Author Topic: voting system reaching annoying point (Read 23115 times)

anonymous · « **on:** January 18, 2008, 12:20 »

Got tagged today by a negative vote spammer. Hit me with a "1" on an image that sells just fine. Went and looked at his portfolio, very similar stuff, so I negged him. I don't care, kick me off if you guys want, but the voting thing will wind up destroying your site. And will certainly irritate enough photogs in the process. But seriously, any voting a-holes tag me like that, I'll bang them right back...punish me as you will, but you better take care of them as well.

CCK · « **Reply #1 on:** January 18, 2008, 14:19 »

I wonder what the effect of a low vote will be on sale potential of a photo?
I got a 3, looked at the voter's portfolio and decided it was just a case of a person who doesn't have the necessary knowledge of photography to evaluate a photo. So I ignored him, but it is annoying. I uploaded the same photo to iStock where I got nothing but full marks from members I know at least passed the iStock evaluation.

swedstock · « **Reply #2 on:** January 18, 2008, 14:37 »

Take some time and read in the site forum in some threads where the admins explains a little how their system works and you will be less worried about the voting system. They claim to have built a very smart and advanced system that deals with these issues. Abusers will be automatically punished by the system. Their votes will not count for much and their own picture's rating will also suffer from it. The voting doesn't really count for much in the end either. Relevant keywords, view and sales have a much greater impact acording to admins. So there is really no use in retaliation. None of my sold images have had very high votes. I don't really care if someone doesn't like a picture of mine. Different people have different taste, and so does the buyers. What some hate, others love....

anonymous · « **Reply #3 on:** January 18, 2008, 14:53 »

Quote from: moori on January 18, 2008, 14:37

The voting doesn't really count for much in the end either.

Then what purpose does the voting serve? If it's not affecting the ratings, it DOES affect people's tempers. I personally don't vote because it's a waste of time - would rather spend it working on new photos. I'm not there to coach other photographers, I'm there to sell. But when vote-tards start blasting "1's" for no reason other than to screw with people, I promise I'll shoot back. If "The voting doesn't really count for much in the end either", then any "punishment" they (or I) receive is moot.

Please just grow out of the "vanity site mentality" and run a professional micro-macro site and quit jacking with useless votes. All it does is irritate.

mjp · « **Reply #4 on:** January 18, 2008, 16:11 »

CCK: I agree what you said about necessary knowledge.

I just try to ignore votes given by other users since there is lot of people who just give your images random numbers (from 1 to 10 depends on case).

I only try to give good points to images what I like and have enough knowledge to do so. I have very limited knowledge what is called ART or what image has commercial value so it is very hard to give realistic points to images. I know little bit on certain areas and try to find images which have these qualities and give points to these images.. Bashing others work and also doing it without leaving a good critique is just bad behaviour and does not help anyone.

br, MJP

swedstock · « **Reply #5 on:** January 18, 2008, 16:25 »

Quote from: anonymous on January 18, 2008, 14:53

Quote from: moori on January 18, 2008, 14:37
The voting doesn't really count for much in the end either.

Then what purpose does the voting serve?

One bad vote out of ten or twenty woun't make a difference. A large majority of low votes on an image will however surely make the image end up later in searches. There is no reviews so the voting is one part of the rating.

madelaide · « **Reply #6 on:** January 18, 2008, 16:41 »

As I said before, ratings cause a lot of negativity in SP, and they could only do the same in MS. And giving rewards to ratings only makes things worse...

Regards,
Adelaide

rosta · « **Reply #7 on:** January 18, 2008, 20:16 »

Quote from: moori on January 18, 2008, 16:25

Quote from: anonymous on January 18, 2008, 14:53
Quote from: moori on January 18, 2008, 14:37
The voting doesn't really count for much in the end either.

Then what purpose does the voting serve?

One bad vote out of ten or twenty woun't make a difference. A large majority of low votes on an image will however surely make the image end up later in searches. There is no reviews so the voting is one part of the rating.

But, I don't want my images being reviewed by other contributors, either mp has reviewers or it doesn't, don't let the opinions of the others affect my search ratings.
rosta

sharpshot · « **Reply #8 on:** January 19, 2008, 05:01 »

It was strange at first but now I like the fact that MP doesn't have reviewers. It makes it different to all the other sites. There are a lot of sites with the same images and it is good to see one with images that might be rejected but could be good for the buyer.

