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« Reply #100 on: November 25, 2013, 08:35 »
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So it seems that is for sure a small difference between love and late...
Upload from "main divison of public iStock enemies" is again alive and kicking!

« Last Edit: November 25, 2013, 08:39 by borg »


« Reply #101 on: November 25, 2013, 14:19 »
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So it seems that is for sure a small difference between love and late...
Upload from "main divison of public iStock enemies" is again alive and kicking!
It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
― Alfred Adler

Ron

« Reply #102 on: November 25, 2013, 14:33 »
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So it seems that is for sure a small difference between love and late...
Upload from "main divison of public iStock enemies" is again alive and kicking!
It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
― Alfred Adler
Did anyone declare its against there principles to submit to IS for whatever reason?

I think we are all making business decisions which is different from having a principle about it. I dont have principles at all when it comes to stock.

« Reply #103 on: November 25, 2013, 16:00 »
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Interests (read money) is main part of all principles...

Ron

« Reply #104 on: November 25, 2013, 16:02 »
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That doesnt make sense to me.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #105 on: November 25, 2013, 17:14 »
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aka expediency.

« Reply #106 on: November 25, 2013, 17:16 »
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« Last Edit: May 12, 2014, 00:35 by Audi 5000 »

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #107 on: November 25, 2013, 17:18 »
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Getty sales are showing up in the stats  ;D
Oh  :'(

« Reply #108 on: November 25, 2013, 17:18 »
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« Last Edit: May 12, 2014, 00:35 by Audi 5000 »

Ron

« Reply #109 on: November 25, 2013, 17:39 »
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aka expediency.

the quality of being convenient and practical despite possibly being improper or immoral; convenience.

Really? Are we now all immoral?

I really dont get all these big words and I also dont think they apply to the situation at hand.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #110 on: November 25, 2013, 17:59 »
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I think it does, to an extent.
Most of us don't like some of the things Getty/iS has done, are doing, and might do in the future; yet it still suits us to remain there in varying degrees.
That's expediency.
(Some people have felt strongly enough to leave altogether.)
« Last Edit: November 25, 2013, 18:05 by ShadySue »

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #111 on: November 25, 2013, 18:12 »
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Getty sales are showing up in the stats  ;D
Oh  :'(
Just started, it usually takes a couple hours to complete.
  :)

EmberMike

« Reply #112 on: November 25, 2013, 22:25 »
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...I only resumed this month, after not uploading for nearly a year.  The reason, in my case, was an unexpected windfall in PP earnings for October.  As much as I am dissatisfied with Istock on many issues, the Istock income combined with PP places them near the top of my earnings list...

Same here. I don't know what happened in October but wow did the PP sales kick into high gear. istock went from a low earner to #2 in October for me. Pretty amazing.

drd

« Reply #113 on: November 26, 2013, 05:09 »
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Getty sales are showing up in the stats  ;D

It is not plural for my GI's.

« Reply #114 on: November 26, 2013, 11:35 »
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1 month

drd

« Reply #115 on: November 26, 2013, 11:56 »
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only 1 sale.

Beppe Grillo

« Reply #116 on: November 26, 2013, 11:59 »
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« Reply #117 on: November 26, 2013, 12:10 »
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drd

« Reply #118 on: November 26, 2013, 12:24 »
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« Last Edit: November 27, 2013, 04:10 by drd »

lisafx

« Reply #119 on: November 27, 2013, 00:34 »
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aka expediency.

the quality of being convenient and practical despite possibly being improper or immoral; convenience.

Really? Are we now all immoral?

I really dont get all these big words and I also dont think they apply to the situation at hand.

Not arguing with either Ron, or Liz, but just to generally comment on the "morality" of continuing to upload to a site you have some complaints about:  It is impossible to classify that as either moral or immoral.  Too many variables. 

For some people, it might be considered quite immoral to continue doing business with an agency whose conduct they find objectionable. 

For others, it might be considered immoral to close their account and deprive their family of a significant and needed source of income. 

What's moral is all a matter of perspective.

stockphotoeurope

« Reply #120 on: November 27, 2013, 02:54 »
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I couldn't agree more with Lisa's post above.

And in addition to that, I would invite everyone to calculate their RPD in October - calculated as total earnings / no. of downloads including both regular sales and subscriptions, and pp where available.

In my case, it is surprisingly similar for the 3 major sites (SS, IS, FT); and actually lower for many of the smaller sites. And RPD seems like a quite objective index to me, not subject to easy manipulation as RPI.

