from exclusives.  I'd also like to see those that only use istock commit to trying another site.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: roboz on January 20, 2013, 10:47
Good point!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: rubyroo on January 20, 2013, 10:48
Yes indeed - has anyone heard from any buyers on this?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 20, 2013, 10:49
I think Getty would take more notice if buyers were involved as well.  I'd like to see them not buy from istock on February 2end or only buy from exclusives.  I'd also like to see those that only use istock commit to trying another site.

Brilliant!  It would be great to buyers participate.  Maybe add close their accounts to the list of possible things they could do. 

Let's try to get the word out to buyers to boycott on that day.  Great thinking Sharpshot!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 20, 2013, 10:51
I vote Lisa for President (joint President with Sean of course!).

LOL!  Thanks, but NO THANKS!  I'd be happy to carry President Locke's water for him, and maybe light his cigars ;D
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Gannet77 on January 20, 2013, 10:52
I think Getty would take more notice if buyers were involved as well.  I'd like to see them not buy from istock on February 2end or only buy from exclusives.  I'd also like to see those that only use istock commit to trying another site.

Brilliant!  It would be great to buyers participate.  Maybe add close their accounts to the list of possible things they could do. 

Let's try to get the word out to buyers to boycott on that day.  Great thinking Sharpshot!

Great idea, but unfortunately it's a Saturday...
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Batman on January 20, 2013, 11:08
I vote Lisa for President (joint President with Sean of course!).

LOL!  Thanks, but NO THANKS!  I'd be happy to carry President Locke's water for him, and maybe light his cigars ;D

President and Vice President I'll vote for both of you.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on January 20, 2013, 11:39
So the D-Day threats have been answered by Getty with 14 more images added to Google Drive on Thursday?

[url]http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/google-giving-photos-away-free-for-commercial-use-and-istock-agrees/825/[/url] ([url]http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/google-giving-photos-away-free-for-commercial-use-and-istock-agrees/825/[/url])

I suspect that on February 4th (which is a Monday), Getty will respond to the mass deactivation by adding thousands more images to Google.


No big corporation would want to get into an open fight with its suppliers so I'd bet Getty does nothing on Feb 4. Regardless of whether or not it is concerned over the rebellion it would not want to be SEEN to be concerned.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: gostwyck on January 20, 2013, 11:41
I think Getty would take more notice if buyers were involved as well.  I'd like to see them not buy from istock on February 2end or only buy from exclusives.  I'd also like to see those that only use istock commit to trying another site.

If my stats were anything to go by I'd say the buyers have already left. I haven't actually had a sale at IS since 7pm MST on the 18th Jan. That's nearly 2 days! I haven't done that since I started there.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Poncke on January 20, 2013, 12:05
In 2009 people called for an organisation of photographers to be formed http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/photographers-bill-of-rights-in-microstock-ya-legal-problems/msg82871/#msg82871 (http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/photographers-bill-of-rights-in-microstock-ya-legal-problems/msg82871/#msg82871)

It seems its just too complex and too difficult to get this started up. Or noone feels called to put in the work.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on January 20, 2013, 12:14
Perhaps we could frame the buyer protest a little differently? Some buyers will have credits to use up and if they can't get refunds, there's no reason for them to just give that money to iStock

How about setting the last weekday before D-Day as one to use up all your credits and close your account? Make February 1st Buy-and-Bye Day (or something catchier)?

It'll be harder for corporate accounts to do something like this as decisions get made by people other than the art buyer (and often made slowly).

What does a buyer lose if they close their account? A history of what they've bought - do they have any rights to re-download something previously purchased and lost (I seem to remember that being added sometime in the last year or two)?

The lower the pain for the buyer to join in the protest, the more buyers will likely be willing to participate.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: MichaelJayFoto on January 20, 2013, 13:10
What does a buyer lose if they close their account? A history of what they've bought - do they have any rights to re-download something previously purchased and lost (I seem to remember that being added sometime in the last year or two)?

Yes, closing would mean losing the history plus the option to re-download.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Anyka on January 20, 2013, 13:39
Perhaps we could frame the buyer protest a little differently? Some buyers will have credits to use up and if they can't get refunds, there's no reason for them to just give that money to iStock

How about setting the last weekday before D-Day as one to use up all your credits and close your account? Make February 1st Buy-and-Bye Day (or something catchier)?

It'll be harder for corporate accounts to do something like this as decisions get made by people other than the art buyer (and often made slowly).

What does a buyer lose if they close their account? A history of what they've bought - do they have any rights to re-download something previously purchased and lost (I seem to remember that being added sometime in the last year or two)?

The lower the pain for the buyer to join in the protest, the more buyers will likely be willing to participate.
Good idea, but may-be not on Feb.1st.  If this get much reponse, it will look like a sales boost.  So why not ask buyers to use up their credits "before then end of January", and close their accounts on Feb.1st ?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: brm1949 on January 20, 2013, 13:44
I deleted my entire port of 1800 plus the other day but did not mention the total here. So you can add 1800
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: leaf on January 20, 2013, 14:22
We need to think of a hash tag for deactivation day so that all the posts on twitter and elsewhere can be tracked.

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Poncke on January 20, 2013, 14:25
I think hashtags are very simple, call it what it is. #deactivationday
 #deactivateistock #deactivategetty
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: KarenH on January 20, 2013, 15:34
I think Getty would take more notice if buyers were involved as well.  I'd like to see them not buy from istock on February 2end or only buy from exclusives.  I'd also like to see those that only use istock commit to trying another site.

Brilliant!  It would be great to buyers participate.  Maybe add close their accounts to the list of possible things they could do. 

Let's try to get the word out to buyers to boycott on that day.  Great thinking Sharpshot!

I accidentally did that.  I sent an email to my CN (excluding the ones that I know for sure are aware of this), pointing to a link of Sean's blog post, and mentioning Deactivation Day, and that I would no longer be uploading to iStock and in fact deactivating my images and probably closing the account soon and going elsewhere.  I left my personal email address.   After I did that, I realized that a couple of regular buyers were in my CN.  Oops.  Oh well.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Mantis on January 20, 2013, 15:38
I think Getty would take more notice if buyers were involved as well.  I'd like to see them not buy from istock on February 2end or only buy from exclusives.  I'd also like to see those that only use istock commit to trying another site.

Brilliant!  It would be great to buyers participate.  Maybe add close their accounts to the list of possible things they could do. 

Let's try to get the word out to buyers to boycott on that day.  Great thinking Sharpshot!

I accidentally did that.  I sent an email to my CN (excluding the ones that I know for sure are aware of this), pointing to a link of Sean's blog post, and mentioning Deactivation Day, and that I would no longer be uploading to iStock and in fact deactivating my images and probably closing the account soon and going elsewhere.  I left my personal email address.   After I did that, I realized that a couple of regular buyers were in my CN.  Oops.  Oh well.

I have informed my marketing design department of this situation and asked that they transition their business to SS. I work for a 2bil $$ company who is big on visual management so we use a load of stock images.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sdeva on January 20, 2013, 16:52

 


I think it is really awesome and amazing that so many people in this diverse group are willing to act together on one day.  It has never happened before in microstock, so it is historic. 

I prefer to appreciate and praise everyone's individual efforts rather than focusing on who's doing more or less.  Let's choose to see this glass as half full, shall we?  This is the time to come together and any divisiveness just undermines the whole effort.

That's brilliant, fully support that (my 2c)  :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: mlwinphoto on January 20, 2013, 19:19
I think Getty would take more notice if buyers were involved as well.  I'd like to see them not buy from istock on February 2end or only buy from exclusives.  I'd also like to see those that only use istock commit to trying another site.

Based on my recent experience the buyers beat us to it and have already left.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: raclro on January 20, 2013, 19:50
Today is the first I have heard of this, I'm not in any of the forums much.  It would seem to be a way of sending a message that perhaps won't be commented on much, but will alert them to the level of discontent (surely they already know, but this is a bold statement).
I do have to ask a sincere question, especially of those who are exclusive with very large portfolios.  Since you are exclusive, all your eggs are in one basket at this time.  Is it really worth dumping all the thousands of hours spent building your portfolio, not to mention the significant monthly income to make such a point?  Not arguing, but I have no time or energy to reload my 7000 photos anywhere else (especially when I would be worried that most companies will have similar issues in the future it they don't yet).  I read a great deal of dissatisfaction in other microstock company forums.  The grass is perhaps greener, but will it remain? I think not.  I fear microstock has irreversibly entered the  world of big business, maximum profits with minimal cost to suppliers (us).   I am sure many of you will follow through and deactivate real sellers, not just 2005 images that clearly do not reflect your current standard of excellence, but don't sell anyway.  But the thought runs through my head that I could jump in and deactivate a few hundred that have never sold, make myself feel better, but iStock will recognize exactly what I am doing and not feel at all bad about it.  I respect your decision, but it seems a little like shooting yourself in the foot unless you have little or nothing to lose.  Multiply your anticipated total de-activations by 5 and iStock will fill those slots in very short order with new uploads, ti won't even be a blip on their graph.  Not defending iStock/Getty or disagreeing with your cause and passion.  Just asking if you really think it will change the way things work there, and is it worth it to you personally?

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: stockastic on January 20, 2013, 20:07
raclro, you're right in some major ways. But it's more complicated.

A major kickback - especially a legal action - might inhibit other agencies from doing similar things in the future.  Might. At least the smaller ones, for a while.  Once they get big enough that they feel they can dump on contributors, and need to post some big numbers in a hurry, all bets are off, as you point out.

I don't think it would affect Getty one bit at this point.  They seem to be running somewhat out of control, because this 'deal' seems a bit crazy.

Consider also that if/when Getty essentially releases some of your images into the public domain, you won't get them back.  And people with model shots have some other, serious concerns about the unrestricted use of their photos by people who paid nothing and care even less.

Just the humble opinions of a small potato.
 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 20, 2013, 20:16
Interesting post by Bill Brooks over on Alamy's forum:
"I think this will work for Getty, if history is any indication. As the market leader, I think Getty can set the terms of business, and other stock libraries have to follow.

Around 2002 Getty reset the terms of the stock business, and most full time professional stock photographers found that they could not make a living. Professional stock photographers protested, formed the Stock Artists Alliance, and Getty responded with statements like "we are not the photographers friend". Full time professional stock photographers mainly went out of the stock business. They turned to assignments, books, blogs, teaching, to generate their main income. They made beer money from the occasional stock image produced as a byproduct of their non stock photographic activities.

Getty were able to keep new images flowing through istockphoto and Flickr. Amateur istockphoto photographers felt good about putting professionals out of business.

I think Getty is again resetting the terms of business. This time I think it is the microstock photographers that will feel the pinch. In my opinion the move of Getty's part is entirely legal and not outrageous at all.

I think the internet end game is to have all intellectual property free of charge. Internet sites make money by offering freebies to the general public. To obtain the freebie you have to give up personal information and agree to be monitored by your devices. The information collected is used by advertisers to target individuals with custom advertising sent through their devices. This is where the money is. As an example of device monitoring, I sometimes use a free translation app on my iPhone. It is so useful that I would have paid big bucks for the app, but got it for free instead. The translation app sends advertising for products and services to my iphone every time I use the app. The advertising is so accurate, that I realized the translating computer, somewhere in cyberspace, is reading my translating requests and determining my preferences. Accurate personal information on users is where the money is. No using the translation app in foreign bordellos.

The money is in offering the public free intellectual property as an inducement for the public to give up their personal information.

Free stock photos are part of that trend. I think Getty understands the internet."
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Pixart on January 20, 2013, 20:19
Today is the first I have heard of this, I'm not in any of the forums much.  It would seem to be a way of sending a message that perhaps won't be commented on much, but will alert them to the level of discontent (surely they already know, but this is a bold statement).
I do have to ask a sincere question, especially of those who are exclusive with very large portfolios.  Since you are exclusive, all your eggs are in one basket at this time.  Is it really worth dumping all the thousands of hours spent building your portfolio, not to mention the significant monthly income to make such a point?  Not arguing, but I have no time or energy to reload my 7000 photos anywhere else (especially when I would be worried that most companies will have similar issues in the future it they don't yet).  I read a great deal of dissatisfaction in other microstock company forums.  The grass is perhaps greener, but will it remain? I think not.  I fear microstock has irreversibly entered the  world of big business, maximum profits with minimal cost to suppliers (us).   I am sure many of you will follow through and deactivate real sellers, not just 2005 images that clearly do not reflect your current standard of excellence, but don't sell anyway.  But the thought runs through my head that I could jump in and deactivate a few hundred that have never sold, make myself feel better, but iStock will recognize exactly what I am doing and not feel at all bad about it.  I respect your decision, but it seems a little like shooting yourself in the foot unless you have little or nothing to lose.  Multiply your anticipated total de-activations by 5 and iStock will fill those slots in very short order with new uploads, ti won't even be a blip on their graph.  Not defending iStock/Getty or disagreeing with your cause and passion.  Just asking if you really think it will change the way things work there, and is it worth it to you personally?

It must be very anguishing, being an exclusive right now - I feel for you.  I just have a couple comments.   If you are curious about your options, contact the other agencies and from what I understand, the most important ones will accept a drive and help you with getting your photos online.

On another note, if you have people photos in these programs now or in the future, how will you feel if a photo of your child has been downloaded by a pedophile or a dating site and they claim "it's public domain - I can do what I want" because that is what your exif will say.  Also, you may be subject to lawsuits by your models - you may feel you are not in the wrong - but they will sue you and Getty and Google and you will still have to lawyer up.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: stockastic on January 20, 2013, 20:23
Is Bill Brooks some big name, or someone that's supposed to know something? 

"I think the internet end game is to have all intellectual property free of charge." Sure, that's what 18 year olds say while they're downloading from Pirate Bay.  And it's not exactly a new idea.  Is it supposed to make sense somehow, in the real, grown-up world?

 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 20, 2013, 20:26
Is Bill Brooks some big name, or someone that's supposed to know something? 
Just a different take on it. I have no idea who he is, but thought that was an interesting opinion.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: raclro on January 20, 2013, 20:30
Today is the first I have heard of this, I'm not in any of the forums much.  It would seem to be a way of sending a message that perhaps won't be commented on much, but will alert them to the level of discontent (surely they already know, but this is a bold statement).
I do have to ask a sincere question, especially of those who are exclusive with very large portfolios.  Since you are exclusive, all your eggs are in one basket at this time.  Is it really worth dumping all the thousands of hours spent building your portfolio, not to mention the significant monthly income to make such a point?  Not arguing, but I have no time or energy to reload my 7000 photos anywhere else (especially when I would be worried that most companies will have similar issues in the future it they don't yet).  I read a great deal of dissatisfaction in other microstock company forums.  The grass is perhaps greener, but will it remain? I think not.  I fear microstock has irreversibly entered the  world of big business, maximum profits with minimal cost to suppliers (us).   I am sure many of you will follow through and deactivate real sellers, not just 2005 images that clearly do not reflect your current standard of excellence, but don't sell anyway.  But the thought runs through my head that I could jump in and deactivate a few hundred that have never sold, make myself feel better, but iStock will recognize exactly what I am doing and not feel at all bad about it.  I respect your decision, but it seems a little like shooting yourself in the foot unless you have little or nothing to lose.  Multiply your anticipated total de-activations by 5 and iStock will fill those slots in very short order with new uploads, ti won't even be a blip on their graph.  Not defending iStock/Getty or disagreeing with your cause and passion.  Just asking if you really think it will change the way things work there, and is it worth it to you personally?

It must be very anguishing, being an exclusive right now - I feel for you.  I just have a couple comments.   If you are curious about your options, contact the other agencies and from what I understand, the most important ones will accept a drive and help you with getting your photos online.

On another note, if you have people photos in these programs now or in the future, how will you feel if a photo of your child has been downloaded by a pedophile or a dating site and they claim "it's public domain - I can do what I want" because that is what your exif will say.  Also, you may be subject to lawsuits by your models - you may feel you are not in the wrong - but they will sue you and Getty and Google and you will still have to lawyer up.

Thanks for the information about contacting other agencies, perhaps it will come to that in the future.  Actually I have no anguish since unlike many people that depend on it, it is simply a well paying hobby for me.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: PaulieWalnuts on January 20, 2013, 20:40
Interesting post by Bill Brooks over on Alamy's forum:

This is interesting and it does seem Getty is headed down this path. Problem is that app makers seem to be reasonably compensated. If this Google deal is any indication of the future of royalty compensation I can't see who they would expect to be producing content at a loss.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: gostwyck on January 20, 2013, 21:14
Interesting post by Bill Brooks over on Alamy's forum:

This is interesting and it does seem Getty is headed down this path. Problem is that app makers seem to be reasonably compensated. If this Google deal is any indication of the future of royalty compensation I can't see who they would expect to be producing content at a loss.

It is true that in some cases more money can be made from selling the data of your own buyers than from the products you actually sell them, allowing other business to accurately target them. However this normally relates to very low-value products (such as balloons and stuff for kids' parties) and the information is valuable to those to wish to sell much higher value goods to the same buyers.

Even so I don't understand how Getty can monetize the giving away of quality content that should cost $hundreds to license. If reports are to be believed they currently have annual sales close to $1B. If they are going to wilfully destroy a good chunk of that market, along with the livelihoods of their content providers, what are they going to replace the revenue with?

If this continues then surely the next step would be for Getty's content providers to exit en-masse with their portfolios. Where would that leave Getty then?

The theory that 'everything on the internet should be free' might sound good, but it's not true (at least legally) and it's never going to be because they'd be no incentive to produce stuff. Music is not free, neither are (modern) books and nor are magazines. They all cost money to produce and distribute, represent a financial investment/risk to those who do so ... and endlessly collecting data from 'clicks' is not going to pay for it all.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cobalt on January 20, 2013, 21:15
Bill Brooks seems to be mixing up a lot of things. getty didn´t lead the microstock business, that was bruce livingstone and all the other sites. actually it was the internet, web designers and affordable digital cameras.

getty bought istock but it seems since bruce and kelly have left, it is not as successful as before and in the last 5 months going down fast.

slow site, a search engine that looks sad compared to what the competitors offer, many functions not working, plus the endless months it takes to move content from one "warehouse to the next".

from a market leader you expect a different behavior.

not to mention the non- communication etc...

so, yes, the technology looks interesting, but to me it looks more like getty reacts and follows the market instead of leading.

all this talk of "user generated content" is anyway severly misleading, it is only a very small group of people that produce the interesting stuff. they need money for their productions.

no money, no interesting content.

so i really don´t see how they can build the future of the agency from free content or files from flickr.

it also ignores one of the most important element of micro stock: the entrepreneur.

we run our portfolios like small businesses, defining a target group, shooting for them and hopefully building up a loyal following and network.

the community model draws on all the different talents available on the marketplace - cooks, doctors, musicians, homemakers, teachers etc...

I really don´t see how you can replace that with just a mass of anonymous images.

having a product is one thing, but you have to sell it too. the agencies that treat their artists like individual webshops in a larger framework have the best chance of creating a self organizing marketplace.

eta: joe was faster...
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 20, 2013, 21:25

I do not feel Getty is susceptible to any kind of a message from aligned contributors. What is needed to secure the future viability of fair monetary partnership between contributors and distributors, IMO, is for concerned contributors to walk away completely from any further relationship with Getty, sending a message to the industry that we will not tolerate abuse or disrespect of our Intellectual Property.

We must join together and deactivate our entire accounts with Getty.

I believe total deactivation by most contributors is inevitable if Getty continues down the road they are on. However I think it's unrealistic to expect that a majority are going to do that all at once on Feb. 2.  For ports with many thousands of images that is going to be logistically difficult. 

Like it or not, this thing is going to play out over months, not days.  Microstockers have always been a diverse bunch, and up to now impossible to get everyone to agree on any action at all.  Each person has a different tolerance for risk and a different set of circumstances to consider. 

I think it is really awesome and amazing that so many people in this diverse group are willing to act together on one day.  It has never happened before in microstock, so it is historic. 

I don't see the "I'm deactivating more than you" debate as constructive.  Any and all images deactivated on, before, or near Feb 2 send a powerful statement to Getty

I prefer to appreciate and praise everyone's individual efforts rather than focusing on who's doing more or less.  Let's choose to see this glass as half full, shall we?  This is the time to come together and any divisiveness just undermines the whole effort.

Very well said Lisa..Thank You
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 20, 2013, 21:37
This time, I included approx 900 from the IS thread.

Feb 2nd projected total 25,480+

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 20, 2013, 23:29
Interesting post by Bill Brooks over on Alamy's forum:
"I think this will work for Getty, if history is any indication. As the market leader, I think Getty can set the terms of business, and other stock libraries have to follow.

Around 2002 Getty reset the terms of the stock business, and most full time professional stock photographers found that they could not make a living. Professional stock photographers protested, formed the Stock Artists Alliance, and Getty responded with statements like "we are not the photographers friend". Full time professional stock photographers mainly went out of the stock business. They turned to assignments, books, blogs, teaching, to generate their main income. They made beer money from the occasional stock image produced as a byproduct of their non stock photographic activities.

Getty were able to keep new images flowing through istockphoto and Flickr. Amateur istockphoto photographers felt good about putting professionals out of business.

I think Getty is again resetting the terms of business. This time I think it is the microstock photographers that will feel the pinch. In my opinion the move of Getty's part is entirely legal and not outrageous at all.

I think the internet end game is to have all intellectual property free of charge. Internet sites make money by offering freebies to the general public. To obtain the freebie you have to give up personal information and agree to be monitored by your devices. The information collected is used by advertisers to target individuals with custom advertising sent through their devices. This is where the money is. As an example of device monitoring, I sometimes use a free translation app on my iPhone. It is so useful that I would have paid big bucks for the app, but got it for free instead. The translation app sends advertising for products and services to my iphone every time I use the app. The advertising is so accurate, that I realized the translating computer, somewhere in cyberspace, is reading my translating requests and determining my preferences. Accurate personal information on users is where the money is. No using the translation app in foreign bordellos.

The money is in offering the public free intellectual property as an inducement for the public to give up their personal information.

Free stock photos are part of that trend. I think Getty understands the internet."


Not arguing with you Liz.  You are just the messenger, but I think the message is full of holes.  First off, a lot of it just sounds like schadenfreude from a guy who was upset when micro photographers came along and demonstrated they could make images just as good or better than what was in the trad libraries. 

Secondly, as already pointed out, Getty had nothing to do with micro until they bought out Bruce in, what , 2006 or 07.  The three years after that, when Istock still continued to grow and flourish, it was under the guidance of Bruce.  Only once Getty became solely responsible for Istock did it begin its decline. 

And lastly, if agencies distributors cheap b@$t@rds wont pay for content, then shooters will stop spending money and time to shoot high quality marketable stock.  The stock industry will go back to being pictures of somebody's cat or a flower from their garden, or a duck in the park, uploaded just for the fun of maybe getting it in print. 

The micro industry cannot survive, much less flourish, without investment from talented image creators, and that's going to require the sites to pay fairly.  They are in the process of finding that out.  This isn't some brilliant master plan by Getty.  It is simply short-sighted, short-term, mistaken thinking.  You'd think it would be obvious of course, but evidently the geniuses running Getty aren't geniuses at all. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ClaridgeJ on January 21, 2013, 03:42
Interesting post by Bill Brooks over on Alamy's forum:
"I think this will work for Getty, if history is any indication. As the market leader, I think Getty can set the terms of business, and other stock libraries have to follow.

Around 2002 Getty reset the terms of the stock business, and most full time professional stock photographers found that they could not make a living. Professional stock photographers protested, formed the Stock Artists Alliance, and Getty responded with statements like "we are not the photographers friend". Full time professional stock photographers mainly went out of the stock business. They turned to assignments, books, blogs, teaching, to generate their main income. They made beer money from the occasional stock image produced as a byproduct of their non stock photographic activities.

Getty were able to keep new images flowing through istockphoto and Flickr. Amateur istockphoto photographers felt good about putting professionals out of business.

I think Getty is again resetting the terms of business. This time I think it is the microstock photographers that will feel the pinch. In my opinion the move of Getty's part is entirely legal and not outrageous at all.

I think the internet end game is to have all intellectual property free of charge. Internet sites make money by offering freebies to the general public. To obtain the freebie you have to give up personal information and agree to be monitored by your devices. The information collected is used by advertisers to target individuals with custom advertising sent through their devices. This is where the money is. As an example of device monitoring, I sometimes use a free translation app on my iPhone. It is so useful that I would have paid big bucks for the app, but got it for free instead. The translation app sends advertising for products and services to my iphone every time I use the app. The advertising is so accurate, that I realized the translating computer, somewhere in cyberspace, is reading my translating requests and determining my preferences. Accurate personal information on users is where the money is. No using the translation app in foreign bordellos.

The money is in offering the public free intellectual property as an inducement for the public to give up their personal information.

Free stock photos are part of that trend. I think Getty understands the internet."


Not arguing with you Liz.  You are just the messenger, but I think the message is full of holes.  First off, a lot of it just sounds like schadenfreude from a guy who was upset when micro photographers came along and demonstrated they could make images just as good or better than what was in the trad libraries. 

Secondly, as already pointed out, Getty had nothing to do with micro until they bought out Bruce in, what , 2006 or 07.  The three years after that, when Istock still continued to grow and flourish, it was under the guidance of Bruce.  Only once Getty became solely responsible for Istock did it begin its decline. 

And lastly, if agencies distributors cheap b@$t@rds wont pay for content, then shooters will stop spending money and time to shoot high quality marketable stock.  The stock industry will go back to being pictures of somebody's cat or a flower from their garden, or a duck in the park, uploaded just for the fun of maybe getting it in print. 

The micro industry cannot survive, much less flourish, without investment from talented image creators, and that's going to require the sites to pay fairly.  They are in the process of finding that out.  This isn't some brilliant master plan by Getty.  It is simply short-sighted, short-term, mistaken thinking.  You'd think it would be obvious of course, but evidently the geniuses running Getty aren't geniuses at all.

Hi Lisa! how goes?

No its not some brillant master plan of Getty but look at this this way. Just the fact they have managed to stir up the whole industry, ppl, deactivating, this and that, speaks for itself, doesnt it? they have created mayhem and with a purpose.
Ultimately the success or failure in this industry lies with the buyers not us. So what do they think of all this? a big nothing!
The ones I know are not even aware, dont even care but carries on buying regardless.

Forget this Alexa ranking and all this rubbish. The end product is. If you cant get to the buyers, if you cant somehow influence their set-in-stone buying habits, its a no go.

10K  members here can sit and come up with the most brilliant scheming and conniving plans and unless its transmitted outside a small forum to the general buying industry. It means nothing.

I mean lets be frank, you know as well as I do, all stock-agencies, all of them are generating 80% of its life blood from the fulltime photographer, this is a fact and not just my words, he/she, is the one that is going to persever and try to endure during troubles, simply because he/she has to put food on the table. Simple as that.
Well, look around you. How many fulltime stock-photographers do you see here? or at IS or at SS, etc, etc? maybe what?  10%? all the rest as far as Getty or anybody else is concerned, is chicken-feed.

This is a plan it itself. :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on January 21, 2013, 04:04
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...The money is in offering the public free intellectual property as an inducement for the public to give up their personal information.

Free stock photos are part of that trend. I think Getty understands the internet."[/i]
Not applicable to stock images, as we're not selling to the public.  And the public seem quite happy to buy eBooks, music, art etc.  Getty could get away with things in 2002 but the internet was young then.  They have serious competition in the microstock business and so far, they don't give the impression that they understand it at all.

Perhaps their plan is to sell out to Google?  That's the only reason I can think for giving Google so many top quality images at such a low price.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Microstock Posts on January 21, 2013, 04:37
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Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: gostwyck on January 21, 2013, 06:22
Not arguing with you Liz.  You are just the messenger, but I think the message is full of holes.  First off, a lot of it just sounds like schadenfreude from a guy who was upset when micro photographers came along and demonstrated they could make images just as good or better than what was in the trad libraries. 

Secondly, as already pointed out, Getty had nothing to do with micro until they bought out Bruce in, what , 2006 or 07.  The three years after that, when Istock still continued to grow and flourish, it was under the guidance of Bruce.  Only once Getty became solely responsible for Istock did it begin its decline. 

And lastly, if agencies distributors cheap b@$t@rds wont pay for content, then shooters will stop spending money and time to shoot high quality marketable stock.  The stock industry will go back to being pictures of somebody's cat or a flower from their garden, or a duck in the park, uploaded just for the fun of maybe getting it in print. 

The micro industry cannot survive, much less flourish, without investment from talented image creators, and that's going to require the sites to pay fairly.  They are in the process of finding that out.  This isn't some brilliant master plan by Getty.  It is simply short-sighted, short-term, mistaken thinking.  You'd think it would be obvious of course, but evidently the geniuses running Getty aren't geniuses at all.

You're on a roll right now Lisa! Excellent analysis and comment.

Compare and contrast the relative fortunes of Istock/Getty and Shutterstock and the very different ways that they treat their content providers and customers. Could they be in some way related?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jjneff on January 21, 2013, 06:40
This business dose not work for me so its easy for me to say bye, bye Getty! So you think it should be a free world?  Getty is USING us go make MONEY its our choice if we choose to let them use OUR content to make $$$. I just say NO. Make your own content and give it away Getty! I will help agencies who care about their artist! trust me there is a huge market for good content. We have to pull our content from Getty to survive people. They are trying to kill us by scale so lets fight fight fight!!!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ruxpriencdiam on January 21, 2013, 08:20
So why is everyone waiting for another two weeks to go by?

The longer you leave your images there the more the chance of them being sold off as well as the others that were sold I would think you would want to remove them pronto.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: michaeldb on January 21, 2013, 11:56
So why is everyone waiting for another two weeks to go by?

The longer you leave your images there the more the chance of them being sold off as well as the others that were sold I would think you would want to remove them pronto.
Very true. Waiting until Groundhog Day makes this all sound like a joke, or some kind of goofball protest. But this is not a joke, this is serious. We can hurt Getty and help ourselves and each other but, as the commercials say, we must act now.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Gordo on January 21, 2013, 11:58
If I drop istock exclusive, how long before I can hookup with other sites (30 days?)

thanks
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 21, 2013, 12:02
If I drop istock exclusive, how long before I can hookup with other sites (30 days?)

thanks
30 days until your files can go live on other sites.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cypher on January 21, 2013, 12:12
What is the current tally for Feb 2?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: flotsom on January 21, 2013, 12:14
So why is everyone waiting for another two weeks to go by?

The longer you leave your images there the more the chance of them being sold off as well as the others that were sold I would think you would want to remove them pronto.
I think you may be right, by the looks of it getty are not going to bother even issuing another statement and the longer are files are there the more risk of them being abused. I seem to remember seeing something on here about Yuri Arcurs and a lawyer meeting with getty, does anyone know what happened?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 21, 2013, 12:19
So why is everyone waiting for another two weeks to go by?

The longer you leave your images there the more the chance of them being sold off as well as the others that were sold I would think you would want to remove them pronto.
I think you may be right, by the looks of it getty are not going to bother even issuing another statement and the longer are files are there the more risk of them being abused. I seem to remember seeing something on here about Yuri Arcurs and a lawyer meeting with getty, does anyone know what happened?
It was today, and I'm sure he'll post the results if and when he chooses to do so.
If anything is ongoing, he'll no doubt be advised to keep stumm.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 21, 2013, 12:21
So why is everyone waiting for another two weeks to go by?

The longer you leave your images there the more the chance of them being sold off as well as the others that were sold I would think you would want to remove them pronto.
Very true. Waiting until Groundhog Day makes this all sound like a joke, or some kind of goofball protest. But this is not a joke, this is serious. We can hurt Getty and help ourselves and each other but, as the commercials say, we must act now.

While I see no problem at all with deactivating sooner than Feb 2, and would encourage anyone who wants to do do that, I disagree that anyone is going to interpret the concerted protest of hundreds of content providers as a joke.  Quite the contrary. 

I didn't set the date as Feb 2, but as I understand it, there were a number of good reasons to set the date a couple of weeks in the future.  Among them were to give people time to make alternative plans (find other outlets, etc.); to get the word out to the media and throughout the industry; to give anyone thinking of suing time for their lawyers to make contact and offer advice; and/or to give Getty a chance to set the record straight or modify their behavior if this was some sort of mistake.

Obviously this isn't some sort of mistake, and Getty doesn't want to modify their behavior.  They will have to be forced to.  But the other reasons are still valid.  Lots of blogs, and other media outlets are spreading the word, so this protest is likely to be BIG.   

Acting precipitously is easy for an individual, but difficult to coordinate as a group, and group action is what's called for here. 

But like I said, if you don't want to wait until the 2nd, by all means don't.   :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: gostwyck on January 21, 2013, 12:23
I seem to remember seeing something on here about Yuri Arcurs and a lawyer meeting with getty, does anyone know what happened?

I think Yuri said the meeting was this week.

I wouldn't mind being a fly on the wall when he asks the Getty executives directly about Google Drive. <awkward!>
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 21, 2013, 12:26
comment moved to a more appropriate thread.   
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 21, 2013, 12:39
comment moved to a more appropriate thread.   
And the purpose of this is?

Huh?  Are you serious?  This site doesn't allow you to delete a comment entirely.  You have to write something.  You've been around awhile, surely you know this?
Sure so where is the link to the thread?

I don't know what your problem is, but I don't owe you any explanations when I delete a post of MINE.  If you want to read the other threads, you can access them from the homepage just like the rest of us. 

My response to YOU was still here in this thread.   ::)

PS:  I'll give you a hint.  If you are so keen to know what I had to say, you can look for my name.  It's lisafx, in case you were wondering, LOL. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Poncke on January 21, 2013, 13:03
Interesting post by Bill Brooks over on Alamy's forum:

This is interesting and it does seem Getty is headed down this path. Problem is that app makers seem to be reasonably compensated. If this Google deal is any indication of the future of royalty compensation I can't see who they would expect to be producing content at a loss.

It is true that in some cases more money can be made from selling the data of your own buyers than from the products you actually sell them, allowing other business to accurately target them. However this normally relates to very low-value products (such as balloons and stuff for kids' parties) and the information is valuable to those to wish to sell much higher value goods to the same buyers.

Even so I don't understand how Getty can monetize the giving away of quality content that should cost $hundreds to license. If reports are to be believed they currently have annual sales close to $1B. If they are going to wilfully destroy a good chunk of that market, along with the livelihoods of their content providers, what are they going to replace the revenue with?

If this continues then surely the next step would be for Getty's content providers to exit en-masse with their portfolios. Where would that leave Getty then?

The theory that 'everything on the internet should be free' might sound good, but it's not true (at least legally) and it's never going to be because they'd be no incentive to produce stuff. Music is not free, neither are (modern) books and nor are magazines. They all cost money to produce and distribute, represent a financial investment/risk to those who do so ... and endlessly collecting data from 'clicks' is not going to pay for it all.
+1
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ruxpriencdiam on January 21, 2013, 13:07
Well in case anyone missed it and they probably did here is a quote from someone else and it makes sense!

Quote
Just deactivated every file except one - a rubbish image with 0 views.

Only ever made about a $100 a quarter from istock anyway so no great financial loss.

I cannot believe the naivety of the istock members there waiting until the 2 Feb to remove/deactivate their images. That makes no sense to me at all, even as a marker for the press to focus on. Publishing the date was a big mistake.

Do they not think that Getty read the forums? The reason the amount of image transfers to Google Drive has gone up from 5000 to 11000 (ish) in a week is to pre-empt the 2nd of Feb action. By the 2nd, they'll have moved up to 20,000 plus images to the free site.

I wouldn't be surprised either if Getty instruct istock to do computer maintenance on the 2 Feb just to spite people trying to achieve their goals of deactivation. That is exactly the sort of thing they'll think of and it being a Saturday, no-one will be available to face the fury of the members until the following week.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on January 21, 2013, 13:21
Well in case anyone missed it and they probably did here is a quote from someone else and it makes sense!

Quote
Just deactivated every file except one - a rubbish image with 0 views.

Only ever made about a $100 a quarter from istock anyway so no great financial loss.

I cannot believe the naivety of the istock members there waiting until the 2 Feb to remove/deactivate their images. That makes no sense to me at all, even as a marker for the press to focus on. Publishing the date was a big mistake.

Do they not think that Getty read the forums? The reason the amount of image transfers to Google Drive has gone up from 5000 to 11000 (ish) in a week is to pre-empt the 2nd of Feb action. By the 2nd, they'll have moved up to 20,000 plus images to the free site.

I wouldn't be surprised either if Getty instruct istock to do computer maintenance on the 2 Feb just to spite people trying to achieve their goals of deactivation. That is exactly the sort of thing they'll think of and it being a Saturday, no-one will be available to face the fury of the members until the following week.
Doesn't really make sense.  I doubt istock will be doing computer maintenance 2 Feb as that will stop people buying as well.  If they did just stop contributors deactivating, that's only going to make them want to do it more.  I think it's great that a lot of us have got together on this.  There will always be some people saying we should do it sooner and others saying we should give them more time.  I think by holding off a few weeks, it shows that it's been planned and isn't just a knee jerk reaction.  I did deactivate all the images that have made the most money for me there but I'll save a big chunk for February 2end.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ruxpriencdiam on January 21, 2013, 13:33
And from someone else again.

