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« Reply #50 on: May 24, 2008, 07:10 »
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MP now allows you to "block" as many spammers as you want.
The best thing I ever heard about MP !
Was usefull to me.

By the way, I think this site is
- a good place for backup,
- a good place for loosing the time you don't have,
- a good place for those who are missing ennemies (they don't know you, but already hate you)  :D,
- a good place to know something you already knew from people who know they already are: you are not an artist.  ;)
« Last Edit: May 24, 2008, 07:49 by tilo »


DanP68

« Reply #51 on: May 24, 2008, 12:01 »
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What's the point of being so ugly to people? You judge him by how many images he has on his iStock port? What if he's only been in stock for a few months but has been a professional photographer for a long time? What do you know about him, that you can hurl those kinds of insults? 

Gee, I don't know.  Maybe because he is handing out poor ratings to other photographers to drive their ratings down?  I tend to take things like that seriously.  Obviously you don't.

If he's been a professional photographer for a long time, then he hasn't learned anything in the process.  His pictures don't sell, which means he knows nothing about microstock. And therefore he shouldn't have the power to rate the microstock viability of anybody else's work.

Once again I stress - he has 1 sale at iStock in 3 months, and he has handed out over 1000 poor image ratings at MostPhotos.  Absolute joke.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2008, 12:03 by DanP68 »

« Reply #52 on: May 24, 2008, 16:16 »
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What's the point of being so ugly to people? You judge him by how many images he has on his iStock port? What if he's only been in stock for a few months but has been a professional photographer for a long time? What do you know about him, that you can hurl those kinds of insults? 

Gee, I don't know.  Maybe because he is handing out poor ratings to other photographers to drive their ratings down?  I tend to take things like that seriously.  Obviously you don't.

If he's been a professional photographer for a long time, then he hasn't learned anything in the process.  His pictures don't sell, which means he knows nothing about microstock. And therefore he shouldn't have the power to rate the microstock viability of anybody else's work.

Once again I stress - he has 1 sale at iStock in 3 months, and he has handed out over 1000 poor image ratings at MostPhotos.  Absolute joke.
suwannee, I have to agree with Dan. I too have been the victim of Windmill's "voting envy" and it is quite annoying that someone who has no luck or track record in the industry has the ability to "push" legitimate micro-folk down in the rankings (which directly affects SE results on MP) while offering up nothing but smack. I blocked him/her out a long time ago from my port but he/she tends to revel in ball-busting legit photographers (which he/she is not).

« Reply #53 on: May 24, 2008, 16:39 »
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I would do it something like jpgmag.com does for their contests. You get two choices - a yeah or a nay. A yeah counts as a positive, a nay simply marks it voted on, doesn't go against a rating, and prevents anyone from voting a second time.

Just my two cents worth.

« Reply #54 on: May 24, 2008, 17:24 »
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I would do it something like jpgmag.com does for their contests. You get two choices - a yeah or a nay. A yeah counts as a positive, a nay simply marks it voted on, doesn't go against a rating, and prevents anyone from voting a second time.

Just my two cents worth.
sounds better than the current standard...I'll second that emotion  :)

suwanneeredhead

  • O.I.D. Sufferer (Obsessive Illustration Disorder)
« Reply #55 on: May 24, 2008, 18:35 »
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suwannee, I have to agree with Dan. I too have been the victim of Windmill's "voting envy" and it is quite annoying that someone who has no luck or track record in the industry has the ability to "push" legitimate micro-folk down in the rankings (which directly affects SE results on MP) while offering up nothing but smack. I blocked him/her out a long time ago from my port but he/she tends to revel in ball-busting legit photographers (which he/she is not).

