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« Reply #500 on: January 24, 2013, 13:20 »
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Feb 2nd projected total is now 39,328+ deactivated or deleted files

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lisafx

« Reply #501 on: January 24, 2013, 13:22 »
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I guess you can't read bold. You're like politicians, both in implying and not admitting anything even if the proof is right in front of them. Of course, they're lies.

Oh good, more insults and personal attacks.   You continue to prove my playground analogy.  ::)

Just do what's right on the 2nd. I'll be watching your deactivations carefully. You, as the initiator of this mass deactivation movement, have an obligation to make a stand and that means deleting most, if not all of your flames.

And now you can say I'm telling you what to do. Exactly, I'm telling you what's expected of you. You put yourself out there after all ;)

First off, thanks very much for crediting me with starting this movement.  I am honored, but can only take credit for starting the thread here, not the movement.  It was Sean Locke who took the lead bringing this to light, and others on the Istock forums who chose Feb 2nd as deactivation day (sorry, I would credit them here if I could manage to find who first posted that idea).

Yes, indeed it has been you all along telling people what to do.  Glad to see you have admitted it. 

As far as watching what I deactivate, if you are expecting me to start with my flames and work backward you are going to be disappointed.  Like a number of others here,  I am going to delete in stages, and starting with the older stuff. 

If you don't like that, I will have to just cry in my corn flakes.  The only people whose "expectations" matter to me are my family, and I can assure you I am discussing every phase of this situation and my plans to deal with it with them. 

Sorry if you feel let down, but I don't plan to be goaded into hasty and intemperate action by a random person on a forum, particularly one who joined all of two weeks ago. 

CJ6

    This user is banned.
« Reply #502 on: January 24, 2013, 13:23 »
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Please use your brain people, make logical decisions ;)

you got one? it has PRICK written on it?

Who are you, anyway? What is the reason behind your personal attacks?

« Reply #503 on: January 24, 2013, 13:24 »
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Hi Lisa,

 I think you were probably misunderstood. That happens a lot on forums sometimes it is a language barrier sometimes it is because they didn't read the entire post and sometimes it is because they have their own position and when they read your words they are misinterpreted because of what they already believe. I can see from reading a lot of the posts here that this is a very emotionally charged conversation for some. My only advice when making business decisions is to remove yourself emotionally as much as you can from your decision making. I know that is easier said than done but I would be out looking for as much solid information as possible rather than speculating.
 Here are replies to three posts that I feel are speculation and not based on fact. Getty did not make a huge sale here if you knew the sale price it would blow your mind, very small. Getty did not make a deal to continue to feed Google anymore content and last Hughstoneian Getty makes $1 million dollars a year off of just my sales, they actually make more and if I deleted my account they would not bat an eye.
 So my concern on this deal is that if you want to really make a stand and have people take notice you have to pull your entire collection especially the best sellers or don't bother. To remove your bottom feeder images is only helping Istock and Getty out by clearing out the trash to add new stronger content, this has to hurt Istock in order to work.
 Once again this is only my opinion but it is based on some facts like the price they made for this sale. It was peanuts to Getty so I do not think Getty wants Google to take over their business these are very savvy business people that want to and hopefully will make Getty stronger I guarantee that is what Getty wants in the long run. Keep up the info sharing I think that is always a good idea but be carful not to believe all you read without first doing some investigating.

Best,
Jonathan

Jonathan, I take it from your refusal to answer my question that Blend did negotiate about the placement of images in the Google deal. I mean, you haven't denied it.

« Reply #504 on: January 24, 2013, 13:26 »
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Please use your brain people, make logical decisions ;)

you got one? it has PRICK written on it?

Who are you, anyway? What is the reason behind your personal attacks?

I am one of the 5 Millions guys sick of you and your mental issue, get a shrink or some friends because we don't need to deal with your deep issues everyday

Reef

  • astonmars.com
« Reply #505 on: January 24, 2013, 13:27 »
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A quote from someone on iStock

"Getty and iStock must understand that they only distribute our content, they are not the owners of it."

This is why I support the Feb 2nd movement.

« Reply #506 on: January 24, 2013, 13:33 »
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Now, the shoe is on the other foot and its retaliation time, taking it all back time, etc and now most here are peeing themselves.