Quote
It's not illegal, and in fact, every single contributor to iS agreed to it the last time they changed the ASA. (Remember, a little over a year ago, when you had to agree or your account would be deleted?) Did anybody read the changes? They were clearly stated and iS covered themselves by doing that. Don't you think they have an army of lawyers figuring this stuff out for them? The changes said they were taking away contributors rights to opt out of any partner agreements, and pretty much said the agency can negotiate any license, for whatever price they want, and you will get your 15% or 20% or whatever. And that's what you get. 20% of a "special extended license" that was negotiated with Google. If this goes to court, G will likely win since all their contributors agreed to these terms. The only thing I can see that might get them in hot water is the stripping of the exif data. In any case, lawsuits take years to settle and you can't unring the bell once your images are out there for free.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Poncke on January 21, 2013, 13:34
Well in case anyone missed it and they probably did here is a quote from someone else and it makes sense!

Quote
Just deactivated every file except one - a rubbish image with 0 views.

Only ever made about a $100 a quarter from istock anyway so no great financial loss.

I cannot believe the naivety of the istock members there waiting until the 2 Feb to remove/deactivate their images. That makes no sense to me at all, even as a marker for the press to focus on. Publishing the date was a big mistake.

Do they not think that Getty read the forums? The reason the amount of image transfers to Google Drive has gone up from 5000 to 11000 (ish) in a week is to pre-empt the 2nd of Feb action. By the 2nd, they'll have moved up to 20,000 plus images to the free site.

I wouldn't be surprised either if Getty instruct istock to do computer maintenance on the 2 Feb just to spite people trying to achieve their goals of deactivation. That is exactly the sort of thing they'll think of and it being a Saturday, no-one will be available to face the fury of the members until the following week.
Now I understand why the place is so buggy. iStock is run from a computer instead from a server farm. LMAO !! Computer maintenance.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Poncke on January 21, 2013, 13:36
And from someone else again.

Quote
It's not illegal, and in fact, every single contributor to iS agreed to it the last time they changed the ASA. (Remember, a little over a year ago, when you had to agree or your account would be deleted?) Did anybody read the changes? They were clearly stated and iS covered themselves by doing that. Don't you think they have an army of lawyers figuring this stuff out for them? The changes said they were taking away contributors rights to opt out of any partner agreements, and pretty much said the agency can negotiate any license, for whatever price they want, and you will get your 15% or 20% or whatever. And that's what you get. 20% of a "special extended license" that was negotiated with Google. If this goes to court, G will likely win since all their contributors agreed to these terms. The only thing I can see that might get them in hot water is the stripping of the exif data. In any case, lawsuits take years to settle and you can't unring the bell once your images are out there for free.
You are pressing Lisa to post a link to her own moved comment, yet you are plastering quoted comments here without a link to source, rendering all these comments useless as noone knows who said it, where and in what context.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 21, 2013, 13:39
Well in case anyone missed it and they probably did here is a quote from someone else and it makes sense!

Quote
Just deactivated every file except one - a rubbish image with 0 views.

Only ever made about a $100 a quarter from istock anyway so no great financial loss.

I cannot believe the naivety of the istock members there waiting until the 2 Feb to remove/deactivate their images. That makes no sense to me at all, even as a marker for the press to focus on. Publishing the date was a big mistake.


Yeah, it does make sense.  For that user.  I've highlighted the part that makes the most sense. 

BTW, not sure what you hope to accomplish by trashing other people's plans and efforts.  We can all see your little dial that shows how much skin you have in this game.  As you seem to think Getty reads these forums, they must be delighted to see you spreading dissention in the ranks.

PS - Poncke is right.  You haven't attributed any of these quotes.  Just some random postings from whomever.  ::)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ruxpriencdiam on January 21, 2013, 13:44
Yep I have absolutely nothing on IS and glad because it means I have nothing to deactivate.

I prefer to keep my stuff in one main are over on SS.

Lin to the thread with the quotes.

http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=127819&start=120 (http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=127819&start=120)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 21, 2013, 13:47
Yep I have absolutely nothing on IS and glad because it means I have nothing to deactivate.



And yet you feel in a position to criticize other people's efforts.  You've already made it clear this doesn't affect you. 

May I suggest that anyone wishing to trash this effort or otherwise throw cold water please reread the OP?  It said to keep your wet blankets to yourself.  Unless you are planning to participate in D-Day, you are posting OT.

Fortunately there are at least two other threads on this Getty Google situation, either of which would be more appropriate for this sort of debate.   I'll post links so nobody has to struggle to find them on their own:

http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/google-giving-photos-away-free-for-commercial-use-and-istock-agrees/msg292942/?topicseen#new (http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/google-giving-photos-away-free-for-commercial-use-and-istock-agrees/msg292942/?topicseen#new)

http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/image-deactivation-tally-for-istockphoto/msg292948/?topicseen#new (http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/image-deactivation-tally-for-istockphoto/msg292948/?topicseen#new)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Karen on January 21, 2013, 14:32
Just a few hours ago it was around 8000 images on google drive...
now there are around 11700 images >:( >:( >:(

This time Getty is gone to make a lot of money from this deal with Google without giving us a penny. >:( >:( >:(
Count me in with all my 600 images
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Amanda_K on January 21, 2013, 14:36
Wow.  I just lost a lot of respect for a number of people here.

There really is no need to bash people for having an opinion outside the plan here.  How DARE he question a deleted post!! Please.  There was no crazy personal attack going on until you all jumped on him. He didn't say anything that wasn't true and I think the collective anger at Getty/iStock doesn't need to spill over into pettiness towards others here.  The thread may have a single purpose but last I checked this is still an open public forum and people are still allowed to have their opinions.

Just because someone doesn't have a large (or any) portfolio on iStock doesn't mean they don't get a voice here.  I jumped ship over there years ago and I'm still watching all of this very closely because it affects all of us when an industry leader has stooped this low.  Getting so upset over some stray comments and piling on to bully someone who dares have an opposing point is ridiculous and does nothing productive toward your goals.

Snobs indeed. "Get back to SS forum where you can act like you know something"  What a bunch of bullies you sound like.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Poncke on January 21, 2013, 16:11
Has anyone thought of starting up  Facebook invitation about this date? It would be hard to get it out there, as non photographers will not join and pass it on but If it gets momentum it might help.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cypher on January 21, 2013, 17:50
Has anyone thought of starting up  Facebook invitation about this date? It would be hard to get it out there, as non photographers will not join and pass it on but If it gets momentum it might help.

Interesting idea.  If someone gets this up and going, be sure to share the link here. Anyone have a nice stock image of a groundhog deactivating files to use as the timeline cover?  :-)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: pixel86 on January 21, 2013, 17:54
Simmer down everyone. People are losing their livelihoods, tempers are bound to be short. It's been coming for a long time and happens every time there is an uproar regarding istockgetty. Stick together and remember what the objective is.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Zerkalo on January 21, 2013, 18:21
One contributor on the IS forums wrote that on Facebook, a disclosed group is created where some high-level contributors are discussing about a possible painless transition of their files to other agencies. Anybody has any idea what this is? I may be interested. I am more a mid-tier fish but this looks interesting.

I tried to find this group but I couldn't. Anybody knows?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: michaeldb on January 21, 2013, 22:17
So why is everyone waiting for another two weeks to go by?

The longer you leave your images there the more the chance of them being sold off as well as the others that were sold I would think you would want to remove them pronto.
Very true. Waiting until Groundhog Day makes this all sound like a joke, or some kind of goofball protest. But this is not a joke, this is serious. We can hurt Getty and help ourselves and each other but, as the commercials say, we must act now.

While I see no problem at all with deactivating sooner than Feb 2, and would encourage anyone who wants to do do that, I disagree that anyone is going to interpret the concerted protest of hundreds of content providers as a joke.  Quite the contrary. 

I didn't set the date as Feb 2, but as I understand it, there were a number of good reasons to set the date a couple of weeks in the future.  Among them were to give people time to make alternative plans (find other outlets, etc.); to get the word out to the media and throughout the industry; to give anyone thinking of suing time for their lawyers to make contact and offer advice; and/or to give Getty a chance to set the record straight or modify their behavior if this was some sort of mistake.

Obviously this isn't some sort of mistake, and Getty doesn't want to modify their behavior.  They will have to be forced to.  But the other reasons are still valid.  Lots of blogs, and other media outlets are spreading the word, so this protest is likely to be BIG.   

Acting precipitously is easy for an individual, but difficult to coordinate as a group, and group action is what's called for here. 

But like I said, if you don't want to wait until the 2nd, by all means don't.   :)
You make some very compelling points. I see what you mean about the Feb 2 date making sense from a public relations point of view. Sort of focuses things. On the target date, I will probably deactivate some more of the few images I have remaining there. Bonzai!!!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ThomasAmby on January 22, 2013, 00:55
Has anyone thought of starting up  Facebook invitation about this date? It would be hard to get it out there, as non photographers will not join and pass it on but If it gets momentum it might help.

Can we get this invite up?

It would be a great way of keeping track of participants, because right now I have no clue how many we are
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: leaf on January 22, 2013, 04:35
A number of back and forth bickering posts were removed from this thread.

Ok.  let's try again.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Guntars.G on January 22, 2013, 05:42
That is nice, it needed some clean up.
I was thinking if us who are going to remove the images on D-day can write that in the image description? It might get the message through to the buyer and we could warn buyers that the image they might choose could net be there by the time they would want to buy it. Just a thought...
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on January 22, 2013, 05:48
A nice web page briefly explaining to buyers what's happening with a link to a few contributor friendly sites would be a good idea.  Then we could all post the link everywhere we can.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Guntars.G on January 22, 2013, 05:49
Istock has a rule - no links in image description :(
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: bddigitalimages on January 22, 2013, 07:33
Count me in. Very small port but will deactivate as many as I can on the 2nd
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sdeva on January 22, 2013, 09:24
Anyone interested can catch the post here (click link and scroll just the tiniest bit  :D)

https://www.facebook.com/sdevaphotography (https://www.facebook.com/sdevaphotography)

Do Like it if you do and feel free to share if you wish..
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 22, 2013, 09:55

Snobs indeed. "Get back to SS forum where you can act like you know something"  What a bunch of bullies you sound like.

Sorry, but whatever your point was, you've contradicted it with childish name calling.  Characterizing people you disagree with as "snobs" and "bullies" has no place in a constructive dialogue. 

A number of back and forth bickering posts were removed from this thread.


A number of posts with personal flames back and forth were removed.  Evidently there were some I missed, but still not sure why this one calling people "snobs" and "bullies" is still here?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Chris3fer on January 22, 2013, 10:07
I'm going to drop my crown. That's about all I can do. I've started an Angry Istockers Facebook page if anyone wants to join.
https://www.facebook.com/AngryIstockers? (https://www.facebook.com/AngryIstockers?)

I'd be more than happy to add some admin.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 22, 2013, 10:35
I'm going to drop my crown. That's about all I can do. I've started an Angry Istockers Facebook page if anyone wants to join.
https://www.facebook.com/AngryIstockers? (https://www.facebook.com/AngryIstockers?)

I'd be more than happy to add some admin.

I think this is a great idea Chris!  Hopefully one of the many on this forum who are active on Facebook will step up and help you administer it :)

Congrats on your upcoming independent status too!  I know you will not be sorry about dropping the crown.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cypher on January 22, 2013, 11:12
Looks like there are some buyer concerns about D-Day popping up in forums.  Could someone who works with RM files address the question at the Graphic Design Forum:  http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82573 (http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82573)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 22, 2013, 12:04
Looks like there are some buyer concerns about D-Day popping up in forums.  Could someone who works with RM files address the question at the Graphics Design Forum:  [url]http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82573[/url] ([url]http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82573[/url])


Good to see this is on the designers' radar, and that it is creating questions about the legality of using these images. 

I am not in RM on Getty, so I can't help the questioner out, but I certainly don't think any images licensed RM (or even RF through proper channels) would be affected. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: MichaelJayFoto on January 22, 2013, 12:53
I'm going to drop my crown. That's about all I can do. I've started an Angry Istockers Facebook page if anyone wants to join.
https://www.facebook.com/AngryIstockers? (https://www.facebook.com/AngryIstockers?)

I'd be more than happy to add some admin.

Sorry I won't be part for this for two reasons:

1) A "page" is not the right thing for something like this, a group would be better. Pages are One-To-Many communication, if I post on your wall it gets lost in a small box. In groups all members' posts are equal.

2) There are a couple of groups going on already. Some invite-only to control they are out of access for officials, some are public... contact your fellow iStocker's on Facebook to see who is a member and can invite you.

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: MicrostockExp on January 22, 2013, 13:00
I put a comment on their FB page about D-day and it lasted few hours, now it is gone as expected....
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: m@m on January 22, 2013, 13:01
Finally we've united for the good of all!...just got back into town and find that hell (Getty) has broken loose...I will definitely support this action, I'm only $30 shy of payout this month but once I reach my payout all of my 300+ images will be deactivated, hopefully this will happen by Feb 2...I refuse to leave my money there for Greedy-Getty to enjoy...count me in!!!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Pixart on January 22, 2013, 13:31
M@M don't forget January's sub sales don't come till Feb.  Deactivate but don't delete so you can collect what is due.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 22, 2013, 14:29
Feb 2nd projected total 32,668+

This is including a projection from the iStock forum.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jonathan Ross on January 22, 2013, 14:48
Hi All,

  I have mentioned this here for years about the stock industry " Do not sign an exclusive contract ". Now you see why you must diversify, those that chose the carrot at the beginning are now getting the stick for being Exclusive. Best of luck I hope you can pull out of this with little to no damage and please stay away from exclusive contracts in the future. It is like working for the man instead of being your own boss.

Best,
Jonathan
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on January 22, 2013, 14:59
Hi All,
  I have mentioned this here for years about the stock industry " Do not sign an exclusive contract ". Now you see why you must diversify, those that chose the carrot at the beginning are now getting the stick for being Exclusive. Best of luck I hope you can pull out of this with little to no damage and please stay away from exclusive contracts in the future. It is like working for the man instead of being your own boss.
Best,
Jonathan

Jon, you realize Blend has several dozen images in this, right?  This isn't an iStock Exclusive thing.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: leaf on January 22, 2013, 15:25
Hi All,
  I have mentioned this here for years about the stock industry " Do not sign an exclusive contract ". Now you see why you must diversify, those that chose the carrot at the beginning are now getting the stick for being Exclusive. Best of luck I hope you can pull out of this with little to no damage and please stay away from exclusive contracts in the future. It is like working for the man instead of being your own boss.
Best,
Jonathan

Jon, you realize Blend has several dozen images in this, right?  This isn't an iStock Exclusive thing.

John Lund has 17 I think... :S
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jonathan Ross on January 22, 2013, 15:38
Hi Leaf,

 Yes of coarse I am aware. The best part of that is I have an agency that will go to bat for me and wields a great deal more power than I do as an individual. There are many third party agencies that are speaking to Getty right now and they will be heard much quicker than a handful of Istock Exclusives. One person does not get the same ear time as a leading agency does. My point from the start is  " DO NOT JOIN AN EXCLUSIVE CONTRACT " . The other end is Blend as well as Spaces is represented by 90 agencies around the world so Getty is not our only income by any measure. We could leave them in a matter of days if we wanted and still have all our content available through every other vendor without any down time.

Cheers,
Jonathan
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on January 22, 2013, 15:46
Yes of coarse I am aware. The best part of that is I have an agency that will go to bat for me and wields a great deal more power than I do as an individual.

Again, sorry, but Rick (Blend) has said he has no problem with this scheme.

Quote
There are many third party agencies that are speaking to Getty right now and they will be heard much quicker than a handful of Istock Exclusives. One person does not get the same ear time as a leading agency does.

That's wonderful.  How about we join together instead of being separated, or would it bother them to sink to our level?  Jon, can we count on you to be our liaison to this group of leading agencies in this matter?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on January 22, 2013, 16:05
...Again, sorry, but Rick (Blend) has said he has no problem with this scheme.

Do you have Rick's permission to post his response here? It doesn't seem to me he was in the least bit interested in changing anything Getty's doing - he saw it is incremental revenue (remember how some exclusives once viewed the Partner Program that way??)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on January 22, 2013, 16:17
Here's part of it (public forum):
-----
Yes, the deal is for images in "premium access" which licenses bulk content
deals largely for new-media, non traditional, usages. In this case it look like
Google licensed about 2000 images for between $60-$100 each to allow for use in
their Drive / Docs program. Images can be used to terms of Google's EULA. This
deal is exactly like any of the other deals that have been done in the past when
a software manufacturer wants to have some clip art images in the box for use in
demoing the software. I'm not a big fan of micro priced sales. But I do
understand both the client and agency perspective. Google needs imagery to show
off their software. It has to be somewhat up to date and relevant, but not
necessarily the best content available. Due to the small number of images it's
not likely the collection will be that useful for clients for actual end use,
but does show off the technology nicely. From Getty's perspective it's a
$150,000 sale where the imagery is not likely to get a lot of exposure or
end-use by potentially paying clients.

I understand the feeling that the images could be downloaded in bulk and put
into an image library and used forever. But, in general, the professional image
user - those who WILL buy imagery (even if they're a grandma working in a church
office) would like to search for and find the most relevant content for their
needs, and with microstock available, it's unlikely that the difference between
free and 5 "credits" would be a deterrent. For those hell bent on using images
outside of license agreements, sure, they'll have at it.
---------

Here's a later statement - I hadn't been back because it was kind of a hostile audience...
----------
What's MOST bizarre about the way Google has set up the image insertion system
is that they have a disclaimer "Before reusing content that you've found..." and
yet they don't clearly state how one CAN use the images in their "stock" search.
Basically it says "you better do your research" but then it doesn't tell you
what rights the images in the stock library have. So, yes, this is ambiguous.
The onus is ultimately on the user to figure out. I would think that after
reading the warning, and not finding a clear description of rights granted, any
commercial user of the imagery would be wary to use it at all. Those who
wouldn't, aren't content buyers. It's truly bizarre.

I think it's been made very clear to Getty that deals of this nature probably
need a little more disclosure to the troops. But the nature of the deal is
really not that different than those that have been done since the inception of
RF, same kind of terms, same kind of price. As for what I'm most concerned
about with regard our content - maximizing revenue across the entire licensing
space. The same image that just sold for $12.00 on Google Docs will likely sell
to a different customer multiple times for $300 or more each sale (netting say
between $60.00 - $150 "rpd") We try to harvest as much incremental income as
possible with our RF content. I was once told (by a very reliable source at
Getty) that if PA was it's own agency - only PA sales - it would be in the top 5
grossing agencies in the world. Kinda makes you think.

Personally, I would have handled the Google Docs sale differently on a few
levels - but I wasn't driving. I've given Getty my input on how they might
better approach future licenses of this type in the future. I'm sure they're
enjoying your posts as well. But what I'm most surprised about is the level of
anger and frustration about this deal. It's a really very typical kind of
software bundle license.
-----------

So, sounds like they did contact Getty, but not really to be opposed to this deal.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: m@m on January 22, 2013, 16:33
M@M don't forget January's sub sales don't come till Feb.  Deactivate but don't delete so you can collect what is due.

Thanks for the heads up Pixart... :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cypher on January 22, 2013, 16:36
Looks like there are some buyer concerns about D-Day popping up in forums.  Could someone who works with RM files address the question at the Graphic Design Forum:  [url]http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82573[/url] ([url]http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82573[/url])


The question is still sitting there on their forum, unanswered.  Anyone want to give them a knowledgeable answer?  Thanks.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: w7lwi on January 22, 2013, 16:50
OK I was getting ready to delete 168 images.  Went to my portfolio and account in IS but I couldn't locate a link that would allow me to delete anything.  Never had occasion to do that before, so don't really know where to go.  I'd really like to do these one-on-one rather than using Sean's script.  Where do I find the delete link?

Second question.  I had a number of images on StockXpert but closed that account years ago, before it was bought by IS.  Any danger of those still being around?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Blammo on January 22, 2013, 16:53
If you look under you keywords there is a link Administration click it and you can deactivate you file.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 22, 2013, 16:55
Here's part of it (public forum):
-----
Yes, the deal is for images in "premium access" which licenses bulk content
deals largely for new-media, non traditional, usages. In this case it look like
Google licensed about 2000 images for between $60-$100 each to allow for use in
their Drive / Docs program. Images can be used to terms of Google's EULA. This
deal is exactly like any of the other deals that have been done in the past when
a software manufacturer wants to have some clip art images in the box for use in
demoing the software. I'm not a big fan of micro priced sales. But I do
understand both the client and agency perspective. Google needs imagery to show
off their software. It has to be somewhat up to date and relevant, but not
necessarily the best content available. Due to the small number of images it's
not likely the collection will be that useful for clients for actual end use,
but does show off the technology nicely. From Getty's perspective it's a
$150,000 sale where the imagery is not likely to get a lot of exposure or
end-use by potentially paying clients.

I understand the feeling that the images could be downloaded in bulk and put
into an image library and used forever. But, in general, the professional image
user - those who WILL buy imagery (even if they're a grandma working in a church
office) would like to search for and find the most relevant content for their
needs, and with microstock available, it's unlikely that the difference between
free and 5 "credits" would be a deterrent. For those hell bent on using images
outside of license agreements, sure, they'll have at it.
---------

Here's a later statement - I hadn't been back because it was kind of a hostile audience...
----------
What's MOST bizarre about the way Google has set up the image insertion system
is that they have a disclaimer "Before reusing content that you've found..." and
yet they don't clearly state how one CAN use the images in their "stock" search.
Basically it says "you better do your research" but then it doesn't tell you
what rights the images in the stock library have. So, yes, this is ambiguous.
The onus is ultimately on the user to figure out. I would think that after
reading the warning, and not finding a clear description of rights granted, any
commercial user of the imagery would be wary to use it at all. Those who
wouldn't, aren't content buyers. It's truly bizarre.

I think it's been made very clear to Getty that deals of this nature probably
need a little more disclosure to the troops. But the nature of the deal is
really not that different than those that have been done since the inception of
RF, same kind of terms, same kind of price. As for what I'm most concerned
about with regard our content - maximizing revenue across the entire licensing
space. The same image that just sold for $12.00 on Google Docs will likely sell
to a different customer multiple times for $300 or more each sale (netting say
between $60.00 - $150 "rpd") We try to harvest as much incremental income as
possible with our RF content. I was once told (by a very reliable source at
Getty) that if PA was it's own agency - only PA sales - it would be in the top 5
grossing agencies in the world. Kinda makes you think.

Personally, I would have handled the Google Docs sale differently on a few
levels - but I wasn't driving. I've given Getty my input on how they might
better approach future licenses of this type in the future. I'm sure they're
enjoying your posts as well. But what I'm most surprised about is the level of
anger and frustration about this deal. It's a really very typical kind of
software bundle license
.
-----------

So, sounds like they did contact Getty, but not really to be opposed to this deal.

Wow.  What a dismissive attitude, coupled with a complete failure to understand the long term implications of this deal, and the significant ways it differs from promotional deals of the past.  The highlighted portion has me flashing on Tony Hayward after the BP Oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. 

Jonathan, this is an example of the company you think is going to bat for you?  Really??
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: w7lwi on January 22, 2013, 17:16
If you look under you keywords there is a link Administration click it and you can deactivate you file.

The only option I see is to deactivate the file.  How do I delete the file or is there no link to do that?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on January 22, 2013, 17:21
If you look under you keywords there is a link Administration click it and you can deactivate you file.

The only option I see is to deactivate the file.  How do I delete the file or is there no link to do that?

There is no 'delete'.  Only 'deactivate'.  Exact same as the script.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: w7lwi on January 22, 2013, 17:28
If you look under you keywords there is a link Administration click it and you can deactivate you file.

The only option I see is to deactivate the file.  How do I delete the file or is there no link to do that?

There is no 'delete'.  Only 'deactivate'.  Exact same as the script.

OK, thanks.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jonathan Ross on January 22, 2013, 18:24
Hi Sean,

 I cannot speak for Rick but he is very approachable if you wanted to contact him directly, he is very open to share what he can when he can. I am in no position to speak for someone else or to get involved with our boards business. I can tell you that the agency I own does not have any images in this collection. Want to talk to me about my agency I am all ears if you want to talk to Blend you will have to go through the appropriate channels. Not blowing you off I just have to follow protocol, we vote in a board and we leave all business to them. Like I said Rick is a very warm friendly and an extremely knowledgable individual about the stock industry. I will say what you read on the internet is open for all ears so you never hear what is truly taking place behind closed doors. Good Luck Sean, are you pulling your entire collection from Istock and leaving exclusivity? Kudos to you if you are I know it will cost you a great deal of money and security to your future.

Best,
Jonathan
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jonathan Ross on January 22, 2013, 18:37
Hi Sean,

 Can you share where you found this post from Rick, what open forum was it posted on? Very important if I am to approach the board on this topic to gain more information. Happy to share what I find out.

Thanks,
Jonathan
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: leaf on January 22, 2013, 18:39
Hi Sean,

 Can you share where you found this post from Rick, what open forum was it posted on? Very important if I am to approach the board on this topic to gain more information. Happy to share what I find out.

Thanks,
Jonathan

I posted this in the other thread as well.. as a general rule, please always link the original post.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jonathan Ross on January 22, 2013, 18:49
Hi Leaf,

 Don't know about another post I was going off the message Sean had posted in this link. If it is somewhere else it is very hard to know if you are not in that thread. Please share the link to the other thread so I can reply there instead of here.

Thanks,
Jonathan
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 22, 2013, 19:13
Hi Sean,

 Can you share where you found this post from Rick, what open forum was it posted on? Very important if I am to approach the board on this topic to gain more information. Happy to share what I find out.

Thanks,
Jonathan

Jonathan, you make some very good points that what may be going on behind the scenes is quite different to what is able to be reported on a public forum. 

Any information you could find out, if you were free to share it, would be very helpful. 

Glad to hear none of your images was affected.  Although indirectly I guess we are all affected (saleswise) to one degree or another. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jonathan Ross on January 22, 2013, 20:17
Hi Lisa,

 Yes, this is a concern for every stock photographer as it breaks the contract on being able to resell your images without your permission. I will definitely get back to everyone hear as soon as I have CLEAR info. Once again Sean, would you please share where you got this post from Rick it will help everyone if I can get where you found this post, what public forum please.

Thanks,
Jonathan
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Dirima on January 22, 2013, 21:27
Hi to all,
First of all, sorry for my english;
This is my first post in the forum. I Have been following microstock group since i started to upload my portfolio to different sites, like shutter, fotolia, istock...for 8 months now.
All this time i have been working hard for building a portfolio as best as i could. I promised myself to sign this forum as soon as a got the 1000 files online (200 left to reach). But the situation with de google/getty deal, has made me decided to advance my official registration here.

In istock i had 539 files online. I say "i had" because in this right moment i am deactivating all my portfolio.
I am totally disagree with the google/getty deal, its absolutly outrageous, so i decided, sadly after working so hard, to support this initiative.
I hope that this move serves something. In any case,  greetings to all and my support to the community, especially those who have exclusivity, so hard hit.

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on January 22, 2013, 21:48
The discussion in in the Stock Photo yahoo group:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/STOCKPHOTO (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/STOCKPHOTO)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Elenathewise on January 22, 2013, 22:42
Yes of coarse I am aware. The best part of that is I have an agency that will go to bat for me and wields a great deal more power than I do as an individual.

Again, sorry, but Rick (Blend) has said he has no problem with this scheme.

Quote
There are many third party agencies that are speaking to Getty right now and they will be heard much quicker than a handful of Istock Exclusives. One person does not get the same ear time as a leading agency does.

That's wonderful.  How about we join together instead of being separated, or would it bother them to sink to our level?  Jon, can we count on you to be our liaison to this group of leading agencies in this matter?

Sean, fyi, majority of high-priced images is sold through Getty - this is valid for any distributor agency, Blend included. If they drop Getty some of them will lose 90-95% of their sales, even though they boast they have many more distributors. They know it, Getty knows it. They don't have much leverage here really, apart from threatening to sue, but suing is a lot of trouble and money, it's so much easier to say -well this is business these days, whatcha gonna do:)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cardmaverick on January 22, 2013, 23:06
Yes of coarse I am aware. The best part of that is I have an agency that will go to bat for me and wields a great deal more power than I do as an individual.

Again, sorry, but Rick (Blend) has said he has no problem with this scheme.

Quote
There are many third party agencies that are speaking to Getty right now and they will be heard much quicker than a handful of Istock Exclusives. One person does not get the same ear time as a leading agency does.

That's wonderful.  How about we join together instead of being separated, or would it bother them to sink to our level?  Jon, can we count on you to be our liaison to this group of leading agencies in this matter?

Sean, fyi, majority of high-priced images is sold through Getty - this is valid for any distributor agency, Blend included. If they drop Getty some of them will lose 90-95% of their sales, even though they boast they have many more distributors. They know it, Getty knows it. They don't have much leverage here really, apart from threatening to sue, but suing is a lot of trouble and money, it's so much easier to say -well this is business these days, whatcha gonna do:)

You're absolutely right about the percentage of sales Getty gives to all the agencies it works with. I was being recruited by an agency similar to Blend and I asked for their roster of distribution outlets, Getty was one of them, the rest, super tiny distributors I've never even heard of - almost all of them don't even register as having traffic when you do some research on their traffic...  The main selling point for joining the agency was actually.... access to Getty. The only way a younger photographer can really get into Getty these days without having to pay to play (photographers choice) is by either contributing to an agency that sells threw Getty or via Flickr. I have both of these methods at my disposal (I'm represented at different agency than the one I mentioned above). Getty can certainly deliver sales, but when you see how much you're not getting... it can get under your skin a little. Problem is, not many photographers are capable of generating these kinds of sales on their own so taking 35-20% at Getty is far better than going out on their own.

I would argue that very few agencies selling with Getty can get better sales numbers outside of Getty or don't depend on them. I can only think of one that I know for sure doesn't need Getty's help but it's a unique agency selling to a very specific customer base that Getty doesn't really serve as well as they do.... that's why Getty got involved with them.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cypher on January 23, 2013, 00:00
Looks like there are some buyer concerns about D-Day popping up in forums.  Could someone who works with RM files address the question at the Graphic Design Forum:  [url]http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82573[/url] ([url]http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82573[/url])


The question is still sitting there on their forum, unanswered.  Anyone want to give them a knowledgeable answer?  Thanks.


Okay, an answer was given. Thanks!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: fotoVoyager on January 23, 2013, 04:11
I'm going to opt out of the PP on Feb 2nd.

It's not much, but every little helps.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: leaf on January 23, 2013, 04:23
Hi Leaf,

 Don't know about another post I was going off the message Sean had posted in this link. If it is somewhere else it is very hard to know if you are not in that thread. Please share the link to the other thread so I can reply there instead of here.

Thanks,
Jonathan

Hi Jonathan.
I was just agreeing with you about wanting the link to Sean's quote and remind him (and everyone else) that is good practice to always give a link if you grab a quote from another site somewhere.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: leaf on January 23, 2013, 04:24
Hi to all,
First of all, sorry for my english;
This is my first post in the forum. I Have been following microstock group since i started to upload my portfolio to different sites, like shutter, fotolia, istock...for 8 months now.
All this time i have been working hard for building a portfolio as best as i could. I promised myself to sign this forum as soon as a got the 1000 files online (200 left to reach). But the situation with de google/getty deal, has made me decided to advance my official registration here.

In istock i had 539 files online. I say "i had" because in this right moment i am deactivating all my portfolio.
I am totally disagree with the google/getty deal, its absolutly outrageous, so i decided, sadly after working so hard, to support this initiative.
I hope that this move serves something. In any case,  greetings to all and my support to the community, especially those who have exclusivity, so hard hit.

Welcome here.. unfortunately it isn't under better circumstances.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sdeva on January 23, 2013, 05:50
Very interesting article at a time when so many upset iStockphoto contributors are planning D-Day on 02 Feb. Please read it if you haven't already.

https://twitter.com/sdeva/status/294032512114626561
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: guenterguni on January 23, 2013, 06:20
I am going to opt out all my images (approx. 600) from the partner programme on Feb. 02nd. Also only a small help, but at the moment I need the income from GettiStock and don´t have the time to upload do a lot of other agencies. But as this situation is changing I will also leave the crown behind me very soon...
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: susandaniels on January 23, 2013, 06:45
Guenter, when you hand in the crown all your portfolio goes back into the PP! thats why we need an opt out option.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 23, 2013, 06:48
Guenter, when you hand in the crown all your portfolio goes back into the PP! thats why we need an opt out option.
True, but there's nothing to stop them using image from the main iStock collection for this heist.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: guenterguni on January 23, 2013, 07:35
Guenter, when you hand in the crown all your portfolio goes back into the PP! thats why we need an opt out option.

Of course, I know. And I fully support the wish to have an opt-out, it should be availabe for PP, GI, Promotional Usage and Third Party Sales. I think it simply can´t be that a photographer can´t decide what is happing with his images.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: MichaelJayFoto on January 23, 2013, 08:48
Guenter, when you hand in the crown all your portfolio goes back into the PP! thats why we need an opt out option.

When you hand in the crown, it doesn't make sense to stop the files from the PP. Handing in the crown without taking files to Shutterstock doesn't make sense, and when you have them at Shutterstock, Thinkstock is not a problem either. At least that's my opinion.

It doesn't help in "protecting" your files to remove them from the PP as well. It doesn't make a big difference if they are on the GI site, on a PP site or on iStock's site. The rules are the same everywhere and they can use your images for deals like this. Just because in this specific case they haven't chosen images from the iStock site directly doesn't say anything about what might be coming up next week or next month or next year.

The other point would be: Do you have images that you think shouldn't be sold through subscription sites at all? Then I think you only have two options: Stay exclusive at iStock; or look for a different venue outside of the microstock world for those images. Just make sure that you know where your agency is going to distribute your images because at many agencies you will find out they are distributing through Getty as well - as can be seen from the images in the Google Drive deal.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: alberto on January 23, 2013, 08:59
;D
First of all excuse my bad English.
I'm not selling by iStock but I'm with you this deal concern not only who is a istock contributor but all us.
Sincerely I think that Getty/Istock will be on his way, but this may be a signal to other agencies and a beginning to create greater unity between microstocker.
 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 23, 2013, 09:05
The other point would be: Do you have images that you think shouldn't be sold through subscription sites at all? Then I think you only have two options: Stay exclusive at iStock; or look for a different venue outside of the microstock world for those images. Just make sure that you know where your agency is going to distribute your images because at many agencies you will find out they are distributing through Getty as well - as can be seen from the images in the Google Drive deal.
In addition, read any contract with a very cynical/sceptical/conspiracy theorist's eye.
We were all caught out by the way the iS ASA is worded.

An example from the Alamy contract (RM and RF):
6.4 Alamy has full authority to negotiate all terms of commissions, licences and reproduction rights in the Images including the fee, duration and scope of any licence.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 23, 2013, 09:14
So far the Feb 2nd projected total of files being deactivated or deleted is 36,058+

This is including projection from the iStock forum
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sdeva on January 23, 2013, 09:44
Please add my 300 that will definately come down 02 Feb - if I take down any more I'll update here, thanks  :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 23, 2013, 09:50
Please add my 300 that will definately come down 02 Feb - if I take down any more I'll update here, thanks  :)

Therefore, So far the Feb 2nd projected total of files being deactivated or deleted is 36,358+
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sdeva on January 23, 2013, 09:53
Please add my 300 that will definately come down 02 Feb - if I take down any more I'll update here, thanks  :)

Sorry forgot to mention .. the ones coming down will include some good sellers either for sensitivity reasons or to reduce risk of them going as freebies.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: brianholm on January 23, 2013, 10:01
I'm tired of Istock..... They've rejected so many of my pictures that are actually selling ok on SS and other sites...... Just got 85 pictures rejected some minutes ago.... And they've already been selling a fair bit on SS for some time now...... Count me in for a very small portfolio of only 33 pictures.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 23, 2013, 10:12
Just got 85 pictures rejected some minutes ago....
That was one h*lluva backup they cleared.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 23, 2013, 10:13
I'm tired of Istock..... They've rejected so many of my pictures that are actually selling ok on SS and other sites...... Just got 85 pictures rejected some minutes ago.... And they've already been selling a fair bit on SS for some time now...... Count me in for a very small portfolio of only 33 pictures.

So far the Feb 2nd projected total of files being deactivated or deleted is 36,391+
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: brianholm on January 23, 2013, 10:21
Just got 85 pictures rejected some minutes ago....
That was one h*lluva backup they cleared.

