Author Topic: The logics behind the pirates (Read 34390 times)

FD · « **Reply #25 on:** November 14, 2010, 00:11 »

Quote from: jbarber873 on November 13, 2010, 22:31

Please note that this rant is not aimed at you personally, FD-Regular. I have a high regard for your posts. I'm just sick of always being told that I'm the only one who has to play by the rules.

I know it's not directed at me personally since my conscience is clear. I just wanted to offer some observations on the world as it is, not as it should be. I posed this question a while ago to my photography pall and this is his answer:

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Yes it's probably bad for the people that made the software, but what should I do? Pay 1000$ or 500$ in a "legit" shop to just have the same all the others (my competitors) use without paying anything at all? What's more, even if I could pay 500$ (which I don't have) to a "legit" shop, it's counterfeit anyways. (I have to agree: the hologram printers are rampant around Manila). So, it's doing like everybody else or be a Don Quixote and go sit near a mall with a styrofoam cup for some coins.

What can I say? 94 million sociopaths? I know who is to blame for all this but I can't comment, except that a fish starts to rot at the head.

crazychristina · « **Reply #26 on:** November 14, 2010, 00:56 »

Hi FD-regular, as the person who first mentioned psychopaths/sociopaths in this thread I guess I feel some responsibility here. I said that in the context of people who do know better and can afford to do the right thing. Fact is, about 2% of people are psychopaths. You seem to think I'm applying this term to the whole of the third world, judging by your responses. I'm not. I too have used pirated software while a student, but when I started working in the industry I started to pay for the software I used, and encourage my students to do the right think once they get out into the real world too.

RacePhoto · « **Reply #27 on:** November 14, 2010, 03:09 »

Quote from: click_click on November 12, 2010, 19:53

Btw, ever heard this phrase when someone looks at your pictures: "Wow, your camera takes great pictures, what brand is it?"

I gave up on that one long ago. I claim it's the camera and lenses that make me look good.

With a better guitar I could probably play better too?

(not going to happen, I stink on every guitar equally)

Yar, argh, shiver my timbers... yo ho ho and a bottle of rum, there's a real pirate for you.

Elements and Open Office user. Call me cheap, some call it frugal, but they work on my XP computers, just fine!

jbarber873 · « **Reply #28 on:** November 14, 2010, 10:12 »

Quote from: FD-regular on November 14, 2010, 00:11

Quote from: jbarber873 on November 13, 2010, 22:31
Please note that this rant is not aimed at you personally, FD-Regular. I have a high regard for your posts. I'm just sick of always being told that I'm the only one who has to play by the rules.
I know it's not directed at me personally since my conscience is clear. I just wanted to offer some observations on the world as it is, not as it should be. I posed this question a while ago to my photography pall and this is his answer:
Quote
Yes it's probably bad for the people that made the software, but what should I do? Pay 1000$ or 500$ in a "legit" shop to just have the same all the others (my competitors) use without paying anything at all? What's more, even if I could pay 500$ (which I don't have) to a "legit" shop, it's counterfeit anyways. (I have to agree: the hologram printers are rampant around Manila). So, it's doing like everybody else or be a Don Quixote and go sit near a mall with a styrofoam cup for some coins.
What can I say? 94 million sociopaths? I know who is to blame for all this but I can't comment, except that a fish starts to rot at the head.

I'm not saying they are sociopaths for for using free software. That is the logical conclusion to the situation, and I would do that as well, if I lived there. I'm well aware of the world as it is. For the past 80 years, the US has been working to nurture emerging economies around the world., and it's been a great success. All I'm saying is that it won't last. There will be a break with the past in some way. Perhaps with the move to cloud based applications, control over the software will be taken back by the producers. Perhaps the rapidly growing protectionist movement in the US will say "fine, don't buy from us, and we won't buy from you". This is what the Tea party wants, and so far it looks like they are going to get whatever they want. I would like to live in a world with equilibrium, but it can't all be we give and you take. If I weren't allowed to sell images in the Philippines, and you weren't allowed to sell images in the US, who comes out ahead? As for the rotting fish head, that could be the US; it could also be the corrupt government in Manila as well as the mercantilist government in Beijing. There's plenty of rotting fish heads to go around.

madelaide · « **Reply #29 on:** November 14, 2010, 11:33 »

Actually I don't think that terms like "psychopaths" or "sociopaths" apply to those guys I described. The logics among most of the people from my office that use pirated software/music/movies is: the producers already got a lot of money (think of Bill gates or "Avatar"), I wouldn't buy it if I really had to pay for it and nobody will ever catch me if download them.