But you know, this actually isn't what's going on here at all.  This is not a case of microstock images being given away for free.  It is GETTY images - the expensive stuff - being given away for free.   This isn't the trads getting back at the micros.  This is Getty slitting its own throat for short term profit. 

Your glee at others misfortune has been duly noted Christian.  Why don't you give it a rest.  Even I have put you on ignore now, and I am usually one of your defenders.  Your gloating is both uninformed and unseemly.

How can you say that Lisa?  when I will get hit just as much as anybody else? when I sit in exactly the same boat as everybody else. I find that quite absurd.
The differance is, I have learnt with time that nothing in this business is a lasting affair. I actually told you years back in this forum that sooner or later we will get hit. Everybody laughed then, etc, etc and so on.

Now Yuri is getting blamed for uploading instead of deactivating. If it came to join forces with ppl like you and a few others, yes I would indeed BUT the rest of the screamers,  no way, none can be trusted further then you could throw them.

For your info. Last week I spent sometime not just deactivating but closing my entire accounts with 3 agencies. I dont deactivaste, I delete! big differance.

Havent you asked yourself why these big-shots are not deactivating  NOW?  why wait? and why just deactivating? why not show them hell and DELETE?

Or could it be that they want the best of two worlds perhaps?  that will never happen Lisa. :)

PM me not here but on my private mail. Got some extraordinary news for you........... but not here.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2013, 13:37 by ClaridgeJ »

ShadySue

« Reply #507 on: January 24, 2013, 13:35 »
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Feb 2nd projected total is now 39,328+ deactivated or deleted files

Some more from the iStock forum

One person who said at the beginning, over on iStock,that they were going to start deactivating their whole port right away now has over 100 files more than they had at that time.
I'm not denying their right to change their mind, and other people may deactivate who have not announced their intention to do so.

lisafx

« Reply #508 on: January 24, 2013, 13:36 »
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Hi Lisa,

 I think you were probably misunderstood. That happens a lot on forums sometimes it is a language barrier sometimes it is because they didn't read the entire post and sometimes it is because they have their own position and when they read your words they are misinterpreted because of what they already believe. I can see from reading a lot of the posts here that this is a very emotionally charged conversation for some. My only advice when making business decisions is to remove yourself emotionally as much as you can from your decision making. I know that is easier said than done but I would be out looking for as much solid information as possible rather than speculating.


Jonathan, as usual a well reasoned and informed post :)

I particularly agree with the highlighted portion above, and fully intend to follow it.  I would imagine that most of us who have managed to build successful stock photography businesses already possess the ability to separate business decisions from emotion, although we may still have strong feelings about the business. 


CJ6

    This user is banned.
« Reply #509 on: January 24, 2013, 13:37 »
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As far as watching what I deactivate, if you are expecting me to start with my flames and work backward you are going to be disappointed.  Like a number of others here,  I am going to delete in stages, and starting with the older stuff. 


That's all I wanted to hear. **, I'm good.

Just so we're clear, you yourself are not going to do absolutely anything to send a message or hurt GI or protect your IP. The only message it'll be and GI will get is: I took out the trash for you, doing your work for you. And what others here will see: She started a thread, so many of us have deleted our ports or at least our bestseller, we did everything we could to make it work, to send a strong message. While she kept on selling her bestsellers and increased her earnings because she had less good images to compete with. I have to admit, you indeed are a smart woman. Great plan!

And of course it's not just you, there are other BDs (or lower canisters, but you folks are the people who can make the difference and others look up to), as pointed out, Yuri etc. I'm just saying, you're no better than them.

P.S. It's not a personal attack, it's just pointing out to people not at all attempting to do what they say they're trying to do.

« Reply #510 on: January 24, 2013, 13:37 »
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Havent you asked yourself why these big-shots are not deactivating  NOW?  why wait? and why just deactivating? why not show them hell and DELETE?

1 - you have 16 flames active at iStock
2 - you have files uploaded on January 18th
3 - what . are you talking about?

now we have CJ6 and ClaridgeJ, isn't it boring to logout and login?