Yeah....... Looks like IS is digging their own grave. Well, I can't be bothered with them anymore. Next question is just where to move to and support? I've just been accepted on Graphicleftovers, and also started uploading to MostPhotos..... Any other sites recommended? I'm already on SS, FT, DT, Deposit, 123, CS, BS, Veer, Cre, Feature, Stockfresh, Clipdealer, Sign, scanstock and stockami.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jonathan Ross on January 23, 2013, 15:37
Hi All,

 Thank you Sean for sharing where you got the post it was a big help when I spoke with Rick at Blend. I see so many different reasons on this post for why people are pulling their images from Istock but the one I see the most is " they aren't making me the money I used to " That unfortunately is what happens when there are more photographers then their are buyers, it is sad but true. I can all appreciate your concern for the loss of income, I lost 90% of my Macro income when Istock was 2 years into sales so I understand what it feels like to lose a great deal of your income from something you believe is a bad idea ( the reduction of average sales from $138 per image sold at Getty each to a dollar back when Istock started sales ) that was what took place when Micro hit the market but we had to evolve to survive and keep our families with food on the table.
 I would suggest that for the few that will pull their entire content and I say few because of the millions of images Istock has in it's collection, I admire anyone that stands by their beliefs enough to stop their families income and stop being exclusive that takes real strength to stick to your principles no matter what the cost. I know I would never pull my content from a company that can replace me overnight and put my family in financially jeopardy but that is me once again my hat is off to those that want to stand behind a belief and try to make a change.
 Unfortunately I don't think you pulling your content from Istock is going to hurt anyone but yourselves but once again I respect everyone's right to do as they choose and those that do pull their entire collection I applaud.
 I have spoken directly with Blend about our images that were used. They were from our Legacy collection images that have been with us from the start and are no longer making sales. For our company to sell 62 images that were no longer selling from our 100,000+ collection is a good gesture and a strong building block in our future relations with the biggest reseller of imagery in the world. Do I like the situation No, I would prefer it didn't happen this industry is under enough pressure already. I think it is business that needs to take place for Blend especially during such turbulent times in our industry to strengthen our relations with such a giant in the business for a small offering of 62 images sold for $12 each. If this was to continue further I would have great concern especially if it were images of mine that were making solid sales but for Blend this was not the case.
 I have no problem with the deal Blend made but that does not mean I agree with what took place elsewhere. If Istock pulled your top sellers for this deal then I can understand the issue but I cannot speak from the Micro side especially Istock. Please I am only the messenger here so keep that in mind. I like to share information at MSG but if I am attacked for my position I hope you understand why I will not reply, it just takes to long and doesn't resolve anything. Open questions and responses I would love feedback from all that have their finger on the true pulse of this matter. I have seen a lot of emotions get in the way of smart business decisions and I hope you are all thinking this through in great detail for what works best for you at this time for your own business.
 I wish you all the best on your decision and support everyone that chooses to do whatever they want I understand it is your income we are speaking of and that can be devastating so please think this through in great detail. As for people pulling a few hundred of your images from Istock I say either go for it and make your stand and leave Istock or just leave your images up. Taking a few hundred of your non sellers is not really supporting what is being asked of in this group support concept " to pull your entire collection from Istock".

Thanks for taking the time to read,
Jonathan
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Poncke on January 23, 2013, 15:47
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Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: stockastic on January 23, 2013, 15:51
"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"  - Edmund Burke

No one thinks we're going to bring down IS, or even affect its behavior in the short run.  The point of the actions being discussed is to protect one's work for the future, to prevent its misuse,  to create some bad publicity for IS, and perhaps discourage them, and other agencies, from making similar deals in the near future.


Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jonathan Ross on January 23, 2013, 16:13
Great post Stockastic,

 I agree that every movement is started by one individual and then waits for others to make it grow the more that join the cause the bigger the difference would be to Istock. If you guys got them to pull half of their exclusives images from Istock I think they would have to listen. Best to you on your decision.

Cheers,
Jonathan
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 23, 2013, 16:28
Jonathan Ross:

 "I see so many different reasons on this post for why people are pulling their images from Istock but the one I see the most is " they aren't making me the money I used to "

Cybernesco:

This is not the most popular reason anymore, did you not read about the latest Google Getty deal?

The Getty/Google deal controversy has become sufficiently notorious to merit an entry in Wikipedia:

"Controversy Over New Feature

Google Docs has partnered with Getty Images to release 6000 high quality, high resolution stock images for use in Google Doc products.[42] The images have been stripped of all meta-data and copyright information and clients may use them for any commercial purpose they see fit. This feature has been met with significant praise by those that use Google Docs. However, this move has proven controversial with the photographers who own the copyright to the images.[43] The complaints centre on two areas. The first is the fact that the for all intents and purposes the free re-distribution by Google has placed the images in the public domain and significantly if not totally devalued the copyright. The artists involved were compensated based on the lowest valuation for image use instead of the effective buy out of the rights this represented. The second issue involves images that required model releases. In this case the models, via the release, were assured that images would not be used in a defamatory way. However, Google has placed no such restriction on the re-use of the images in their Google Doc library."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Drive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Drive)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on January 23, 2013, 16:28
@Jonathan If Blend had a choice in which images it placed in this Getty/Google deal, then it had something the iStock contributors did not - an opt in/out.

If you had no choice about which images were picked and it wasn't an old non-seller, would that change your mind about what it means to have no control over how your agent/distributors handles your work?

In Sean's case, some relatively recent tailgate images from a collection on iStock that was mirrored on Getty were picked. He didn't have a choice about that.

Perhaps everyone thinks that as long as Getty's abusing some other group, it's OK. I get the economic imperative and how well Klein's strategy to acquire all the outlets has worked to let him control so much of the market. I can get the "it sucks but I need the money". What I don't get  is the "it's OK as long as it's you lot that they mess with"
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: RacePhoto on January 23, 2013, 16:34
Before this gets lost in some long reply. (which I am notoriously guilty of providing...)

It has also come to light that the $12 dollars paid to contributes was only for the initial images in the package. Images have later been added with a $6 payment to the photographer.

Really? Ouch!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sdeva on January 23, 2013, 16:43
Great analysis  .. and the keeping the food on the family table is so relevant.  No argument whatsoever.  Only thing that bothers (me, at least) is that more activities to move legit, copyright works into the, shall we say, free zone of things, would perhaps take the family table away too, over time.  If today it’s a few thousand images – what can tomorrow bring?  Could our ‘little’ effort potentially make a statement, and deter other similar actions, by anyone, to remove copyright info from images (if that was done), and place them into free zone of things?  Seems unfortunate if something like this happened without prior knowledge/ consent of copyright owners, and got ‘discovered’ almost post facto.

No offence - fully confess that I haven’t been around in this particular business long enough – but think that if so many of us feel so strongly about something perhaps we should make our viewpoint known loud as we can.  Just my 2c.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: gostwyck on January 23, 2013, 16:45
Latest from Oldladybird;

"As I said, no new iStock content...that includes Thinkstock and Getty. Nothing to do with luck."

So they do have some ability to control which images Getty sells to Google ... and this process is very much in the present.

I'm sure that the D-Day campaign is having an effect.

http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=350613&page=24#post6827417 (http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=350613&page=24#post6827417)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jjneff on January 23, 2013, 16:53
This is a slap to all photographers online! We are not in one group or another here. By letting Getty give away a now 12000 image library hurts every agency out there including Blend! This is short sided and there are better ways to work with Google! This smacks of no respect for any of our work. To sit by and watch this happen is a crime. People pay for content everyday ahhhh ShutterStock...the list goes on. I stand by this action and shame on Blend for helping in this!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: pixel86 on January 23, 2013, 17:26
And again with the attitude that "microstockers took away trad photographers' livelihood when istock came about, it's only right that getty now takes your images from you." Forget that the market demanded the Micro model. It wasnt a spite-against-getty thing...it was to fulfill a big gap, and that market still remains.


And i am convinced that this attitude is exactly the party line being passed along to getty club members (on top of gettys need to steal images to make a fast buck). You bet i would love to see istockgetty go down. But even more important, i want to see every contributor protecting their ability to put food on the table for their families in the near future.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Oldhand on January 23, 2013, 18:16
Hi Jonathan

Wise words to ponder over. Thanks for taking the time and trouble to look into it; it is appreciated as ever. An honest position well stated and a viewpoint that everyone should consider before making a decision.

Regards...
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: trek on January 23, 2013, 18:16
We don't know the extent of the getty-google deal.  In a year it might be 100,000 images... or maybe 1,000,000- 

We need an opt out now.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on January 23, 2013, 19:22
...Unfortunately I don't think you pulling your content from Istock is going to hurt anyone but yourselves....
Keeping my portfolio there was hurting.  Deleting my best images felt really good.  I can't afford to do this but hopefully it will force me in to action and I'll be able to replace my lost earnings.

I'll never understand how sticking with a site that has cut commissions below 20%, has been saddled with debt, looks like it's only interested in taking more money from contributors, has broken promises and kept us in the dark about a deal that looks like it will hurt our earnings is a good business decision?  The longer I stay there, the more money I make for other people who are coming up with more ways to take even more from me.  That's not sustainable :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jonathan Ross on January 23, 2013, 21:20
Hi JS,

 Thanks for the feedback. I did mention that in my post if you read it you will se that I said if it were my number one sellers and I didn't get a choice then I can understand the frustration with the deal. I get it, I am trying to live with what tomorrow will bring because If I try to fight today's battle today I am usually to late can garentee you it isn't going to be more money in the stock industry for individual photographers. The days of 7 figure returns are long gone and I think that photographers that want to stay in the business full time will have to diversify their options a great deal to pay the bills.
 Just like desk top publishers before the computer came out, those cut and paste folks were put out of business or had to adapt to survive very quickly. I am sorry to say that the best has come and gone but I do believe for those that are great at the craft of lighting, strong business skills as well as very strong people skills will be the ones with the best chance of making it.
 I have diversified a few years back seeing the writing on the wall. That was when my wife and I decided to start our own stock agency and do some investing. I was also speaking to another person that said " to survive today you must deversify outside of your own business " and I completely agree with his statement. The more you can put away for a rainy day and invest for long term while there are good investments available ( like property and several others in this down turned economy, must be long term at this point in the U.S. at least ) then I think your families security is even more assured.

Cheers,
Jonathan
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: toots on January 23, 2013, 21:27
Although none of my images were affected by this google/getty deal I cannot believe what they are doing to the microstock industry and their contributors so you have my full support.

Only started uploading to IS a couple of months ago so my portfolio is very small, however I have just deactivated 45 images (leaving only 1 image active). You can add these to your total.

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: JPSDK on January 23, 2013, 21:36
I sometimes like to turn things upside down.

Now what if, we instead of clinging to our files, gave them away for free.
Since they are being given away anyway.
That would take the breath out of those pirating agencies.

Like shooting back with their own ammunition.

So I hereby declare, that if I ever find one of my files in these giveaway shows. Ill give it away from my homepage, in the original size and resolution.

What about that?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: elvinstar on January 23, 2013, 22:34
I sometimes like to turn things upside down.

Now what if, we instead of clinging to our files, gave them away for free.
Since they are being given away anyway.
That would take the breath out of those pirating agencies.

Like shooting back with their own ammunition.

So I hereby declare, that if I ever find one of my files in these giveaway shows. Ill give it away from my homepage, in the original size and resolution.

What about that?

As misguided as it may seem to some, I like your line of thinking!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: JPSDK on January 23, 2013, 22:59
Google Drive want those files inside of Google Drive, but what if we threatened to publish them outside of Google Drive unless they made a deal with the content owners.
Same with istock, they have played fancy games with our content, the market value of their trades could easily be hollowed out.

Copyright means the right to copy and distribute. When we have produced an image it is only us and those we allow, who can distribute our files.

There is already a list of the involved files, it would be easy enough to upload them to a base somewhere.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: PaulieWalnuts on January 23, 2013, 23:28
I can't read this entire thread but has anyone considered the fact that now the Feb 2 deletion extravaganza has been announced that they have plenty of time to change their policy on deletions and also work on disabling deletion functionality? Keep in mind that GI.com doesn't allow deletions. It's likely only a matter for time before this trickles down to IS especially with the recent events.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on January 23, 2013, 23:34
I can't read this entire thread but has anyone considered the fact that now the Feb 2 deletion extravaganza has been announced that they have plenty of time to change their policy on deletions and also work on disabling deletion functionality? Keep in mind that GI.com doesn't allow deletions. It's likely only a matter for time before this trickles down to IS especially with the recent events.

They could be total bandits, but in theory they are supposed to give us 30 days notice of a change in the ASA. That would give us time to clear out our ports if they imposed some unacceptable new terms
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: PaulieWalnuts on January 23, 2013, 23:42
I can't read this entire thread but has anyone considered the fact that now the Feb 2 deletion extravaganza has been announced that they have plenty of time to change their policy on deletions and also work on disabling deletion functionality? Keep in mind that GI.com doesn't allow deletions. It's likely only a matter for time before this trickles down to IS especially with the recent events.

They could be total bandits, but in theory they are supposed to give us 30 days notice of a change in the ASA. That would give us time to clear out our ports if they imposed some unacceptable new terms

Which then leads to the point of account deletion being the only option. 

And do you really expect them to stick to the ASA after this mess?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: HughStoneIan on January 24, 2013, 00:22
When you deactivate a file, and it's already been sold to Google, will Getty deactivate it from Goog, or does it stay in the realm of worldwide free forever without hope of reclamation?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on January 24, 2013, 00:53
When you deactivate a file, and it's already been sold to Google, will Getty deactivate it from Goog, or does it stay in the realm of worldwide free forever without hope of reclamation?

Anyone who has purchased an RF license before you deactivate gets to keep what they purchased.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: HughStoneIan on January 24, 2013, 01:38
I sometimes like to turn things upside down.

Now what if, we instead of clinging to our files, gave them away for free.
Since they are being given away anyway.
That would take the breath out of those pirating agencies.

Like shooting back with their own ammunition.

So I hereby declare, that if I ever find one of my files in these giveaway shows. Ill give it away from my homepage, in the original size and resolution.

What about that?

As misguided as it may seem to some, I like your line of thinking!

Or just offer your entire port to Google for $60 per picture.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: MichaelJayFoto on January 24, 2013, 01:49
I was also speaking to another person that said " to survive today you must deversify outside of your own business " and I completely agree with his statement.

Interestingly enough this is exactly what I think made iStock successful: Yes, it certainly did take away some business from traditional image buyers but it was mainly growing because it found a way to make imagery available to millions of people who could or would not afford three digits for an image they wanted to use in a local brochure or on their website. They brought image licensing outside of the traditional business into an SMB or even consumer market. Just like Apple is making a fortune by selling 99 cent songs. The potential consumer market for imagery certainly isn't as big as the market for music but it definitely adds up to a huge amount.

The reason I am disappointed with iStock - or actually Getty because things went down only since they decided to become more involved in decisions made at iStock after letting it successfully run almost independent for four or five years - is that Getty still does not understand this part of the market. It knows the customers it used to deal with for a decade or two with personal relationships between a sales person and an image editor or an art buyer.

When giving out images for almost free to Google Drive, it did not just make a big single sale for themselves which I believe was celebrated internally, it also gave away images for free to the people iStock had proved are willing to pay a dollar or two for each of these uses. It did not understand that 400 million users of which maybe 10% would be willing to buy a few images per year spending $10 or $20 would add up to a market that is actually bigger than all ad agencies combined.

I think this is one of the biggest frustrations for people coming from microstock that none of the macro people will ever understand because their lack of vision that there could be a huge market out there if they for once were able to think outside their tiny box.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Anyka on January 24, 2013, 02:21
Google Drive want those files inside of Google Drive, but what if we threatened to publish them outside of Google Drive unless they made a deal with the content owners.
Same with istock, they have played fancy games with our content, the market value of their trades could easily be hollowed out.

Copyright means the right to copy and distribute. When we have produced an image it is only us and those we allow, who can distribute our files.

There is already a list of the involved files, it would be easy enough to upload them to a base somewhere.
Not a bad idea at all.  Of course we would NOT download them from Google Drive and upload them elsewhere, as that would mean :
- that we used Google Drive stuff outside Google Drive, which is against the invisible Google license.
- that we are uploading limited size stuff (1900x1200?), while we have bigger once on our hard drives.

If we launched a website where we could upload ONLY the Google Drive images, in an even higher resolution, we would make Getty/Google look like fools ...
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ClaridgeJ on January 24, 2013, 03:19
And again with the attitude that "microstockers took away trad photographers' livelihood when istock came about, it's only right that getty now takes your images from you." Forget that the market demanded the Micro model. It wasnt a spite-against-getty thing...it was to fulfill a big gap, and that market still remains.


And i am convinced that this attitude is exactly the party line being passed along to getty club members (on top of gettys need to steal images to make a fast buck). You bet i would love to see istockgetty go down. But even more important, i want to see every contributor protecting their ability to put food on the table for their families in the near future.

Oh come on. Now I think youre being a bit unfair. How many times havent we all, at least the old hands here agreed on that, yes, ofcourse micro did kill off much of the trads, etc. I think you have to be completely blind NOT to understand that.

Now, the shoe is on the other foot and its retaliation time, taking it all back time, etc and now most here are peeing themselves.

Its called  " reap what you sow"  the law of justice and fairness.  Besides, isnt it obvious?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on January 24, 2013, 03:24
I can't read this entire thread but has anyone considered the fact that now the Feb 2 deletion extravaganza has been announced that they have plenty of time to change their policy on deletions and also work on disabling deletion functionality? Keep in mind that GI.com doesn't allow deletions. It's likely only a matter for time before this trickles down to IS especially with the recent events.
That's why I removed all my highest earning images.  I'll remove another 500 on D-Day and leave them the low selling stuff that isn't making me any money.  Don't think I'll close my account, as there's always the slim chance that they might change strategy one day or be bought by SS :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ffNixx on January 24, 2013, 04:47
I have spoken directly with Blend about our images that were used. They were from our Legacy collection images that have been with us from the start and are no longer making sales. For our company to sell 62 images that were no longer selling from our 100,000+ collection is a good gesture and a strong building block in our future relations with the biggest reseller of imagery in the world.

Are you saying that Blend agreed to the placement of the 62 images in the Google deal? Are the terms of the agreement known to you?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Microbius on January 24, 2013, 05:41
.....I see so many different reasons on this post for why people are pulling their images from Istock but the one I see the most is " they aren't making me the money I used to " That unfortunately is what happens when there are more photographers then their are buyers, it is sad but true......

Hi Jonathan, I have to reply to this part of your post, because that is most certainly NOT the main concern for most independent contributors to IStock with the current Google fiasco, and I'd hate for you to come away with that idea.

Even with IStock's declining market share, they are still among the top earning micro sites for most people that contribute there, all things being equal no one is going to stop contributing to them because of the fall in income.

The issues are to do with their treatment of their contributors. Most especially in the case of the Google deal, their willingness to wipe out the value of their contributor's work, thus jeopardizing their income across all sites. The nature of the deal clearly goes outside of the reasonable expectations of anyone agreeing to their terms, and shows at least a disregard for our work and I would also say contempt for us.

These are the issues, I am not sure where you came away with the idea that this is was simply griping about an income drop, I for one am continuing to see an increase in income across all the major sites including IStock (though their percentage of my total is sliding), and am nonetheless in the position where I need to consider dropping them to preserve my livelihood. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Microbius on January 24, 2013, 07:19
....Now, the shoe is on the other foot and its retaliation time, taking it all back time, etc and now most here are peeing themselves.

Its called  " reap what you sow"  the law of justice and fairness.  Besides, isnt it obvious?

Actually this more to do with agencies populated largely by the dinosaurs from the old era trying to make the same old deals without understanding the new issues involved.

Take a look at some of the statements we have received from agencies involved.

To paraphrase "There is nothing unusual about the deal, same as lots of other (historic) deals where someone wants a few photos to show off their software, the price is pretty standard for that"

Without any understanding that actually, giving the images to Google means they are then distributed to millions of users who don't have a clue about licence terms. Which in turn makes the images worthless and unsaleable.

It is pretty much the opposite of what happened when micro came about. Micro was a new model the trad agencies struggled (and still struggle) to understand.

This is a deal made under the old model by the people who still haven't grasped the last innovation (Micro), let alone come up with a new retaliatory model.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: pixel86 on January 24, 2013, 07:40
And again with the attitude that "microstockers took away trad photographers' livelihood when istock came about, it's only right that getty now takes your images from you." Forget that the market demanded the Micro model. It wasnt a spite-against-getty thing...it was to fulfill a big gap, and that market still remains.


And i am convinced that this attitude is exactly the party line being passed along to getty club members (on top of gettys need to steal images to make a fast buck). You bet i would love to see istockgetty go down. But even more important, i want to see every contributor protecting their ability to put food on the table for their families in the near future.

Oh come on. Now I think youre being a bit unfair. How many times havent we all, at least the old hands here agreed on that, yes, ofcourse micro did kill off much of the trads, etc. I think you have to be completely blind NOT to understand that.

Now, the shoe is on the other foot and its retaliation time, taking it all back time, etc and now most here are peeing themselves.

Its called  " reap what you sow"  the law of justice and fairness.  Besides, isnt it obvious?


Thank you for proving my point about the attitude.  ;)

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: rene on January 24, 2013, 07:42
Unfortunately I don't think you pulling your content from Istock is going to hurt anyone but yourselves but once again I respect everyone's right to do as they choose and those that do pull their entire collection I applaud.
Jonathan, my relation with my models, professionals and "free" (family, neighbors, friends...) is based on trust. It is very important for me. This was one of the reason to become exclusive at iStock - control of images with people. I knew that there was a risk and I clearly explained this to my models before signing releases. But this risk was limited. Now the risk is huge. I don't what to see people who trusted my suffering because two morons signed a contract they shouldn't. No choice, these images have to be removed before it is too late.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cobalt on January 24, 2013, 08:10
I´ll second that. Jonathan, I don´t know how the models you work with think about the internet but here in Germany people are extremly concerned with internet abuse. So the models that work with me, do this, because I explained to them that the images would be sold via the best known agency on the globe to registered commercial buyers. This severley limits the risk of abuse (in the minds of the models´and their families), because your favorite "paedophile next door" will probably prefer the free images they have access to on flickr or open facebook profiles.

But putting the images into the hands of 425 MILLION people or at least 1/4 of the worlds internet population strongly increases the risk of having the images used in sensitive use, abusive etc...context.

Once the file has been "set free on the internet" the genie is out of the bottle. You can´t get the file back. Ever.

I have already deactivated images with two teenagers. I want to work with them and their families again in the future and I have to show that I am proactively doing what I can when i see a problem coming.

A deal like this has never been done before. It doesn´t make economic sense, like Michael said, if even 5% of those 425 Million could have been convinced to buy stock images it would have been a lot of money and also I cannot allow this deal to taint my reputation.

I am also researching the alternatives, especially for all model released work. I am ready to send still life to istock, but I also deactived some shots were I know I am the only one who had them or that I cannot repeat them because i no longer have access to the location/objects situation whatever.

I will leave everything that is truly generic to limit my risk.

The biggest problem of course, like others have said, is that getty did not give us a choice what to send into this deal. You and all those at Blend obviously had the choice and it wasn´t your bestselling files that were taken.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: luissantos84 on January 24, 2013, 08:47
everybody is working on deactivating and or deleting pictures while some are still uploading, one of them is Yuri, he is meeting with GI next Monday right, what will he say? Hi guys, I am still uploading so go ahead with more google stuff, how about yahoo? ::)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 24, 2013, 08:59
everybody is working on deactivating and or deleting pictures while some are still uploading, one of them is Yuri, he is meeting with GI next Monday right, what will he say? Hi guys, I am still uploading so go ahead with more google stuff, how about yahoo? ::)
Several of the BDs are still uploading, including some whose images were put into the Google deal.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on January 24, 2013, 09:44
everybody is working on deactivating and or deleting pictures while some are still uploading, one of them is Yuri, he is meeting with GI next Monday right, what will he say? Hi guys, I am still uploading so go ahead with more google stuff, how about yahoo? ::)
I've noticed that several of the BDs are still uploading.
Hardly surprising. They're mostly wearing solid-gold handcuffs that prevent them doing anything without suffering a catastrophic fall in their income.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on January 24, 2013, 09:49
everybody is working on deactivating and or deleting pictures while some are still uploading, one of them is Yuri, he is meeting with GI next Monday right, what will he say? Hi guys, I am still uploading so go ahead with more google stuff, how about yahoo? ::)
Several of the BDs are still uploading, including some whose images were put into the Google deal.

I've stop uploading, fyi.  Lol at Luis.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 24, 2013, 09:51
everybody is working on deactivating and or deleting pictures while some are still uploading, one of them is Yuri, he is meeting with GI next Monday right, what will he say? Hi guys, I am still uploading so go ahead with more google stuff, how about yahoo? ::)
I've noticed that several of the BDs are still uploading.
Hardly surprising. They're mostly wearing solid-gold handcuffs that prevent them doing anything without suffering a catastrophic fall in their income.
You might think at least they'd be concerned enough to stop uploading model released images until there's some sort of satisfactory resolution, if one can be found.
Though I do remember reading at least one contributor (diamond) who says his models sign his own release specifying 'any use' without exception, which means, in his opinion, that there could never be any comeback, no matter how the images were used. Maybe in his country, that's true. Contracts are nothing like rock solid here.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 24, 2013, 09:57
everybody is working on deactivating and or deleting pictures
Clearly, not 'everybody'.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on January 24, 2013, 09:58
everybody is working on deactivating and or deleting pictures while some are still uploading, one of them is Yuri, he is meeting with GI next Monday right, what will he say? Hi guys, I am still uploading so go ahead with more google stuff, how about yahoo? ::)
I've noticed that several of the BDs are still uploading.
Hardly surprising. They're mostly wearing solid-gold handcuffs that prevent them doing anything without suffering a catastrophic fall in their income.
I think I could scrape by on the money Yuri makes from the sites other than Getty/istock :)  I'm determined not to think everyone else is still using them, so what's the point in me deactivating images?  I did that after istock cut commissions and I've been unhappy about it ever since.  This time they're only going to change my mind with some big compromises and as they don't do that, I'll be taking part in D-Day.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on January 24, 2013, 10:33
everybody is working on deactivating and or deleting pictures while some are still uploading, one of them is Yuri, he is meeting with GI next Monday right, what will he say? Hi guys, I am still uploading so go ahead with more google stuff, how about yahoo? ::)
I've noticed that several of the BDs are still uploading.
Hardly surprising. They're mostly wearing solid-gold handcuffs that prevent them doing anything without suffering a catastrophic fall in their income.
I think I could scrape by on the money Yuri makes from the sites other than Getty/istock :)

Yeah, the thing is that the independent black diamonds are the exception rather than the rule. If you know that come what may you won't deactivate your portfolio or hand in  your crown and your future is entirely in Getty's hands, then it's valid to ask whether you should rock the boat or do anything to depart from your usual business activities. I'm not passing any judgement, I'm just saying I can understand why they might carry on regardless.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on January 24, 2013, 10:59
everybody is working on deactivating and or deleting pictures while some are still uploading, one of them is Yuri, he is meeting with GI next Monday right, what will he say? Hi guys, I am still uploading so go ahead with more google stuff, how about yahoo? ::)

Yuri will take care of Yuri. He's not about community or the good of the industry as far as I can tell. He's entitled to run his business as he sees fit, but IMO no one else should think of him as in any way coming to the rescue of other people whose tit is caught in the wringer
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: luissantos84 on January 24, 2013, 11:01
everybody is working on deactivating and or deleting pictures while some are still uploading, one of them is Yuri, he is meeting with GI next Monday right, what will he say? Hi guys, I am still uploading so go ahead with more google stuff, how about yahoo? ::)
I've noticed that several of the BDs are still uploading.
Hardly surprising. They're mostly wearing solid-gold handcuffs that prevent them doing anything without suffering a catastrophic fall in their income.
I think I could scrape by on the money Yuri makes from the sites other than Getty/istock :)

Yeah, the thing is that the independent black diamonds are the exception rather than the rule. If you know that come what may you won't deactivate your portfolio or hand in  your crown and your future is entirely in Getty's hands, then it's valid to ask whether you should rock the boat or do anything to depart from your usual business activities. I'm not passing any judgement, I'm just saying I can understand why they might carry on regardless.

the minimum that every contributor should do is stop uploading (new, old, top, low, bronze, black diamond, whatever), actually I see it as a very bad taste joke not only because many of us are doing tons of efforts in this forum, writing blog posts and spreading the word while the guys with pockets full of millions are taking advantage once more, again we are talking about Yuri, the guy that only shows up here to show off and do everything to distract us and then leave, for me the all talk I am with the community is BS
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Blammo on January 24, 2013, 11:18
Apparently Yuri is moving his entire business to Cape Town in South Africa.

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&ei=u14BUbqUBIWHtAbanoGoBw&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.pressefotografforbundet.dk/index.php%253Fid%253D15277%26hl%3Den%26tbo%3Dd%26biw%3D1084%26bih%3D647&rurl=translate.google.dk&sl=da&twu=1&u=http://www.pressefotografforbundet.dk/index.php%3Fid%3D15277&usg=ALkJrhgp4NTRTHT8XtM8brapOmU2x23zEQ (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&ei=u14BUbqUBIWHtAbanoGoBw&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.pressefotografforbundet.dk/index.php%253Fid%253D15277%26hl%3Den%26tbo%3Dd%26biw%3D1084%26bih%3D647&rurl=translate.google.dk&sl=da&twu=1&u=http://www.pressefotografforbundet.dk/index.php%3Fid%3D15277&usg=ALkJrhgp4NTRTHT8XtM8brapOmU2x23zEQ)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on January 24, 2013, 11:20
Yeah, the thing is that the independent black diamonds are the exception rather than the rule. If you know that come what may you won't deactivate your portfolio or hand in  your crown and your future is entirely in Getty's hands, then it's valid to ask whether you should rock the boat or do anything to depart from your usual business activities. I'm not passing any judgement, I'm just saying I can understand why they might carry on regardless.

I'm not at all surprised, but I also hope those who think things are just fine now don't wonder why no one else steps in to help them later if they find themselves ready to take some action to improve their lot.

By and large I think it's better to know where people stand - even if it's to know that they won't lift a finger to help (e.g. all the exclusives who are dependent on their iStock earnings) or are standing by and gloating as they hope this move will do in their long-time enemy, microstockers (e.g. Blend). I had thought that the usage of Getty Images work (not from iStock contributors) would be a help in increasing pressure on Getty to change what they're doing, but that's clearly not going to happen.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 24, 2013, 11:24
Now, the shoe is on the other foot and its retaliation time, taking it all back time, etc and now most here are peeing themselves.

But you know, this actually isn't what's going on here at all.  This is not a case of microstock images being given away for free.  It is GETTY images - the expensive stuff - being given away for free.   This isn't the trads getting back at the micros.  This is Getty slitting its own throat for short term profit. 

Your glee at others misfortune has been duly noted Christian.  Why don't you give it a rest.  Even I have put you on ignore now, and I am usually one of your defenders.  Your gloating is both uninformed and unseemly. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on January 24, 2013, 11:28
I'm sorry that I've lost the plot about where to post the numbers - so I put this information in both the "tally" thread and this one.

Here's a post from absolutely_frenchy (http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=350613&messageid=6827837) saying his 662 images and illustrations will be gone on D-Day
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on January 24, 2013, 11:28
Apparently Yuri is moving his entire business to Cape Town in South Africa.

[url]http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&ei=u14BUbqUBIWHtAbanoGoBw&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.pressefotografforbundet.dk/index.php%253Fid%253D15277%26hl%3Den%26tbo%3Dd%26biw%3D1084%26bih%3D647&rurl=translate.google.dk&sl=da&twu=1&u=http://www.pressefotografforbundet.dk/index.php%3Fid%3D15277&usg=ALkJrhgp4NTRTHT8XtM8brapOmU2x23zEQ[/url] ([url]http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&ei=u14BUbqUBIWHtAbanoGoBw&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.pressefotografforbundet.dk/index.php%253Fid%253D15277%26hl%3Den%26tbo%3Dd%26biw%3D1084%26bih%3D647&rurl=translate.google.dk&sl=da&twu=1&u=http://www.pressefotografforbundet.dk/index.php%3Fid%3D15277&usg=ALkJrhgp4NTRTHT8XtM8brapOmU2x23zEQ[/url])


He must be doing badly if he has to cut costs by moving to somewhere with cheap labour and no "rude unions". I'm sure he'll save a bundle on taxes, as well. I understand now why he can't stop uploading. He said himself a year or so ago that his earnings from microstock weren't enough to cover his costs (or something like that).
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 24, 2013, 11:30
everybody is working on deactivating and or deleting pictures while some are still uploading, one of them is Yuri, he is meeting with GI next Monday right, what will he say? Hi guys, I am still uploading so go ahead with more google stuff, how about yahoo? ::)
Several of the BDs are still uploading, including some whose images were put into the Google deal.

I've stop uploading, fyi.  Lol at Luis.

Yep - BD here not uploading there anymore.  In fact I deleted my pending files I had uploaded before I found out about this. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: CJ6 on January 24, 2013, 12:01
As for people pulling a few hundred of your images from Istock I say either go for it and make your stand and leave Istock or just leave your images up. Taking a few hundred of your non sellers is not really supporting what is being asked of in this group support concept " to pull your entire collection from Istock".

Indeed!

As said before, by removing non sellers all you do is make Getty a big favour. You're doing their dirty work for them, getting rid of the trash, making their libraries even more appealing and increasing the chances of them giving out more of the good images for free.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 24, 2013, 12:14
Once again the "all or nothing" argument rears its ugly head.  Are we on a middle school playground?    What adult is going to allow themselves to be goaded into deleting images they otherwise wouldn't by a forum post anyway?

We are each curators of our own collections and as such, are the only ones in the position of choosing what we delete or don't.

Hundreds of people deleting all or part of their portfolios will send a much louder message, and more negatively affect the overall collection and its diversity, than if a couple dozen delete ALL of their portfolio.  That already happened when the RC credit scheme was introduced and we all saw how NOT effective that was.   

Any and all images deleted on or before Feb 2 add to the value of this protest. 


Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 24, 2013, 12:25
Feb 2nd projected total is now 38,993+ deactivated or deleted files

including projection from the iStock forum
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Elenathewise on January 24, 2013, 12:28
Interestingly enough this is exactly what I think made iStock successful: Yes, it certainly did take away some business from traditional image buyers but it was mainly growing because it found a way to make imagery available to millions of people who could or would not afford three digits for an image they wanted to use in a local brochure or on their website. They brought image licensing outside of the traditional business into an SMB or even consumer market. Just like Apple is making a fortune by selling 99 cent songs. The potential consumer market for imagery certainly isn't as big as the market for music but it definitely adds up to a huge amount.

The reason I am disappointed with iStock - or actually Getty because things went down only since they decided to become more involved in decisions made at iStock after letting it successfully run almost independent for four or five years - is that Getty still does not understand this part of the market. It knows the customers it used to deal with for a decade or two with personal relationships between a sales person and an image editor or an art buyer.

When giving out images for almost free to Google Drive, it did not just make a big single sale for themselves which I believe was celebrated internally, it also gave away images for free to the people iStock had proved are willing to pay a dollar or two for each of these uses. It did not understand that 400 million users of which maybe 10% would be willing to buy a few images per year spending $10 or $20 would add up to a market that is actually bigger than all ad agencies combined.

I think this is one of the biggest frustrations for people coming from microstock that none of the macro people will ever understand because their lack of vision that there could be a huge market out there if they for once were able to think outside their tiny box.

What a nice write up. Thank you for stating clearly everything I was thinking but was too lazy/tired to post. Great post indeed:)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: CJ6 on January 24, 2013, 12:29
everybody is working on deactivating and or deleting pictures while some are still uploading, one of them is Yuri, he is meeting with GI next Monday right, what will he say? Hi guys, I am still uploading so go ahead with more google stuff, how about yahoo? ::)
I've noticed that several of the BDs are still uploading.
Hardly surprising. They're mostly wearing solid-gold handcuffs that prevent them doing anything without suffering a catastrophic fall in their income.

Which Yuri isn't. I couldn't understand his logic in continuing to UL images to other agencies, after starting his own, but continuing to do so even now, makes me wonder if he's gone completely mental.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: CJ6 on January 24, 2013, 12:32
Once again the "all or nothing" argument rears its ugly head.  Are we on a middle school playground?    What adult is going to allow themselves to be goaded into deleting images they otherwise wouldn't by a forum post anyway?

We are each curators of our own collections and as such, are the only ones in the position of choosing what we delete or don't.

Hundreds of people deleting all or part of their portfolios will send a much louder message, and more negatively affect the overall collection and its diversity, than if a couple dozen delete ALL of their portfolio.  That already happened when the RC credit scheme was introduced and we all saw how NOT effective that was.   