Okay I guess that's the part of my statement that I forgot... that people like that ARE annoying as hell on MP but so what, I can block them and its fun to get all pissed off and say 'take that, you a**hole' ... and I have done that several times... there's this one woman who is incredibly rude, seems like she likes to snipe everybody. I just don't see why they have to take their personal problems out on ME. LOL

... and i'm not sure if it even matters that an image goes "lower" in the search because of that, because I don't sell anything on there anyway... my port is full of scenic shots of Florida and I would venture a guess that most of their buyers are Swedish and European (not too many buyers of non-touristy Florida shots, has been my experience).

My main point was why do we ALL have to be so rude?

Thanks anonymous for pointing that out.

Oh and i like the idea of the yeah or nay votes. I would say that most of them would be yeah since *most* of the work on MP is awesome.

digiology

« Reply #56 on: May 24, 2008, 21:37 »
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I have to agree with Dan too. What he said may sound harsh but I think if you are going to give out that many ratings you better have something to back it up with.

Fortunately I have not been hit by any "ratings snipers" yet and am still enjoying the Mostphotos experience.  :)

« Reply #57 on: May 25, 2008, 00:33 »
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I got annoyed at being the target of an idiot who gave low marks to everything in my portfolio.
Now I don't care. I don't even check the site all that often. Only one sale on 700 uploaded images means that I am losing interest.

« Reply #58 on: May 26, 2008, 03:00 »
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I already posted in other thread the same.

Got a few 1's to my bestsellers from some jackass (sorry for word...) with several crap in their "portfolios". Then rated their few photos with 1's too and blocked them.

Really I don't understand the meaning of this website. If authors want to sell, then they must remove this idiotic rating system and begin to work seriously, including some kind of reviews. If they need just a community with a stage for traffic for advertisement then they must remove selling option. Fine- create a community where everyone can rate each others cats 10's, write apotheosis in comments and do other crap but all these things have nothing with stock business while rating system is perverted.

According buyers rating: it's not objective also. While quality is good (and everyone can check it 100% before buying) then all ratings are unnecessary also. If content, idea and concept of photo is fitting the project then I don't need any rating or comment. The best rating for me is money. If content doesn't fit the project then why to buy and low rate after?

To leave all things for community's consciousness is a nonsense because always there will be idiots around on the net who will destroy good intentions.

In the light of MostPhotos I can understand iStockphoto police behaviour. To keep an order on the website with a big community there must be a really strong but intelligent admins. Otherwise will be two extremities: police state with a Big Brother or anarchy.

Speaking about biggest I think that DT, SS and FT managed to trim between these extremities.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2008, 04:19 by 4seasons »

« Reply #59 on: May 28, 2008, 07:29 »
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Hey all!

Thanks for the attention! I am impressed by all the energy you all spend in analyzing my behavior on MP.

About me i am a 37 year old man, living in Sweden outside Stockholm. I got my first camera at 5, took lessons and read at lot about art and photo. I have a bachelor of art from the time i studied art an culture at the University of Uppsala.

I've been working with art and photo for over 15 years. I did hear about stock for like 3-4 years ago but decided to give it a try my self in march 2008.

So to you that don't like my rating, it was a part of my own learningprocess to study many "stock" photos at mp, is, ss, ft and dt. I am sorry if i hurt somebody in that process.

My aim was not to pinpoint or lower some individuals mp index.  I do take your oppinion in count and i followed some tips in this thread from earlier, as an example i don't rate "bad" things anylonger, i just zap over them to hopefully be amazed by next photo.

Stock is somewhat different from art, but there are some rules that are genereal to all, that is:

1 composition
2 light
3 colour

If you make a "photo" and post it as a commercial object, you have to stand the feedback.

I remember some posts of quiet simple 3D objects, which where signs for +- and dollar sign, made in gold with bad lightning, no depth of colour and all centered. Maybe thats god stock? I would have skipped to rate these objects today, because i am not longer too sure about if they are so bad as stock as i did first.

To all of you thanks for your interest in my "stockphoto" career and take care. 
 

suwanneeredhead

  • O.I.D. Sufferer (Obsessive Illustration Disorder)
« Reply #60 on: May 28, 2008, 21:52 »
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Thanks Windmill for clarifying that... hopefully we can let this issue rest in peace now.

