Author Topic: Introducing pixamba.com - by creators of ProStockMaster software (Read 39715 times)

sharpshot · « **Reply #75 on:** July 05, 2009, 15:18 »

I emailed them and they let me know that they have some of my photos from Panthermedia.

kaycee · « **Reply #76 on:** July 05, 2009, 19:55 »

Quote from: sharpshot on July 05, 2009, 15:18

I emailed them and they let me know that they have some of my photos from Panthermedia.

If it was Panthermedia it should been far more images over there and not just a few....

lurkertwo · « **Reply #77 on:** July 05, 2009, 23:11 »

Quote from: kaycee on July 05, 2009, 19:55

If it was Panthermedia it should been far more images over there and not just a few....

So both Zymmetrical and Pixamba are resellers of Panthermedia.

The logical action then is to upload to Panthermedia alone and leave those two sites for what they are.
If Pixamba only takes what's not on Panthermedia or other major sites we don't know of, we have a Pixmac situation at hand.

dirkr · « **Reply #78 on:** July 06, 2009, 02:23 »

Quote from: cevapcici on July 05, 2009, 23:11

Quote from: kaycee on July 05, 2009, 19:55
If it was Panthermedia it should been far more images over there and not just a few....

So both Zymmetrical and Pixamba are resellers of Panthermedia.
The logical action then is to upload to Panthermedia alone and leave those two sites for what they are.
If Pixamba only takes what's not on Panthermedia or other major sites we don't know of, we have a Pixmac situation at hand.

The logical action is to upload to Zymmetrical but not to Pixamba. Why? Very simple.
Zymmetrical let's you choose the price. You can set the price lower than the default set by Panthermedia and still earn more (Panther takes a cut of the sale price and pays you only 30% of what is left!).
But at Pixamba, if you upload yourself you sell for very low prices (even undercutting some of the other successful micros), but the Panther images are up there for midstock prices.

lurkertwo · « **Reply #79 on:** July 06, 2009, 03:37 »

Quote from: dirkr on July 06, 2009, 02:23

But at Pixamba, if you upload yourself you sell for very low prices (even undercutting some of the other successful micros), but the Panther images are up there for midstock prices.

Take for instance this image (waterfall in forest) on pixamba: 60 credits full size = 45$ = 32 euro, while on Panthermedia the same image is 53.39 euro full size. I wouldn't call 32 euro on Pixamba "microstock price".

On a side note, Pixamba put its business address/info on line in the info, which is great.

dirkr · « **Reply #80 on:** July 06, 2009, 04:08 »

Quote from: cevapcici on July 06, 2009, 03:37

Quote from: dirkr on July 06, 2009, 02:23
But at Pixamba, if you upload yourself you sell for very low prices (even undercutting some of the other successful micros), but the Panther images are up there for midstock prices.

If Pixamba sells images lower than on Panther, I can't see where the profit is for them. What's more, Panther will undercut its own price model. And what's most, Panther will only pay you 30% if your images are on low-priced microstocks, but they offer those themselves on microstock by the Pixamba liaison. Where is the logic?

The pictures distributed via Panther are for offer at Pixamba at higher prices (I found mine at 60 Credits for Large size). So that is roughly in line with Panther's pricing model.
Only if I upload directly to Pixamba, there seems to be no choice for different prices.

That's why I said I won't upload to Pixamba directly.

For Zymm it's different, I can set my prices as I want and therefore I can benefit from cutting out the middleman.

lurkertwo · « **Reply #81 on:** July 06, 2009, 04:20 »

Quote from: dirkr on July 06, 2009, 04:08

The pictures distributed via Panther are for offer at Pixamba at higher prices (I found mine at 60 Credits for Large size). So that is roughly in line with Panther's pricing model.