Any and all images deleted on or before Feb 2 add to the value of this protest. 

Exactly! So why on earth do you keep on trying so hard to convince us otherwise all the time? Or better said, why are you dictating to us what, why and when we should and should not do?

To everyone his own, opinion, posts and actions ;) . It's a free forum, innit?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 24, 2013, 12:33
Which Yuri isn't. I couldn't understand his logic in continuing to UL images to other agencies, after starting his own, but continuing to do so even now, makes me wonder if he's gone completely mental.
He has a sizeable staff to keep paying.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: CJ6 on January 24, 2013, 12:34
Which Yuri isn't. I couldn't understand his logic in continuing to UL images to other agencies, after starting his own, but continuing to do so even now, makes me wonder if he's gone completely mental.
He has a sizeable staff to keep paying.

But OTOH so much more to loose
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: HughStoneIan on January 24, 2013, 12:38
Anybody care to venture a guess on how much all this file deletion has cost Getty so far? With a very conservative estimate of 40,000 files by 02/02, my guess would be at the very least $1-million (including their 85% cut). And it will grow as the momentum continues. Many of these files are highly profitable bestsellers from experienced artists, and it's taken time for those images to reach their peak. So even if people are "waiting in line" to join IS, these file deletions have already taken a considerable toll on GI's bottom line for a long time to come. Wish there was a way to get the actual figures and send them to the investors.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: w7lwi on January 24, 2013, 12:39
Rather than try to deactivate everything randomly, I plan on doing this in three phases. 

First, because I feel I have a moral obligation to my models, yesterday I deactivated all my MR images.  I did this before deactivating any of my high selling images as I promised my models to protect their likeness from untoward use to the best of my ability and that has to take first priority.

Phase two will be all images that are selling well on other sites.  They may be selling well on IS, but if they are selling well elsewhere they are at most danger of being made worthless by being moved at some future point to Google.

Phase three will be a review of all remaining images.  However they are selling on IS, if remaining on IS appears to endanger sales on other sites they will be deactivated.  Anything with sales only on IS or with little to no activity elsewhere will not be deactivated.  This will be an on-going activity in future months in the event anything changes and additional images need to be deactivated.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 24, 2013, 12:40
Once again the "all or nothing" argument rears its ugly head.  Are we on a middle school playground?    What adult is going to allow themselves to be goaded into deleting images they otherwise wouldn't by a forum post anyway?

We are each curators of our own collections and as such, are the only ones in the position of choosing what we delete or don't.

Hundreds of people deleting all or part of their portfolios will send a much louder message, and more negatively affect the overall collection and its diversity, than if a couple dozen delete ALL of their portfolio.  That already happened when the RC credit scheme was introduced and we all saw how NOT effective that was.   

Any and all images deleted on or before Feb 2 add to the value of this protest. 

Exactly! So why on earth do you keep on trying so hard to convince us otherwise all the time? Or better said, why are you dictating to us what, why and when we should and should not do?

To everyone his own, opinion, posts and actions ;) . It's a free forum, innit?

Huh??  Can you please point to any post of mine where I am dictating that anybody has to do anything?  Spreading awareness is not dictating.  Nobody seems to have read it that way except you.

You seem to either be misunderstanding the whole point of this thread or else are confused about what the term "dictating" means.  ???
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: CJ6 on January 24, 2013, 12:51
Once again the "all or nothing" argument rears its ugly head. Are we on a middle school playground? What adult is going to allow themselves to be goaded into deleting images they otherwise wouldn't by a forum post anyway?

We are each curators of our own collections and as such, are the only ones in the position of choosing what we delete or don't.

Hundreds of people deleting all or part of their portfolios will send a much louder message, and more negatively affect the overall collection and its diversity, than if a couple dozen delete ALL of their portfolio.  That already happened when the RC credit scheme was introduced and we all saw how NOT effective that was.   

Any and all images deleted on or before Feb 2 add to the value of this protest. 

Exactly! So why on earth do you keep on trying so hard to convince us otherwise all the time? Or better said, why are you dictating to us what, why and when we should and should not do?

To everyone his own, opinion, posts and actions ;) . It's a free forum, innit?

Huh??  Can you please point to any post of mine where I am dictating that anybody has to do anything?  I've certainly attempted to spread awareness that this was happening, but if you reread my posts, you will see I have gone out of my way to say each person can decide at what, if any level, they participate.   

You seem to either be misunderstanding every post I've made (if you've even read them) or else are confused about what the term "dictating" means.  ???

It's in bold. Good enough?

I don't want to fight, I really don't, I strongly support this initiative and us (contributors) staying divided rather than united only make it less likely for this initiative to succeed. Kudos to you for starting this, but please, let free opinions flow, don't object or try to convince people that are thinking differently otherwise or what's better for them.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: luissantos84 on January 24, 2013, 12:58
Which Yuri isn't. I couldn't understand his logic in continuing to UL images to other agencies, after starting his own, but continuing to do so even now, makes me wonder if he's gone completely mental.
He has a sizeable staff to keep paying.

But OTOH so much more to loose

hi there lagereek, drop the double o ;D
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 24, 2013, 13:00

I don't want to fight, I really don't, I strongly support this initiative and us (contributors) staying divided rather than united only make it less likely for this initiative to succeed. Kudos to you for starting this, but please, let free opinions flow, don't object or try to convince people that are thinking differently otherwise or what's better for them.

Okay, I am going to say this again because you still aren't getting it.  I HAVEN'T TOLD ANYONE ELSE WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO or "what's better for them"!!!!!  Nowhere can you point to anyplace that I have.  It didn't happen.  It is a fiction you have created. 

How about you don't keep posting lies about what my words and motivations are and I won't have to keep correcting them?  Sound fair? 

On one thing we agree.  This bickering isn't helping anything. 

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 24, 2013, 13:02
Once again the "all or nothing" argument rears its ugly head. Are we on a middle school playground? What adult is going to allow themselves to be goaded into deleting images they otherwise wouldn't by a forum post anyway?

We are each curators of our own collections and as such, are the only ones in the position of choosing what we delete or don't.

Hundreds of people deleting all or part of their portfolios will send a much louder message, and more negatively affect the overall collection and its diversity, than if a couple dozen delete ALL of their portfolio.  That already happened when the RC credit scheme was introduced and we all saw how NOT effective that was.   

Any and all images deleted on or before Feb 2 add to the value of this protest. 

Exactly! So why on earth do you keep on trying so hard to convince us otherwise all the time? Or better said, why are you dictating to us what, why and when we should and should not do?

To everyone his own, opinion, posts and actions ;) . It's a free forum, innit?

Huh??  Can you please point to any post of mine where I am dictating that anybody has to do anything?  I've certainly attempted to spread awareness that this was happening, but if you reread my posts, you will see I have gone out of my way to say each person can decide at what, if any level, they participate.   

You seem to either be misunderstanding every post I've made (if you've even read them) or else are confused about what the term "dictating" means.  ???

It's in bold. Good enough?

No. At no point has Lisa tried dictating to anyone.
She has stated her opinion, which she is entitled to just like the rest of us.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: CJ6 on January 24, 2013, 13:04

I don't want to fight, I really don't, I strongly support this initiative and us (contributors) staying divided rather than united only make it less likely for this initiative to succeed. Kudos to you for starting this, but please, let free opinions flow, don't object or try to convince people that are thinking differently otherwise or what's better for them.

Okay, I am going to say this again because you still aren't getting it.  I HAVEN'T TOLD ANYONE ELSE WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO or "what's better for them"!!!!!  Nowhere can you point to anyplace that I have.  It didn't happen.  It is a fiction you have created. 

How about you don't keep posting lies about what my words and motivations are and I won't have to keep correcting them?  Sound fair? 

On one thing we agree.  This bickering isn't helping anything.

I guess you can't read bold. You're like politicians, both in implying and not admitting anything even if the proof is right in front of them. Of course, they're lies.

Indeed, I'm out of this, just so you know, I'm on to you ;)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 24, 2013, 13:07

I guess you can't read bold. You're like politicians, both in implying and not admitting anything even if the proof is right in front of them. Of course, they're lies.

Oh good, more insults and personal attacks.   You continue to prove my playground analogy.  ::)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: luissantos84 on January 24, 2013, 13:10

I don't want to fight, I really don't, I strongly support this initiative and us (contributors) staying divided rather than united only make it less likely for this initiative to succeed. Kudos to you for starting this, but please, let free opinions flow, don't object or try to convince people that are thinking differently otherwise or what's better for them.

Okay, I am going to say this again because you still aren't getting it.  I HAVEN'T TOLD ANYONE ELSE WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO or "what's better for them"!!!!!  Nowhere can you point to anyplace that I have.  It didn't happen.  It is a fiction you have created. 

How about you don't keep posting lies about what my words and motivations are and I won't have to keep correcting them?  Sound fair? 

On one thing we agree.  This bickering isn't helping anything.

I guess you can't read bold. You're like politicians, both in implying and not admitting anything even if the proof is right in front of them. Of course, they're lies.

Indeed, I'm out of this, just so you know, I'm on to you ;)

1st bang your head against the wall like 100 times then come back, your opinion and experience in RM/RF/penny stock is very important to us, you really contribute a lot to this forum ;D
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: CJ6 on January 24, 2013, 13:12

I guess you can't read bold. You're like politicians, both in implying and not admitting anything even if the proof is right in front of them. Of course, they're lies.

Oh good, more insults and personal attacks.   You continue to prove my playground analogy.  ::)

Just do what's right on the 2nd. I'll be watching your deactivations carefully. You, as the initiator of this mass deactivation movement, have an obligation to make a stand and that means deleting most, if not all of your flames.

And now you can say I'm telling you what to do. Exactly, I'm telling you what's expected of you. You put yourself out there after all ;)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jonathan Ross on January 24, 2013, 13:12
Hi Lisa,

 I think you were probably misunderstood. That happens a lot on forums sometimes it is a language barrier sometimes it is because they didn't read the entire post and sometimes it is because they have their own position and when they read your words they are misinterpreted because of what they already believe. I can see from reading a lot of the posts here that this is a very emotionally charged conversation for some. My only advice when making business decisions is to remove yourself emotionally as much as you can from your decision making. I know that is easier said than done but I would be out looking for as much solid information as possible rather than speculating.
 Here are replies to three posts that I feel are speculation and not based on fact. Getty did not make a huge sale here if you knew the sale price it would blow your mind, very small. Getty did not make a deal to continue to feed Google anymore content and last Hughstoneian Getty makes $1 million dollars a year off of just my sales, they actually make more and if I deleted my account they would not bat an eye.
 So my concern on this deal is that if you want to really make a stand and have people take notice you have to pull your entire collection especially the best sellers or don't bother. To remove your bottom feeder images is only helping Istock and Getty out by clearing out the trash to add new stronger content, this has to hurt Istock in order to work.
 Once again this is only my opinion but it is based on some facts like the price they made for this sale. It was peanuts to Getty so I do not think Getty wants Google to take over their business these are very savvy business people that want to and hopefully will make Getty stronger I guarantee that is what Getty wants in the long run. Keep up the info sharing I think that is always a good idea but be carful not to believe all you read without first doing some investigating.

Best,
Jonathan
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: pixel86 on January 24, 2013, 13:15
everybody is working on deactivating and or deleting pictures while some are still uploading, one of them is Yuri, he is meeting with GI next Monday right, what will he say? Hi guys, I am still uploading so go ahead with more google stuff, how about yahoo? ::)
I've noticed that several of the BDs are still uploading.
Hardly surprising. They're mostly wearing solid-gold handcuffs that prevent them doing anything without suffering a catastrophic fall in their income.


I also think the higher up you are, the more negotiating power to get better deals. If yuri can negotiate some "boost" to his sales by sacrificing some images to google deal, i have no doubt thats gonna happen. Every man for himself when it comes to big money is likely the motto.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: CJ6 on January 24, 2013, 13:18
Hi Lisa,

 I think you were probably misunderstood. That happens a lot on forums sometimes it is a language barrier sometimes it is because they didn't read the entire post and sometimes it is because they have their own position and when they read your words they are misinterpreted because of what they already believe. I can see from reading a lot of the posts here that this is a very emotionally charged conversation for some. My only advice when making business decisions is to remove yourself emotionally as much as you can from your decision making. I know that is easier said than done but I would be out looking for as much solid information as possible rather than speculating.
 Here are replies to three posts that I feel are speculation and not based on fact. Getty did not make a huge sale here if you knew the sale price it would blow your mind, very small. Getty did not make a deal to continue to feed Google anymore content and last Hughstoneian Getty makes $1 million dollars a year off of just my sales, they actually make more and if I deleted my account they would not bat an eye.
So my concern on this deal is that if you want to really make a stand and have people take notice you have to pull your entire collection especially the best sellers or don't bother. To remove your bottom feeder images is only helping Istock and Getty out by clearing out the trash to add new stronger content, this has to hurt Istock in order to work.
 Once again this is only my opinion but it is based on some facts like the price they made for this sale. It was peanuts to Getty so I do not think Getty wants Google to take over their business these are very savvy business people that want to and hopefully will make Getty stronger I guarantee that is what Getty wants in the long run. Keep up the info sharing I think that is always a good idea but be carful not to believe all you read without first doing some investigating.

Best,
Jonathan

I'm not going to say, finally, a voice of reason, but I will say I agree with it completely.

 Thinking otherwise is illogical and naive. And then there's the "deactivation to protect my IP" argument. What are you going to protect, your worst, or your best images? Please use your brain people, make logical decisions ;)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 24, 2013, 13:20
Feb 2nd projected total is now 39,328+ deactivated or deleted files

Some more from the iStock forum
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 24, 2013, 13:22

I guess you can't read bold. You're like politicians, both in implying and not admitting anything even if the proof is right in front of them. Of course, they're lies.

Oh good, more insults and personal attacks.   You continue to prove my playground analogy.  ::)

Just do what's right on the 2nd. I'll be watching your deactivations carefully. You, as the initiator of this mass deactivation movement, have an obligation to make a stand and that means deleting most, if not all of your flames.

And now you can say I'm telling you what to do. Exactly, I'm telling you what's expected of you. You put yourself out there after all ;)

First off, thanks very much for crediting me with starting this movement.  I am honored, but can only take credit for starting the thread here, not the movement.  It was Sean Locke who took the lead bringing this to light, and others on the Istock forums who chose Feb 2nd as deactivation day (sorry, I would credit them here if I could manage to find who first posted that idea).

Yes, indeed it has been you all along telling people what to do.  Glad to see you have admitted it. 

As far as watching what I deactivate, if you are expecting me to start with my flames and work backward you are going to be disappointed.  Like a number of others here,  I am going to delete in stages, and starting with the older stuff. 

If you don't like that, I will have to just cry in my corn flakes.  The only people whose "expectations" matter to me are my family, and I can assure you I am discussing every phase of this situation and my plans to deal with it with them. 

Sorry if you feel let down, but I don't plan to be goaded into hasty and intemperate action by a random person on a forum, particularly one who joined all of two weeks ago. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: CJ6 on January 24, 2013, 13:23
Please use your brain people, make logical decisions ;)

you got one? it has PRICK written on it?

Who are you, anyway? What is the reason behind your personal attacks?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ffNixx on January 24, 2013, 13:24
Hi Lisa,

 I think you were probably misunderstood. That happens a lot on forums sometimes it is a language barrier sometimes it is because they didn't read the entire post and sometimes it is because they have their own position and when they read your words they are misinterpreted because of what they already believe. I can see from reading a lot of the posts here that this is a very emotionally charged conversation for some. My only advice when making business decisions is to remove yourself emotionally as much as you can from your decision making. I know that is easier said than done but I would be out looking for as much solid information as possible rather than speculating.
 Here are replies to three posts that I feel are speculation and not based on fact. Getty did not make a huge sale here if you knew the sale price it would blow your mind, very small. Getty did not make a deal to continue to feed Google anymore content and last Hughstoneian Getty makes $1 million dollars a year off of just my sales, they actually make more and if I deleted my account they would not bat an eye.
 So my concern on this deal is that if you want to really make a stand and have people take notice you have to pull your entire collection especially the best sellers or don't bother. To remove your bottom feeder images is only helping Istock and Getty out by clearing out the trash to add new stronger content, this has to hurt Istock in order to work.
 Once again this is only my opinion but it is based on some facts like the price they made for this sale. It was peanuts to Getty so I do not think Getty wants Google to take over their business these are very savvy business people that want to and hopefully will make Getty stronger I guarantee that is what Getty wants in the long run. Keep up the info sharing I think that is always a good idea but be carful not to believe all you read without first doing some investigating.

Best,
Jonathan

Jonathan, I take it from your refusal to answer my question that Blend did negotiate about the placement of images in the Google deal. I mean, you haven't denied it.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: luissantos84 on January 24, 2013, 13:26
Please use your brain people, make logical decisions ;)

you got one? it has PRICK written on it?

Who are you, anyway? What is the reason behind your personal attacks?

I am one of the 5 Millions guys sick of you and your mental issue, get a shrink or some friends because we don't need to deal with your deep issues everyday
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Reef on January 24, 2013, 13:27
A quote from someone on iStock

"Getty and iStock must understand that they only distribute our content, they are not the owners of it."

This is why I support the Feb 2nd movement.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ClaridgeJ on January 24, 2013, 13:33
Now, the shoe is on the other foot and its retaliation time, taking it all back time, etc and now most here are peeing themselves.

But you know, this actually isn't what's going on here at all.  This is not a case of microstock images being given away for free.  It is GETTY images - the expensive stuff - being given away for free.   This isn't the trads getting back at the micros.  This is Getty slitting its own throat for short term profit. 

Your glee at others misfortune has been duly noted Christian.  Why don't you give it a rest.  Even I have put you on ignore now, and I am usually one of your defenders.  Your gloating is both uninformed and unseemly.

How can you say that Lisa?  when I will get hit just as much as anybody else? when I sit in exactly the same boat as everybody else. I find that quite absurd.
The differance is, I have learnt with time that nothing in this business is a lasting affair. I actually told you years back in this forum that sooner or later we will get hit. Everybody laughed then, etc, etc and so on.

Now Yuri is getting blamed for uploading instead of deactivating. If it came to join forces with ppl like you and a few others, yes I would indeed BUT the rest of the screamers,  no way, none can be trusted further then you could throw them.

For your info. Last week I spent sometime not just deactivating but closing my entire accounts with 3 agencies. I dont deactivaste, I delete! big differance.

Havent you asked yourself why these big-shots are not deactivating  NOW?  why wait? and why just deactivating? why not show them hell and DELETE?

Or could it be that they want the best of two worlds perhaps?  that will never happen Lisa. :)

PM me not here but on my private mail. Got some extraordinary news for you........... but not here.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 24, 2013, 13:35
Feb 2nd projected total is now 39,328+ deactivated or deleted files

Some more from the iStock forum

One person who said at the beginning, over on iStock,that they were going to start deactivating their whole port right away now has over 100 files more than they had at that time.
I'm not denying their right to change their mind, and other people may deactivate who have not announced their intention to do so.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 24, 2013, 13:36
Hi Lisa,

 I think you were probably misunderstood. That happens a lot on forums sometimes it is a language barrier sometimes it is because they didn't read the entire post and sometimes it is because they have their own position and when they read your words they are misinterpreted because of what they already believe. I can see from reading a lot of the posts here that this is a very emotionally charged conversation for some. My only advice when making business decisions is to remove yourself emotionally as much as you can from your decision making. I know that is easier said than done but I would be out looking for as much solid information as possible rather than speculating.


Jonathan, as usual a well reasoned and informed post :)

I particularly agree with the highlighted portion above, and fully intend to follow it.  I would imagine that most of us who have managed to build successful stock photography businesses already possess the ability to separate business decisions from emotion, although we may still have strong feelings about the business. 

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: CJ6 on January 24, 2013, 13:37

As far as watching what I deactivate, if you are expecting me to start with my flames and work backward you are going to be disappointed.  Like a number of others here,  I am going to delete in stages, and starting with the older stuff. 


That's all I wanted to hear. **, I'm good.

Just so we're clear, you yourself are not going to do absolutely anything to send a message or hurt GI or protect your IP. The only message it'll be and GI will get is: I took out the trash for you, doing your work for you. And what others here will see: She started a thread, so many of us have deleted our ports or at least our bestseller, we did everything we could to make it work, to send a strong message. While she kept on selling her bestsellers and increased her earnings because she had less good images to compete with. I have to admit, you indeed are a smart woman. Great plan!

And of course it's not just you, there are other BDs (or lower canisters, but you folks are the people who can make the difference and others look up to), as pointed out, Yuri etc. I'm just saying, you're no better than them.

P.S. It's not a personal attack, it's just pointing out to people not at all attempting to do what they say they're trying to do.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: luissantos84 on January 24, 2013, 13:37
Havent you asked yourself why these big-shots are not deactivating  NOW?  why wait? and why just deactivating? why not show them hell and DELETE?

1 - you have 16 flames active at iStock
2 - you have files uploaded on January 18th
3 - what . are you talking about?

now we have CJ6 and ClaridgeJ, isn't it boring to logout and login?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on January 24, 2013, 13:43

As far as watching what I deactivate, if you are expecting me to start with my flames and work backward you are going to be disappointed.  Like a number of others here,  I am going to delete in stages, and starting with the older stuff. 


That's all I wanted to hear. **, I'm good.

Just so we're clear, you yourself are not going to do absolutely anything to send a message or hurt GI or protect your IP. The only message it'll be and GI will get is: I took out the trash for you, doing your work for you. And what others here will see: She started a thread, so many of us have deleted our ports or at least our bestseller, we did everything we could to make it work, to send a strong message. While she kept on selling her bestsellers and increased her earnings because she had less good images to compete with. I have to admit, you indeed are a smart woman. Great plan!

And of course it's not just you, there are other BDs (or lower canisters, but you folks are the people who can make the difference and others look up to), as pointed out, Yuri etc. I'm just saying, you're no better than them.

P.S. It's not a personal attack, it's just pointing out to people not at all attempting to do what they say they're trying to do.
You're making a big fool of yourself.  I think I was the one that said I was going to deactivate files on February 1st and then someone mentioned ground hog day on the 2end and that seemed like a good day to coordinate it.  What images we deactivate is up to us, not you.  Personally I've already deleted my best images.  It would be nice if everyone else did that but I fully understand that not everyone is willing to take the big risk I'm taking.

Lisa has done nothing wrong here other than to reply to an idiot like you.  Who are you by the way?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on January 24, 2013, 13:50
^^^If it is, why doesn't Leaf just ban him for good?  He can go back to annoying people on the alamy forum then.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 24, 2013, 13:52

As far as watching what I deactivate, if you are expecting me to start with my flames and work backward you are going to be disappointed.  Like a number of others here,  I am going to delete in stages, and starting with the older stuff. 


That's all I wanted to hear. **, I'm good.

Just so we're clear, you yourself are not going to do absolutely anything to send a message or hurt GI or protect your IP. The only message it'll be and GI will get is: I took out the trash for you, doing your work for you. And what others here will see: She started a thread, so many of us have deleted our ports or at least our bestseller, we did everything we could to make it work, to send a strong message. While she kept on selling her bestsellers and increased her earnings because she had less good images to compete with. I have to admit, you indeed are a smart woman. Great plan!

And of course it's not just you, there are other BDs (or lower canisters, but you folks are the people who can make the difference and others look up to), as pointed out, Yuri etc. I'm just saying, you're no better than them.

P.S. It's not a personal attack, it's just pointing out to people not at all attempting to do what they say they're trying to do.

Awful lot of flames and judgment you are throwing from behind your wall of anonymity there....  ::)

Again, I don't have to defend myself or my actions to you.  I've been clear from the beginning about how I intend to handle this. If you had read the earlier pages of this thread none of this would have come as a shock to you anyway. 


ETA:  Sharpshot's right - Strike that^^.   No point in continuing to reply to this nonsense.   

And Kuddos, BTW, Sharpshot - I didn't know you were the one to get the ball rolling on this, but good for you!  :D

@Luis - I'm beginning to wonder if you are right about who CJ6 is.  If it is, in fact, Christian, then I am quite surprised that someone who has always pretended be my friend has such a low opinion of me. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Reef on January 24, 2013, 14:03
This whole topic certainly raises some complex issues that are hard to deal with.

I don’t believe this is about making a decision based on business or passion.

It’s about what is right and wrong.

It’s as simple as that, and yet it’s not.

It may seem illogical to say, but every cloud has a silver lining.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Poncke on January 24, 2013, 14:08
everybody is working on deactivating and or deleting pictures while some are still uploading, one of them is Yuri, he is meeting with GI next Monday right, what will he say? Hi guys, I am still uploading so go ahead with more google stuff, how about yahoo? ::)
I've noticed that several of the BDs are still uploading.
Hardly surprising. They're mostly wearing solid-gold handcuffs that prevent them doing anything without suffering a catastrophic fall in their income.
I think I could scrape by on the money Yuri makes from the sites other than Getty/istock :)

Yeah, the thing is that the independent black diamonds are the exception rather than the rule. If you know that come what may you won't deactivate your portfolio or hand in  your crown and your future is entirely in Getty's hands, then it's valid to ask whether you should rock the boat or do anything to depart from your usual business activities. I'm not passing any judgement, I'm just saying I can understand why they might carry on regardless.
Isnt the saying someones dead is someone elses bread? At least its a saying where I come from. With all those people deleting images, someone else must get more sales.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Poncke on January 24, 2013, 14:10
everybody is working on deactivating and or deleting pictures while some are still uploading, one of them is Yuri, he is meeting with GI next Monday right, what will he say? Hi guys, I am still uploading so go ahead with more google stuff, how about yahoo? ::)

Yuri will take care of Yuri. He's not about community or the good of the industry as far as I can tell. He's entitled to run his business as he sees fit, but IMO no one else should think of him as in any way coming to the rescue of other people whose tit is caught in the wringer
No one will come to Yuri's rescue either when he is being sued for something that concerns the community as well. The glasses debacle. When he loses that case, we all lose. Not criticizing your comment though, just my thoughts.  ;)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: luissantos84 on January 24, 2013, 14:16
everybody is working on deactivating and or deleting pictures while some are still uploading, one of them is Yuri, he is meeting with GI next Monday right, what will he say? Hi guys, I am still uploading so go ahead with more google stuff, how about yahoo? ::)

Yuri will take care of Yuri. He's not about community or the good of the industry as far as I can tell. He's entitled to run his business as he sees fit, but IMO no one else should think of him as in any way coming to the rescue of other people whose tit is caught in the wringer
No one will come to Yuri's rescue either when he is being sued for something that concerns the community as well. The glasses debacle. When he loses that case, we all lose. Not criticizing your comment though, just my thoughts.  ;)

indeed but what do we know from the glasses lawsuit? 2 months and half and he haven't add anything else, I believe we will have the same reply from the meeting with GI
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Poncke on January 24, 2013, 14:29
^^^If it is, why doesn't Leaf just ban him for good?  He can go back to annoying people on the alamy forum then.
My thoughts exactly
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: luissantos84 on January 24, 2013, 14:32
^^^If it is, why doesn't Leaf just ban him for good?  He can go back to annoying people on the alamy forum then.
My thoughts exactly

+1
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Poncke on January 24, 2013, 14:33
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Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ClaridgeJ on January 24, 2013, 14:37
Havent you asked yourself why these big-shots are not deactivating  NOW?  why wait? and why just deactivating? why not show them hell and DELETE?

1 - you have 16 flames active at iStock
2 - you have files uploaded on January 18th
3 - what . are you talking about?

now we have CJ6 and ClaridgeJ, isn't it boring to logout and login?

a year back my friend I deleted 7 blue flames and over 20 red flames. Not for this reason but for uploading them as macro RF.

just for the info. I havent got the lightest idea of who or what this CJ6 person is, might be an extention of MI6 I suppose.

Last week I deleted and closed my accounts at 3 other agencies. I go all the way and delete not JUST deactivate, anybody can do that.

No not at IS and why should I?  you mean to join the losers. No thanks.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on January 24, 2013, 15:01
Can you people take your elementary school playground energy and try to focus it in the subject at hand instead of trying to one up bitch-slap your peers with your wittiness?  No wonder nothing ever gets done around here.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: leaf on January 24, 2013, 15:04
Ok.  I've cleaned up the thread a little bit (at least the last 15 or so posts)..

Two members were banned.  One was given a time out (temp ban) and the other was banned for good.

Let's stick to the topic and cool down on the insults / personal attacks.  If you insist on attacking others you'll join the cool down party.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: HughStoneIan on January 24, 2013, 15:07
Thanks Leaf!!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Poncke on January 24, 2013, 15:13
Can you people take your elementary school playground energy and try to focus it in the subject at hand instead of trying to one up bitch-slap your peers with your wittiness?  No wonder nothing ever gets done around here.
I am sorry Sean, but its tough when a few people try to disrupt. Unfortunately others who mean well get sucked in. Including me.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jamesbenet on January 24, 2013, 16:27
Yesterday i got all the PP files I had activated 2 years back off that list.  Looking back at it it did more damage than good to sales as it devalued the chances of iStock sales.    Sean and others did make the point back then but I didn't listen.   I was wrong and I'm sorry! The best match had buried those files and I thought it wasa way to get some life back in, not worth it!

So around 800 files less for Thinkstock and or Photos.com to give away.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 24, 2013, 16:44
Yesterday i got all the PP files I had activated 2 years back off that list.  Looking back at it it did more damage than good to sales as it devalued the chances of iStock sales.    Sean and others did make the point back then but I didn't listen.   I was wrong and I'm sorry! The best match had buried those files and I thought it wasa way to get some life back in, not worth it!

So around 800 files less for Thinkstock and or Photos.com to give away.
Good for you, but although oldladybird assures us that no iStock files were given away (for $12 or $6) in the second giveaway, I don't think there's anything stopping them taking from iStock's main collection if they choose to do so.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: trofia on January 24, 2013, 17:22
I read several comments, the first of this thread, and now a bit confused...so, on Feb 2nd a lot of people is going to deactivate the entire or part of their portfolio on iStock. I have tried to de-activate a couple of files, but they ask for deactivation reason. Is there a way to bulk-deactivate the whole portfolio? I have about 300 files there, it would take an entire day doing one by one...please advise!

ciao
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 24, 2013, 20:27
I read several comments, the first of this thread, and now a bit confused...so, on Feb 2nd a lot of people is going to deactivate the entire or part of their portfolio on iStock. I have tried to de-activate a couple of files, but they ask for deactivation reason. Is there a way to bulk-deactivate the whole portfolio? I have about 300 files there, it would take an entire day doing one by one...please advise!

ciao


There are a number of references in this thread to Sean Locke's Greasemonkey script, which will allow you to deactivate much faster. 

Here's a link to Tyler's post explaining it: 
http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/d-day-%28deactivation-day%29-on-istock-feb-2/msg291150/#msg291150 (http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/d-day-%28deactivation-day%29-on-istock-feb-2/msg291150/#msg291150)

And here's the direct link: 
http://digitalplanetdesign.com/scripts/IS_myUploads_fixes.user.js (http://digitalplanetdesign.com/scripts/IS_myUploads_fixes.user.js)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: spike on January 24, 2013, 21:33
Why has CJ6 been banned?

He's made a valid point: deleting just the non-sellers effectively doesn't do much. I also hold the opinion that if you're deleting your images, it should include your best sellers as well. Can this "issue" be discussed in a constructive way, without anyone being banned (maybe a new topic)? It sounds reasonable and logical because of that 20/80 distribution [20% of your photos make up 80% of your income (however, some say it's more like 10/80)] - if I delete or deactivate the bottom 50% of my portfolio, it'll only affect 5% of my earnings. Sure - the total number of photos available to iStock will be smaller, but only the non-selling files will be gone. We're actually curating the collective portfolio and making it more appealing to the buyers, right?

I firmly believe that every action should carry a meaning. And we need a strong action to carry a strong meaning. Is this really a strong action?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: spike on January 24, 2013, 21:41
In addition, if we really send out a strong message, maybe the royalty percentage would be negotiable as well, since they would lose a lot of top selling images. And those are the ones that keep the agencies afloat. ;)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Pixart on January 24, 2013, 22:02
Hey Spike, I can see your point of view, I really can. But, at the moment I personally feel like I've been such a freakin idiot to be selling photos for 16% cut. I don't have files in this deal, but tomorrow - who knows.  It's like I just woke up from a bender and said "OMG what did I do last night?  How will I show my face again?"    I just pulled all my files from 123 because they chopped royalties - that were much higher than Istocks I should point out.  How in good consience could I stay with Istock? 

I think I must have been glamoured by those blood * vampires.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: aremafoto on January 24, 2013, 22:38
...

 I have spoken directly with Blend about our images that were used. They were from our Legacy collection images that have been with us from the start and are no longer making sales.

...

Not true... I have one of my Blend images there that was uploaded in 2011 and is still making sales.
I guess I can kiss goodbye for future earnings from that image.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: crazychristina on January 24, 2013, 22:42
Why has CJ6 been banned?

He's made a valid point: deleting just the non-sellers effectively doesn't do much. I also hold the opinion that if you're deleting your images, it should include your best sellers as well. Can this "issue" be discussed in a constructive way, without anyone being banned (maybe a new topic)? It sounds reasonable and logical because of that 20/80 distribution [20% of your photos make up 80% of your income (however, some say it's more like 10/80)] - if I delete or deactivate the bottom 50% of my portfolio, it'll only affect 5% of my earnings. Sure - the total number of photos available to iStock will be smaller, but only the non-selling files will be gone. We're actually curating the collective portfolio and making it more appealing to the buyers, right?

I firmly believe that every action should carry a meaning. And we need a strong action to carry a strong meaning. Is this really a strong action?

Hi spike, I think many people have a different reason for deactivating, not just to send a message. That is to protect your IP. If Getty makes your files available for what is effectively free distribution through Google then you'll have little prospect of selling them again anywhere. Also if you have images of models who were doing you a favor, maybe family or friends, you may not want to risk that they could be used for any purpose without redress, unlike the standard licences that give some protection. It would be nice to send Getty a message but it would seem they're not listening anyway.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jonathan Ross on January 24, 2013, 23:51
Hi ffNixx,

 I did answer it earlier when I said it was 62 of our bottom feeders that were agreed upon by Blend and Getty from our Legacy collection. Getty did not just pull our files. If you reread what I already wrote I think you will find I clearly stated this prior.

Jonathan

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jonathan Ross on January 25, 2013, 00:11
Hello aremafoto,

 I think this is something you need to take up directly with the CEO or editors at Blend. If you are unhappy about an image of yours that you feel will not sell again or your sales are not good at Blend they want to know. One thing to consider, your image base price at Blend is much higher and those images will not be purchased for basic in-house use as is limited in the Google Docs agreement.
 You made a sale you did not do as much damage to your image sale on that one image being it is priced out at Macro RF prices keeping it from being chosen for in-house use generally speaking.
 This was also to strengthen Blends position and relations with the largest distributor of imagery in the world, and that it did. In the end of the day you have to ask yourself " am I happy with what my agency is doing for me and if not is there someone else that could do better ". If so then I think you should shoot the largest % of your work for that agency that makes you the most return but I would still never rely on just that one agency, things have a way of changing fast in this business. Just my 2 cents. If you would like to PM me for support on the issue I would be very happy to help in any way I can.

Thanks,
Jonathan
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on January 25, 2013, 00:49
Hello aremafoto,

This was also to strengthen Blends position and relations with the largest distributor of imagery in the world, and that it did.

You're kidding us? You really think that Getty's going to cosy up to your agency just because you let it license a few dozen images on a deal that your CEO apparently agreed with them was just a perfectly normal everyday bundle deal. They've already told us that the deal is good for Google, good for Getty and good for the people who supply the images, so in their eyes they've presumably done you a favour, not the other way round.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: JPSDK on January 25, 2013, 01:00
I deleted my flames because I was tired of being abused.
I left one up, so I can reach the next payout, then Ill delete the rest.

BUT interesting enough, I have had good sales at other agencies with those images. Much better than usual. So it looks like the buyers follow the images.

+ I have sales on strange old pictures at istock.
So it looks like the buyers are spending their savings.

I wonder if that after the exodus at the 2nd of Feb. istock will become a sinkhole?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: raclro on January 25, 2013, 01:17
Why has CJ6 been banned?

He's made a valid point: deleting just the non-sellers effectively doesn't do much. I also hold the opinion that if you're deleting your images, it should include your best sellers as well. Can this "issue" be discussed in a constructive way, without anyone being banned (maybe a new topic)? It sounds reasonable and logical because of that 20/80 distribution [20% of your photos make up 80% of your income (however, some say it's more like 10/80)] - if I delete or deactivate the bottom 50% of my portfolio, it'll only affect 5% of my earnings. Sure - the total number of photos available to iStock will be smaller, but only the non-selling files will be gone. We're actually curating the collective portfolio and making it more appealing to the buyers, right?

I firmly believe that every action should carry a meaning. And we need a strong action to carry a strong meaning. Is this really a strong action?