So it's neither moral nor immoral, it's simply irrelevant - for me at least - to continue to hate or love any particular site based on what we repeat over and over to ourselves on forums: a reality check - updated at regular intervals, as things change over time - is needed if we wish to make sound business decisions instead of keep quarreling with fellow photographers.
« Last Edit: November 27, 2013, 03:44 by stockphotoeurope »

Ron

« Reply #121 on: November 27, 2013, 03:41 »
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aka expediency.

the quality of being convenient and practical despite possibly being improper or immoral; convenience.

Really? Are we now all immoral?

I really dont get all these big words and I also dont think they apply to the situation at hand.

Not arguing with either Ron, or Liz, but just to generally comment on the "morality" of continuing to upload to a site you have some complaints about:  It is impossible to classify that as either moral or immoral.  Too many variables. 

For some people, it might be considered quite immoral to continue doing business with an agency whose conduct they find objectionable. 

For others, it might be considered immoral to close their account and deprive their family of a significant and needed source of income. 

What's moral is all a matter of perspective.
I agree with that completely, but in several comments it was determined to be immoral, etc.

« Reply #122 on: November 27, 2013, 05:11 »
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I couldn't agree more with Lisa's post above.

And in addition to that, I would invite everyone to calculate their RPD in October - calculated as total earnings / no. of downloads including both regular sales and subscriptions, and pp where available.

In my case, it is surprisingly similar for the 3 major sites (SS, IS, FT); and actually lower for many of the smaller sites. And RPD seems like a quite objective index to me, not subject to easy manipulation as RPI.

So it's neither moral nor immoral, it's simply irrelevant - for me at least - to continue to hate or love any particular site based on what we repeat over and over to ourselves on forums: a reality check - updated at regular intervals, as things change over time - is needed if we wish to make sound business decisions instead of keep quarreling with fellow photographers.

Completely agree!

Morality has nothing with your or my business,especially in microstock, we are not taking someone's land to build there our own business...
But the attitude that we present here is something quite different...
Attitude with interest on first place is visible today in many aspects of society... That is main cause of crisis...
« Last Edit: November 27, 2013, 05:16 by borg »

« Reply #123 on: November 27, 2013, 06:44 »
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It had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with morality. It was always about self-interest. There have really only ever been two considerations: can I (or we) put sufficient pressure on iStock to persuade them to stop doing things that we consider are against our interests; and does making our work available to iStock risk destroying the value of that work (e.g. if it is effectively orphaned on Google Drive, devalued by price changes or whatever).

It is perfectly rational to decide to try to protect your interests by not uploading if you conclude the effort is not worth the return, and it is rational to resume uploading if the apparent rate of return changes. Similarly, if you calculate that any loss you might suffer from Google Drive is less than the profit from remaining with iStock, it is rational to stay on.

I think people are confusing morality with indignation. There's been a lot of anger and indignation over perceived injustices towards suppliers, such as cutting commissions or forcing images into one collection or another, but that's purely the reaction of people who feel they are being exploited. Nobody is making sacrifices for the sake of others, though a few may be sacrificing potential earnings because they feel insulted and abused, and have other income so they can afford to tell GI where to shove it.

For most of us, I'm pretty sure it's not love or hate, it's just about the money.



« Last Edit: November 27, 2013, 06:47 by BaldricksTrousers »

« Reply #124 on: November 27, 2013, 06:51 »
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It had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with morality. It was always about self-interest. There have really only ever been two considerations: can I (or we) put sufficient pressure on iStock to persuade them to stop doing things that we consider are against our interests; and does making our work available to iStock risk destroying the value of that work (e.g. if it is effectively orphaned on Google Drive, devalued by price changes or whatever).

It is perfectly rational to decide to try to protect your interests by not uploading if you conclude the effort is not worth the return, and it is rational to resume uploading if the apparent rate of return changes. Similarly, if you calculate that any loss you might suffer from Google Drive is less than the profit from remaining with iStock, it is rational to stay on.

I think people are confusing morality with indignation. There's been a lot of anger and indignation over perceived injustices towards suppliers, such as cutting commissions or forcing images into one collection or another, but that's purely the reaction of people who feel they are being exploited. Nobody is making sacrifices for the sake of others, though a few may be sacrificing potential earnings because they feel insulted and abused, and have other income so they can afford to tell GI where to shove it.

I agree, I remember you saying that they weren't worth your time etc you even reported very low sales on those newest files, are you back resuming because of ThinkStock?


 

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