Author Topic: November stats are up (Read 2507 times)

ShadySue · « **on:** December 17, 2024, 19:51 »

FWIW, Nov was my 3rd BMY for $$$, not far below the 2nd best. My 2024 $ was already above 2023's at the end of October, so

(I've uploaded a LOT for me this year).

$$$ quite a bit lower than Nov 2023 due to a lower rpd, but better than Novs 2018 - 2022 inclusive.

2x "AI Services" netting a total of $3.13

Good luck everyone.

zeljkok · « **Reply #1 on:** December 17, 2024, 21:17 »

Better than average IS month. Almost double than SS, about 10% better than Alamy (despite 5 Alamy sales), but ~20% worse than Adobe. Won't even bother with Deadtime
1 larger sale (editorial) saved the day. But regardless I will never be able to get over 15%

cobalt · « **Reply #2 on:** December 17, 2024, 23:38 »

44 dollars and no payout

there is an interesting message that there will be weighted dataset earnings of 50%

to be reported once a year with december earnings

DaLiu · « **Reply #3 on:** December 18, 2024, 02:21 »

A little bit worst than usual but in general November is one of my slowest months, usually with travel material is slowing down during this month. Can't complain, I'm talking in general about 10-20% less than a normal month.

Pacesetter · « **Reply #4 on:** December 18, 2024, 03:47 »

While earnings were 26% below last month, they were over 8% higher than November 2023 and the best November so far. According to the exported results, video RPD was $3.80 and photo RPD was $0.67.

ShadySue · « **Reply #5 on:** December 18, 2024, 04:11 »

Quote from: cobalt on December 17, 2024, 23:38

there is an interesting message that there will be weighted dataset earnings of 50%

to be reported once a year with december earnings

That was ambiguous, I wasn't sure whether they meant 'Nov earnings reported in Dec or Dec earnings reported in Jan, but when I looked further it was clearly Nov earnings reported in Dec. That's where I got my $3.31 from 2 "AI services" ... ~~but right now I forget where I saw that figure last night.~~

Found it. I uploaded the Connect stats to TodayIs20 (wish I hadn't, depressing) and now it shows there inder "Stats by product type"

synthetick · « **Reply #6 on:** December 18, 2024, 06:06 »

I left my iStock portfolio to gather dust after I quit exclusivity in 2014, and after that earnings kept slowly decreasing. However I have revitalised it recently and as this year closes to an end I am happy that I have managed to take my earnings back to above 2017 levels. I also wanted to say that this is the fourth month in a row that my iS image/vector RPD has been higher than my Adobe image/vector RPD, which is actually pretty remarkable considering that the non-exclusive image royalty rate on iS is only 15% and non-exclusive vector royalty rate on iS is only 20%. As for videos, I did a major revitalisation on iS this year, replacing old hundreds of old HD renders with 4K versions, and had some initial downturns in sales as a result, but it is picking up satisfactorily. I still am dismayed though by how low iS/Getty sells our videos, so Adobe is my preferred video agency.

JustAnImage · « **Reply #7 on:** December 18, 2024, 07:45 »

I just ran my stats through TodayIs20 (thanks @ShadySue for the tip):

The following entry can be found there:
- AISERVICES 11.39$ 6 sales

I have roughly the same portfolio on all platforms - about 25,000 photos and 4,500 videos (without AI material) - these have generated Dataset Earnings in 2024 as follows:
- Pond5: $1,141.42
- AdobeStock: $526.98
- Shutter: $292.20
- BigStock: $114.77
- Deposit: $114.25
- Alamy: $100.82
- Getty/IStock: $11.39

Getty/IStock's payout to Dataset Earnings for ‘October 1, 2023 to September 30, 2024’ (according to Getty) is truly the biggest joke of the year.

An extra ‘Exiting News’ mail would actually have been due for such a rip-off of the contributors!
I'm really lost for words here - and that doesn't happen often

stoker2014 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 18, 2024, 08:10 »

Quote from: JustAnImage on December 18, 2024, 07:45

I just ran my stats through TodayIs20 (thanks @ShadySue for the tip):

The following entry can be found there:
- AISERVICES

If you download the pdf file, you can see detailed statistics there. In November, I also see income from AISERVICES, but I also see that Getty gives me only 20% of this income.