I agree in full with this analysis.  Symbolic yes, effective???--- to be determined

I can't seem to find it in the multitude of posts, but how can you tell if your photos have been sent over?
Thanks, and best wishes to all no matter what they choose.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: JPSDK on January 25, 2013, 01:23
it was not his debates and arguments, but all the aliases that always ended with the same insults.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Reaktori on January 25, 2013, 01:35
Warming up with deleting all 3 of my flickr -> getty images and closing the account there.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ffNixx on January 25, 2013, 03:54
Hi ffNixx,

 I did answer it earlier when I said it was 62 of our bottom feeders that were agreed upon by Blend and Getty from our Legacy collection. Getty did not just pull our files. If you reread what I already wrote I think you will find I clearly stated this prior.

Jonathan

Thank you for the confirmation.

To the rest of you who are affected by the deal and were not consulted, this is valuable information, it strengthens your case. Getty acted arbitrarily in how they interpreted their contractual obligations. Their prudence to seek agreement from contributors was not uniformly applied and they placed those who were not consulted at a competitive disadvantage.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on January 25, 2013, 04:12
Hi ffNixx,

 I did answer it earlier when I said it was 62 of our bottom feeders that were agreed upon by Blend and Getty from our Legacy collection. Getty did not just pull our files. If you reread what I already wrote I think you will find I clearly stated this prior.

Jonathan
So it looks like they have some respect for Blend but its different for the contributors that had some of their better selling images used in the Google collection without being consulted about it.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: leaf on January 25, 2013, 05:14
Why has CJ6 been banned?

He was banned because he has been banned many times before under different accounts (wut, slovenian) for being rude, insulting to others and unprofessional. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: leaf on January 25, 2013, 05:16
I can't seem to find it in the multitude of posts, but how can you tell if your photos have been sent over?



you can search for your name or username on this list
http://seanlockephotography.com/data.html (http://seanlockephotography.com/data.html)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: vlad_the_imp on January 25, 2013, 05:28
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Anybody care to venture a guess on how much all this file deletion has cost Getty so far? With a very conservative estimate of 40,000 files by 02/02, my guess would be at the very least $1-million (including their 85% cut). And it will grow as the momentum continues. Many of these files are highly profitable bestsellers from experienced artists, and it's taken time for those images to reach their peak. So even if people are "waiting in line" to join IS, these file deletions have already taken a considerable toll on GI's bottom line for a long time to come. Wish there was a way to get the actual figures and send them to the investors.

Whilst I have every sympathy with the action to deactivate files, I even may do some of mine, comments like this one just make me laugh. Do you honestly think that, because someone has deactivated a file, the buyer doesn't just go and buy a different one? They don't even know your files have gone. 40k files out of 12 million? A minute drop in the ocean, a pinprick on the side of an elephant. Deactivating hasn't, in anyones wildest dreams, 'taken a considerable toll on Getty's bottom line'.
I just want to inject a bit of reality here.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: maigi on January 25, 2013, 05:47
I just want to inject a bit of reality here.
Yes, the action - blogs, tweets, articles about D-Day, draw the attention, not the image drop itself. But the power of cooperation, voice of contributors. We are not silent lambs.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ClaridgeJ on January 25, 2013, 06:04
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Anybody care to venture a guess on how much all this file deletion has cost Getty so far? With a very conservative estimate of 40,000 files by 02/02, my guess would be at the very least $1-million (including their 85% cut). And it will grow as the momentum continues. Many of these files are highly profitable bestsellers from experienced artists, and it's taken time for those images to reach their peak. So even if people are "waiting in line" to join IS, these file deletions have already taken a considerable toll on GI's bottom line for a long time to come. Wish there was a way to get the actual figures and send them to the investors.

Whilst I have every sympathy with the action to deactivate files, I even may do some of mine, comments like this one just make me laugh. Do you honestly think that, because someone has deactivated a file, the buyer doesn't just go and buy a different one? They don't even know your files have gone. 40k files out of 12 million? A minute drop in the ocean, a pinprick on the side of an elephant. Deactivating hasn't, in anyones wildest dreams, 'taken a considerable toll on Getty's bottom line'.
I just want to inject a bit of reality here.

I dont give plus or minus hearts but I gave you one because youve just read my own thoughts! and for every file deactivated there are 50 being uploaded, so?????????????.
Besides deactivation isnt strong enough, it can be reactivated. Deletion would be much worse but ofcourse they are not prepared to go down that road. Wonder why?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: leaf on January 25, 2013, 06:14
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Besides deactivation isnt strong enough, it can be reactivated. Deletion would be much worse but ofcourse they are not prepared to go down that road. Wonder why?
Me?  Im uploading as if nothing is happening.

You keep harping on this delete thing.  The reason nobody is saying they are deleting their images is because iStock doesn't have a delete option.  There is only a deactivate option.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: vlad_the_imp on January 25, 2013, 06:28
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You keep harping on this delete thing.

I'd disagree, there is a delete option, delete your account, the images are deleted.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Poncke on January 25, 2013, 06:38
...
Besides deactivation isnt strong enough, it can be reactivated. Deletion would be much worse but ofcourse they are not prepared to go down that road. Wonder why?
Me?  Im uploading as if nothing is happening.

Ignorance is bliss, I guess.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on January 25, 2013, 06:41
I don't see why I should delete my account.  I'm leaving them all my worst images.  They will sell now and then and make me some money.  I'm not too concerned if they end up in the Google collection, as they'll barely make $12 anyway.  By keeping my account open, I can keep all my financial records that I might need in the future.

We're all going to decide to do different things for different reasons.  People need to accept that.  The objective for me isn't just about what's removed, as that will probably be replaced.  It's sending a message out to buyers that istock is no longer a place many of us are willing to have our best images.  They have lost any trust we once had and there are better sites for non-exclusive contributors and buyers to use.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: picture5469 on January 25, 2013, 07:34
The objective for me isn't just about what's removed, as that will probably be replaced.  It's sending a message out to buyers that istock is no longer a place many of us are willing to have our best images.  They have lost any trust we once had and there are better sites for non-exclusive contributors and buyers to use.

+1
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ClaridgeJ on January 25, 2013, 08:49
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Besides deactivation isnt strong enough, it can be reactivated. Deletion would be much worse but ofcourse they are not prepared to go down that road. Wonder why?
Me?  Im uploading as if nothing is happening.

You keep harping on this delete thing.  The reason nobody is saying they are deleting their images is because iStock doesn't have a delete option.  There is only a deactivate option.

Well Tyler I like harping :D but at IS, if you want to reactivate, they all have to pass new QC  ( new rules I think) and many older files wont make it.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 25, 2013, 08:53
...
Besides deactivation isnt strong enough, it can be reactivated. Deletion would be much worse but ofcourse they are not prepared to go down that road. Wonder why?
Me?  Im uploading as if nothing is happening.

You keep harping on this delete thing.  The reason nobody is saying they are deleting their images is because iStock doesn't have a delete option.  There is only a deactivate option.

Well Tyler I like harping :D but at IS, if you want to reactivate, they all have to pass new QC  ( new rules I think) and many older files wont make it.

I've read it that files over 18 months old must be reinspected, but I don't think we've had any official confirmation of that.
So it could well be that for many older files, deactivation would be an effective deletion.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ClaridgeJ on January 25, 2013, 08:57
...
Besides deactivation isnt strong enough, it can be reactivated. Deletion would be much worse but ofcourse they are not prepared to go down that road. Wonder why?
Me?  Im uploading as if nothing is happening.

You keep harping on this delete thing.  The reason nobody is saying they are deleting their images is because iStock doesn't have a delete option.  There is only a deactivate option.

Well Tyler I like harping :D but at IS, if you want to reactivate, they all have to pass new QC  ( new rules I think) and many older files wont make it.

I've read it that files over 18 months old must be reinspected, but I don't think we've had any official confirmation of that.
So it could well be that for many older files, deactivation would be an effective deletion.

If I remember correctly I think that files over a year old had to pass reviewing again. This is ofcourse a technical issue.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: fotorob on January 25, 2013, 11:00
(http://twitpic.com/proxy/web2/img/722496747-d9d791f9517b980e73f2bca4ddd78ced.5102ac00-scaled.jpg)

I started to deactivate 20 images today, at least 500 will follow on Monday.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: toots on January 25, 2013, 11:09
Just seen this from Lobo:

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I honestly hope more people take this attitude. It could get difficult for the folks ramping up to deactivate files to take a stand only to change their minds and request reactivations. We've already seen contacts from people who have deactivated a chunk of their portfolio who want reactivations. We've closed an account too. One whole account.

Imagine what will occur when the dust settles -and it will settle- after the contributor imposed deadline of Feb2. There are folks involved in that piece of protest that are currently running folks into a tough spot. Avatars, external forum campaigns and the like typically hurt the individual contributors more than they do Getty or iStock. Don't think we haven't been here before. Have we reached critical mass on all this issues? Maybe. I guess we will see.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Poncke on January 25, 2013, 11:14
Just seen this from Lobo:

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I honestly hope more people take this attitude. It could get difficult for the folks ramping up to deactivate files to take a stand only to change their minds and request reactivations. We've already seen contacts from people who have deactivated a chunk of their portfolio who want reactivations. We've closed an account too. One whole account.

Imagine what will occur when the dust settles -and it will settle- after the contributor imposed deadline of Feb2. There are folks involved in that piece of protest that are currently running folks into a tough spot. Avatars, external forum campaigns and the like typically hurt the individual contributors more than they do Getty or iStock. Don't think we haven't been here before. Have we reached critical mass on all this issues? Maybe. I guess we will see.
Wow, thats some typical reverse psychology tactics. Trying to create doubt and trying to set up people against each other.  Stick together folks.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 25, 2013, 11:15
Just seen this from Lobo:
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I honestly hope more people take this attitude. It could get difficult for the folks ramping up to deactivate files to take a stand only to change their minds and request reactivations. We've already seen contacts from people who have deactivated a chunk of their portfolio who want reactivations. We've closed an account too. One whole account.
Odd, as more people have reported that they have closed their account.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: toots on January 25, 2013, 11:22
Just seen this from Lobo:
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I honestly hope more people take this attitude. It could get difficult for the folks ramping up to deactivate files to take a stand only to change their minds and request reactivations. We've already seen contacts from people who have deactivated a chunk of their portfolio who want reactivations. We've closed an account too. One whole account.
Odd, as more people have reported that they have closed their account.

Maybe any exclusives that have closed their accounts aren't included because they have to wait 30 days for it to be closed. Could just be one independent that's closed his/her account he's referring to. Most are simply deactivating files at the moment, waiting for D-Day.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: JPSDK on January 25, 2013, 11:23
If the Istock forum was translated into Rusian and the word getty was replaced with gulag, we would all believe we had a historical source from the old USSR anno 1956.

it is an absurd circus.
Lies, theft, manipulations and threads

The comrade commisar, we can all guess who that is.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: KarenH on January 25, 2013, 11:26
I closed mine - canceled exclusivity on jan 10, and then just closed the account on Jan 23.  I didn't think I was the only one. 

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: a1bercik on January 25, 2013, 11:39
Just seen this from Lobo:
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I honestly hope more people take this attitude. It could get difficult for the folks ramping up to deactivate files to take a stand only to change their minds and request reactivations. We've already seen contacts from people who have deactivated a chunk of their portfolio who want reactivations. We've closed an account too. One whole account.
Odd, as more people have reported that they have closed their account.

There is no point to close an account now. November gave me more in PP sales than the regular sale. I'm waiting to the next month to do that. One account doesn't mean too much if people are waiting for full payments for their work. Lobo tries to sabotage the idea, that's what is he paid for.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: KarenH on January 25, 2013, 11:54
I just read Lobo's post, thanks for showing that.  I get so annoyed when he (or others there) attribute people's actions to what they choose to believe -- that anyone that closes an account or deactivates files does it without forethought, purely on emotion, without thought, or just to make a statement.  And that we'll come running back full of regret.  In my case, my income dropped to less in a month than I spend on coffee in a week.  I had a small portfolio, and a non-related full-time job.  They can throw all the hearts hearts unicorn rainbows around that they want, but it remains that THAT iStock no longer exists, and Getty is running the show. I wholly was against what they did, and do not trust them, and they were no longer worth stressing about or worrying about what they were going to do next.   They are not an organization I want to be any part of.  It made sense FOR ME to close my account.  I didn't do it to make a point, as I know it wouldn't mean a hill of beans to them.  I can only laugh at the idea that in a month I'll want to reopen.  It was not a snap decision at all.  Rant over.  :) 

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: dirkr on January 25, 2013, 11:59
Just seen this from Lobo:
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I honestly hope more people take this attitude. It could get difficult for the folks ramping up to deactivate files to take a stand only to change their minds and request reactivations. We've already seen contacts from people who have deactivated a chunk of their portfolio who want reactivations. We've closed an account too. One whole account.
Odd, as more people have reported that they have closed their account.

I interpreted that statement differently, as in WE have closed one account (and WE being Istock).
He is threatening people: Don't expect we will re-activate your files if you change your opinion, we might even kick you out.
He expects that many people might de-activate (which is not permanent) images to see if there is any impact, and if not, they might want to return as if nothing has happened. And he wants to scare anybody that thinks like this...
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: toots on January 25, 2013, 12:06
Just seen this from Lobo:
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I honestly hope more people take this attitude. It could get difficult for the folks ramping up to deactivate files to take a stand only to change their minds and request reactivations. We've already seen contacts from people who have deactivated a chunk of their portfolio who want reactivations. We've closed an account too. One whole account.
Odd, as more people have reported that they have closed their account.

I interpreted that statement differently, as in WE have closed one account (and WE being Istock).
He is threatening people: Don't expect we will re-activate your files if you change your opinion, we might even kick you out.
He expects that many people might de-activate (which is not permanent) images to see if there is any impact, and if not, they might want to return as if nothing has happened. And he wants to scare anybody that thinks like this...

He's doing that alright, another quote from Lobo:

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Yep. You have to know that if your serious about closing your account we can accommodate that. You can manually say good bye to all you uploads one at a time if that's your pleasure but the reactivation of those files could be problematic. I just figure it's important for people to realize it takes way more work for contributor relations to reactivate files than it takes for you to deactivate them. I would really consider the ramifications before I got to far ahead of myself.

I do care about all this. It's concerns me that there are people who are already half gone from the site motivating people to jump on board this new band wagon. In the past we've seen exclusives dump their crown only to scramble back 3 months or so later. This deactivation excersise is understandable considering everything just don't say I didn't warn you all.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: elvinstar on January 25, 2013, 12:11
I hope that Lobo keeps posting this sort of tripe. Anyone with a brain in their head can see what he's trying (and paid) to do.

I think that more people will leave iStock than will decide to stay as a result of his posts.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: nailiaschwarz on January 25, 2013, 12:15
I had only about 1200 images there, but I just deactivated all files that ever had a sale (and some more, 500 now), and I am going to deactivate the rest during the next week. I don't care if they start to listen or make up their mind, I am out of there for good.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: halfshag on January 25, 2013, 13:03
I've joined the 'One File Left Club' with my IP still intact thanks to MSG

Not sure why my post turned into a massive link, wasn't intentional.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: vlad_the_imp on January 25, 2013, 13:14
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If the Istock forum was translated into Rusian and the word getty was replaced with gulag, we would all believe we had a historical source from the old USSR anno 1956.

What an absurd statement. You should reconsider what you have written, some people would find it offensive.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: trek on January 25, 2013, 13:29
Two of my istock posts asking for an opt out before Feb 2 are "missing".  I think they're getting a little sensitive about the Feb 2nd thing. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Equus on January 25, 2013, 14:05
Reading Lobo's posts, I actually feel my jaw drop. He really said that??? I think the plan must be to make us feel as though we're beating our heads against a brick wall. Eventually it'll hurt so much, we'll give up.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: stockastic on January 25, 2013, 14:12
I don't think the actual number of deactivations is important.

The goal is to create bad publicity for IS - for buyers to start hearing that "photographers are pulling out of IStock".  Obviously it helps if some of the deactivations are from high-profile photographers, but I think it sounds more impressive to say "hundreds of photographers have deactivated images" than "an estimated x-thousand images have been deactivated".   

We want IS - and other agencies - to get that gnawing feeling that they might face serious legal problems from deals like this.  And we want buyers to start thinking about other sources.

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: click_click on January 25, 2013, 14:19
Two of my istock posts asking for an opt out before Feb 2 are "missing".  I think they're getting a little sensitive about the Feb 2nd thing.
Probably because they think that the deletion of files may become unsustainable for their business...  ;D
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Snufkin on January 25, 2013, 14:25
This was also to strengthen Blends position and relations with the largest distributor of imagery in the world, and that it did. In the end of the day you have to ask yourself " am I happy with what my agency is doing for me and if not is there someone else that could do better ".

I am surprised that such an intelligent person as you Jonathan could write such a nonsense post.

In my day job I work as key account manager and area sales manager for a company manufacturing tangible goods. In my job I encounter several types of business partners and I always adapt my style of conducting business to their type. There are for example "pals" with whom I can chat on the phone about everything and who can forgive almost any mess that we cause. There are also the "perfectionists", who require a very formal style. When we overdeliver goods, the perfectionist would send me a note "You overdelivered this item. We decided to keep the overdelivered quantity. Please invoice us". Then of course there are the "ruthless ones" who take advantage of your every weakness and the smallest mistake. Thankfully none of my current customers falls into this category but Getty Images is exactly this type of "business partner".

How to deal with such people? In my first job many years ago, we had a toxic boss who was a real pain for the employees. I was quite new there and one morning he started to make stupid remarks at me. I am a quiet person but by 11 my anger accumulated, I lost my temper and shouted at him in front of the whole sales team to p*ss off and leave me in peace. My shout was extremely loud and even our colleagues in the warehouse could hear it. They were sure I was a goner. I also thought that he would kick me out but I simply could not stand it anymore. Apparently I was too valuable to him and he just called me to his private room, told me I shouldn't have embarrassed him in front of the team, that he had just been "TESTING" me and bla bla. I said that I could not tolerate this kind of treatment. He did not fire me. For 2 weeks he didn't say a single word to me. After 2 weeks he invited me to a restaurant for a Sunday dinner. Afterwards I became his most respected advisor.
On the other hand, a female co-worker who cried after he mobbed her, was fired.

Why am I telling this? In this whole Getty-Google mess there is only one person who "strengthened their position" with that distributor of imagery, as you say. But that person is Sean, not Blend. Sean did the same thing that I did many years ago. By publishing the list he adapted to the type of his "business partner" and hit the bully between the eyes - the only way to gain respect from the bully.
And Blend? Well, Blend should change their name to BEND IMAGES, because that must be their new nickname at Getty. Just like my former boss "tested" me, Getty "tested" Blend and Blend failed the „test“. Probably Getty categorizes their business partners into groups, like I do with mine. Sean would fall there into the category of „clever and tough players“. And Blend? I guess that could be the category of „not-so-clever wussies“. They gave up territory and received peanuts in return. I can imagine a dialogue at Getty: „Hey, these guys at BEND think they strengthened their position when we made them donate a few dozen images“, „Yeah, they should be made to donate like 50 thousand images so that they think they are the emperors of the f*****g stock universe“.

I repeat Jonathan, the only person who „strengthened their position“ is Sean.
Of course I sympathize with him because he was scammed and his sales may suffer as even more buyers leave iStock. But if you are talking about "positions" he is the winner.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: allyclark on January 25, 2013, 14:30
This was also to strengthen Blends position and relations with the largest distributor of imagery in the world, and that it did. In the end of the day you have to ask yourself " am I happy with what my agency is doing for me and if not is there someone else that could do better ".

I am surprised that such an intelligent person as you Jonathan could write such a nonsense post.

In my day job I work as key account manager and area sales manager for a company manufacturing tangible goods. In my job I encounter several types of business partners and I always adapt my style of conducting business to their type. There are for example "pals" with which I can chat on the phone about everything and that can forgive almost any mess that we cause. There are also the "perfectionists" that require a very formal style. When we overdeliver goods, the perfectionist would send me a note "You overdelivered this item. We decided to keep the overdelivered quantity. Please invoice us". Then of course there are the "ruthless ones" who take advantage of your every weakness and the smallest mistake. Thankfully none of my current customers falls into this category but Getty Images is exactly this type of "business partner".

How to deal with such people? In my first job many years ago, we had a toxic boss who was a real pain for the employees. I was quite new there and one morning he started to make stupid remarks at me. I am a quiet person but by 11 my anger accumulated, I lost my temper and shouted at him in front of the whole sales team to p*ss off and leave me in peace. My shout was extremely loud and even our colleagues in the warehouse could hear it. They were sure I was a goner. I also thought that he would kick me out but I simply could not stand it anymore. Apparently I was too valuable to him and he just called me to his private room, told me I shouldn't have embarrassed him in front of the team, that he was just "TESTING" me and bla bla. I said that I could not tolerate this kind of treatment. He did not fire me. For 2 weeks he didn't say a single word to me. After 2 weeks he invited me to a restaurant for a Sunday dinner. Afterwards I became his most respected advisor.
On the other hand, a female co-worker who cried after he mobbed her, was fired.

Why am I telling this? In this whole Getty-Google mess there is only one person who "strengthened their position" with that distributor of imagery, as you say. But that person is Sean, not Blend. Sean did the same thing that I did many years ago. By publishing the list he adapted to the type of his "business partner" and hit the bully between the eyes - the only way to gain respect from the bully.
And Blend? Well, Blend should change their name to BEND IMAGES, because that must be their new nickname at Getty. Just like my former boss "tested" me, Getty "tested" Blend and Blend failed the „test“. Probably Getty categorizes their business partners into groups, like I do with mine. Sean would fall there into the category of „clever and tough players“. And Blend? I guess that could be the category of „not-so-clever wussies“. They gave up territory and received peanuts in return. I can imagine a dialogue at Getty: „Hey, these guys at BEND think they strengthened their position when we made them donate a few dozen images“, „Yeah, they should be made to donate like 50 thousand images so that they think they are the emperors of the f*****g stock universe“.

I repeat Jonathan, the only person who „strengthened their position“ is Sean.
Of course I sympathize with him because he was scammed and his sales my suffer as even more buyers leave iStock. But if you are talking about "positions" he is the winner.

one of the best posts i've ever read in a forum.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: fotografer on January 25, 2013, 14:51

one of the best posts i've ever read in a forum.
Totally agree
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: guenterguni on January 25, 2013, 14:55

one of the best posts i've ever read in a forum.
Totally agree

Yes, a great post and I also have to say that I fully agree to this statement.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 25, 2013, 15:08
This was also to strengthen Blends position and relations with the largest distributor of imagery in the world, and that it did. In the end of the day you have to ask yourself " am I happy with what my agency is doing for me and if not is there someone else that could do better ".

I am surprised that such an intelligent person as you Jonathan could write such a nonsense post......



Agree 100%
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jjneff on January 25, 2013, 15:26
Awesome post! Thank you.  I say it's now or never for us to take a stand
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 25, 2013, 16:10
Feb 2nd projected total is now 43,468+ deactivated or deleted files.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: stockastic on January 25, 2013, 16:11
I wouldn't call Mr. Ross's post 'nonsense' but I think it shows a desire to minimize, in one's thinking,  the destructiveness of what IS is doing - and a hope that this will all just blow over and things will get back to normal.  I think that's unrealistic. 

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 25, 2013, 16:13
Feb 2nd projected total is now 43,468+ deactivated or deleted files.

The projection includes totals from the MSG and iStock threads as well as a total from one iStock site mail.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 25, 2013, 16:15
Feb 2nd projected total is now 43,468+ deactivated or deleted files.

The projection includes totals from the MSG and iStock threads as well as a total from one iStock site mail.

Denis, when all is said and done, I think you should get some sort of award or special badge for keeping the tally updated.  Thank you, thank you for doing that!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Poncke on January 25, 2013, 16:19
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Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 25, 2013, 16:32
How can you think that giving awat 67 images to a pool of over 12.000 images gives you a strengthened position with the biggest company in stock. Its like a grocer with a stand on a corner on the street supplying a crate of oranges to Kroger and thinking he is now in a partnership with them.
His company was given the choice of participating, and the chance to nominate some old low sellers. He said himself he wouldn't have been pleased if good sellers have been used.
Most people were not given the choice of participating, nor what files were taken, and that's a totally different scenario.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on January 25, 2013, 16:37
I wouldn't call Mr. Ross's post 'nonsense' but I think it shows a desire to minimize, in one's thinking,  the destructiveness of what IS is doing =, and a hope that this will all just blow over and things will get back to normal.  I think that's unrealistic.


I think Jonathan Ross' approach a "go along to get along" approach, but I gave Snufkin's post a heart because I think his analysis is sound. If you placate a bully or give in to blackmail you've just set the tone for how the next exchange is going to go - and they'll be back for more. Not if, but when.

I will also forever think of Blend Images with its new and improved name :)

If you have bills to pay and you're stuck, then appeasing the bully may be the right move for you for now. But you need to be clear that you're appeasing a bully, not delude yourself into thinking you're strengthening a relationship. Those who need to stay exclusive awhile longer may be under no illusions - I hope they're under no illusions - as to what sort of entity they're beholden to. Having their exit plan in place - or using the next year to make an exit plan - would be a wise move for all of them, IMO, no matter how much money they're making now.

The only emotional component of this decision for me is that for the moment I'm staying at iStock because I hate to leave the site I started with - sort of the reverse of the nonsense spouted by the OP in this thread. (http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=350913) And if I do leave completely, I'll take the risk and wait for February 2nd because I've always been a fan of doing what I can - even if others poo-pooh it as insignificant or pointless. Even if Getty doesn't give a rat's ass, I'll know that I did what I could about an unconscionable situation.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Equus on January 25, 2013, 16:37
How can you think that giving awat 67 images to a pool of over 12.000 images gives you a strengthened position with the biggest company in stock. Its like a grocer with a stand on a corner on the street supplying a crate of oranges to Kroger and thinking he is now in a partnership with them.
His company was given the choice of participating, and the chance to nominate some old low sellers. He said himself he wouldn't have been pleased if good sellers have been used.
Most people were not given the choice of participating, nor what files were taken, and that's a totally different scenario.

Plus, for IS contributors, it was a secret deal. They weren't even told afterwards.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: fritz on January 25, 2013, 16:37
I just said something that Lobo did't like and the result is:
 
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Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Poncke on January 25, 2013, 16:38
How can you think that giving awat 67 images to a pool of over 12.000 images gives you a strengthened position with the biggest company in stock. Its like a grocer with a stand on a corner on the street supplying a crate of oranges to Kroger and thinking he is now in a partnership with them.
His company was given the choice of participating, and the chance to nominate some old low sellers. He said himself he wouldn't have been pleased if good sellers have been used.
Most people were not given the choice of participating, nor what files were taken, and that's a totally different scenario.
Yes, I know, but I was painting the image of how ridiculous it sounds.  :D
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Poncke on January 25, 2013, 16:40
Feb 2nd projected total is now 43,468+ deactivated or deleted files.

The projection includes totals from the MSG and iStock threads as well as a total from one iStock site mail.

Denis, when all is said and done, I think you should get some sort of award or special badge for keeping the tally updated.  Thank you, thank you for doing that!
Yeah, I keep wondering how he finds all these numbers all over the place ! ;D
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 25, 2013, 16:51
I just said something that Lobo did't like and the result is:
 
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Good grief. Have a nice break.


Cheers,


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Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on January 25, 2013, 16:59
I just said something that Lobo did't like and the result is:
 
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Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Microstock Posts on January 25, 2013, 17:11
Awesome post! Thank you.  I say it's now or never for us to take a stand
+1

Great post Snufkin. Exactly right.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sdeva on January 25, 2013, 17:56
I just said something that Lobo did't like and the result is:
 
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Good grief. Have a nice break.


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I guess we'll know we've reached a tipping point when more of us are in the community of the banned than are allowed to post :)


By muzzling people they are only encouraging voices to be louder in other/ external forums.  Dont feel good about being associated with this kind of company.  Maybe Feb 02 is making MORE of a statement than one first thought!  :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jonathan Ross on January 25, 2013, 17:57
Thanks Snufkin,

 I find your post a bit disrespectful. I am here trying to help I do not have to make excuses for my agency or for Blend they are allowed to conduct business the way they and I see fit. I am here trying to help share some information on what I know is taking place with our agency and Getty Images to hopefully add some insight for all photographers.
 If you are mad at Getty then please direct your frustration at them if you don't agree with what I said a simple " I do not agree " works better than calling a post someone spent the time to offer up as "nonsense" or making up silly names about our agency " Bend " when I am trying to share info.
 Posting this information does not benefit me or my agencies in any way it is shared to try to help, I thought we were trying to help each other out here with information on the topic?

Jonathan
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: JPSDK on January 25, 2013, 18:09
Jonathan Ross
You have distributed images of which you did not have the copyright, to be given away for free.
It doesnt matter if those pictures were in top or in the bottom of a pile.

No excuses count, you did not have the right to do so without asking the copyright holder first.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: pixel86 on January 25, 2013, 18:12
Thanks Snufkin,

 I find your post a bit disrespectful. I am here trying to help I do not have to make excuses for my agency or for Blend they are allowed to conduct business the way they and I see fit. I am here trying to help share some information on what I know is taking place with our agency and Getty Images to hopefully add some insight for all photographers.
 If you are mad at Getty then please direct your frustration at them if you don't agree with what I said a simple " I do not agree " works better than calling a post someone spent the time to offer up as "nonsense" or making up silly names about our agency " Bend " when I am trying to share info.
 Posting this information does not benefit me or my agencies in any way it is shared to try to help, I thought we were trying to help each other out here with information on the topic?

Jonathan

I think people ARE frustrated because not every contributor gets treated with the same respect as was shown to Blend Images. For most contributors, this Google/Getty deal is bad news. It will destroy the earning potential for those who did NOT have the opportunity, as Blend did, to have a say in which/any images went. They were just disrespectfully TAKEN without permission. Maybe you see this deal as a good thing, but bear in mind, for the majority, it is not. You bet people are disrespectful...they are only returning the favor shown by Getty. And since you think it's a good deal, of course you are in the line of fire.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 25, 2013, 18:16
The only emotional component of this decision for me is that for the moment I'm staying at iStock because I hate to leave the site I started with - sort of the reverse of the nonsense spouted by the OP in this thread. ([url]http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=350913[/url])


Wow.  That thread is truly unbelievable.  I honestly cannot fathom why there would be any exclusives left who still think that Getty has any intention of protecting their interests.  What does Getty have to do for these people to realize something's happening...literally F&*_k them, rather than just figuratively?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 25, 2013, 18:21
The only emotional component of this decision for me is that for the moment I'm staying at iStock because I hate to leave the site I started with - sort of the reverse of the nonsense spouted by the OP in this thread. ([url]http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=350913[/url])


Wow.  That thread is truly unbelievable.  I honestly cannot fathom why there would be any exclusives left who still think that Getty has any intention of protecting their interests.  What does Getty have to do for these people to realize something's happening...literally F&*_k them, rather than just figuratively?

Yeah, but look who wrote the OP.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jfairone on January 25, 2013, 18:25
...
Besides deactivation isnt strong enough, it can be reactivated. Deletion would be much worse but ofcourse they are not prepared to go down that road. Wonder why?
Me?  Im uploading as if nothing is happening.

You keep harping on this delete thing.  The reason nobody is saying they are deleting their images is because iStock doesn't have a delete option.  There is only a deactivate option.

Well Tyler I like harping :D but at IS, if you want to reactivate, they all have to pass new QC  ( new rules I think) and many older files wont make it.

I've read it that files over 18 months old must be reinspected, but I don't think we've had any official confirmation of that.
So it could well be that for many older files, deactivation would be an effective deletion.

I did a test and tried to reactivate a 14 month old file. It's locked. Might need to try something newer and determine what the cutoff is, but it is NOT 18 months. I've deactivated some of my best selling older files (daily sellers). I hope I don't regret it because it's a done deal!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: flotsom on January 25, 2013, 18:26
I just said something that Lobo did't like and the result is:
 
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Good grief. Have a nice break.


Cheers,
The club's getting bigger by the minute I think, did you get a sarcastic email from him too?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: JPSDK on January 25, 2013, 18:27
There is a lot of delution on istock.
its like: "Thank you for letting us sell at 15%"
"We appreaciate that you tell us."
"Thank you for moderating me so Im not insulting anyone"

It is such a sick environment.
And all that because it actually earned us some cheap money.
That makes us still listen and wag tails.

it is sick and Im tired of it, and when this month with deactivations has passed Ill be so relieved.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 25, 2013, 18:34
Wow.  That thread is truly unbelievable.  I honestly cannot fathom why there would be any exclusives left who still think that Getty has any intention of protecting their interests.  What does Getty have to do for these people to realize something's happening...literally F&*_k them, rather than just figuratively?
Yeah, but look who wrote the OP.

Oh yeah, exactly.  But I knew that guy was a lackey for Getty.  What surprises me is some of the others that are agreeing. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 25, 2013, 18:36
I did a test and tried to reactivate a 14 month old file. It's locked. Might need to try something newer and determine what the cutoff is, but it is NOT 18 months. I've deactivated some of my best selling older files (daily sellers). I hope I don't regret it because it's a done deal!

JMO, but I don't plan on reactivating anything I delete.  If you don't want a file deleted, you might think twice about deactivating it.  It seems Lobo has already made clear that people deactivating as part of D-Day may not have an easy time reactivating the files. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 25, 2013, 18:41
I didn't know it was possible for 'us' to reactivate an image. I thought we had to contact CR.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jonathan Ross on January 25, 2013, 18:48
Hi CC,

 Thanks for the feedback my biggest issue here is the Trolling. If you don't have to share who you are then you can say or make up stories about your work all day long and non of us are the wiser, it could all be B.S. for all we know. Someone else posted here that one of their images was taken from Blend without their approval I offered to help and try and solve the issue but this person was also a Troll and did not reply. I cannot take their word they are telling the truth because once again they are hiding off line.
 I agree CC this deal is a concern for people in the Micro market I have completely agreed with that position in my earlier postings. It is a bad deal if your number 1 images are being put into this collection without your notice. Many Micro sales are for " in house use " if the buyer doesn't have to buy your images from Istock for in house use then you are definitly losing money.
 I have never said this was good for Micro but please understand the dealings with image placement, acceptance rates, options for future development are all part of doing business with Getty for Blend and soon for Spaces as well. If Blend gave up 62 images and by doing so moved their position up the ranks on the pages at Getty then it is a big win for Blend and their photographers as we will see much higher returns with better image placement. 
 This is just a scenario but to say that negotiating with the biggest reseller to gain more ground for Blend is a bad move then I am sorry you have not played this game from the other side of the net. I feel your pain please everyone realize this that is why I have been looking into it and posting what I can find out just trying to help with the information I can share but some people still like to shoot the messenger :)

Cheers,
Jonathan
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: pixel86 on January 25, 2013, 18:56
Wow.  That thread is truly unbelievable.  I honestly cannot fathom why there would be any exclusives left who still think that Getty has any intention of protecting their interests.  What does Getty have to do for these people to realize something's happening...literally F&*_k them, rather than just figuratively?
Yeah, but look who wrote the OP.

Oh yeah, exactly.  But I knew that guy was a lackey for Getty.  What surprises me is some of the others that are agreeing.


It cracks me up at the number of people who keep saying these decisions are all based on emotions, as though none of you (us) can possibly make rational business decisions and we're all just a bunch of nancy girls crying hysterically and running around like the sky is falling. Personally, I think those people are the ones who are most nervous or have the most to lose. Or maybe to admit there is really a problem means they will have to admit they themselves have been blind all this time.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: JPSDK on January 25, 2013, 18:59
Hi CC,

 Thanks for the feedback my biggest issue here is the Trolling. If you don't have to share who you are then you can say or make up stories about your work all day long and non of us are the wiser, it could all be B.S. for all we know. Someone else posted here that one of their images was taken from Blend without their approval I offered to help and try and solve the issue but this person was also a Troll and did not reply. I cannot take their word they are telling the truth because once again they are hiding off line.
 I agree CC this deal is a concern for people in the Micro market I have completely agreed with that position in my earlier postings. It is a bad deal if your number 1 images are being put into this collection without your notice. Many Micro sales are for " in house use " if the buyer doesn't have to buy your images from Istock for in house use then you are definitly losing money.
 I have never said this was good for Micro but please understand the dealings with image placement, acceptance rates, options for future development are all part of doing business with Getty for Blend and soon for Spaces as well. If Blend gave up 62 images and by doing so moved their position up the ranks on the pages at Getty then it is a big win for Blend and their photographers as we will see much higher returns with better image placement. 
 This is just a scenario but to say that negotiating with the biggest reseller to gain more ground for Blend is a bad move then I am sorry you have not played this game from the other side of the net. I feel your pain please everyone realize this that is why I have been looking into it and posting what I can find out just trying to help with the information I can share but some people still like to shoot the messenger :)

Cheers,
Jonathan
I do not care if its good for Blend or not. You are not allowed to redistribute peoples pictures without asking them.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jonathan Ross on January 25, 2013, 19:00
Hi JPSDK,

 This is the last one for me because this is turning into just repeating what has already been gone over. We did not take images from image providers at Blend that were not aware of the issue, we did not handle it like Istock did we gave them a measly 62 images on a one time deal. I cannot share what our plans are with Getty that is confidential but we did not just take images from our photographers and add them to this group of 62 without some form of reciprocation that's business. Please do not confuse the Istock deal with what happened elsewhere without some form of information to support your statement. If you had an image taken from the Blend site without your knowledge please contact me so we can make it right for you.