It has been stated in the past that a lot of images are used on websites, so I sometimes wonder why a good photo is rejected for slight grain or artifacts at 100% when there could still be a use for it at smaller sizes. With MP, the buyers can look at the image at full size and decide if it is useful.

2mp is fine for most uses but a lot of sites require double this size as a minimum now.

anonymous · « **Reply #9 on:** January 19, 2008, 10:58 »

Quote from: rosta on January 18, 2008, 20:16

Quote from: moori on January 18, 2008, 16:25
Quote from: anonymous on January 18, 2008, 14:53
Quote from: moori on January 18, 2008, 14:37
The voting doesn't really count for much in the end either.

Then what purpose does the voting serve?

One bad vote out of ten or twenty woun't make a difference. A large majority of low votes on an image will however surely make the image end up later in searches. There is no reviews so the voting is one part of the rating.

But, I don't want my images being reviewed by other contributors, either mp has reviewers or it doesn't, don't let the opinions of the others affect my search ratings.
rosta

...and therein my friend is the conundrum. If you want to sell your images and not become politically involved with everybody, MP is likely not the site you want to work with.
If you're more interested in "community" and chatting with folks about how to improve your photo skills, MP is probably a fun place to hang.

That being said, I'm here to sell my photos and not have other contributors "rating" my work (they would be wiser rating their OWN) and affecting search results (I thought that was why we "keyworded" our images). I really want this site to work but it is already moving in the direction of ShutterPoint. It's already stirring "unease"...I should be prepping my next batch of photos right now instead of blabbing about this...

Tim Markley · « **Reply #10 on:** January 19, 2008, 13:39 »

I like the self inspecting aspect of MP. I find myself being more selective, with some other sites it's a bit of a game to see if a photo will get through. I don't like the voting system though.

Pixart · « **Reply #11 on:** January 19, 2008, 15:06 »

I've go no problem with buyers rating work they've purchased. I don't think many purchasers would actually bother to rate something unless it was flawed though. I do have trouble with people qualifying a photo they can only view at a fraction of it's size.

sharpshot · « **Reply #12 on:** January 19, 2008, 15:18 »

Quote from: Pixart on January 19, 2008, 15:06

.....I do have trouble with people qualifying a photo they can only view at a fraction of it's size.

There is a zoom they can use to see the quality at a larger size.

Beckyabell · « **Reply #13 on:** January 20, 2008, 13:37 »

Dump the rating system. If I want a critique of my work, I'll ask.

ParisEye · « **Reply #14 on:** January 20, 2008, 14:05 »

Quote from: Beckyabell on January 20, 2008, 13:37

Dump the rating system. If I want a critique of my work, I'll ask.

I totally agree with that.

anonymous · « **Reply #15 on:** January 20, 2008, 16:36 »

kind of like buying a nice car and putting shag carpet on the dash...

mwp1969 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 07, 2008, 01:55 »

All,

I've posted a review of the MP site here:
http://www.microstockgroup.com/index.php/topic,3547.msg33390.html#msg33390

Mark

anonymous · « **Reply #17 on:** March 29, 2008, 00:33 »

kicking the dead horse ONE*MORE*TIME before i delete my stuff.....

A$$-Tard hitting my work with "1's"...lowered my rating, which lowers my visibility. I went and a$$ slammed ALL of his images (amazingly didn't hurt his ratings as everyone else he's "bashed" has hit him back too)...just stirring up bad blood and showing the sincere lack of pro intentions of the site....you guys (Mostvotos) better wake up or your gonna go down the turdhole with a mighty flush and a lack of valid contributors.I know, I know, "ratings only make up a small part of the "MPI", but they make up a massive annoying part of the caring photog's time (still no sales, just wasted time "voting" to try and be visible...obviously not working)...

One more time and I'm out

monilu · « **Reply #18 on:** March 29, 2008, 02:11 »

For what it's worth to you, I'd be glad to rate your images (honestly and fairly.. and I am not a 'blaster'..more of a 'high-rater'. In fact, I rarely waste time rating anything unless the thumbnail grabs my attention) to help even it out. It's no trouble, I like casting random votes most days I am logged in, and am always looking for interesting ports to send some votes to. I myself have yet to be slammed by a low-voter, but it would tick me off too.. I am sorry to hear you've had such poor experiences there.

So far, I am really having fun over at MP, myself. I have only been there less than a week, and with a measly 30 images up so far, no sales yet, but I am willing to keep uploading my (rather small) portfolio in hopes of eventually getting a few 25 euro sales.