JustAnImage · « **Reply #9 on:** December 18, 2024, 08:34 »

@Stoker2014: Thanks for the hint with the .pdf

I found these two lines there:
- AISERVICES United States of America 41.07 varies 6.54
- AISERVICES varies 30.37 varies 4.84

In both cases ($6.54 of $41.07 and $4.84 of $30.37) it is 15.93% of the total - so neither 15% (photo) nor 20% (video)

And the message from Getty/IStock says ‘Training share: 50% of the revenue is split across all files used to train our AI services, with each file receiving an equal share.’

Something is very wrong here!

The Mighty Jungle · « **Reply #10 on:** December 18, 2024, 09:34 »

Well I was surprised to discover that I got $36 in AI Services. Should I be happy or should I cry?

yuriy · « **Reply #11 on:** December 18, 2024, 10:04 »

avg month, bit less than oct. quite a bit less than AS/SS. no big sales, not great volume. miniscule ai payment.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 18, 2024, 10:06 »

Quote from: JustAnImage on December 18, 2024, 08:34

And the message from Getty/IStock says ‘Training share: 50% of the revenue is split across all files used to train our AI services, with each file receiving an equal share.’
Something is very wrong here!

IStock is stealing our money.

Quote from: The Mighty Jungle on December 18, 2024, 09:34

Well I was surprised to discover that I got $36 in AI Services. Should I be happy or should I cry?

You were underpaid by $50.

cobalt · « **Reply #13 on:** December 18, 2024, 11:10 »

Perhaps we are misunderstanding the 50%.

I have an ai sale for 6 dollars, I got 1.18

Or maybe is was several ai creations.

50% of 6 dollars is 3 dollars.

This gets equally split over all involved files. If 3 files were involved we each get around 1 dollar.

Maybe it works that way?

JustAnImage · « **Reply #14 on:** December 18, 2024, 11:41 »

Quote from: cobalt on December 18, 2024, 11:10

Perhaps we are misunderstanding the 50%.
I have an ai sale for 6 dollars, I got 1.18
Or maybe is was several ai creations.
50% of 6 dollars is 3 dollars.
This gets equally split over all involved files. If 3 files were involved we each get around 1 dollar.
Maybe it works that way?

These are all possibilities, but unfortunately we don't know what they are - the 50% figure is in the air, but if I'm seeing things correctly, no one is even close to reaching it.

I've already written to the support team and I think everyone should do that so that they realise that something is wrong here

It's highly unlikely that this will have any effect, because we're being ripped off anyway.

If, as in my case, this $11.38 is supposed to be the total amount for 1 year of Dataset Earnings, it's not even close to being okay.

zeljkok · « **Reply #15 on:** December 18, 2024, 14:29 »

I found "AI Services" in PDF as well (no need to use TodayIs20).

Just like everything else on IS Platform things are super convoluted. It's almost like they are trying very hard to make it as complicated as possible. Maintaining this bloated system must be real nightmare, no wonder errors happen. It is also significant overhead in terms of $$ required to pay people that work on this. This is why we get 15%. Modernize the system, reduce the overhead --> Contributors get at least 5% more, IS maintains same profit.

JustAnImage · « **Reply #16 on:** December 18, 2024, 15:53 »

Just to keep you informed - the support answered my ticket with serveral specific questions:

"Hello Michael,
For more information regarding our generative AI services we have created a new FAQ section to address the questions you might have.
Please visit the link below: https://contributors.gettyimages.com/article/10953
Best Regards."

And my ticket was closed wihout any answer to my questions...

stoker2014 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 18, 2024, 15:59 »

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #18 on:** December 18, 2024, 17:25 »

Quote from: zeljkok on December 18, 2024, 14:29

I found "AI Services" in PDF as well (no need to use TodayIs20).

Just like everything else on IS Platform things are super convoluted. It's almost like they are trying very hard to make it as complicated as possible. Maintaining this bloated system must be real nightmare, no wonder errors happen. It is also significant overhead in terms of $$ required to pay people that work on this. This is why we get 15%. Modernize the system, reduce the overhead --> Contributors get at least 5% more, IS maintains same profit.

Here's my answer, like the drones in New Jersey, which aren't drones, but mistaken identity or ordinary UAVs, this is 100% conjecture, from what I've read. Translated, that means I might be imagining things or I could be right? Or none of the above.

Training share: 50% of the revenue will be divided between all of the files used to train our AI Services, giving an equal share for each file. This rewards every file that was part of the value created by our AI Services in each year.
Weighted share: 50% of the revenue will be weighted to each file in the training set, based on the royalties that file earned from traditional licensing in the same year. This rewards the proven commercial value of your content in each year.