Correct. I had a better look at Pixamba and I changed my message. I'm still not happy with the huge jump in price from 4.7MP to 11MP which excludes the very popular 10MP cams (included mine). If I ever would upload to Pixamba, I would just upload the 5MP version then like on ShutterStock since the original 10MP size doesn't make me any profit.

kaycee · « **Reply #82 on:** July 06, 2009, 04:40 »

I just received an e-mail from DavidM and confirmed in my case the images were from Panthermedia.
Only strange thing and question I have:
Were are the rest of the images I send through panthermedia in Pixamba library.There are only 39 alive or visable in the Pixamba library.

zymmetricaldotcom · « **Reply #83 on:** July 06, 2009, 06:29 »

Don't forget to balance out any choices like this with the facts that Panthermedia is long established and has an excellent sales team and multiple distribution partners. You may gain a volume advantage from the extra exposure their core business and distribution network provides.

I would not want to endorse direct uploads to Zymmetrical over Panthermedia by remaining silent on this point, there is no simple answer other than to perhaps try a bit of both. We can arrange for partial batch uploads if you'd like to experiment, just drop a support note.

davidm · « **Reply #84 on:** July 06, 2009, 07:03 »

@kaycee
As per my email, your account is now ready for your submissions.

A small note:
If you guys read the beginning of this thread you see that we have started with a 255,000-images collection.
Some images came directly from the artists who already started to work with us, while some others came from our valued resale partners. We work with a few of them, often hand-picking the specific images that we want to re-sell.
This explains why you might
a) find your portfolio listed with us
b) see a smaller number of images there than you probably have with some other agency
Obviously, we apply a different criteria to your submissions so you are warmly welcome to take the full control of your account if it is already exists with us.
Please send us an email with your picture ID, so we can identify you granting you the access to your portfolio / account.

dirkr · « **Reply #85 on:** July 06, 2009, 08:14 »

Quote from: zymmetrical on July 06, 2009, 06:29

Don't forget to balance out any choices like this with the facts that Panthermedia is long established and has an excellent sales team and multiple distribution partners. You may gain a volume advantage from the extra exposure their core business and distribution network provides.

The distribution network of Panthermedia makes sense when they distribute to agencies I cannot directly submit to (or when the pure number of agencies would be too much work).

For me it's not an "either Panther or directly" approach, it's better to combine those two offerings (as I'm with Panther anyway).

Quote from: zymmetrical on July 06, 2009, 06:29

I would not want to endorse direct uploads to Zymmetrical over Panthermedia by remaining silent on this point, there is no simple answer other than to perhaps try a bit of both. We can arrange for partial batch uploads if you'd like to experiment, just drop a support note.

I understand that you don't want to endorse that (as Panther is your partner in that deal), but I as a simple contributor have a simple view on that. All that partner deals have one thing in common I do not like at all: The total sales price is split amongst every agency in the chain and the contributor (the owner of the intellectual property!) gets only the remainders.
Which in case of Zymmetrical / Panther is 30% of 70% = 21 % (if my information is correct about that you pay Panther the same royalty as you pay your own contributors).
And the upload to your site is not so painful that it would scare me away from uploading my portfolio directly.

dirkr · « **Reply #86 on:** July 06, 2009, 08:17 »

Quote from: davidm on July 06, 2009, 07:03

@kaycee
As per my email, your account is now ready for your submissions.

A small note:
If you guys read the beginning of this thread you see that we have started with a 255,000-images collection.
Some images came directly from the artists who already started to work with us, while some others came from our valued resale partners. We work with a few of them, often hand-picking the specific images that we want to re-sell.
This explains why you might
a) find your portfolio listed with us
b) see a smaller number of images there than you probably have with some other agency
Obviously, we apply a different criteria to your submissions so you are warmly welcome to take the full control of your account if it is already exists with us.
Please send us an email with your picture ID, so we can identify you granting you the access to your portfolio / account.

What do you mean by "take the full control of your account"?

Change those files from being delivered by Panther to "direct uploaded" thus cutting off the middleman? Keep the higher prices? Allow to upload more for the same price structure (which is a lot different from what you have for contributors on your homepage)?