I'd like to see you stick around, and not be put off by a few idiots who have nothing better to do than to slam galleries...

So what's your MP name? I'll make sure to go through your port with honest, fair votes... I swear!

( and no, I don't work for them!) Or PM me with your MP name. That will work just as well..

Monica ( username 'monilu' on MP and most other stocks, if you want to check my record to be sure

ParisEye · « **Reply #19 on:** March 29, 2008, 02:54 »

I just began to upload there two days ago, got some immediate rating which didn't bother me, and suddenly, yesterday, four 1s. Just checked, they were given on two pics by somebody who registered the same day. He uploaded five pictures and gave 48 ratings.

First question : As Mostphotos seems to want to keep that system of rating by "peers" shouldn't it be limited to certain "confirmed" photographers, i.e. people with a minimum portfolio and not just anybody trying to get his first pictures up by a shot-gun technique of rating instead of working at his/her own portfolio ?

Second question : if this rating is not really useful in the overall rating, why keep it ?

Third question : what about an "opt out" clause for photographers who don't want to play this game (i.e. they don't get rated but they can't give rating).

Personally, I spend already too much time to upload my pictures and prepare them before that, for playing games of hide and seek.

null · « **Reply #20 on:** March 29, 2008, 08:53 »

Quote from: ParisEye on March 29, 2008, 02:54

I just began to upload there two days ago, got some immediate rating which didn't bother me, and suddenly, yesterday, four 1s. Just checked, they were given on two pics by somebody who registered the same day. He uploaded five pictures and gave 48 ratings.

How can you see who rated you? I'm still having difficulties to navigate around MP as it's so slow, heavily programmed and loaded with scripts. The navigation map looks to me like the Gordian Maze ;-)

PS - and I wish they would get rid of their spell errors. Looks so unprofessional. Your pictures are beeing uploaded... I can always hear the bees humming then

I made an enemy myself, so I can expect a stalker re-registering too and flame me with 1's. Whatever...

ParisEye · « **Reply #21 on:** March 29, 2008, 09:06 »

It was a try and miss job. And I was lucky. I had just something like 8 pictures. I clicked on the first one and here it was, the rating. Clicking on it got me to the rater.

Of course, with 1000 photographs I think I would have encountered more difficulties...

runamock · « **Reply #22 on:** March 29, 2008, 09:47 »

Good idea ParisEye, being able to opt in or out of the ratings. It would stop any conflict.

anonymous · « **Reply #23 on:** March 29, 2008, 09:52 »

Quote from: monilu on March 29, 2008, 02:11

For what it's worth to you, I'd be glad to rate your images (honestly and fairly..

I appreciate your kindness but I'm not looking for the "ratings", just the "sales". Thank you though. What pi$$es me off about the whole thing is that the result of the spam-tard hitting my image with a "1", took it out of the number "1" result for the search term and dropped it 7 positions. It's just simply a horrible method of determining search results.

mwp1969 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 29, 2008, 13:43 »

Quote from: FlemishDreams on March 29, 2008, 08:53

Quote from: ParisEye on March 29, 2008, 02:54
I just began to upload there two days ago, got some immediate rating which didn't bother me, and suddenly, yesterday, four 1s. Just checked, they were given on two pics by somebody who registered the same day. He uploaded five pictures and gave 48 ratings.

How can you see who rated you? I'm still having difficulties to navigate around MP as it's so slow, heavily programmed and loaded with scripts. The navigation map looks to me like the Gordian Maze ;-)

PS - and I wish they would get rid of their spell errors. Looks so unprofessional. Your pictures are beeing uploaded... I can always hear the bees humming then

I made an enemy myself, so I can expect a stalker re-registering too and flame me with 1's. Whatever...

Flemish,

When you click on an image thumbnail, right where you see rating, click on the number of votes. An example would be: Rating 7 (54 votes) ... click on the "54 votes" part. There you can see a list of who's voted on your image and what ratings. From there the names are linke to their profile.

I hope this helps.

Mark

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Author Topic: voting system reaching annoying point (Read 23115 times)

anonymous

CCK

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anonymous

mjp

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madelaide

rosta

sharpshot

anonymous

Tim Markley

Pixart

sharpshot

Beckyabell

ParisEye

anonymous

mwp1969

anonymous

monilu

ParisEye

null

ParisEye

runamock

anonymous

mwp1969

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