Thanks,
Jonathan
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Snufkin on January 25, 2013, 19:01
Thanks Snufkin,

 I find your post a bit disrespectful. I am here trying to help I do not have to make excuses for my agency or for Blend they are allowed to conduct business the way they and I see fit. I am here trying to help share some information on what I know is taking place with our agency and Getty Images to hopefully add some insight for all photographers.
 If you are mad at Getty then please direct your frustration at them if you don't agree with what I said a simple " I do not agree " works better than calling a post someone spent the time to offer up as "nonsense" or making up silly names about our agency " Bend " when I am trying to share info.
 Posting this information does not benefit me or my agencies in any way it is shared to try to help, I thought we were trying to help each other out here with information on the topic?

Jonathan

Hello Jonathan,

I didn’t mean to be disrespectful in any way. As I said I think you are a very intelligent person and as a photographer you are obviously a true master in your niche.
I also appreciate that you take your time to share your knowledge and experience with us.
However, participation in open Internet forums means that some of the statements you make may be criticized. I explained why I thought that your statement about strengthening your position was flawed.

Was the language a bit harsh? I mean c’mon, hundreds of photographers have been simply scammed, you cannot expect the same kind of  conversation as in an English gentlemen’s club at tea.
Although personally I was not affected by this, I think this deal is horrible news for all photographers and if this is allowed to continue it could be a disaster for all of us including you.
It seems to me that you are a very agreeable person who wants to get along with everybody so it must be really great to have you as a colleague. However, I think it is a great pity and very shortsighted that you chose to accept this very bad deal.

Cheers
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cobalt on January 25, 2013, 19:01
Jonathan,

we all appreciate you coming in here and that you share so many of your insights.

The way you describe it sounds liek a really good deal for Blend, I agree.

The sad thing is, that many istock contributors would have been happy to offer "free files" to getty for projects, as long as we have the choice which files we offer. I currently have the "free video of the month" - and I am thrilled!! But I suggested the file and so I could decide what I think will work for me and also work for the customers who want to download it.

I sincerly hope that getty/istock learn from the public drama they created and come with a clear opt out or "opt in " for promotional deals. because even with a 6 dollar license fee - it is just a promotional deal.

The current crisis also highlights the dangers of full artist exclusivity, especially becuase so many istockers do stock as a full time job.

You keep saying you prefer exclusive images - I think it would be the best solution. Getty offers an image exclusive contract - I hope istock will do the same. At this point in the game, istock doesn´t need us to send them every single file we produce. They just want the best ones. they could even become more picky if they wanted to.

We could then send high volume generic files to the volume agencies and the more specialized, lifestyle content (low sales volume but high price worthy) to istock and getty.

A crisis is always a fantastic opportunity!

We need a new direction.

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 25, 2013, 19:14
If Blend gave up 62 images and by doing so moved their position up the ranks on the pages at Getty then it is a big win for Blend and their photographers as we will see much higher returns with better image placement. 
So, was it carrot or stick?
Bribery or blackmail?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jonathan Ross on January 25, 2013, 19:18
Thanks for the reply Snufkin,

 I have no issue with you disagreeing but I do believe in being a gentleman with people that are sharing information, just common courtesy. It seems most of the people that post in this manor here are also hiding their information. I have been here helping with what information I can without calling people names and have been open with my profile from the beginning. I know a lot of you say " if I share my info then the agencies are going to get mad at me and delete my stuff ".
 I believe that if you share your opinion with others in a positive orderly manor then you will not have any issue with reasonable agencies. I have shared things one on one with the top folks at Getty that they didn't necessarily want to hear but we were able to have a reasonable conversation because there was no name calling and my images have never been deleted at Getty because of our interaction.
 It just lowers you to a level that changes your credibility. Just my 2 cents but those that hide themselves and their identity that make up names and call peoples information nonsense just don't carry any weight with their comments and they certainly do not help us all figure out what is best to resolve the situation.
 I would be happy to share with you anything I can about any inside information but when it is received with name calling then it is no longer a gentleman's conversation. One more thing I think most will agree on ( outside of MSG ) if you are going to make such statements then back them up by sharing who you are, or else what you say holds little water.

Best,
Jonathan
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jonathan Ross on January 25, 2013, 19:19
It was business ShadySue.

Jonathan
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on January 25, 2013, 19:19
Thanks Snufkin,

 I find your post a bit disrespectful. I am here trying to help I do not have to make excuses for my agency or for Blend they are allowed to conduct business the way they and I see fit. I am here trying to help share some information on what I know is taking place with our agency and Getty Images to hopefully add some insight for all photographers.
 If you are mad at Getty then please direct your frustration at them if you don't agree with what I said a simple " I do not agree " works better than calling a post someone spent the time to offer up as "nonsense" or making up silly names about our agency " Bend " when I am trying to share info.
 Posting this information does not benefit me or my agencies in any way it is shared to try to help, I thought we were trying to help each other out here with information on the topic?

Jonathan
Personally, I like to see you posting here and it's great to know a bit about this deal from another perspective.  I also respect your decisions, even though it's not always what I want to hear.  It would be great if we could all just leave Getty/istock but that's not going to happen.  So we all have to make the decisions that are best for us.  It's a shame you're going to get a lot of flack here but that's also inevitable.  Hopefully you can ignore it and keeping giving us some information that I'm sure many of us are very grateful for.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jonathan Ross on January 25, 2013, 19:22
Hi Cobalt,

 I agree with you especially on the image exclusive issue, it keeps the agencies honest and does not allow photographers to be put into this very situation.

Cheers,
Jonathan
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jonathan Ross on January 25, 2013, 19:28
Hi Sharpshoot,

 Actually it was posting at MSG that opened my eyes to forums that do not make their posters share their information. It has helped me to try and reply in an orderly manor when in the beginning I was just blown away and took these rude posts very personally as I had never experienced such behavior before on a site where we are all trying to achieve the same goal. If the name calling really bugged me I would have been out of here ages ago on the contrary it has helped to deal with all kinds  ;D

Cheers,
Jonathan
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Poncke on January 25, 2013, 19:36
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Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Dirima on January 25, 2013, 19:42
I have been following all this from the begining. Because english its not my native language, its sometimes dificult for me to understand everything. But i read all with great interest.
If you allow me, i would like to copy and paste here what i wrote in istock about my point of view. I wish my level of english would be better to take part more deeply in the conversation. This is what i think:

From the very first time i knew about all this, i deactivated my portfolio. I had only 539 images, but this was the product of much work during months working hard and with enthusiasm.. I had no doubts, for me the reason its absolutly clear. I explain why;

maybe Getty, Google, and any other company has discovered that the future is attracting users to their services giving to them free images. Its logical..People love free things.

Images, vectors, books, 3d models, maybe movies in the future...everything free for getting users for, indeed, free services. What nice, what utopic. But nothing is free in the life. We all know this. The users of those services become products their self. Its a kind of circle. And at the end only the big corporations earn money. Big amounts of money using another people work. I dont know if my level of english is enough for make me understand.

I love photography, its a passion for me, but its my job too and i do this as a bussines. Emotions apart, for me it is clear that the deal between google and getty only benefits to them. They do big business with our effort, thats easy. Are we going to allow them to drive this business into that? , who, in their right mind, would give away their images for others who will make money with them? I think this its the problem of this "new form" of business. They need the images...bait to attract the public. Am i, or any of us supossed to be so unconcern about our work to give them it?


No emotions here..only think. Last answer is from us.


I deactivated my files for protecting my work and my way of life. I would like to see a solution to the problem and reactivate my files again. Hope all this count for something in the future. For the moment this agency is quarantined for me.


 


greetings to all, from Spain.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: noodle on January 25, 2013, 19:51
I have been following all this from the begining. Because english its not my native language, its sometimes dificult for me to understand everything. But i read all with great interest.
If you allow me, i would like to copy and paste here what i wrote in istock about my point of view. I wish my level of english would be better to take part more deeply in the conversation. This is what i think:

From the very first time i knew about all this, i deactivated my portfolio. I had only 539 images, but this was the product of much work during months working hard and with enthusiasm.. I had no doubts, for me the reason its absolutly clear. I explain why;

maybe Getty, Google, and any other company has discovered that the future is attracting users to their services giving to them free images. Its logical..People love free things.

Images, vectors, books, 3d models, maybe movies in the future...everything free for getting users for, indeed, free services. What nice, what utopic. But nothing is free in the life. We all know this. The users of those services become products their self. Its a kind of circle. And at the end only the big corporations earn money. Big amounts of money using another people work. I dont know if my level of english is enough for make me understand.

I love photography, its a passion for me, but its my job too and i do this as a bussines. Emotions apart, for me it is clear that the deal between google and getty only benefits to them. They do big business with our effort, thats easy. Are we going to allow them to drive this business into that? , who, in their right mind, would give away their images for others who will make money with them? I think this its the problem of this "new form" of business. They need the images...bait to attract the public. Am i, of any of us supossed to be so unconcern about our work to give them it?


No emotions here..only think. Last answer is from us.


I deactivated my files for protecting my work and my way of life. I would like to see a solution to the problem and reactivate my files again. Hope all this count for something in the future. For the moment this agency its in is quarantined for me.


 


greetings to all, from Spain.

I think you have made your point here very clearly my friend, and your reason for deactivating your files is getting to the heart and soul of this matter with G/GI.

I applaud you, and those who have/will join you.

Bravo
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Mantis on January 25, 2013, 19:52
Perhaps LOBO simply enjoys swinging his hammer. ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 25, 2013, 22:47
Thanks for the reply Snufkin,

 I have no issue with you disagreeing but I do believe in being a gentleman with people that are sharing information, just common courtesy. It seems most of the people that post in this manor here are also hiding their information. I have been here helping with what information I can without calling people names and have been open with my profile from the beginning. I know a lot of you say " if I share my info then the agencies are going to get mad at me and delete my stuff ".
 I believe that if you share your opinion with others in a positive orderly manor then you will not have any issue with reasonable agencies. I have shared things one on one with the top folks at Getty that they didn't necessarily want to hear but we were able to have a reasonable conversation because there was no name calling and my images have never been deleted at Getty because of our interaction.
 It just lowers you to a level that changes your credibility. Just my 2 cents but those that hide themselves and their identity that make up names and call peoples information nonsense just don't carry any weight with their comments and they certainly do not help us all figure out what is best to resolve the situation.
 I would be happy to share with you anything I can about any inside information but when it is received with name calling then it is no longer a gentleman's conversation. One more thing I think most will agree on ( outside of MSG ) if you are going to make such statements then back them up by sharing who you are, or else what you say holds little water.

Best,
Jonathan

Jonathan, while I can certainly agree that you make some excellent points and have presented them like a gentleman, I think it is out of line to call people out simply for being anonymous.   You haven't been around much the last couple of years here, but the issue of people's reasons for anonymity have been exhaustively explored, and there are very legitimate reasons for people to want to protect their identities from some vindictive agencies. 

Personally, I found Snufkin's post very useful and informative.  Evidently 32 other people agreed.  AFAIK that must be some sort of record for +1's.   :)

I also find your perspective helpful and informative.  Nice to have both positions expressed so eloquently.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 25, 2013, 23:13
Feb 2nd projected total is now 44,016+ deactivated or deleted files.


Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: klsbear on January 26, 2013, 00:28

(snip) Someone else posted here that one of their images was taken from Blend without their approval I offered to help and try and solve the issue but this person was also a Troll and did not reply. I cannot take their word they are telling the truth because once again they are hiding off line.

(snip) If Blend gave up 62 images and by doing so moved their position up the ranks on the pages at Getty then it is a big win for Blend and their photographers as we will see much higher returns with better image placement. 

Jonathan - I appreciate your efforts to share your POV and information.  On the other hand it seems a bit hypocritical to object to one forum member giving Blend a new (derogatory) name and then turn around and label another forum member a Troll just because they didnt respond or take you up on your offer.  It sure doesn't help advance the discussion and if it was me and I'd been away for a few days I'd sure be hesitant to approach now after being labeled a Troll.

I also can't help but wonder if Sean and other that got shafted by iS by having what they consider premium images, not bottom feeders, added to the Google deal will also benefit from better image placement (not that their best match algorithim would even be capable of that if it was intended). 

As noted above, the information on the Blend POV is appreciated but unfortunately it's salt in the wound for many to hear of preferential treatment and cutting better deals and it's likely to lead to some frustration in responses.  I just hope they won't get so intense they chase you away.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Anyka on January 26, 2013, 02:56
I have a practical question for February 2nd :

I am not planning to reactivate anything afterwards, not even if Getty would give in and create an opt-out, but the few images I already deactivated (14th Jan) are still on Thinkstock.

I heard different experiences on that topic :  some say it takes 30 days, others (Jsnover) have the luck to see them disappear immediately, and still others talk about cases where they stay on TS "forever" and you need to contact support to have them removed.

Now suppose I am in group 3 and after 30 days, I still see my deactivated stuff on Thinkstock.  How should I inform support?  I don't mean which e-mail address to use, but what info do they need?  Should I just say "please delete all deactivated images from TS", or do they need every Istock number, or even worse : will they be asking for the TS numbers?

As I plan to deactivate 500 (or more) (already mentioned in a previous post, so don't add this up in the total amount), I would prefer to know if I should make a list.  Sean's script is absolutely great, but it does not send reports with TS numbers afterwards  ;D

Did any of you contact Support to have TS images deleted (after deactivation), and if yes, what was their reaction?  Did they ask for file numbers, and if yes, did they need the IS file numbers or the TS numbers?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: HughStoneIan on January 26, 2013, 03:01
I have a practical question for February 2nd :

I am not planning to reactivate anything afterwards, not even if Getty would give in and create an opt-out, but the few images I already deactivated (14th Jan) are still on Thinkstock.

I heard different experiences on that topic :  some say it takes 30 days, others (Jsnover) have the luck to see them disappear immediately, and still others talk about cases where they stay on TS "forever" and you need to contact support to have them removed.

Now suppose I am in group 3 and after 30 days, I still see my deactivated stuff on Thinkstock.  How should I inform support?  I don't mean which e-mail address to use, but what info do they need?  Should I just say "please delete all deactivated images from TS", or do they need every Istock number, or even worse : will they be asking for the TS numbers?

As I plan to deactivate 500 (or more) (already mentioned in a previous post, so don't add this up in the total amount), I would prefer to know if I should make a list.  Sean's script is absolutely great, but it does not send reports with TS numbers afterwards  ;D

Did any of you contact Support to have TS images deleted (after deactivation), and if yes, what was their reaction?  Did they ask for file numbers, and if yes, did they need the IS file numbers or the TS numbers?

I contacted Contributor Relations through the IS website about a week ago, gave them a list of the file numbers of my deactivated files, and asked if they would please delete those files from the IS partner-program. The files were deleted in less than a week, and I received a reply from IS confirming so.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Anyka on January 26, 2013, 03:06
Great!  I was afraid I had to look up all the Thinkstock numbers!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: borg on January 26, 2013, 05:48
Is there any reaction or comments from iStock side?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: allyclark on January 26, 2013, 06:26
Thanks Snufkin,

 I find your post a bit disrespectful. I am here trying to help I do not have to make excuses for my agency or for Blend they are allowed to conduct business the way they and I see fit. I am here trying to help share some information on what I know is taking place with our agency and Getty Images to hopefully add some insight for all photographers.
 If you are mad at Getty then please direct your frustration at them if you don't agree with what I said a simple " I do not agree " works better than calling a post someone spent the time to offer up as "nonsense" or making up silly names about our agency " Bend " when I am trying to share info.
 Posting this information does not benefit me or my agencies in any way it is shared to try to help, I thought we were trying to help each other out here with information on the topic?

Jonathan

yeah right. the deal was good for you = you dont want to p*** off istock = insipid post.  this one would be just as bad, but it adds a bit of passive aggressiveness in trying to take the moral high ground - everyone has the right to reply, just as you exercised the right to speak out. i can see why your in bed with istock - bullies tend to find strength in numbers.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Microbius on January 26, 2013, 06:30
I'm a bit confused about some of the stuff posted on the IStock forum threads.

Will the protest and deactivations on Feb 2nd:

1. Have absolutely no effect on IStock?
2. Place a massive burden on the admin and running of the site?

The same people seem to be arguing both things.

And just a side note for Jonathan, professional photographers don't usually like having their agency call their images "bottom feeders" even if they are not their best sellers. Just while we're on the topic of politeness.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 26, 2013, 06:36
I also can't help but wonder if Sean and other that got shafted by iS by having what they consider premium images, not bottom feeders, added to the Google deal will also benefit from better image placement (not that their best match algorithim would even be capable of that if it was intended). 
I wondered the same, but it seems unlikely.
Getty clearly approached Blend and made a deal: give us 12 pics and we'll raise visibility for all of your images in our search. Blend gave them some old files, currently not selling very well. Many of us would probably have done the same, given the choice. There was a bit of give and take, and the option was apparently given, though with a bit of armtwisting.

However Sean et al had their files pressganged into the scam 'program'. Getty didn't even bother to sweeten the 'deal' for them, so I guess they're not going to give them a 'secret' reward.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: picture5469 on January 26, 2013, 06:41
Just seen this from Lobo:

Quote
I honestly hope more people take this attitude. It could get difficult for the folks ramping up to deactivate files to take a stand only to change their minds and request reactivations. We've already seen contacts from people who have deactivated a chunk of their portfolio who want reactivations. We've closed an account too. One whole account.


I'm glad that IS have noticed our efforts, now that they are aware you would think they would act to resolve the problem. It does prove though that we are having an effect!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 26, 2013, 06:53
Just seen this from Lobo:

Quote
I honestly hope more people take this attitude. It could get difficult for the folks ramping up to deactivate files to take a stand only to change their minds and request reactivations. We've already seen contacts from people who have deactivated a chunk of their portfolio who want reactivations. We've closed an account too. One whole account.


I'm glad that IS have noticed our efforts, now that they are aware you would think they would act to resolve the problem. It does prove though that we are having an effect!

I guess it's difficult to go back on the deal they brokered with Google. Even if somehow a loophole was found making the deal invalid/illegal, the files are already out there for eternity.
All they can do now is stop it from going on and adequately compensate those whose images were taken without permission. I have no idea what proportion of the thousands of images were taken with permission (e.g. Blend) [or indeed whether they were offered more than the $12 that others got] and which were simply appropriated.
I'm also interested to know how much Getty made 'over and above' the price per image just for brokering the deal.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Beach Bum on January 26, 2013, 08:00
.....I see so many different reasons on this post for why people are pulling their images from Istock but the one I see the most is " they aren't making me the money I used to " That unfortunately is what happens when there are more photographers then their are buyers, it is sad but true......

Hi Jonathan, I have to reply to this part of your post, because that is most certainly NOT the main concern for most independent contributors to IStock with the current Google fiasco, and I'd hate for you to come away with that idea.

Even with IStock's declining market share, they are still among the top earning micro sites for most people that contribute there, all things being equal no one is going to stop contributing to them because of the fall in income.

The issues are to do with their treatment of their contributors. Most especially in the case of the Google deal, their willingness to wipe out the value of their contributor's work, thus jeopardizing their income across all sites. The nature of the deal clearly goes outside of the reasonable expectations of anyone agreeing to their terms, and shows at least a disregard for our work and I would also say contempt for us.

These are the issues, I am not sure where you came away with the idea that this is was simply griping about an income drop, I for one am continuing to see an increase in income across all the major sites including IStock (though their percentage of my total is sliding), and am nonetheless in the position where I need to consider dropping them to preserve my livelihood.

I don't know how anyone could read through these threads and infer that declining revenue from Istock is the main reason for the removal of images.  I, also, continue to make good money from Istock, as many of you do.  The thought of deleting images and losing that income because of my own actions sickens me.  But, what sickens me more is the much bigger loss of income that actions like these from Istock will cause.  It's kind of a "pick your poison" choice.  In this case, one poison will hurt you, but the other will kill you.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sdeva on January 26, 2013, 08:16
Tweet this morning..

https://twitter.com/sdeva/status/295157221350846464
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: pixel86 on January 26, 2013, 08:39
I don't know how anyone could read through these threads and infer that loss of income is the main reason for the removal of images.  I, also, continue to make good money from Istock, as many of you do.  The thought of deleting images and losing that income because of my own actions sickens me.  But, what sickens me more is the much bigger loss of income that actions like these from Istock will cause.  It's kind of a "pick your poison" choice.  In this case, one poison will hurt you, but the other will kill you.

I agree with you, and I think some contributors are under the mistaken impression that mass deactivations is going to change Getty's mind somehow. They are OK with losing some images and some contributors. It's called culling. The whole point of deactivating on Feb. 2 is to pull your images from an "agency" who disrespects you constantly, and is OK with giving YOUR property away. The fact that it is done on a massive scale, hopefully, will send a message to other "agencies" who think this is a good route to take.

I had the same choice to make as you did, along with many others, about a year ago, after many lies and disrespects already by Getty. You are right, either choice is not a GOOD choice, but really, for me, it has been the "one door closes and another one opens". I lost good money by leaving istock. But it wasn't too long before I made up the difference on the other sites I am on. And besides, I put in the work and invested the money in equipment to SELL those images, NOT give them away. It's not a question of whether you are going to lose money, because if you stay at istock you will, and if you go, you will. But the google deal ensures that that image will no longer make money ANYWHERE for you. That's the deal-breaker for me.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sdeva on January 26, 2013, 08:57
An offer from picWorkflow..

http://picworkflow.com/blog/news/taking-part-in-deactivation-day-picworkflow-can-help/ (http://picworkflow.com/blog/news/taking-part-in-deactivation-day-picworkflow-can-help/)


And a post that Italian speakers may find interesting...

http://www.microstock.it/d-day-deactivation-day-su-istockphoto/ (http://www.microstock.it/d-day-deactivation-day-su-istockphoto/)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: leaf on January 26, 2013, 09:12
I have a practical question for February 2nd :

I am not planning to reactivate anything afterwards, not even if Getty would give in and create an opt-out, but the few images I already deactivated (14th Jan) are still on Thinkstock.

I heard different experiences on that topic :  some say it takes 30 days, others (Jsnover) have the luck to see them disappear immediately, and still others talk about cases where they stay on TS "forever" and you need to contact support to have them removed.

Now suppose I am in group 3 and after 30 days, I still see my deactivated stuff on Thinkstock.  How should I inform support?  I don't mean which e-mail address to use, but what info do they need?  Should I just say "please delete all deactivated images from TS", or do they need every Istock number, or even worse : will they be asking for the TS numbers?

As I plan to deactivate 500 (or more) (already mentioned in a previous post, so don't add this up in the total amount), I would prefer to know if I should make a list.  Sean's script is absolutely great, but it does not send reports with TS numbers afterwards  ;D

Did any of you contact Support to have TS images deleted (after deactivation), and if yes, what was their reaction?  Did they ask for file numbers, and if yes, did they need the IS file numbers or the TS numbers?


I'm sure there are others with this same question.  Let's take the conversation over here so it doesn't get lost.
http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/removing-photo-from-thinkstock/ (http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/removing-photo-from-thinkstock/)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ClaridgeJ on January 26, 2013, 10:17
Hi CC,

 Thanks for the feedback my biggest issue here is the Trolling. If you don't have to share who you are then you can say or make up stories about your work all day long and non of us are the wiser, it could all be B.S. for all we know. Someone else posted here that one of their images was taken from Blend without their approval I offered to help and try and solve the issue but this person was also a Troll and did not reply. I cannot take their word they are telling the truth because once again they are hiding off line.
 I agree CC this deal is a concern for people in the Micro market I have completely agreed with that position in my earlier postings. It is a bad deal if your number 1 images are being put into this collection without your notice. Many Micro sales are for " in house use " if the buyer doesn't have to buy your images from Istock for in house use then you are definitly losing money.
 I have never said this was good for Micro but please understand the dealings with image placement, acceptance rates, options for future development are all part of doing business with Getty for Blend and soon for Spaces as well. If Blend gave up 62 images and by doing so moved their position up the ranks on the pages at Getty then it is a big win for Blend and their photographers as we will see much higher returns with better image placement. 
 This is just a scenario but to say that negotiating with the biggest reseller to gain more ground for Blend is a bad move then I am sorry you have not played this game from the other side of the net. I feel your pain please everyone realize this that is why I have been looking into it and posting what I can find out just trying to help with the information I can share but some people still like to shoot the messenger :)

Cheers,
Jonathan

Agree 100%. I agree with many others ( who doesnt post here anymore), unless they have the guts to reveal themselves, etc. They are not worth answering. Not that many are worth it anyway but to answer a nom de plume, whats the point?  youre only going to get some garbage reply.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 26, 2013, 10:27
Agree 100%. I agree with many others ( who doesnt post here anymore), unless they have the guts to reveal themselves, etc. They are not worth answering. Not that many are worth it anyway but to answer a nom de plume, whats the point?  youre only going to get some garbage reply.
Well done, that's my Good Laugh for the day.  ;D
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: rubyroo on January 26, 2013, 11:39
...and George Eliot, Currer, Acton and Ellis Bell laugh right along with you.  :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ClaridgeJ on January 26, 2013, 12:00
...and George Eliot, Currer, Acton and Ellis Bell laugh right along with you.  :)

But youre a Pseudo, arent you?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: rubyroo on January 26, 2013, 12:04
I don't know who I am any more.  ;)

I believe ShadySue was laughing at the fact that you are currently a pseudo, insulting pseudos.  Hence my comment that some other well-known pseudos would also be laughing at this point (particularly at the idea that everything they wrote was valueless).
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ClaridgeJ on January 26, 2013, 12:11
I don't know who I am any more.

I believe ShadySue was laughing at the fact that you are currently a pseudo, insulting pseudos.  Hence my comment that some other well-known pseudos would also be laughing at this point (as well as at the idea that everything they wrote was valueless).

No, no, no Im not a pseudo, everybody knows who I am ( lagereek) its no secret.  I mean I know who you REALLY are ( hush, hush) but Im talking about pseudos who never disclose themselves and yet have something like 10 posts in every single thread. Pretty hard to take them seriously isnt it.
Insulting to pseudos?  I dont hink so, heck if they cant take this, then what are they doing in a forum in the first place.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: rubyroo on January 26, 2013, 12:26
Yes yes, those of us who KNOW do know who you are, but it remains that the name ClaridgeJ is a pseudo.

I'm not insulted btw - I think all generalisations are nonsense and forums are so filled with them that a person would be rendered permanently into a state of trauma if they took them all to heart.

I think, as others have said previously, that you can get a feel for a person's views and the value of their thought process through their words.  It doesn't matter to me at all who they are.  Good sense is good sense and nonsense is nonsense, regardless of a person's perceived or invented status.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ClaridgeJ on January 26, 2013, 12:37
Yes yes, those of us who KNOW do know who you are, but it remains that the name ClaridgeJ is a pseudo.

I'm not insulted btw - I think all generalisations are nonsense and forums are so filled with them that a person would be rendered permanently into a state of trauma if they took them all to heart.

I think, as others have said previously, that you can get a feel for a person's views and the value of their thought process through their words.  It doesn't matter to me at all who they are.  Good sense is good sense and nonsense is nonsense, regardless of a person's perceived or invented status.

Yes I can agree with that. :)  I had no option but to change. Turned out that some private buyers of mine noticed the old member-name and that was no good. Gives a bad rep.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: rubyroo on January 26, 2013, 12:38
 Ah well... there's one of those perfectly valid reasons for a pseudo. :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jonathan Ross on January 26, 2013, 12:48
Hi Lisa,

 You are also welcome. Please do not assume things like some others do here it is pure speculation and I thought you were a bit above that. I stop by here regularly but there has not been anything that my input can help with lately. Also, how does the number of times I post have to do with anything, one post from a person that shares their identity for me out weighs 20 posts from someone we have no idea who they are or if they are even involved in stock. His post was informative to a pint but it didn't speak os business where he lost his cool and that that was a good way to communicate with his boss. Unfortunately he lowered himself to name calling in that post which did not add to his information it was just rude, those couple of comments did not inform or help anyone here on the site, they were just him poking the bear.
  If you believe having your business called names is appropriate then that is your choice, I think it is a bit childish I prefer to stick to facts when posting on a forum. I also got PM's from people here and at Facebook that wanted more information and I happily helped them all out with absolutely no personal gain. Once again trying to help out here and through PM's has appeared to be of little help and resulted in name calling. Heck, if people want I can sling crap as good as the next guy but I resolve myself to speak in a respectful manner to anyone that is a fellow stock photographer unless they show reason not to then I just avoid them in the future and do not reply to their PM's for help and guidance.

 Best of luck Lisa,
 Jonathan
 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Poncke on January 26, 2013, 12:58
....

 I had no option but to change. Turned out that some private buyers of mine noticed the old member-name and that was no good. Gives a bad rep.
You give yourself a bad rep.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jfairone on January 26, 2013, 13:08
I did a test and tried to reactivate a 14 month old file. It's locked. Might need to try something newer and determine what the cutoff is, but it is NOT 18 months. I've deactivated some of my best selling older files (daily sellers). I hope I don't regret it because it's a done deal!

JMO, but I don't plan on reactivating anything I delete.  If you don't want a file deleted, you might think twice about deactivating it.  It seems Lobo has already made clear that people deactivating as part of D-Day may not have an easy time reactivating the files.

Yes, like I said, it was just a test. I was curious what the cutoff was.  My best sellers I deactivated are over 3 years old, so I knew it was a done deal - doubt they'd pass inspection again either!   
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Snufkin on January 26, 2013, 13:25
1. The value of an argument does not depend on the identity of the poster. 2 + 2 equals 4, whether it is written by a 5-year old, a science professor or a complete moron. The whole discussion about anonymous/nonanonymous users is a waste of time, it is a logical fallacy. The identity of the poster may only change your personal, subjective perception but not the value of the argument.

2. There is a huge difference between calling rude names and the use of satire as a rhetorical device.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ClaridgeJ on January 26, 2013, 13:38
....

 I had no option but to change. Turned out that some private buyers of mine noticed the old member-name and that was no good. Gives a bad rep.
You give yourself a bad rep.

Do you really think I care about my rep HERE?  talking about pseudos. I know who you are and at this moment you are getting a very, very, very bad rep at Alamy, one of the countless arguments you have involved yourself in, yet again.

Oh well, the glib. :) :) :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: elvinstar on January 26, 2013, 13:59
This is a bit OT, but it found it funny that I made more on SS yesterday alone than I have all month on IS. I can't wait for the 2nd!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ClaridgeJ on January 26, 2013, 14:03
1. The value of an argument does not depend on the identity of the poster. 2 + 2 equals 4, whether it is written by a 5-year old, a science professor or a complete moron. The whole discussion about anonymous/nonanonymous users is a waste of time, it is a logical fallacy. The identity of the poster may only change your personal, subjective perception but not the value of the argument.

2. There is a huge difference between calling rude names and the use of satire as a rhetorical device.

Pretence and slander is much easier executed by a pseudonym. i.e. a nobody.   Oscar Wilde.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: JPSDK on January 26, 2013, 14:03
This is a bit OT, but it found it funny that I made more on SS yesterday alone than I have all month on IS. I can't wait for the 2nd!

That is good!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jonathan Ross on January 26, 2013, 14:49
 Hi all,

 I have obviously stepped a bit over the line here as some posts show so I will back off and let you all continue this topic. I will be reading but I will avoid posting on this topic as I have shared all I have to. Best of luck and I sympathize with all you Micro stockers I also have 3500 Micro images with 2100 at Istock so I am just as much a part of this issue as everyone here.

Cheers,,
Jonathan
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on January 26, 2013, 15:04
Slight tangent, but I wanted to point out that for those possibly having to delete everything (or all but a few to wait for this month's PP payout next month) February 2nd - D-Day - when you do your payout request this week, consider not clearing your balance to zero so you can be certain of being over the $100 threshold no matter how crappy sales are next week and in the January PP.

I normally pull out my entire balance each time, but this week left money so I can be certain of a cash-out if I end up leaving February 2nd. Even if I bail, I'm going to keep my account open (with an image or two) so I can keep my stats. That means, I think, that there's no chance of a payout under the limit (I think if you close your account they pay you?).
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 26, 2013, 20:52
Feb 2nd projected total is now 44,516+ deactivated or deleted files.

If I don`t see any significant increase in members coming forward to report their willingness to deactivate or delete files, this will be my last projection.  Denis
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 26, 2013, 20:54
Slight tangent, but I wanted to point out that for those possibly having to delete everything (or all but a few to wait for this month's PP payout next month) February 2nd - D-Day - when you do your payout request this week, consider not clearing your balance to zero so you can be certain of being over the $100 threshold no matter how crappy sales are next week and in the January PP.


Tangent my Aunt Fannie.  On the contrary, it's such a relief to see someone posting on topic after yet another pi$s_ing contest in here.   ::)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: allyclark on January 27, 2013, 10:32
Slight tangent, but I wanted to point out that for those possibly having to delete everything (or all but a few to wait for this month's PP payout next month) February 2nd - D-Day - when you do your payout request this week, consider not clearing your balance to zero so you can be certain of being over the $100 threshold no matter how crappy sales are next week and in the January PP.

I normally pull out my entire balance each time, but this week left money so I can be certain of a cash-out if I end up leaving February 2nd. Even if I bail, I'm going to keep my account open (with an image or two) so I can keep my stats. That means, I think, that there's no chance of a payout under the limit (I think if you close your account they pay you?).

Yes, if you close your account you will be paid even if the balance is below $100.  I had an interesting experience with my account closure.  After receiving notification that my account had been closed, i noticed the word 'CLOSED' had been appended to my username.  Out of interest I tried to access that account with the password associated with the original username for the account.  Hey presto!  Access.  It was now about 5 days after I had received confirmation that the account had been closed and yes, during that period, there had been a few more of my images sold.  I guessed this was something to do with the 30 day rule, so I contacted iStock and asked if any outstanding balance would be forwarded to me at the end of that period.  The next day I received around 4 emails each separately informing me that a  privilege had been revoked on my account.  Soon after, confirmation that the account was now closed and the balance was going to be forwarded. Sure enough, the account has now gone (unless its been transferred to completely different account name! :-) ) I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that it was a genuine mistake, but for anyone closing up, its worth monitoring.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: MichaelJayFoto on January 27, 2013, 12:40
Yes, if you close your account you will be paid even if the balance is below $100...

I was always wondering how that is going to work with PP payments that usually are following a month later. Say if you request closure of your account on Feb 2 and they get to your support ticket maybe on Feb 6, they will probably pay out the account balance as of Feb 6. But considering that it can take up to 30 days to get your images removed from the PP sites according to the ASA (and for technical reasons it might take even longer), you might pick up additional PP sales in February which won't be added to your account before March 20...

What's happening with that money? Did you get an additional payout weeks later?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: toots on January 27, 2013, 14:12
A thought I had, also someone else just brought it up on another forum is this:

What if a user/s of google drive downloads some of these "free images" of some Istock/Getty contributors and uploads them as their own to stock agencies. How in hell's name would those stock agencies have any idea that those images do not belong to the uploader, especially if whoever these images belong to don't upload to those particular agencies. This means anyone could start making money from your images  :o

It doesn't bear thinking about  ???
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Poncke on January 27, 2013, 14:17
A thought I had, also someone else just brought it up on another forum is this:

What if a user/s of google drive downloads some of these "free images" of some Istock/Getty contributors and uploads them as their own to stock agencies. How in hell's name would those stock agencies have any idea that those images do not belong to the uploader, especially if whoever these images belong to don't upload to those particular agencies. This means anyone could start making money from your images  :o

It doesn't bear thinking about  ???
All meta data is gone, and agencies wont accept images where the data is stripped, no? Or I might be wrong.

But as soon as the IP owner finds out, a simple DMCA is enough to shut them down.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: elvinstar on January 27, 2013, 14:22
All meta data is gone, and agencies wont accept images where the data is stripped, no? Or I might be wrong.

But as soon as the IP owner finds out, a simple DMCA is enough to shut them down.

Even if that's the case, it's easy enough to add meta data to an image...
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: toots on January 27, 2013, 14:27
All meta data is gone, and agencies wont accept images where the data is stripped, no? Or I might be wrong.

But as soon as the IP owner finds out, a simple DMCA is enough to shut them down.