DanP68

« Reply #61 on: May 29, 2008, 00:01 »
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Unfortunately it clarifies nothing.  This is what upsets so many people at Mostphotos.  No contributor lacking a track record in microstock should have the power to affect the search placement of other contributors.  Actually I don't think any contributor should have search placement power over another contributor.

So he has been involved with art and/or photography for a while?  Nice.  What does he know about stock?  What qualifies him to be a reviewer?  Since he has very little in the way of sales at major microstock sites, it appears he is not qualified to evaluate the sales potential of microstock images.

If I could barely get 100 uploads online to the top microstock agencies, and had only 1 sale to show for my efforts at iStock, I would be embarrassed to hand out poor ratings to other contributors.

And that is what this truly comes down to.  Not that Windmill has no track record as a microstock contributor, but that he is active in negatively affecting the search placement of other contributors.  And anyone who thinks these ratings do not affect search much need only to test the results for themselves.  They have a decided effect.  Very, very unfortunate that your search placement is hugely affected based on the whims of other contributors in direct competition to you.  At the very least, you would like to know that those rating you have a track record which "qualifies" their opinion.

DanP68

« Reply #62 on: May 29, 2008, 00:10 »
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I want to relate one of the horrid reviews I received for an image at MostPhotos.  It was for this image:



This image is my most popular Shutterstock image, and one of the highest ranked images of its kind in the Shutterstock database. 

It received two separate "1" ratings at MostPhotos, and was therefor buried in MostPhotos search.  One of the "reviewers" commented "There is a thumb print on your lens."

Hmmm.  I don't see a thumb print.  Funny that no reviewer at any microstock site has ever seen this thumb print.  And this isn't even addressing the fact that you wouldn't see a thumb print on a lens in the first place, because it would be blurred out by depth of field.

But these are the types of jaded, unqualified, clueless snakes which hand out ratings all day to "improve their MP Index."  It is what ticked off our anonymous friend enough to start this thread.  And it is also why MostPhotos will struggle to maintain or attract serious contributors who want no part of these Kindergarten games.  They certainly could not maintain me, and I have no desire to submit to them until they get rid of this ridiculous community ratings index.

« Reply #63 on: June 01, 2008, 14:33 »
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That photo is excellent!

I get hungry and want to eat. Don´t mind i spent the weekend in Vienna, and probably dint need more calories for at last a month.

I am truly sorry if i affected your photos in a negative way. I will not ever rate a bad photo again at mp.

I will also begin talking for that sales does have to count as 1000 mp points for every photo. I agree that the system is annoying and its ridiculous that unexperienced people could have that power.

But i do still think, everybody should have a possibility to vote on the artistic vote, but no on the commercial.

That one should only bee open to buyers and photographers that actually have sold pictures there.


DanP68

« Reply #64 on: June 01, 2008, 17:45 »
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Let's face it.  If contributors truly knew what was saleable material, we'd all be rich.  The only vote that matters is the buyer's when they press the "purchase" button.

« Reply #65 on: June 01, 2008, 20:50 »
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Dan, what's that dark mark on the plate at 11.00 o'clock from centre?  Looks like sensor dust.  Perhaps its something else but whatever it is I think the picture would be better without it.  Nice picture btw.  Your food stuff is getting better in leaps and bounds.

DanP68

« Reply #66 on: June 01, 2008, 21:10 »
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Actually, that's not dust.  I think it is bird poop, as I was photographing sea gulls on the beach prior.   :-\

Thank you though Mr. Hat.  Best of luck with the big IS.

« Reply #67 on: June 02, 2008, 03:30 »
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I dont think that Windmill is calculating and malicious, he was just playing the game. Unfortunately at MP this is something you are encouraged to do. Its the game that is the problem not the individual.

Thanks for giving your side of the story Windmill and I for one hope you continue to post here.



 

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