50% plus 50% = 100% Half will be an equal share of the money, received by Getty, for each file. Half will be based on royalties that the file earned, in the same year. That's for each of our files or each of our files that were used, that also had sales.

50% plus 50% = 100% and we get 15% of that total amount, the 100%, for images. A further guess is video gets 20% of that 100% if the files used for AI training are videos.

They probably had meetings and committees that met and studied for months to come up with this.

Until someone comes up with the real answer, from support, or finds a better made up version, that's mine. We get 15% of that 100% and Getty keeps 85%

zeljkok · « **Reply #19 on:** December 18, 2024, 17:42 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on December 18, 2024, 17:25

Here's my answer, like the drones in New Jersey, which aren't drones, but mistaken identity or ordinary UAVs, this is 100% conjecture, from what I've read. Translated, that means I might be imagining things or I could be right? Or none of the above.

Training share: 50% of the revenue will be divided between all of the files used to train our AI Services, giving an equal share for each file. This rewards every file that was part of the value created by our AI Services in each year.
Weighted share: 50% of the revenue will be weighted to each file in the training set, based on the royalties that file earned from traditional licensing in the same year. This rewards the proven commercial value of your content in each year.

50% plus 50% = 100% Half will be an equal share of the money, received by Getty, for each file. Half will be based on royalties that the file earned, in the same year. That's for each of our files or each of our files that were used, that also had sales.

50% plus 50% = 100% and we get 15% of that total amount, the 100%, for images. A further guess is video gets 20% of that 100% if the files used for AI training are videos.

They probably had meetings and committees that met and studied for months to come up with this.

Until someone comes up with the real answer, from support, or finds a better made up version, that's mine. We get 15% of that 100% and Getty keeps 85%

What you wrote is almost as convoluted as IS platform ;=)

BT1976 · « **Reply #20 on:** December 18, 2024, 17:50 »

Congratulations to getty images. I think they found the formula that 50+50 is less than 100.

I didn't expect much. But I didn't think it would be this much.
Bigstock, which hasn't accepted images for a long time, paid 7 times more than getty. Depositphoto, which no one likes, paid 3 times more than getty. Even 123Rf, which I hate, paid more

I have a W-8BEN tax form valid until 2026. Despite this, a tax of nearly 18% was deducted when making the payment last month. Since I live in Turkey, a 10% deduction is made only from sales made in the USA. There is no explanation as to why such a deduction was made.

If you recall, they deducted tens, hundreds of dollars from all of our earnings in February 2024. They said they would deposit Ai earnings for a 1-year period since September 2023. When I saw our earnings from other stock sites, I realized this. Either no site prefers istock/getty for Ai, or istock/getty does not distribute earnings fairly. Or 50+50=12.

zeljkok · « **Reply #21 on:** December 18, 2024, 20:29 »

Quote from: BT1976 on December 18, 2024, 17:50

Congratulations to getty images. I think they found the formula that 50+50 is less than 100.

Or 50+50=12.

There is mathematical way to prove such things. For instance:

Proof that 4 = 3

Assumption: A + B = C

Step 1: (4A - 3A) + (4B - 3B) = (4C - 3C)
Step 2: 4A + 4B - 4C = 3A + 3B - 3C
Step 3: 4(A + B - C) = 3(A + B - C)
Step 4: 4(A + B - C) / (A + B - C) = 3(A + B - C) / (A + B - C)

Step 5: 4 = 3

Spotting the error in above will get you speed ticket to work for IS

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #22 on:** December 19, 2024, 14:14 »

Quote from: zeljkok on December 18, 2024, 17:42

Quote from: Uncle Pete on December 18, 2024, 17:25

Here's my answer, like the drones in New Jersey, which aren't drones, but mistaken identity or ordinary UAVs, this is 100% conjecture, from what I've read. Translated, that means I might be imagining things or I could be right? Or none of the above.

Training share: 50% of the revenue will be divided between all of the files used to train our AI Services, giving an equal share for each file. This rewards every file that was part of the value created by our AI Services in each year.
Weighted share: 50% of the revenue will be weighted to each file in the training set, based on the royalties that file earned from traditional licensing in the same year. This rewards the proven commercial value of your content in each year.

50% plus 50% = 100% Half will be an equal share of the money, received by Getty, for each file. Half will be based on royalties that the file earned, in the same year. That's for each of our files or each of our files that were used, that also had sales.