Even if that's the case, it's easy enough to add meta data to an image...

Deleted my reply coz the one above basically answered it
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on January 27, 2013, 15:32
All meta data is gone, and agencies wont accept images where the data is stripped, no? Or I might be wrong.

But as soon as the IP owner finds out, a simple DMCA is enough to shut them down.

Even if that's the case, it's easy enough to add meta data to an image...

If someone was going to go to all that trouble, then they could do it with other stuff they find floating around the net or being offered from pirated collections. I don't see why google would make any difference to that. The concern is more about honest people who take stuff because Google appears to be licensing it to them.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: MichaelJayFoto on January 27, 2013, 15:34
A thought I had, also someone else just brought it up on another forum is this:

What if a user/s of google drive downloads some of these "free images" of some Istock/Getty contributors and uploads them as their own to stock agencies. How in hell's name would those stock agencies have any idea that those images do not belong to the uploader, especially if whoever these images belong to don't upload to those particular agencies. This means anyone could start making money from your images  :o

It doesn't bear thinking about  ???

I wouldn't be worried about that. Cases like that have happened in the past. Some agencies might fall for it for a short time but most of them have measures in place to find out quickly. And many others have an active enough community that will point it out quickly if they ever make it live.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: aspp on January 27, 2013, 17:50
Without naming names here, I cannot understand why the blow hard troll thread at Istock is being allowed to happen. Normally threads which are obviously devisive and disruptive and stupid would have been quickly deleted.

I cannot understand what good that thread does or why the moderators took such an obviously misguided deliberate decision to officially sanction it. Of all the people who still post on the old forum, I cannot think of anyone worse to be leading any sort of Feb 2 counter argument.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jjneff on January 27, 2013, 18:51
Lobo Hammers Sean

Sean: Seems like we can lock this. We have a recent thread on G+, and the OP can be patronizing on his profile blog.

Lobo:
Posted By sjlocke:
Seems like we can lock this. We have a recent thread on G+, and the OP can be patronizing on his profile blog.

What a supernova of irony. How about you take a break fom the thread if your delicate sensibilities are wounded by another contributors post.

Thanks for that.

Ouch everyone is getting a little testy Now to see if all this noise has any teeth!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ARTPUPPY on January 27, 2013, 19:25
Without naming names here, I cannot understand why the blow hard troll thread at Istock is being allowed to happen. Normally threads which are obviously devisive and disruptive and stupid would have been quickly deleted.

I cannot understand what good that thread does or why the moderators took such an obviously misguided deliberate decision to officially sanction it. Of all the people who still post on the old forum, I cannot think of anyone worse to be leading any sort of Feb 2 counter argument.
Why not? It takes the focus (and collective energies) off the real issues at hand. Better to dissipate the group and bicker rather than have them unite and take an action.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: mlwinphoto on January 27, 2013, 20:29
Without naming names here, I cannot understand why the blow hard troll thread at Istock is being allowed to happen. Normally threads which are obviously devisive and disruptive and stupid would have been quickly deleted.

I cannot understand what good that thread does or why the moderators took such an obviously misguided deliberate decision to officially sanction it. Of all the people who still post on the old forum, I cannot think of anyone worse to be leading any sort of Feb 2 counter argument.

Getty/iStock/Lobo, whatever, no doubt like what he had to say and don't see any reason to lock it.  Any name calling that occurs was incited by the original OP but I am a little surprised that those posts haven't been deleted.  Certainly entertaining reading, if you like that kind of thing....
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: tickstock on January 28, 2013, 01:05
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Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 28, 2013, 15:32
A friend of mine who reads but doesn't post went to the trouble of creating a list of who's participating (according to the thread) and how many each has or will be deleting:


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai9dhorY3ovxdHFCY2FqdkFVQUtLMGRrNUhsVzV0SFE#gid=0 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai9dhorY3ovxdHFCY2FqdkFVQUtLMGRrNUhsVzV0SFE#gid=0)

For a bit of irony, it was created in Google docs ;D

If anybody has any to add, I am sure they would be receptive to adding more...

And thank you very much - you know who you are :D
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: pixel86 on January 28, 2013, 16:16
Lisa, does that include people from the IS forum, or only people here? My guess is only people from here, but just checking.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: toots on January 28, 2013, 16:52
Lisa, does that include people from the IS forum, or only people here? My guess is only people from here, but just checking.

I was wondering that too, coz the last tallied total I saw was over 44,000.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 28, 2013, 16:58
Lisa, does that include people from the IS forum, or only people here? My guess is only people from here, but just checking.

Oh, sorry, I put that in the OP, but didn't add it here.  AFAIK this is just people on this forum.  The Istock forum people aren't added.  I would still take Denis (Cybernesco's) count as the official one. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: pixel86 on January 28, 2013, 17:02
Lisa, does that include people from the IS forum, or only people here? My guess is only people from here, but just checking.

Oh, sorry, I put that in the OP, but didn't add it here.  AFAIK this is just people on this forum.  The Istock forum people aren't added.  I would still take Denis (Cybernesco's) count as the official one.


Thats what I thought, just checking. Thanks!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: toots on January 28, 2013, 17:04
Thanks Lisa  :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: tickstock on January 28, 2013, 17:11
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Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: RapidEye on January 28, 2013, 19:05
Well, I stopped uploading last week, for what it's worth.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on January 28, 2013, 19:25
I'm not sure how much difference this will make, there are over 60,000 files waiting inspection right now.  If you want to protect your IP that's one thing but I don't see this as much of a protest in that the amount of images is too insignificant to have any wider effects.  If this protest is to accomplish anything shouldn't there be some type of demands i.e.  "Change the ASA to stop deals like this one or else we'll pull our images off".  Right now I don't see a clear and concise message supported by the group being presented to Istock.   Maybe a petition drafted and signed by the group would be more effective, right now it looks like people are planning to pull their images off no matter what.  If that's the case why not do it already?
 
The queue is shown here [url]http://www.istockphoto.com/stats[/url] ([url]http://www.istockphoto.com/stats[/url])

I think having the story about deactivation day spreading around the internet might make some buyers think about using sites other than istock.  That might be more successful than a few of us just deleting images.  I'm sure istock wont give in to any of our demands, as they've not listened for several years now and have really gone out of their way to demonstrate how little they think of us.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: pixel86 on January 28, 2013, 19:48
I'm not sure how much difference this will make, there are over 60,000 files waiting inspection right now.  If you want to protect your IP that's one thing but I don't see this as much of a protest in that the amount of images is too insignificant to have any wider effects.  If this protest is to accomplish anything shouldn't there be some type of demands i.e.  "Change the ASA to stop deals like this one or else we'll pull our images off".  Right now I don't see a clear and concise message supported by the group being presented to Istock.   Maybe a petition drafted and signed by the group would be more effective, right now it looks like people are planning to pull their images off no matter what.  If that's the case why not do it already?
 
The queue is shown here [url]http://www.istockphoto.com/stats[/url] ([url]http://www.istockphoto.com/stats[/url])



Getty is NOT going to change a thing. It's the contributors responsibility to look out for their own welfare. When people are fed up, they will leave. Right now, there are too many people who depend on that income and just aren't ready to leave. I don't get it, because sales have been tanking for just about everybody anyway, but some think a little something is better than nothing. Getty knows that and banks on it.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 28, 2013, 20:50
I'm not sure how much difference this will make, there are over 60,000 files waiting inspection right now.  If you want to protect your IP that's one thing but I don't see this as much of a protest in that the amount of images is too insignificant to have any wider effects.  If this protest is to accomplish anything shouldn't there be some type of demands i.e.  "Change the ASA to stop deals like this one or else we'll pull our images off".  Right now I don't see a clear and concise message supported by the group being presented to Istock.   Maybe a petition drafted and signed by the group would be more effective, right now it looks like people are planning to pull their images off no matter what.  If that's the case why not do it already?
 
The queue is shown here [url]http://www.istockphoto.com/stats[/url] ([url]http://www.istockphoto.com/stats[/url])


The idea of presenting demands makes sense, but as far as threatening a specific action, I think it would be difficult to get everyone to agree on the same action. 

From reading these forums and the Istock ones, it seems like there are a variety of actions people are planning.

Some are planning to take down their entire portfolios immediately because of worries about their IP. 

Some, like me have stopped uploading and, are planning to take down a specific number of files on Feb 2 and then give it some time to see how things develop (lawsuits, etc). 

Others are planning to drop their crowns, but probably will keep on with Istock for at least awhile as they build portfolios on other sites. 

Personally, I think a lot of us who are very dependent on Istock income will be reluctant to pull entire portfolios immediately.  For example, if I were to deactivate my entire port on Istock at once, my daughter would literally have to leave college at the end of this semester without her degree.  If nothing changes in this intolerable situation, it may yet come to deactivating the entire port, but I see that as an absolute last resort, once all other avenues have been exhausted.

JMHO, others will each have their own personal situations to consider.

So as you see, it will be difficult to send a list of demands stating what specific actions will be taken because I don't think there's enough agreement on what to do. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: stockastic on January 28, 2013, 20:57
The actions people are taking now are entirely appropriate to the situation.  At this point, Getty doesn't care about 20,000 images, or even a few hundred photographers.  But a big steaming garbage barge of bad publicity  is another matter.   The goal is to do whatever we do as loudly and publicly as possible.

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 28, 2013, 20:59

I think having the story about deactivation day spreading around the internet might make some buyers think about using sites other than istock.  That might be more successful than a few of us just deleting images. 

If sales at other sites the past week are anything to go by, it looks like a fair number of buyers are doing exactly as you suggest. 

...But a big steaming garbage barge of bad publicity  is another matter.   The goal is to do whatever we do as loudly and publicly as possible.



Exactly!  Very well put!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: m@m on January 28, 2013, 21:11
The actions people are taking now are entirely appropriate to the situation.  At this point, Getty doesn't care about 20,000 images, or even a few hundred photographers.  But a big steaming garbage barge of bad publicity  is another matter.   The goal is to do whatever we do as loudly and publicly as possible.

Agree 100%
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cybernesco on January 28, 2013, 23:08
The actions people are taking now are entirely appropriate to the situation.  At this point, Getty doesn't care about 20,000 images, or even a few hundred photographers.  But a big steaming garbage barge of bad publicity  is another matter.   The goal is to do whatever we do as loudly and publicly as possible.

Agree 100%

I agree, interestingly just today, so far, I got over 260 unique users landing on my blog about this deal and I am only a needle in a hay stack. It is a captivating story not just for photographers and artists but the general public as well as most like an underdog story.
I guess big media are reluctant to touch this partly due to their possible affiliation with Getty. Unfortunately for us Getty plays a huge part in today's big media. However, the story is getting traction across the web within many other smaller media outlets which will eventually and probably add up to the same amount of exposure as big media.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: asiseeit on January 29, 2013, 00:19
A friend of mine who reads but doesn't post went to the trouble of creating a list of who's participating (according to the thread) and how many each has or will be deleting:


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai9dhorY3ovxdHFCY2FqdkFVQUtLMGRrNUhsVzV0SFE#gid=0 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai9dhorY3ovxdHFCY2FqdkFVQUtLMGRrNUhsVzV0SFE#gid=0)

For a bit of irony, it was created in Google docs ;D
I dare you to add a free stock image to the doc... I double-dog dare you  ;D
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: mlwinphoto on January 29, 2013, 00:40
I'm not sure how much difference this will make, there are over 60,000 files waiting inspection right now.  If you want to protect your IP that's one thing but I don't see this as much of a protest in that the amount of images is too insignificant to have any wider effects.  If this protest is to accomplish anything shouldn't there be some type of demands i.e.  "Change the ASA to stop deals like this one or else we'll pull our images off".  Right now I don't see a clear and concise message supported by the group being presented to Istock.   Maybe a petition drafted and signed by the group would be more effective, right now it looks like people are planning to pull their images off no matter what.  If that's the case why not do it already?
 
The queue is shown here [url]http://www.istockphoto.com/stats[/url] ([url]http://www.istockphoto.com/stats[/url])



Getty is NOT going to change a thing. It's the contributors responsibility to look out for their own welfare. When people are fed up, they will leave. Right now, there are too many people who depend on that income and just aren't ready to leave. I don't get it, because sales have been tanking for just about everybody anyway, but some think a little something is better than nothing. Getty knows that and banks on it.


I think the reason people aren't ready to leave is because we/they are holding out in hope that things will turn around. 
The longer this goes on the less likely that seems to be but I, for one, would like to exhaust all reasons to hope before pulling the plug....that day may be coming sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on January 29, 2013, 04:16
I still think that people with good portfolios will lose much less than they think if they remove images from istock.  I'm sure lots of buyers will look elsewhere, they'll either have more than one place to buy already or they'll wonder where that portfolio went and have a search for it.  Its a scary thing to do but I think leaving all my best images on istock frightens me much more.

If my earnings dip significantly, I'll have to find another way to make up the difference.  I think that will probably do me good, as I've been in a creative slump ever since the sites started cutting commissions.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: MichaelJayFoto on January 29, 2013, 05:46
I still think that people with good portfolios will lose much less than they think if they remove images from istock.

Depends on what you mean with "good" portfolios. If you have a good microstock portfolio, you probably could make a lot of money back by quickly getting the same images up at other microstock agencies.

However, there are lots of people who produce "good" images that just don't sell often. They are not generic enough, so the number of downloads is lower than the "apple isolated on white" that can be used thousands of times. iStock has managed to charge higher prices and it was quite successful for that kind of images. You won't be able to make the same amount of money that you get for a good selling Vetta image by selling it for $0.25 per download on subscription sales. We're talking about images that achieve RPD of $20 or more on iStock. For those images, the contributor will have to find a better home, somewhere in the middle to top price tiers.

Assuming someone with a strong Vetta / Agency portfolio will make a similar amount of money in microstock alone sounds like a very, very risky assumption to me.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: MichaelJayFoto on January 29, 2013, 05:52
Okay. I just noticed you are probably only talking about people who are already non-exclusive and have their images on other agencies. If that's what you mean, sorry if my reply doesn't really match your point.  ;)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on January 29, 2013, 06:15
Getty won't care about the number of images deleted.

HOWEVER ... I am sure they will be watching what happens with interest and I think it would be helpful if everybody who is upset deletes at least one image.  They are likely to be watching how many people participate, as well as how many files go, in order to assess the strength of contributor feeling.

I'm sure they would be more bothered by 20,000 people each deleting one photo (mass protest) than by one person deleting 20,000 photos (squeaky wheel coming off).
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: gostwyck on January 29, 2013, 06:50
Getty won't care about the number of images deleted.

HOWEVER ... I am sure they will be watching what happens with interest and I think it would be helpful if everybody who is upset deletes at least one image.  They are likely to be watching how many people participate, as well as how many files go, in order to assess the strength of contributor feeling.

I'm sure they would be more bothered by 20,000 people each deleting one photo (mass protest) than by one person deleting 20,000 photos (squeaky wheel coming off).

I suspect that they'll be somewhat more concerned and damaged by exclusives ditching their crowns. Exclusives are Istock's USP, the primary justification for higher prices and the only way they have been able to get away with such poor site functionality. Without exclusives Istock become just one of many microstock agencies, with the same images but at higher prices and on a slow, unreliable site. Every exclusive who ditches their crown and uploads elsewhere weakens Istock's position and also strengthens that of it's competitors. It's a gathering snowball.

Make no mistake this fiasco will cost Getty money in the long run __ just as the disaster of the RC system did. Judging by the numbers published at the time of the Carlyle sale Getty appear to have been flat-lining overall since they were bought by H&F. They could only have achieved that much by virtue of the growth of Istock. With Istock shrinking then so will Getty. Getty nowadays are not all-powerful and their grip on the industry, as far as we microstockers are concerned anyway, is loosening day by day.

I think the hapless responses of the Istock management and the increasing irritability of the forum moderator are quite telling on just how concerned they are (mainly for their own futures).

PS: Edited because the word 'chuck*ng' (as in 'throwing') is apparently not allowed?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: picture5469 on January 29, 2013, 07:03

I think the hapless responses of the Istock management and the increasing irritability of the forum moderator are quite telling on just how concerned they are (mainly for their own futures).
+1
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 29, 2013, 07:05
I suspect that they'll be somewhat more concerned and damaged by exclusives * their crowns. Exclusives are Istock's USP, the primary justification for higher prices and the only way they have been able to get away with such poor site functionality. Without exclusives Istock become just one of many microstock agencies, with the same images but at higher prices and on a slow, unreliable site. Every exclusive who ditches their crown and uploads elsewhere weakens Istock's position and also strengthens that of it's competitors. It's a gathering snowball.
You'd think,  but in recent times, they don't seem to have been looking after their exclusives at all; it has seemed to me like they'd like us all to ditch our crowns so that they could earn more percentage off us. Crazy to me, this profitability vs profit choice, but it really seems like it's the way they're going.

But I agree with:
Quote
I think the hapless responses of the Istock management and the increasing irritability of the forum moderator are quite telling on just how concerned they are (mainly for their own futures).
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: RapidEye on January 29, 2013, 10:26

You'd think,  but in recent times, they don't seem to have been looking after their exclusives at all; it has seemed to me like they'd like us all to ditch our crowns so that they could earn more percentage off us. Crazy to me, this profitability vs profit choice, but it really seems like it's the way they're going.

But I agree with:
Quote
I think the hapless responses of the Istock management and the increasing irritability of the forum moderator are quite telling on just how concerned they are (mainly for their own futures).

This is the kind of thing that's driving me crazy, quite apart from my falling earnings. iStock has become so inscrutable it's no wonder that people resort to conspiracy theories.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 29, 2013, 10:49
A friend of mine who reads but doesn't post went to the trouble of creating a list of who's participating (according to the thread) and how many each has or will be deleting:


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai9dhorY3ovxdHFCY2FqdkFVQUtLMGRrNUhsVzV0SFE#gid=0 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ai9dhorY3ovxdHFCY2FqdkFVQUtLMGRrNUhsVzV0SFE#gid=0)

For a bit of irony, it was created in Google docs ;D
I dare you to add a free stock image to the doc... I double-dog dare you  ;D

LOL!  Great suggestion.  I will pass it along ;D
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: pixel86 on January 29, 2013, 10:53

You'd think,  but in recent times, they don't seem to have been looking after their exclusives at all; it has seemed to me like they'd like us all to ditch our crowns so that they could earn more percentage off us. Crazy to me, this profitability vs profit choice, but it really seems like it's the way they're going.

But I agree with:
Quote
I think the hapless responses of the Istock management and the increasing irritability of the forum moderator are quite telling on just how concerned they are (mainly for their own futures).

This is the kind of thing that's driving me crazy, quite apart from my falling earnings. iStock has become so inscrutable it's no wonder that people resort to conspiracy theories.


Conspiracy theory? I think not. Almost every "conspiracy theory" that has been put forth in the past couple of years by contributors has come true. One only needs to list the facts of what has actually happened in that same time period to come to a factual conclusion. Some people just don't want to take their beer goggles off and take a true look.  :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 29, 2013, 10:56
But hey, nil desperandum - Lobo has promised some comms for exclusives this very week.
I'm beside myself with excitement.  ;D ;)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 29, 2013, 10:59

Conspiracy theory? I think not. Almost every "conspiracy theory" that has been put forth in the past couple of years by contributors has come true. One only needs to list the facts of what has actually happened in that same time period to come to a factual conclusion. Some people just don't want to take their beer goggles off and take a true look.  :)

I tend to agree Cathy.  If someone told me in 2009 all the things that would go down at Istock in the following three years I would have assumed they were a conspiracy theorist at best and more likely batsh!t crazy.  And yet here we are.... :-\
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: pixel86 on January 29, 2013, 11:00
But hey, nil desperandum - Lobo has promised some comms for exclusives this very week.
I'm beside myself with excitement.  ;D ;)


Of course something is coming. It's part of the game...they do something wrong, contributors complain, they make a big deal out of "giving" them something new and exciting, but the $crewing continues. <sigh>
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 29, 2013, 11:00
But hey, nil desperandum - Lobo has promised some comms for exclusives this very week.
I'm beside myself with excitement.  ;D ;)

Hoping someone will share what those are with the rest of us peons... :-X
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: RapidEye on January 29, 2013, 11:01

Conspiracy theory? I think not. Almost every "conspiracy theory" that has been put forth in the past couple of years by contributors has come true. One only needs to list the facts of what has actually happened in that same time period to come to a factual conclusion. Some people just don't want to take their beer goggles off and take a true look.  :)

Depends on what we're referring to. Very good theories are often forthcoming from contributors, and I wouldn't dream of calling those conspiracy theories. But you must admit that notions about iStock's motives have been known to get a tad fanciful. You'd be surprised if you could look inside my head sometimes, for that matter.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: RapidEye on January 29, 2013, 11:06

I tend to agree Cathy.  If someone told me in 2009 all the things that would go down at Istock in the following three years I would have assumed they were a conspiracy theorist at best and more likely batsh!t crazy.  And yet here we are.... :-\

It was predictable that Getty, after buying iStock, would try to drive costs down and revenues up -- i.e. royalty cuts and price hikes. It's a manoeuvre that seems to have failed but only because it's overshot, not because it was completely crazy. The whole disaster can probably be summarised by greed overshoot coupled with a lack of understanding of how crowdsourcing could work against a corporation that becomes disliked.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 29, 2013, 11:07
The worst of it with iStock is that no matter how bad I think it could get, they always manage to trump it. I hadn't foreseen the RC chicanery and would never have imagined the GoogleDocs disaster.
They certainly manage to exceed my conspiracy-theory-fuelled expections, and always in a negative way.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: RapidEye on January 29, 2013, 11:09
The worst of it with iStock is that no matter how bad I think it could get, they always manage to trump it. I hadn't foreseen the RC chicanery and would never have imagined the GoogleDocs disaster.
They certainly manage to exceed my conspiracy-theory-fuelled expections, and always in a negative way.

Yes, I'm entirely weary of opening the iStock forums in the morning with a sense of impending doom.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 29, 2013, 11:11

I tend to agree Cathy.  If someone told me in 2009 all the things that would go down at Istock in the following three years I would have assumed they were a conspiracy theorist at best and more likely batsh!t crazy.  And yet here we are.... :-\

It was predictable that Getty, after buying iStock, would try to drive costs down and revenues up -- i.e. royalty cuts and price hikes. It's a manoeuvre that seems to have failed but only because it's overshot, not because it was completely crazy. The whole disaster can probably be summarised by greed overshoot coupled with a lack of understanding of how crowdsourcing could work against a corporation that becomes disliked.

I believe you misunderstood my post.  I didn't say Getty were crazy.  I said if someone had told me all the cr@p they'd be pulling over the last few years I would have thought that person was a conspiracy theorist or crazy.  :)

And I totally agree with Liz, it was certainly predictable that Getty would be greedy and care nothing for contributors, the the specifics are something far beyond what seemed predictable when they bought Istock. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: RapidEye on January 29, 2013, 11:11
I believe you misunderstood my post.  I didn't say Getty were crazy.  I said if someone had told me all the cr@p they'd be pulling over the last few years I would have thought that person was a conspiracy theorist or crazy.  :)

You're right. My apologies.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 29, 2013, 11:14
RapidEye, I just noticed your avatar pic.  LOL!  Love it! Kind of reminds me of that famous scene in Trainspotting ;D
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: RapidEye on January 29, 2013, 11:17
RapidEye, I just noticed your avatar pic.  LOL!  Love it! Kind of reminds me of that famous scene in Trainspotting ;D

Ha. Thanks. I have to confess to a certain amount of inspiration from the movie, but I thought the pic summed things up.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 29, 2013, 11:20
RapidEye, I just noticed your avatar pic.  LOL!  Love it! Kind of reminds me of that famous scene in Trainspotting ;D


Ha. Thanks. I have to confess to a certain amount of inspiration from the movie, but I thought the pic summed things up.

Oh yes, it does perfectly.  I think most of us can relate.  :)

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: trek on January 29, 2013, 11:53
The deactivation spread sheet is very nice... except it shows me pledging only 10.  I've deactivated 26 at istock (plus 327 at stockexpert) so far.  Will do more on Feb 2nd. 

Providing an opt out would be a smart business decision.  I hope Getty eventually realizes this. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 29, 2013, 15:14
The deactivation spread sheet is very nice... except it shows me pledging only 10.  I've deactivated 26 at istock (plus 327 at stockexpert) so far.  Will do more on Feb 2nd. 

Providing an opt out would be a smart business decision.  I hope Getty eventually realizes this.

Thanks for the update.  So then yours should say 353?  I will pass it along to Marina :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: trek on January 29, 2013, 15:30
The deactivation spread sheet is very nice... except it shows me pledging only 10.  I've deactivated 26 at istock (plus 327 at stockexpert) so far.  Will do more on Feb 2nd. 

Providing an opt out would be a smart business decision.  I hope Getty eventually realizes this.

Thanks for the update.  So then yours should say 353?  I will pass it along to Marina :)

If stockexpert/thinkstock deactivations count, then its 353.  So far... 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: MicrostockExp on January 29, 2013, 20:08
533 pics for me, in addition i removed the 15 video clips I had there ;D
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: stockastic on January 29, 2013, 20:18
... greed overshoot coupled with a lack of understanding of how crowdsourcing could work against a corporation that becomes disliked.

Interesting way to look at it.  What happens when the "crowd" turns against you? In today's connected world, the crowd is not without power of its own.

As always, that fine distinction between leading a parade and running from a mob.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Batman on January 29, 2013, 22:16
Havent you asked yourself why these big-shots are not deactivating  NOW?  why wait? and why just deactivating? why not show them hell and DELETE?

1 - you have 16 flames active at iStock
2 - you have files uploaded on January 18th
3 - what . are you talking about?

now we have CJ6 and ClaridgeJ, isn't it boring to logout and login?

a year back my friend I deleted 7 blue flames and over 20 red flames. Not for this reason but for uploading them as macro RF.

just for the info. I havent got the lightest idea of who or what this CJ6 person is, might be an extention of MI6 I suppose.

Last week I deleted and closed my accounts at 3 other agencies. I go all the way and delete not JUST deactivate, anybody can do that.

No not at IS and why should I?  you mean to join the losers. No thanks.

When are you deactivating your SS pictures?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cypher on January 30, 2013, 00:11
Interesting quote from the Istock forums:

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Posted By PaulCowan:
I think I will delete at least one useless old file on the 2nd, just in case anybody is watching the numbers to see how many contributors are annoyed enough to make some minor gesture of protest.

(Edited on 2013-01-29 04:25:50 by PaulCowan)


Posted By Lobo:
Paul, we are watching everything.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Anyka on January 30, 2013, 01:49
Interesting quote from the Istock forums:

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Posted By PaulCowan:
I think I will delete at least one useless old file on the 2nd, just in case anybody is watching the numbers to see how many contributors are annoyed enough to make some minor gesture of protest.

(Edited on 2013-01-29 04:25:50 by PaulCowan)


Posted By Lobo:
Paul, we are watching everything.

I think what Cowan suggested here is very interesting :  even if you do NOT plan to deactivate on Feb 2nd, or get rid of your crown, but you still want to show your concern :  DEACTIVATE AT LEAST 1 IMAGE on that date.   

Getty might not be impressed by the number of deactivated files, but they might be by the number of angry contributors.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on January 30, 2013, 03:49
Interesting quote from the Istock forums:

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Posted By PaulCowan:
I think I will delete at least one useless old file on the 2nd, just in case anybody is watching the numbers to see how many contributors are annoyed enough to make some minor gesture of protest.

(Edited on 2013-01-29 04:25:50 by PaulCowan)


Posted By Lobo:
Paul, we are watching everything.

I think what Cowan suggested here is very interesting :  even if you do NOT plan to deactivate on Feb 2nd, or get rid of your crown, but you still want to show your concern :  DEACTIVATE AT LEAST 1 IMAGE on that date.   

Getty might not be impressed by the number of deactivated files, but they might be by the number of angry contributors.

That almost looked like a hint from Lobo. I've wondered a couple of times if he isn't upset over what Getty's doing.  GI does seem to have sidelined their IS staff and then left them to take the flack. It might rankle.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: emblem on January 30, 2013, 03:55
Interesting quote from the Istock forums:

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Posted By PaulCowan:
I think I will delete at least one useless old file on the 2nd, just in case anybody is watching the numbers to see how many contributors are annoyed enough to make some minor gesture of protest.

(Edited on 2013-01-29 04:25:50 by PaulCowan)


Posted By Lobo:
Paul, we are watching everything.

I think what Cowan suggested here is very interesting :  even if you do NOT plan to deactivate on Feb 2nd, or get rid of your crown, but you still want to show your concern :  DEACTIVATE AT LEAST 1 IMAGE on that date.   

Getty might not be impressed by the number of deactivated files, but they might be by the number of angry contributors.

This is a very smart strategy...
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on January 30, 2013, 03:55
I don't think Getty are bothered because they know the majority of the crowd will tolerate almost anything as long as they still make them some money.  They've shown no sign of improving their relationship with contributors, it just gets worse all the time.  I think this should be more about getting the message out to buyers that there are much better sites for non-exclusives that have better prices for them as well.  Most of us wont be able to continue producing new images if we get less commissions and then some of our best images are virtually given away.

I hope anyone publicizing D-Day mentions alternative sites, it could be a good opportunity to give them a boost.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: polar on January 30, 2013, 07:44
Interesting quote from the Istock forums:

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Posted By PaulCowan:
I think I will delete at least one useless old file on the 2nd, just in case anybody is watching the numbers to see how many contributors are annoyed enough to make some minor gesture of protest.

(Edited on 2013-01-29 04:25:50 by PaulCowan)


Posted By Lobo:
Paul, we are watching everything.

I'm betting they're going to put out something on Friday afternoon, if for no other reason than to try to disrupt D-Day.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: rimglow on January 30, 2013, 07:55

Interesting quote from the Istock forums:

Posted By Lobo:
Paul, we are watching everything.

Quote
I'm betting they're going to put out something on Friday afternoon, if for no other reason than to try to disrupt D-Day.

Nothing short of a new policy announcement, from HQ, that they will no longer sell images to companies that give away our hi-res images with stripped metadata, will change many minds.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: gostwyck on January 30, 2013, 08:03
I'm betting they're going to put out something on Friday afternoon, if for no other reason than to try to disrupt D-Day.

I'm betting you're going to be disappointed then. They've already had 2-3 weeks to diffuse the situation but they've essentially done nothing other than confirm what we had already discovered for ourselves.

Istock management didn't even know about the Getty/Google deal until we informed them (and they went scurrying away to find out what Getty had done). At the moment they appear powerless to intervene or help even if they wanted to.

I think Istock management will be monitoring very closely the actions of contributors on D-Day and will then use that information to hopefully influence Getty. Unfortunately I believe that Getty will only react, if at all, when they see irrefutable evidence that the Google Drive deal is hurting them in the pocket.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: pixel86 on January 30, 2013, 08:16
I'm betting they're going to put out something on Friday afternoon, if for no other reason than to try to disrupt D-Day.

I'm betting you're going to be disappointed then. They've already had 2-3 weeks to diffuse the situation but they've essentially done nothing other than confirm what we had already discovered for ourselves.

Istock management didn't even know about the Getty/Google deal until we informed them (and they went scurrying away to find out what Getty had done). At the moment they appear powerless to intervene or help even if they wanted to.

I think Istock management will be monitoring very closely the actions of contributors on D-Day and will then use that information to hopefully influence Getty. Unfortunately I believe that Getty will only react, if at all, when they see irrefutable evidence that the Google Drive deal is hurting them in the pocket.


I don't think it is hurting them in the pocket. They don't care if they lose some contributors and some images...there are millions more images and new contributors signing up all the time. I think whatever deal they made with Google is going to put money in their pockets. It's the contributors who continue to do business with them who are going to be hurting in the pockets.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: gostwyck on January 30, 2013, 08:29
I don't think it is hurting them in the pocket. They don't care if they lose some contributors and some images...there are millions more images and new contributors signing up all the time. I think whatever deal they made with Google is going to put money in their pockets. It's the contributors who continue to do business with them who are going to be hurting in the pockets.

If my sales at IS over the last few days are anything to go by it might already be happening. This week my sales have fallen off a cliff, to literally about one third of what they were during the same week in January 2012. Probably just the normal ebb and flow but I wonder how others are doing?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: enstoker on January 30, 2013, 08:58
I don't think it is hurting them in the pocket. They don't care if they lose some contributors and some images...there are millions more images and new contributors signing up all the time. I think whatever deal they made with Google is going to put money in their pockets. It's the contributors who continue to do business with them who are going to be hurting in the pockets.

If my sales at IS over the last few days are anything to go by it might already be happening. This week my sales have fallen off a cliff, to literally about one third of what they were during the same week in January 2012. Probably just the normal ebb and flow but I wonder how others are doing?


VOMITING
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 30, 2013, 09:01
I don't think it is hurting them in the pocket. They don't care if they lose some contributors and some images...there are millions more images and new contributors signing up all the time. I think whatever deal they made with Google is going to put money in their pockets. It's the contributors who continue to do business with them who are going to be hurting in the pockets.

If my sales at IS over the last few days are anything to go by it might already be happening. This week my sales have fallen off a cliff, to literally about one third of what they were during the same week in January 2012. Probably just the normal ebb and flow but I wonder how others are doing?
1 dl Mon, 3 yesterday, 0 so far today ...
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Blammo on January 30, 2013, 09:07
All time low for me, makes it a bit emotional easier to remove my files, I do feel for Exclusives  :-[
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: fotoVoyager on January 30, 2013, 09:14
If my sales at IS over the last few days are anything to go by it might already be happening. This week my sales have fallen off a cliff, to literally about one third of what they were during the same week in January 2012. Probably just the normal ebb and flow but I wonder how others are doing?

Terrible. As usual.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: EmberMike on January 30, 2013, 09:45
I'm betting they're going to put out something on Friday afternoon, if for no other reason than to try to disrupt D-Day.

Historically, istock doesn't respond to threats of coordinated action. Lots of people removed images or left istock when royalty rtes were dropped, when they removed the ThinkStock opt-out for independents, etc.

I'd be amazed if they did anything this week in an effort to impact D-Day.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: fotoVoyager on January 30, 2013, 09:50
I'm betting they're going to put out something on Friday afternoon, if for no other reason than to try to disrupt D-Day.

Historically, istock doesn't respond to threats of coordinated action. Lots of people removed images or left istock when royalty rtes were dropped, when they removed the ThinkStock opt-out for independents, etc.

I'd be amazed if they did anything this week in an effort to impact D-Day.

Not quite true. Exclusive video artists campaigned against and halted the Vetta royalty reduction for their media.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 30, 2013, 09:52
I'm betting they're going to put out something on Friday afternoon, if for no other reason than to try to disrupt D-Day.


Historically, istock doesn't respond to threats of coordinated action. Lots of people removed images or left istock when royalty rtes were dropped, when they removed the ThinkStock opt-out for independents, etc.

I'd be amazed if they did anything this week in an effort to impact D-Day.


They are, however, admitting they're in trouble:
Lobo:
"There have been a number of changes to the site over the last several months that make flipping switches to make things as they were problematic. I'm not going to pretend I have a solid handle on all of it but I do know we are working REALLY hard to get things sorted. "
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=349553&messageid=6832753 (http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=349553&messageid=6832753)
... a direct admission that they did do something to cause the problems and they need to sort it.
I don't think we've had that sort of admission for a long time.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: MikLav on January 30, 2013, 09:55
The deactivation spread sheet is very nice... except it shows me pledging only 10.  I've deactivated 26 at istock (plus 327 at stockexpert) so far.  Will do more on Feb 2nd. 

Providing an opt out would be a smart business decision.  I hope Getty eventually realizes this.

Thanks for the update.  So then yours should say 353?  I will pass it along to Marina :)
yes nice sheet - shows 1 for me that I deleted - but I aim to remove around 200 on the 2nd (not removing my entire port yet )
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sdeva on January 30, 2013, 10:26
Interesting quote from the Istock forums:

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Posted By PaulCowan:
I think I will delete at least one useless old file on the 2nd, just in case anybody is watching the numbers to see how many contributors are annoyed enough to make some minor gesture of protest.

(Edited on 2013-01-29 04:25:50 by PaulCowan)


Posted By Lobo:
Paul, we are watching everything.

What a good thought!!  If enough people do at least that much delete, the message will be stronger .. although what may hurt them most will be the long term implications .. at first there's D-Day and all the noise around that - and then, it probably stands to reason that many contributors participating in D-Day will not place new content in future, thus gradually weakening the solid contributor base that exists for them.  However much they replace, the dice is still going to fall in favor of their top business rivals who will receive more content from many of their seasoned (ex-) contributors.

So "watching" may not be enough  ::) - much better if they could understand - comprehend - and act in a way that restores back the widespread loss in confidence.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: polar on January 30, 2013, 12:30
I'm betting they're going to put out something on Friday afternoon, if for no other reason than to try to disrupt D-Day.