Now that would get my interest!

davidm · « **Reply #87 on:** July 06, 2009, 15:39 »

Quote from: dirkr on July 06, 2009, 08:17

What do you mean by "take the full control of your account"?
Change those files from being delivered by Panther to "direct uploaded" thus cutting off the middleman?

Well done dirkr, appreciate your sense of humor!
"Converting" images delivered by a resale partner to be your own is very much like "converting" a rental car to become your own

Sorry, we can not do that.

If your already have some images listed with us drop us an email, and we'll help you uploading, will take care of possible duplications in your portfolio and will do anything you need to get in control of your account, laying you a red carpet VIP path to get on board.

dirkr · « **Reply #88 on:** July 06, 2009, 16:13 »

Quote from: davidm on July 06, 2009, 15:39

Quote from: dirkr on July 06, 2009, 08:17
What do you mean by "take the full control of your account"?
Change those files from being delivered by Panther to "direct uploaded" thus cutting off the middleman?

Well done dirkr, appreciate your sense of humor!
"Converting" images delivered by a resale partner to be your own is very much like "converting" a rental car to become your own

Sorry, we can not do that.

If your already have some images listed with us drop us an email, and we'll help you uploading, will take care of possible duplications in your portfolio and will do anything you need to get in control of your account, laying you a red carpet VIP path to get on board.

Well you could do that if you wanted...

But seriously: I made my points about your prices and licences earlier in this thread.
As long as I don't see a change there I don't feel like uploading.

But if you tell me you will offer my photos for the same price structure that is obviously ok for the same files if they come via a distribution partner, that would be a different story.

lurkertwo · « **Reply #89 on:** July 07, 2009, 23:56 »

Quote from: dirkr on July 06, 2009, 16:13

But if you tell me you will offer my photos for the same price structure that is obviously ok for the same files if they come via a distribution partner, that would be a different story.

I'm more worried that pictures on Panthermedia will be sold as XS Extended License via Pixamba for a share of 2$.

Phil · « **Reply #90 on:** July 08, 2009, 00:33 »

Quote from: cevapcici on July 07, 2009, 23:56

Quote from: dirkr on July 06, 2009, 16:13
But if you tell me you will offer my photos for the same price structure that is obviously ok for the same files if they come via a distribution partner, that would be a different story.
I'm more worried that pictures on Panthermedia will be sold as XS Extended License via Pixamba for a share of 2$.

my images on pixamba from panthermedia start at 6 credits and go up to 60 credits, so $4 at their cheapest. Which is interesting because it is just under $2 on panther and if you bought 5000 credits

on panther you could get the same image for $0.80

lurkertwo · « **Reply #91 on:** July 08, 2009, 01:36 »

Quote from: Phil on July 08, 2009, 00:33

my images on pixamba from panthermedia start at 6 credits and go up to 60 credits, so $4 at their cheapest. Which is interesting because it is just under $2 on panther and if you bought 5000 credits on panther you could get the same image for $0.80

Is that an Extended License on Panther?

dirkr · « **Reply #92 on:** July 08, 2009, 02:02 »

Quote from: cevapcici on July 07, 2009, 23:56

Quote from: dirkr on July 06, 2009, 16:13
But if you tell me you will offer my photos for the same price structure that is obviously ok for the same files if they come via a distribution partner, that would be a different story.
I'm more worried that pictures on Panthermedia will be sold as XS Extended License via Pixamba for a share of 2$.

Good point.
I checked, the XS EL goes for 18 Credits.

Now...

Assuming Pixamba pays Panther the same as they pay their direct contributors (40 cents per credit...) that would be $7.20 to Panther, thereof 30% = $2.16 to me....

These are the calculations that make me think of directly contributing to such partner sites, if possible - and if they allow me to sell for a decent price, which Pixamba obviously won't do.

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