FD, the situation you describe applies to a Brazil in many aspects. We have legit software and most companies use legit software. Now imagine what it costs to have a license of MS Office for a 100k or more computers... We have some free PDF creating driver, because Adobe doesn't have a site license. I need however to edit PDFs for comments, so I had to order a copy through a contract we have with Adobe - yet, it costed over US$300. But when it comes to individuals, the piracy is almost 100%. It's less with Windows now because notebooks come with it, but for PCs it is still common, unless you buy a brand PC like Dell. There is a commercial building downtown whose first 3 floors are only stores selling hardware and software. In front of it, people announce software for R$10 - less than US$6. From Windows to Photoshop to Solidworks to Mathlab - you want it, they have it (not in their hands, they get it somewhere once the negotiation is agreed). Everyone knows it, but I don't see any police action - they probably get a "contribution" to leave them alone.

Microbius · « **Reply #30 on:** December 20, 2010, 07:26 »

Quote from: jbarber873 on November 14, 2010, 10:12

Quote from: FD-regular on November 14, 2010, 00:11
Quote from: jbarber873 on November 13, 2010, 22:31
Please note that this rant is not aimed at you personally, FD-Regular. I have a high regard for your posts. I'm just sick of always being told that I'm the only one who has to play by the rules.
I know it's not directed at me personally since my conscience is clear. I just wanted to offer some observations on the world as it is, not as it should be. I posed this question a while ago to my photography pall and this is his answer:
Quote
Yes it's probably bad for the people that made the software, but what should I do? Pay 1000$ or 500$ in a "legit" shop to just have the same all the others (my competitors) use without paying anything at all? What's more, even if I could pay 500$ (which I don't have) to a "legit" shop, it's counterfeit anyways. (I have to agree: the hologram printers are rampant around Manila). So, it's doing like everybody else or be a Don Quixote and go sit near a mall with a styrofoam cup for some coins.
What can I say? 94 million sociopaths? I know who is to blame for all this but I can't comment, except that a fish starts to rot at the head.
I'm not saying they are sociopaths for for using free software. That is the logical conclusion to the situation, and I would do that as well, if I lived there. I'm well aware of the world as it is. For the past 80 years, the US has been working to nurture emerging economies around the world., and it's been a great success. All I'm saying is that it won't last. There will be a break with the past in some way. Perhaps with the move to cloud based applications, control over the software will be taken back by the producers. Perhaps the rapidly growing protectionist movement in the US will say "fine, don't buy from us, and we won't buy from you". This is what the Tea party wants, and so far it looks like they are going to get whatever they want. I would like to live in a world with equilibrium, but it can't all be we give and you take. If I weren't allowed to sell images in the Philippines, and you weren't allowed to sell images in the US, who comes out ahead? As for the rotting fish head, that could be the US; it could also be the corrupt government in Manila as well as the mercantilist government in Beijing. There's plenty of rotting fish heads to go around.

The stuff about corrupt government is an excuse that we use in most situations to make us feel better about ourselves. It means people don't have to blame themselves and we can go on looking at other people through rose tinted glasses. Unfortunately corruption actually doesn't start at the top. Even (especially) fascist or other totalitarian governments are bought in by the will of the people.
It's very easy to say "our government's corrupt so how can we be expected not to be?" The reality is that the government is made up of people who live under the same social norms as the rest of the population. The people are corrupt so the government is corrupt.
Take a look at Nazi Germany, Nazism wasn't something imposed on the people, the majority of the people bought it into being by being rabidly behind it. Screaming for the blood of their neighbours etc. Look into how the Gestapo operated, they were a handful of people backed by huge swathes of the population, that's how they imposed their will.
It's just much easier to pretend everyone is a poor victim of this ethereal entity called government, when the reality is that until people start taking responsibility for themselves and stop blaming everyone else nothings going to change in these places. The world doesn't owe you a living.

seawhisper · « **Reply #31 on:** December 20, 2010, 07:50 »

Nonetheless all the subjects in the thread, many ppl say that they have OEM versions for PC's that they assembled themselves. And that it's legal. Well recently M$ changed their mind. And decided that the policy might have been wrongly understood blah blah blah (the prices went heavily down) and in fact for normal person it's not legal anymore. The only OEM can be installed by a shop that sells the PC made from parts. Lol.

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