I'm betting you're going to be disappointed then. They've already had 2-3 weeks to diffuse the situation but they've essentially done nothing other than confirm what we had already discovered for ourselves.

Istock management didn't even know about the Getty/Google deal until we informed them (and they went scurrying away to find out what Getty had done). At the moment they appear powerless to intervene or help even if they wanted to.

I think Istock management will be monitoring very closely the actions of contributors on D-Day and will then use that information to hopefully influence Getty. Unfortunately I believe that Getty will only react, if at all, when they see irrefutable evidence that the Google Drive deal is hurting them in the pocket.

I should have been clearer. I wasn't suggesting that they'd put out anything substantive that would solve the problem, or even address the questions people have been asking. I was thinking more along the lines of some kind of "cat among the pigeons" statement that might wave off people who are uncertain about participating in D-Day or those who still believe they'll offer a real solution at some point.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 30, 2013, 18:42

Historically, istock doesn't respond to threats of coordinated action. Lots of people removed images or left istock when royalty rtes were dropped, when they removed the ThinkStock opt-out for independents, etc.

I don't know of any coordinated action before.  I recall people doing things pretty much on their own, but as far as I remember there has never before been a coordinated action by Istock contributors.  Maybe someone else remembers something? 

ETA:  I hadn't read Fotovoyager's post about the video contributors campaign when I posted the above.  I stand corrected :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on January 30, 2013, 18:47
Interesting quote from the Istock forums:

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Posted By PaulCowan:
I think I will delete at least one useless old file on the 2nd, just in case anybody is watching the numbers to see how many contributors are annoyed enough to make some minor gesture of protest.

(Edited on 2013-01-29 04:25:50 by PaulCowan)


Posted By Lobo:
Paul, we are watching everything.

What a good thought!!  If enough people do at least that much delete, the message will be stronger .. although what may hurt them most will be the long term implications .. at first there's D-Day and all the noise around that - and then, it probably stands to reason that many contributors participating in D-Day will not place new content in future, thus gradually weakening the solid contributor base that exists for them.  However much they replace, the dice is still going to fall in favor of their top business rivals who will receive more content from many of their seasoned (ex-) contributors.

I'm a bit late to the party today, but just wanted to agree with others that I think Paul's idea about people deleting at least one image so they know how many people are upset and paying attention is brilliant!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: rimglow on January 30, 2013, 19:21

I'm a bit late to the party today, but just wanted to agree with others that I think Paul's idea about people deleting at least one image so they know how many people are upset and paying attention is brilliant!

But, by deleting one photo, you are leaving all of your best sellers vulnerable to be sold to Google and given away for free. They are cherry picking the best ones, and there are no signs, that they won't ramp up that process in the future. Paul's idea won't prove worthy if you lose some of your best sellers forever.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: YadaYadaYada on January 31, 2013, 00:57
Deleting all but 1 is my way of protesting, if people delete 1 or 10 and show iStock something it will send a message. I also think the number of redistered delete files will be doubled by people who don't join the list. The list has most recognized names. We could have 100,000 gone which they will see.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sdeva on January 31, 2013, 17:43
Dont know if this is the right spot (thread) but posting this anyway  :)

It just got posted on twitter..

http://www.selling-stock.com/Article/istock-exclusives-welcomed-at-shutterstock (http://www.selling-stock.com/Article/istock-exclusives-welcomed-at-shutterstock)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: tickstock on January 31, 2013, 18:10
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Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: stockastic on January 31, 2013, 18:31
Istock expects a lot of reactivations after Feb. 2., from Lobo:

"I should mention, I had a discussion with folks about how reactivations are going to work in the event we see a number of people request it after the FEB 2 event. The reactivations are entirely manual so we could be looking at a considerable wait for those people to have their files brought back to the live site. I asked about bulk-reactivations and it's not likely we will have that ability. "

Why would they expect that? Is it actually their intent to let Feb 2 happen, hundreds of contributors deactivate thousands of files - then release some big positive announcement about the Google deal, just so they can say haha, now you can all reactivate them one at a time?

Makes no sense.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: tickstock on January 31, 2013, 18:42
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Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: mattdixon on January 31, 2013, 18:58
I'm guessing the news they will announce won't be what contributors want to hear, that's why they will release it next week.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 31, 2013, 19:19
I'm guessing the news they will announce won't be what contributors want to hear, that's why they will release it next week.

Lobo has started a new thread, 'holding' on Google but with a bit of info about deactivation over the next few weeks of all images in the MS 'promotion'.

http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=351105&page=1 (http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=351105&page=1)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jbryson on January 31, 2013, 19:24
I'm guessing the news they will announce won't be what contributors want to hear, that's why they will release it next week.

Lobo has started a new thread, 'holding' on Google but with a bit of info about deactivation over the next few weeks of all images in the MS 'promotion'.

[url]http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=351105&page=1[/url] ([url]http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=351105&page=1[/url])


I am reservedly hopeful, and believe that the collective actions of many outspoken contributors are to thank for this "productive dialogue with Google".
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: alberto on January 31, 2013, 19:31

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Maybe the arbitrary date of Feb. 2nd didn't give them enough time to figure out exactly what to do.  It seems like they should have had enough time but who knows what they are trying to do.  For example renegotiating a deal with Google, writing a new ASA, or maybe Getty wants to handle this on their schedule so the admins at Istock are not allowed to post anything until it has been approved?
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In my opinion Istock, will not do anything. Time to do there was and nothing happened. And see the right sidebar, earning are stable at 40%, people will forget what happened, as in the past has forgotten the cuts or change of terms and conditions. This deal, is a little different because the echo in the web is strong, but everthing passes. The D-Day is a first step, but if something must change, is a to do list. Next step is continue talking about this deal in blog, website, forum; microstocker should not forget what happened, this can hurt IS, and most important take action coordinated, as i.e. an activation day in other agency...
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on January 31, 2013, 19:35
I'm guessing the news they will announce won't be what contributors want to hear, that's why they will release it next week.

Lobo has started a new thread, 'holding' on Google but with a bit of info about deactivation over the next few weeks of all images in the MS 'promotion'.

[url]http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=351105&page=1[/url] ([url]http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=351105&page=1[/url])


I am reservedly hopeful, and believe that the collective actions of many outspoken contributors are to thank for this "productive dialogue with Google".


I'm just about the opposite. The Google deal is just one (albeit awful one) case. They think they can make other such deals - premium access with a license different from the ones on the iStock sites. Even if there's some amendment to the Google deal, what about the next one? Without an opt out, it would just be a matter of waiting for the next shoe to drop
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on January 31, 2013, 19:37

And see the right sidebar, earning are stable at 40%,
That's not stable, it's been falling rapidly as the monthly sales over there have been showing since Sept.
New thread starting tomorrow.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jbryson on January 31, 2013, 19:39
I'm guessing the news they will announce won't be what contributors want to hear, that's why they will release it next week.

Lobo has started a new thread, 'holding' on Google but with a bit of info about deactivation over the next few weeks of all images in the MS 'promotion'.

[url]http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=351105&page=1[/url] ([url]http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=351105&page=1[/url])


I am reservedly hopeful, and believe that the collective actions of many outspoken contributors are to thank for this "productive dialogue with Google".


I'm just about the opposite. The Google deal is just one (albeit awful one) case. They think they can make other such deals - premium access with a license different from the ones on the iStock sites. Even if there's some amendment to the Google deal, what about the next one? Without an opt out, it would just be a matter of waiting for the next shoe to drop


I agree that Opt-Out is critical. I also think contributors need to remain on high alert and stay "collective". But, I am hopeful that there is an indication they are listening and taking at least some actions.

eta: and that our collective actions are potentially influential.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: alberto on January 31, 2013, 19:46
I'm wait this thread ShadySue, I'm new and don't sell in iStock.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: cuethesun on January 31, 2013, 22:39
I've dropped about 40 files today and kept the deactivation reason simple "Deactivation Day". Will purge more on IS tomorrow when it's actually the 2nd here.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: eyeidea on January 31, 2013, 22:58
WOW! LISA!!! HOLY COW! This is amazing, sad but amazing!

I am so very bummed that the days of good old iStock are behind us. But bravo for this! I left exclusivity both video and images last year. I haven't uploaded there for quite some time. I am much happier at other sites. I guess maybe I can still be part of this "strike" by disabling some images?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Reef on February 01, 2013, 00:33
If my sales at IS over the last few days are anything to go by it might already be happening. This week my sales have fallen off a cliff, to literally about one third of what they were during the same week in January 2012. Probably just the normal ebb and flow but I wonder how others are doing?

Complete opposite for myself. Until I read this I was thinking IS had changed best match to generate more sales, and therefore more confusion for Feb 2nd.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: 4Ever Young on February 01, 2013, 00:36
I have a question.  If you're independent, can IS still include your photos in the Google Giveaway?  And if they do and you have those files at another agency, wouldn't agency #2 have a huge problem with that?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: tickstock on February 01, 2013, 00:40
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Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on February 01, 2013, 00:43
I have a question.  If you're independent, can IS still include your photos in the Google Giveaway?  And if they do and you have those files at another agency, wouldn't agency #2 have a huge problem with that?

Yes you can. Images were taken from Thinkstock, so some iStock images are there plus some from StockXpert (Hemera collection). Shutterstock knows that this is the case - I tweeted Jon Oringer (https://twitter.com/joannsnover/status/290486577812082688) when we first found out about this miserable deal. I didn't expect him to do anything about specific images, but just to see how much of a threat this Getty/Google partnership from hades is to other stock sites
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: JPSDK on February 01, 2013, 01:36
Feb 2nd is tomorrow.
But which timezone.
Greenwich mean time?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on February 01, 2013, 01:41
Feb 2nd is tomorrow.
But which timezone.
Greenwich mean time?

Everything on the iStock site is measured by their time - MST which is GMT - 7. Wouldn't it make sense to use that?

And where I am, February 1st is tomorrow (Friday) and February 2nd is the day after (Saturday), so I'm guessing you're east of me :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on February 01, 2013, 04:02
I'm guessing the news they will announce won't be what contributors want to hear, that's why they will release it next week.
Exactly, if it was good news, we would of had it already.  It looks like they're having to wait for Google to agree to make changes on a contract they've already signed.  If Google say no, what can they do?  If Google do agree to some concessions, it doesn't change much because Getty/istock have demonstrated that they don't understand the value of our images and that there's nothing they wouldn't consider to make a quick buck at our expense.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ShadySue on February 01, 2013, 04:46
I'm wait this thread ShadySue, I'm new and don't sell in iStock.

Only a few posts on it just now, but check in in a few hours or tomorrow:
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=351109&page=1 (http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=351109&page=1)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: halfshag on February 01, 2013, 05:59
It's outrageous that iStockphoto & Co need this level of supervision by contributors and forums like this one.

Good luck with the first organised contributor led action tomorrow – a little bit of Microstock history in the making.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: CD123 on February 01, 2013, 07:59
It's outrageous that iStockphoto & Co need this level of supervision by contributors and forums like this one.

Good luck with the first organised contributor led action tomorrow – a little bit of Microstock history in the making.
+1
May you all rise to be counted and the ripple effect send a scary message to other agencies who disrespects their life giving contributors!!!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jjneff on February 01, 2013, 08:34
Count me in on this! glad to support this community and send a message
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: flotsom on February 01, 2013, 08:45
Istock have posted an update about google & microsft deals here: http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=351105&page=1 (http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=351105&page=1)
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Google Drive

Once again, we'd like to thank you for your continued patience. To reiterate from previous posts, royalties have been paid in connection with the Google Drive usage based on all consideration received by Getty Images under the licensing agreement. We understand your concerns relating to the deal and we are making progress in a productive dialogue with Google about these concerns and potential solutions. As many of you have pointed out Google is a big company, much bigger than Getty Images, and coordinating across the teams there that will help with any modifications is taking longer than we might have hoped, but things are still proceeding.

Microsoft

Based on your concerns, we have also been working with Microsoft over the past several months to bring resolution to the license that was set up in 2007. Over the next 60 days all imagery licensed as part of this promotional arrangement will be removed from the online version of Microsoft Office. Keep in mind though that all licenses that were granted by Microsoft prior to the removal of the content remain valid licenses under the terms of the Microsoft EULA. As previously explained, if you see instances where your content is being used without or contrary to the iStock or Microsoft license terms, please let us know at ce@istockphoto.com.

Our contributors are extremely important to us. We take very seriously our obligation of representing your creative work. While every deal is not perfect out of the gate, we strive to license your content in a financially beneficial manner and believe we largely succeed in this effort across the millions of customers and transactions completed each year. We are also working hard to make your content available to new customers in new uses through investments in marketing, technology and new business models. At the same time, we are investing heavily in technology, education and industry efforts to protect your copyrighted work and license your content responsibly.

Thanks again for your time, patience and constructive feedback.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sdeva on February 01, 2013, 09:07
Tweeted again today ..

https://twitter.com/sdeva/status/297344833452916737
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: etienjones on February 01, 2013, 09:10
Istock have posted an update about google & microsft deals here: [url]http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=351105&page=1[/url] ([url]http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=351105&page=1[/url])
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Google Drive

Once again, we'd like to thank you for your continued patience. To reiterate from previous posts, royalties have been paid in connection with the Google Drive usage based on all consideration received by Getty Images under the licensing agreement. We understand your concerns relating to the deal and we are making progress in a productive dialogue with Google about these concerns and potential solutions. As many of you have pointed out Google is a big company, much bigger than Getty Images, and coordinating across the teams there that will help with any modifications is taking longer than we might have hoped, but things are still proceeding.

Microsoft

Based on your concerns, we have also been working with Microsoft over the past several months to bring resolution to the license that was set up in 2007. Over the next 60 days all imagery licensed as part of this promotional arrangement will be removed from the online version of Microsoft Office. Keep in mind though that all licenses that were granted by Microsoft prior to the removal of the content remain valid licenses under the terms of the Microsoft EULA. As previously explained, if you see instances where your content is being used without or contrary to the iStock or Microsoft license terms, please let us know at ce@istockphoto.com.

Our contributors are extremely important to us. We take very seriously our obligation of representing your creative work. While every deal is not perfect out of the gate, we strive to license your content in a financially beneficial manner and believe we largely succeed in this effort across the millions of customers and transactions completed each year. We are also working hard to make your content available to new customers in new uses through investments in marketing, technology and new business models. At the same time, we are investing heavily in technology, education and industry efforts to protect your copyrighted work and license your content responsibly.

Thanks again for your time, patience and constructive feedback.




Seems like a bait and switch to me.  This was the best Post that I read from eelnosiva:

"Am I reading the same note from Lobo? Why all the contributor thanks? He's just announced that it has taken over 5 years to resolve the Microsoft debacle and no news on the Google deal despite a contributor revolt planned for tomorrow.


Am I missing something...?"


Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sdeva on February 01, 2013, 09:22
Just saw and posted it..

https://twitter.com/sdeva/status/297348273059020800
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: hofhoek on February 01, 2013, 09:29
I'm in(out). Removed most of my bestsellers a year ago. I try to deactivate my model released images.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: stockastic on February 01, 2013, 11:05
They've had plenty of time to make a serious response to the contributor kickback.  They've now turned on the fog machines and are teasing some sort of announcement for next week, because they want to blunt the impact of the bad publicity generated by D-Day by spreading out the deactivations.   The hope is that many contributors will at least delay pulling out for another week in hopes of some miracle; that will reduce the raw number of deactivations on D-Day itself, which is the only thing the trade press might report.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Anyka on February 01, 2013, 11:12
Let's do it.
Quoting the Generals in "The Longest Day" 24h before D-Day :  Gentlemen, it's on.  Next stop Normandy.
Good Luck.  Pity we don't have 4000 ships and 11000 planes ...
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: fritz on February 01, 2013, 11:20
I have a question.  If you're independent, can IS still include your photos in the Google Giveaway?  And if they do and you have those files at another agency, wouldn't agency #2 have a huge problem with that?
Apparently some independent contributors files are included in the Google deal but being independent means that other agencies don't get to have a problem with what you do elsewhere.
Yes, I'm the one with 2 images on GD and I'm independent. So, no protection for both!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: pixel86 on February 01, 2013, 11:23
They've had plenty of time to make a serious response to the contributor kickback.  They've now turned on the fog machines and are teasing some sort of announcement for next week, because they want to blunt the impact of the bad publicity generated by D-Day by spreading out the deactivations.   The hope is that many contributors will at least delay pulling out for another week in hopes of some miracle; that will reduce the raw number of deactivations on D-Day itself, which is the only thing the trade press might report.


You nailed it. Sadly, people keep falling for it.  :(
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on February 01, 2013, 11:24
They've had plenty of time to make a serious response to the contributor kickback.  They've now turned on the fog machines and are teasing some sort of announcement for next week, because they want to blunt the impact of the bad publicity generated by D-Day by spreading out the deactivations.   The hope is that many contributors will at least delay pulling out for another week in hopes of some miracle; that will reduce the raw number of deactivations on D-Day itself, which is the only thing the trade press might report.

I sincerely believe that the reason any response is delayed is because their response will be contingent on how big a response they get to D-Day.  If people who said they were going to pull images don't do it, or if there is less response than anticipated, they will NOT CHANGE ANYTHING of any significance. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: picture5469 on February 01, 2013, 11:29
By working together we can send a strong message that they need to consider us more carefully and distribute our content responsibility. Although they are a giant, we have strong support of strength in numbers.

If we let this issue slide, whats next?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: polar on February 01, 2013, 11:32
They've had plenty of time to make a serious response to the contributor kickback.  They've now turned on the fog machines and are teasing some sort of announcement for next week, because they want to blunt the impact of the bad publicity generated by D-Day by spreading out the deactivations.   The hope is that many contributors will at least delay pulling out for another week in hopes of some miracle; that will reduce the raw number of deactivations on D-Day itself, which is the only thing the trade press might report.

Yes, exactly right! This is precisely what I meant when I posted earlier: "I was thinking more along the lines of some kind of "cat among the pigeons" statement that might wave off people who are uncertain about participating in D-Day or those who still believe they'll offer a real solution at some point."

ETA: Unfortunately, I think it could work. :-(
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Batman on February 01, 2013, 11:42
By working together we can send a strong message that they need to consider us more carefully and distribute our content responsibility. Although they are a giant, we have strong support of strength in numbers.

If we let this issue slide, whats next?

D-Day don't let them trick us with more empty promises. If they respected us to start with we wouldn't have the last couple years of this  rubbish. I'm deleting all but one picture.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: CD123 on February 01, 2013, 11:47
As an outsider to this I just find it so hilarious that they can ban peoples buds of their forums left right and center (up to a few hours ago still) for just speaking their minds or indicating that they are unhappy with the situation. Now, 24 hours before D-Day, a general "We value you and are working hard in protecting you! We just need more time."

Sounds feeble, sounds cheap, sounds scared and should be by all means too little too late.
But your guys images and call to make, but I hope your blades are sharp and they bleed profusely  ;)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: ArenaCreative on February 01, 2013, 12:34
I have a question.  If you're independent, can IS still include your photos in the Google Giveaway?  And if they do and you have those files at another agency, wouldn't agency #2 have a huge problem with that?

Apparently some independent contributors files are included in the Google deal but being independent means that other agencies don't get to have a problem with what you do elsewhere.

Yes, I'm the one with 2 images on GD and I'm independent. So, no protection for both!


Same here.  I found 2 of mine already on google drive.  I guess that makes us "one of under 100 artists" according to istock's thread.  Wow, I feel so special.  Out of my 1300+ images on there, they chose one of my top selling images, of course.  You guys can read more of my rant and feelings in my most recent blog post http://arenacreative.com/blog/photography/microstock-related/microstock-deactivation-day-planned-for-feb-2/ (http://arenacreative.com/blog/photography/microstock-related/microstock-deactivation-day-planned-for-feb-2/)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: lisafx on February 01, 2013, 12:49
I hope you guys who are finding your images are also contacting the people who are organizing the class action suit. 
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on February 01, 2013, 12:57
They've had plenty of time to make a serious response to the contributor kickback.  They've now turned on the fog machines and are teasing some sort of announcement for next week, because they want to blunt the impact of the bad publicity generated by D-Day by spreading out the deactivations.   The hope is that many contributors will at least delay pulling out for another week in hopes of some miracle; that will reduce the raw number of deactivations on D-Day itself, which is the only thing the trade press might report.

I sincerely believe that the reason any response is delayed is because their response will be contingent on how big a response they get to D-Day.  If people who said they were going to pull images don't do it, or if there is less response than anticipated, they will NOT CHANGE ANYTHING of any significance.

I'm borrowing Lisa's fence again (can't find the post where she posted a picture), but it's about indecisiion about getting my whole portfolio (minus a token few old images to keep the account open) off vs. just the 1,000 I pledged.

They may need some time to amend the Google deal, but they could make commitments about future deals any time - they don't need Google to help them do that. That tells me they plan to keep right on running roughshod over contributors in pursuit of cash - no opt out, no access to the details of these arrangements, no notification or inclusion of contributors in this process whatsoever.

With the Microsoft deal, they said in the first thread that they wouldn't do a deal of that sort today. They haven't even hinted that they wouldn't repeat the Google deal - the reverse in fact. They talked about new business models and new places to sell our content.

As I don't have any images on Google Drive, my worry is about more of these deals. Hanging around until they do actually scr3w me seems pretty daft to me. They've basically signalled as clearly as they can how they intend to do business going forward.

The indecision is just that it's tough to walk away.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: stockastic on February 01, 2013, 13:13
It's been weeks and they haven't even been able to issue a coherent statement.   The deal with Google isn't going to change because it's between 2 big corporations, and it would be easier to turn an aircraft carrier around. 

What we'll get next week - if anything - will be standard corporate blather about communicating more effectively in the future, our contributors are important, future deals will be evaluated in light of the feelings that  have been expressed, yada yada yada.

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jbryson on February 01, 2013, 13:16
I believe they are listening. I believe that the collective group of contributors willing to take action to protect their rights is effective. I believe we are getting somewhere.

They have indicated that they are in discussion, acknowledging that our concerns are of interest to them. That is the first step. But, a train can't stop on a dime and this is a negotiation process that will reasonably take some time.

I would like to suggest that we remain banded together, on high alert, ready to move, and visible as a concerned group to the outside world.  But, that we acknowledge their initial response with a stated postponement of D-Day for 2 weeks pending more information. If we have no satisfying details regarding a revised agreement with Getty as well as their policy on such deals in the future, then we move to deactivate. That is not evidence of a weak position, but rather of a serious party in the heat of negotiation.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: flotsom on February 01, 2013, 13:17
Quote
We are also working hard to make your content available to new customers in new uses...
I think this part of their statement says it all - time to leave.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: picture5469 on February 01, 2013, 13:25
Quote
We are also working hard to make your content available to new customers in new uses...
I think this part of their statement says it all - time to leave.

Absolutely!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jbryson on February 01, 2013, 13:26
Quote
We are also working hard to make your content available to new customers in new uses...
I think this part of their statement says it all - time to leave.

Yes, that is a scary statement. But, a stated policy about parameters for such "new uses" may resolve our concerns. Perhaps we should give them 2 weeks to produce such a policy.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: SK on February 01, 2013, 13:26
Sorry, but I couldn't wait! Over the last two days I deleted 10% of my Photo portfolio. I also tossed in my crown for video. I am prepared to go further if Feb 2nd does not produce a positive result and if sales continue the decline.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on February 01, 2013, 13:39
...I would like to suggest that we remain banded together, on high alert, ready to move, and visible as a concerned group to the outside world.  But, that we acknowledge their initial response with a stated postponement of D-Day for 2 weeks pending more information. If we have no satisfying details regarding a revised agreement with Getty as well as their policy on such deals in the future, then we move to deactivate.

I disagree.

They aren't negotiating with us - they might be listening, but I tink the policies about future deals could be there now - they've had a couple of weeks to come up with that if they were so inclined. The Google deal might need more time to refine, but in the meantime, they're not putting anything on the table at all regarding their future actions. They couldn't even throw us a bone with a list of the images included or the planned final total. 

Postponing D-Day just means we're going to hear the same platitudes a couple of weeks from now, IMO.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Silberkorn on February 01, 2013, 13:51
...I would like to suggest that we remain banded together, on high alert, ready to move, and visible as a concerned group to the outside world.  But, that we acknowledge their initial response with a stated postponement of D-Day for 2 weeks pending more information. If we have no satisfying details regarding a revised agreement with Getty as well as their policy on such deals in the future, then we move to deactivate.

I disagree.

They aren't negotiating with us - they might be listening, but I tink the policies about future deals could be there now - they've had a couple of weeks to come up with that if they were so inclined. The Google deal might need more time to refine, but in the meantime, they're not putting anything on the table at all regarding their future actions. They couldn't even throw us a bone with a list of the images included or the planned final total. 

Postponing D-Day just means we're going to hear the same platitudes a couple of weeks from now, IMO.

That's true, unfortunately. Why did they not at least give us the lightboxes with the affected files? The takedown of kga's google search site went pretty quick compared to all other actions we are waiting for.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: pixel86 on February 01, 2013, 13:57
I believe they are listening. I believe that the collective group of contributors willing to take action to protect their rights is effective. I believe we are getting somewhere.

They have indicated that they are in discussion, acknowledging that our concerns are of interest to them. That is the first step. But, a train can't stop on a dime and this is a negotiation process that will reasonably take some time.

I would like to suggest that we remain banded together, on high alert, ready to move, and visible as a concerned group to the outside world.  But, that we acknowledge their initial response with a stated postponement of D-Day for 2 weeks pending more information. If we have no satisfying details regarding a revised agreement with Getty as well as their policy on such deals in the future, then we move to deactivate. That is not evidence of a weak position, but rather of a serious party in the heat of negotiation.


If this were their first infraction, what you are saying makes sense. But this is the billionth, and their words mean nothing. Time after time they have had epic fails.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on February 01, 2013, 14:16
Delaying now would signal lack of commitment and sincerity. The momentum that has built up would dissipate and the issue would "sort of go away" as Kelly Thomson would describe it.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: eurobanks on February 01, 2013, 16:57
I'm not waiting.  So far, I've deactivated 30 images, 7 of which were flames, and plan to pull even more.  I estimate that the 30 I removed have brought iStock/Thinkstock between $40k - $50k in revenue to date (my portion is waaaaay smaller), so they have lost some strong earners.   They are valuable to me, too, which is why I can't afford to have them floating around out there for free.  Fortunately, I dropped the exclusive crown over a year ago and can at least earn something on them elsewhere. 

Pulling my photos from iStock is going to have a significant impact on me financially, and since I reinvest a big portion of my earnings back into photography, my gear budget is going to take a hit.  Plans for purchases at Canon, Tamron, Adobe, B&H Photo, AlienBees, Kelby Training, and my local camera shop will have to be reduced or eliminated this year, depending on how things shake out across the board.   And worse, I'll have to slow down production of the photo project I've been working on for special needs kids.  My earnings are funding the project. 

What a shame.  This dirty deal is going to impact more than just the contributor.     
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: flotsom on February 01, 2013, 17:05
I only had a tiny portfolio with them which was looking to be quite a nice earner if I'd stayed long enough to build it up but I've deactivated already. Getty have proven that they cannot be trusted and only care about their own profit, the feeble 'updates' they've produced in the last few weeks are nothing more than spin, they're definitely not interested in negotiating.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: farbled on February 01, 2013, 17:49
I only had a tiny portfolio with them which was looking to be quite a nice earner if I'd stayed long enough to build it up but I've deactivated already. Getty have proven that they cannot be trusted and only care about their own profit, the feeble 'updates' they've produced in the last few weeks are nothing more than spin, they're definitely not interested in negotiating.

+1, mine was just a start on my much larger one to try them out. But I'm done, I couldn't wait around to see if any of my bestsellers got taken. The account is now closed, nothing of mine is left there or on any sub sites of theirs. They will pay me out within the next 30 days according to their email. I have to say I'm disappointed that I can't add another income stream there without the fear of giving images away. Thanks to this forum for making me aware of this. Much luck to everyone reagdless of your decision, see ya over at Shutterstock! ;)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on February 01, 2013, 18:02
I've already seen a boost in sales on the other sites after deactivating my best images with istock.  There's no delaying D-Day for me, I've been patiently waiting for the past few weeks so that we have a coordinated effort.  It will take some time to deactivate 500 more but that's what I pledged and that's what I'll do.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: fritz on February 01, 2013, 18:15
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Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: KuriousKat on February 01, 2013, 18:54
I have pulled all of my old StockXpert/Thinkstock account, 500 images, already and thankfully it was a very quick and easy process. Tomorrow I will pull the majority of my small Istock portfolio. This has gone on long enough with no credible answers, so let's have our actions speaking louder than words.

We should start a referral thread, so that anyone joining new agencies can pick from a list of links maybe?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: michaeldb on February 01, 2013, 21:00
Let's do it.
Quoting the Generals in "The Longest Day" 24h before D-Day :  Gentlemen, it's on.  Next stop Normandy.
Good Luck.  Pity we don't have 4000 ships and 11000 planes ...
:D But we probably have 4000 pictures of ships and 11000 pictures of planes. And I hope we deactivate them all. As the owner of one of the images on the infamous Google-Drive deal, I wish everyone in the East a happy D-Day, and everyone in the West a happy D-Day Eve.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: donding on February 01, 2013, 22:45
The worst thing that could happen....."SORRY...SITE DOWN FOR MAINTENANCE....PLEASE CHECK BACK LATER.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: elvinstar on February 01, 2013, 23:45
Looks like I deactivated my portfolio (except for 1 file that has never sold) just in time!

Full speed ahead!!
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: BlackJack on February 02, 2013, 01:15
Hi all. I need help please.
I wanted to start to delete my files but somehow I am to blind to find a delete button.
An advice on how to delete would be much appreciated.
Thank you.
Happy deactivation day to you all.  ;D
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Batman on February 02, 2013, 01:29
Looks like I deactivated my portfolio (except for 1 file that has never sold) just in time!

Full speed ahead!!

Working right now to do the same.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on February 02, 2013, 01:38
Hi all. I need help please.
I wanted to start to delete my files but somehow I am to blind to find a delete button.
An advice on how to delete would be much appreciated.
Thank you.
Happy deactivation day to you all.  ;D


The interface iStock provides is very painful. If you have the ability to use a greasemonkey script (it's javascript; you can use as is in Chrome or install greasemonkey in Firefox) Sean Locke wrote a wonderful one that lets you do the deactivations from the my_uploads page which is much faster. See here for a link  (http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/d-day-(deactivation-day)-on-istock-feb-2/msg291150/#msg291150)to the script

To use the iStock interface, bring up an image's page and at the bottom is an Administration link. Deactivate is there (you can't delete; only deactivate). You need to put in a reason so have something to paste.

My reason is I'm opting out of special "licensing" deals the only way you've left open to me
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: fisherss on February 02, 2013, 01:41
It's already Feb 2 here, I have done my 20 which was promised......
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: JPSDK on February 02, 2013, 01:43
Im deactivating, and it works, but it is slow. Reason is simple:
"Istock cannot distribute this file anymore."
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: gillian vann on February 02, 2013, 01:47
It's been weeks and they haven't even been able to issue a coherent statement. 

that's why I don't understand why everyone is thanking Lobo for saying... nothing at all.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: BlackJack on February 02, 2013, 01:52
Thank you so much jsnover.
First file deactivated.
Strange but good feeling. 8)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: BlackJack on February 02, 2013, 02:04
Next 10 where really funny. I think I found a new hobby and I happily recommend it to everybody.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Anyka on February 02, 2013, 02:05
Good morning everybody.  8 am in Belgium.  Opening Firefox right now.  I'm really in the mood for some deactivating ...
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: enstoker on February 02, 2013, 02:28
Thank you so much jsnover.
First file deactivated.
Strange but good feeling. 8)
.  Maybe a heart for Jo ?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: RGebbiePhoto on February 02, 2013, 02:42
Jumped the gun by an hour, only because our internet is hit or miss, mostly, and I have a good connection RIGHT NOW. lol
Thanks to Sean for the greasemonkey script! WOW, that was easy!!
263 in my "iStock Deactivation" mail folder. One left on site, in case they decide to pay me what is still in my bank.
And I've never felt so relieved to have that monkey off of our backs! :D
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: BlackJack on February 02, 2013, 02:45
@enstoker: You are right of course. Thank you for reminding. And one for you. :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: gillian vann on February 02, 2013, 02:51
I've done about 20 today, plus I've been randomly deleting files this past week. Zero uploading.

I'm bemused by the "We regret to inform you that image # has been deactivated from the iStockphoto database of Royalty Free Images".

Why do they need to inform me of something I did? Why not, "we're sorry to see you go" or something friendlier?

it's a very sad day.

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: BlackJack on February 02, 2013, 03:09
Need help again please.
I only have two photos left and I want to keep one in my portfolio at least for now.
My problem is I cannot decide which photo to keep.
1.Photo of a beautiful pink flower
2. Photo of a moldy,rotten apple
Such a hard decision.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on February 02, 2013, 03:38
Keep both photos - a yin and yang of sorts :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: dhanford on February 02, 2013, 03:42
I still have illustrations up, for now at iStock, but the last 8 of my photos are deactivated.  :)

@Blackjack, I agree with JoAnn, leave them both.  It will give them something to think about.  ;)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: MikLav on February 02, 2013, 03:56
ok - removed 200 as planned. Thanks to Shaun's script that was very easy.
Will do some more later...
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sarah2 on February 02, 2013, 03:56
I know I should have looked at this before, and I know the info is here somewhere in this thread....

I don't have/want greasemonkey but do want to delete pics and I can't see on the site where to do this.
Can somebody please point me in the right direction?

Thanks.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: MikLav on February 02, 2013, 04:03
Sarah - it was explained just a few posts above:

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To use the iStock interface, bring up an image's page and at the bottom is an Administration link. Deactivate is there (you can't delete; only deactivate). You need to put in a reason so have something to paste.

My reason is I'm opting out of special "licensing" deals the only way you've left open to me
However installing Greasemonkey and the script is very easy, very fast, and doesn't have any impact on your browsing other internet page.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: dhanford on February 02, 2013, 04:04
Up further on this page, Jsnover posted a link to the GreaseMonkey script that Sean made.  :)
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Anyka on February 02, 2013, 04:11
OK, I really had fun this morning :  instead of the (promised) 500, I deactivated 1052.  I first did the sensitive ones (photos of which I knew the models would really hate to be given away for free), and then I added lots of old stuff, just to add some "bulk".  Old stuff, because that way I won't be tempted to reactivate them afterwards. 
Whoever is doing any counting, I did 552 more than listed.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sharpshot on February 02, 2013, 04:30
I pledged to deactivate 500 but lost count and ended up doing 547.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: bolsher on February 02, 2013, 04:32
Hey, i want to deactivate my files too, but how can i do this?
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Microbius on February 02, 2013, 04:35
Hey, i want to deactivate my files too, but how can i do this?
Click on the image then the "administration" tab, you get a deactivate option there. Alternatively use Sean's greasemonkey script.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: bolsher on February 02, 2013, 05:11
So, i have deactivated all files with 1 or more downloads. = 120 of 200
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: guenterguni on February 02, 2013, 05:12
Deactivated a few, mainly as support to al the great fighters here and as a sign to iStock.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: MichaelJayFoto on February 02, 2013, 05:22
I deactivated 26 today (as I had already removed about 200 a few weeks ago).
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: jm on February 02, 2013, 05:25
Quote
…Google is a big company, much bigger than Getty Images, and coordinating across the teams…

Translated to human language: They are bigger - they ignore us, we are bigger - we ignore you.
That's what we call: "System of falling bul***it.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Clairev on February 02, 2013, 05:31
I removed 260 illustrations from my small portfolio there.
(I am not uploading on istock for several years, I really need to see significant changes
to resume upload there.).

And thanks for the script.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: sarah2 on February 02, 2013, 05:41
"To use the iStock interface, bring up an image's page and at the bottom is an Administration link. Deactivate is there"

I see no Admin link....

?????

Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: suemack on February 02, 2013, 05:46
It's under the photo details on the right of the image Sarah. But check that you are logged in, I've been logged out several times today.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on February 02, 2013, 05:47
"To use the iStock interface, bring up an image's page and at the bottom is an Administration link. Deactivate is there"

I see no Admin link....

?????

Are you signed in? Bottom right are three links - Ratings, Administration and Metadata - but only when you're signed in
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Microbius on February 02, 2013, 05:48
"To use the iStock interface, bring up an image's page and at the bottom is an Administration link. Deactivate is there"

I see no Admin link....

?????
Also it is on the normal image page when logged in, not on the "edit" page, that is where I got caught out at first.
Title: Re: D-Day (Deactivation Day) on Istock - Feb 2
Post by: Anyka on February 02, 2013, 05:49
"To use the iStock interface, bring up an image's page and at the bottom is an Administration link. Deactivate is there"

I see no Admin link....

 ??? ??
Also it is on the normal image page when logged