« Reply #511 on: January 24, 2013, 13:43 »
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As far as watching what I deactivate, if you are expecting me to start with my flames and work backward you are going to be disappointed.  Like a number of others here,  I am going to delete in stages, and starting with the older stuff. 


That's all I wanted to hear. **, I'm good.

Just so we're clear, you yourself are not going to do absolutely anything to send a message or hurt GI or protect your IP. The only message it'll be and GI will get is: I took out the trash for you, doing your work for you. And what others here will see: She started a thread, so many of us have deleted our ports or at least our bestseller, we did everything we could to make it work, to send a strong message. While she kept on selling her bestsellers and increased her earnings because she had less good images to compete with. I have to admit, you indeed are a smart woman. Great plan!

And of course it's not just you, there are other BDs (or lower canisters, but you folks are the people who can make the difference and others look up to), as pointed out, Yuri etc. I'm just saying, you're no better than them.

P.S. It's not a personal attack, it's just pointing out to people not at all attempting to do what they say they're trying to do.
You're making a big fool of yourself.  I think I was the one that said I was going to deactivate files on February 1st and then someone mentioned ground hog day on the 2end and that seemed like a good day to coordinate it.  What images we deactivate is up to us, not you.  Personally I've already deleted my best images.  It would be nice if everyone else did that but I fully understand that not everyone is willing to take the big risk I'm taking.

Lisa has done nothing wrong here other than to reply to an idiot like you.  Who are you by the way?

« Reply #512 on: January 24, 2013, 13:50 »
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^^^If it is, why doesn't Leaf just ban him for good?  He can go back to annoying people on the alamy forum then.

lisafx

« Reply #513 on: January 24, 2013, 13:52 »
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As far as watching what I deactivate, if you are expecting me to start with my flames and work backward you are going to be disappointed.  Like a number of others here,  I am going to delete in stages, and starting with the older stuff. 


That's all I wanted to hear. **, I'm good.

Just so we're clear, you yourself are not going to do absolutely anything to send a message or hurt GI or protect your IP. The only message it'll be and GI will get is: I took out the trash for you, doing your work for you. And what others here will see: She started a thread, so many of us have deleted our ports or at least our bestseller, we did everything we could to make it work, to send a strong message. While she kept on selling her bestsellers and increased her earnings because she had less good images to compete with. I have to admit, you indeed are a smart woman. Great plan!

And of course it's not just you, there are other BDs (or lower canisters, but you folks are the people who can make the difference and others look up to), as pointed out, Yuri etc. I'm just saying, you're no better than them.

P.S. It's not a personal attack, it's just pointing out to people not at all attempting to do what they say they're trying to do.

Awful lot of flames and judgment you are throwing from behind your wall of anonymity there....  ::)

Again, I don't have to defend myself or my actions to you.  I've been clear from the beginning about how I intend to handle this. If you had read the earlier pages of this thread none of this would have come as a shock to you anyway. 


ETA:  Sharpshot's right - Strike that^^.   No point in continuing to reply to this nonsense.   

And Kuddos, BTW, Sharpshot - I didn't know you were the one to get the ball rolling on this, but good for you!  :D

@Luis - I'm beginning to wonder if you are right about who CJ6 is.  If it is, in fact, Christian, then I am quite surprised that someone who has always pretended be my friend has such a low opinion of me. 
« Last Edit: January 24, 2013, 14:12 by lisafx »

Reef

  • astonmars.com
« Reply #514 on: January 24, 2013, 14:03 »
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This whole topic certainly raises some complex issues that are hard to deal with.

I dont believe this is about making a decision based on business or passion.

Its about what is right and wrong.

Its as simple as that, and yet its not.

It may seem illogical to say, but every cloud has a silver lining.