50% plus 50% = 100% and we get 15% of that total amount, the 100%, for images. A further guess is video gets 20% of that 100% if the files used for AI training are videos.

They probably had meetings and committees that met and studied for months to come up with this.

Until someone comes up with the real answer, from support, or finds a better made up version, that's mine. We get 15% of that 100% and Getty keeps 85%

What you wrote is almost as convoluted as IS platform ;=)

That's why I think I understand it?

Real simple and straight. The number we see for the CONNECT SUMMARY STATEMENT

Summary of Connect-based revenue by customer and product.

AISERVICES United States
##.## is the License fee
Commission = varies
##.## is what we get. (mine was just over 15%)

The second AISERVICES for location says "varies" then License Fee Total, Varies for Commission, and the number we are credited. (mine was just under 15%)

So the numbers for AISERVICES are the 100% and we get, around 15% of that.

The whole 50% of each file and 50% of each file that has downloads, is just mystical, magic, Getty math, and irrelevant. They pay us a roughly 15%, just like everything else.

SimonSays · « **Reply #23 on:** December 19, 2024, 16:07 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on December 19, 2024, 14:14

Quote from: zeljkok on December 18, 2024, 17:42
Quote from: Uncle Pete on December 18, 2024, 17:25

Here's my answer, like the drones in New Jersey, which aren't drones, but mistaken identity or ordinary UAVs, this is 100% conjecture, from what I've read. Translated, that means I might be imagining things or I could be right? Or none of the above.

Training share: 50% of the revenue will be divided between all of the files used to train our AI Services, giving an equal share for each file. This rewards every file that was part of the value created by our AI Services in each year.
Weighted share: 50% of the revenue will be weighted to each file in the training set, based on the royalties that file earned from traditional licensing in the same year. This rewards the proven commercial value of your content in each year.

50% plus 50% = 100% Half will be an equal share of the money, received by Getty, for each file. Half will be based on royalties that the file earned, in the same year. That's for each of our files or each of our files that were used, that also had sales.

50% plus 50% = 100% and we get 15% of that total amount, the 100%, for images. A further guess is video gets 20% of that 100% if the files used for AI training are videos.

They probably had meetings and committees that met and studied for months to come up with this.

Until someone comes up with the real answer, from support, or finds a better made up version, that's mine. We get 15% of that 100% and Getty keeps 85%

What you wrote is almost as convoluted as IS platform ;=)

That's why I think I understand it?

Real simple and straight. The number we see for the CONNECT SUMMARY STATEMENT

Summary of Connect-based revenue by customer and product.

AISERVICES United States
##.## is the License fee
Commission = varies
##.## is what we get. (mine was just over 15%)

The second AISERVICES for location says "varies" then License Fee Total, Varies for Commission, and the number we are credited. (mine was just under 15%)

So the numbers for AISERVICES are the 100% and we get, around 15% of that.

The whole 50% of each file and 50% of each file that has downloads, is just mystical, magic, Getty math, and irrelevant. They pay us a roughly 15%, just like everything else.

I agree. The 100% is the money they say they made. You get your share, be it 15% as non-exclusive or 25-45% as exclusive. Your part is calculated (before your percentage) as 50% of the files having been used for the dataset and the other 50% as the weighted factor of how many files you have licensed of those files during that year.

So let's say:
They made 10 million with these datasets.
You had 1000 files used
There were 100 million used in total
You had 200 sales of your used files in that year
There were 10 million sales of used sales in that year
You are non-exclusive (=15%)

Then your share would be:
1,000/100,000,000=0.00001 for the 50% file share factor
200/100000=0.00002 for the 50% license share factor
Is a total of 0.00003/2 multiplied by your 15%=0.00000225 as overall factor
Then total revenue of 10 million multiplied by your factor of 0.00000225= 22.50 USD

everest · « **Reply #24 on:** December 19, 2024, 18:36 »

Worst month in a decade.

Amazing on how fast stock income is declining on Getty / Istock. I remember I was pulling a 5 figure monthly in 2012. At this pace it will be quite soon that it will be a 3 figure. I am no longer contributing to still images and that might surely add up to the decline, but with 20k assets it would be a huge waste of time to counterweight this falling rock when my other initiatives are growing fast and video on other sites is stable or growing depending on the agency.

Really surprised at this low month. November used to be a strong one, at least for me.

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