Poncke

« Reply #515 on: January 24, 2013, 14:08 »
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everybody is working on deactivating and or deleting pictures while some are still uploading, one of them is Yuri, he is meeting with GI next Monday right, what will he say? Hi guys, I am still uploading so go ahead with more google stuff, how about yahoo? ::)
I've noticed that several of the BDs are still uploading.
Hardly surprising. They're mostly wearing solid-gold handcuffs that prevent them doing anything without suffering a catastrophic fall in their income.
I think I could scrape by on the money Yuri makes from the sites other than Getty/istock :)

Yeah, the thing is that the independent black diamonds are the exception rather than the rule. If you know that come what may you won't deactivate your portfolio or hand in  your crown and your future is entirely in Getty's hands, then it's valid to ask whether you should rock the boat or do anything to depart from your usual business activities. I'm not passing any judgement, I'm just saying I can understand why they might carry on regardless.
Isnt the saying someones dead is someone elses bread? At least its a saying where I come from. With all those people deleting images, someone else must get more sales.

Poncke

« Reply #516 on: January 24, 2013, 14:10 »
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everybody is working on deactivating and or deleting pictures while some are still uploading, one of them is Yuri, he is meeting with GI next Monday right, what will he say? Hi guys, I am still uploading so go ahead with more google stuff, how about yahoo? ::)

Yuri will take care of Yuri. He's not about community or the good of the industry as far as I can tell. He's entitled to run his business as he sees fit, but IMO no one else should think of him as in any way coming to the rescue of other people whose tit is caught in the wringer
No one will come to Yuri's rescue either when he is being sued for something that concerns the community as well. The glasses debacle. When he loses that case, we all lose. Not criticizing your comment though, just my thoughts.  ;)

« Reply #517 on: January 24, 2013, 14:16 »
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everybody is working on deactivating and or deleting pictures while some are still uploading, one of them is Yuri, he is meeting with GI next Monday right, what will he say? Hi guys, I am still uploading so go ahead with more google stuff, how about yahoo? ::)

Yuri will take care of Yuri. He's not about community or the good of the industry as far as I can tell. He's entitled to run his business as he sees fit, but IMO no one else should think of him as in any way coming to the rescue of other people whose tit is caught in the wringer
No one will come to Yuri's rescue either when he is being sued for something that concerns the community as well. The glasses debacle. When he loses that case, we all lose. Not criticizing your comment though, just my thoughts.  ;)

indeed but what do we know from the glasses lawsuit? 2 months and half and he haven't add anything else, I believe we will have the same reply from the meeting with GI

Poncke

« Reply #518 on: January 24, 2013, 14:29 »
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^^^If it is, why doesn't Leaf just ban him for good?  He can go back to annoying people on the alamy forum then.
My thoughts exactly

« Reply #519 on: January 24, 2013, 14:32 »
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^^^If it is, why doesn't Leaf just ban him for good?  He can go back to annoying people on the alamy forum then.
My thoughts exactly

+1

Poncke

« Reply #520 on: January 24, 2013, 14:33 »
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« Last Edit: March 22, 2013, 13:55 by Poncke »

« Reply #521 on: January 24, 2013, 14:37 »
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Havent you asked yourself why these big-shots are not deactivating  NOW?  why wait? and why just deactivating? why not show them hell and DELETE?

1 - you have 16 flames active at iStock
2 - you have files uploaded on January 18th
3 - what . are you talking about?

now we have CJ6 and ClaridgeJ, isn't it boring to logout and login?

a year back my friend I deleted 7 blue flames and over 20 red flames. Not for this reason but for uploading them as macro RF.

just for the info. I havent got the lightest idea of who or what this CJ6 person is, might be an extention of MI6 I suppose.

Last week I deleted and closed my accounts at 3 other agencies. I go all the way and delete not JUST deactivate, anybody can do that.

No not at IS and why should I?  you mean to join the losers. No thanks.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2013, 14:40 by ClaridgeJ »

« Reply #522 on: January 24, 2013, 15:01 »
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Can you people take your elementary school playground energy and try to focus it in the subject at hand instead of trying to one up bitch-slap your peers with your wittiness?  No wonder nothing ever gets done around here.

« Reply #523 on: January 24, 2013, 15:04 »
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Ok.  I've cleaned up the thread a little bit (at least the last 15 or so posts)..

Two members were banned.  One was given a time out (temp ban) and the other was banned for good.

Let's stick to the topic and cool down on the insults / personal attacks.  If you insist on attacking others you'll join the cool down party.

« Reply #524 on: January 24, 2013, 15:07 »
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Thanks Leaf!!


 

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