Author Topic: Terrorist attack in Paris 140 dead (Read 39340 times)

topol · « **Reply #50 on:** November 15, 2015, 11:51 »

Quote from: KnowYourOnions on November 15, 2015, 06:48

Quote from: topol on November 15, 2015, 05:10

I'm sorry, what are talking about? That "registration" wasn't even a quarter of a measure, it was sad joke. The doors to Europe were kicked open from the inside in the most extreme way possible. Actually it was so extreme they were rushing to transport people in before there was time screen them. Just complete lunacy.

Let's not jump with conclusions, 2 passports could be stolen too....who knows...
Maybe those 2 were not terrorists at the time they entered Greece so additional screening would be pointless (not to mention impossible, as Lesbos island for sure doesn't have capacity for it!!!). But, once treated how they were treated they became an easy targets for ISIS. Without hope and money, vulnerable and weak in every sense, many disappointed in life, Europe and there we go... offered money to blown themselves up and they just did it.

Refugees are escaping the same (actually much worse) that we just saw in Paris.

That's not up for debate anymore, 3 of these terrorists came in with recent migrant surge, fingerprints were identified.

KnowYourOnions · « **Reply #51 on:** November 15, 2015, 12:12 »

Quote from: topol on November 15, 2015, 11:51

Quote from: KnowYourOnions on November 15, 2015, 06:48
Quote from: topol on November 15, 2015, 05:10

I'm sorry, what are talking about? That "registration" wasn't even a quarter of a measure, it was sad joke. The doors to Europe were kicked open from the inside in the most extreme way possible. Actually it was so extreme they were rushing to transport people in before there was time screen them. Just complete lunacy.

Let's not jump with conclusions, 2 passports could be stolen too....who knows...
Maybe those 2 were not terrorists at the time they entered Greece so additional screening would be pointless (not to mention impossible, as Lesbos island for sure doesn't have capacity for it!!!). But, once treated how they were treated they became an easy targets for ISIS. Without hope and money, vulnerable and weak in every sense, many disappointed in life, Europe and there we go... offered money to blown themselves up and they just did it.

Refugees are escaping the same (actually much worse) that we just saw in Paris.

That's not up for debate anymore, 3 of these terrorists came in with recent migrant surge, fingerprints were identified.

I have no idea where do you get your news. But what you just said HAS NOT being said anywhere in media. Only one suicide bomber might be a "refugee".

topol · « **Reply #52 on:** November 15, 2015, 12:31 »

Quote from: KnowYourOnions on November 15, 2015, 12:12

Quote from: topol on November 15, 2015, 11:51
Quote from: KnowYourOnions on November 15, 2015, 06:48
Quote from: topol on November 15, 2015, 05:10

I'm sorry, what are talking about? That "registration" wasn't even a quarter of a measure, it was sad joke. The doors to Europe were kicked open from the inside in the most extreme way possible. Actually it was so extreme they were rushing to transport people in before there was time screen them. Just complete lunacy.

Let's not jump with conclusions, 2 passports could be stolen too....who knows...
Maybe those 2 were not terrorists at the time they entered Greece so additional screening would be pointless (not to mention impossible, as Lesbos island for sure doesn't have capacity for it!!!). But, once treated how they were treated they became an easy targets for ISIS. Without hope and money, vulnerable and weak in every sense, many disappointed in life, Europe and there we go... offered money to blown themselves up and they just did it.

Refugees are escaping the same (actually much worse) that we just saw in Paris.

That's not up for debate anymore, 3 of these terrorists came in with recent migrant surge, fingerprints were identified.

I have no idea where do you get your news. But what you just said HAS NOT being said anywhere in media. Only one suicide bomber might be a "refugee".

Clueless? Cnn, afp, resuters - many. Three fake recent turkish passports, ferry ticket from greece... btw, even one would be too many.

KnowYourOnions · « **Reply #53 on:** November 15, 2015, 12:36 »

Quote from: topol on November 15, 2015, 12:31

Quote from: KnowYourOnions on November 15, 2015, 12:12
Quote from: topol on November 15, 2015, 11:51
Quote from: KnowYourOnions on November 15, 2015, 06:48
Quote from: topol on November 15, 2015, 05:10

I'm sorry, what are talking about? That "registration" wasn't even a quarter of a measure, it was sad joke. The doors to Europe were kicked open from the inside in the most extreme way possible. Actually it was so extreme they were rushing to transport people in before there was time screen them. Just complete lunacy.

Let's not jump with conclusions, 2 passports could be stolen too....who knows...
Maybe those 2 were not terrorists at the time they entered Greece so additional screening would be pointless (not to mention impossible, as Lesbos island for sure doesn't have capacity for it!!!). But, once treated how they were treated they became an easy targets for ISIS. Without hope and money, vulnerable and weak in every sense, many disappointed in life, Europe and there we go... offered money to blown themselves up and they just did it.

Refugees are escaping the same (actually much worse) that we just saw in Paris.

That's not up for debate anymore, 3 of these terrorists came in with recent migrant surge, fingerprints were identified.

I have no idea where do you get your news. But what you just said HAS NOT being said anywhere in media. Only one suicide bomber might be a "refugee".

Clueless? Cnn, afp, resuters - many. Three fake recent turkish passports, ferry ticket from greece... btw, even one would be too many.

Could you please copy and paste a link (CNN, AFP...) where anyone said 3 of 8 terrorists were refugees?

Let's not jump into conclusions and called refugees terrorists here, please!

r2d2 · « **Reply #54 on:** November 15, 2015, 12:40 »

In this moment the german home secretary is talking in german tv. He said there is only one syrian passport found.

topol · « **Reply #55 on:** November 15, 2015, 13:03 »

Quote from: KnowYourOnions on November 15, 2015, 12:36

Quote from: topol on November 15, 2015, 12:31
Quote from: KnowYourOnions on November 15, 2015, 12:12
Quote from: topol on November 15, 2015, 11:51
Quote from: KnowYourOnions on November 15, 2015, 06:48
Quote from: topol on November 15, 2015, 05:10

I'm sorry, what are talking about? That "registration" wasn't even a quarter of a measure, it was sad joke. The doors to Europe were kicked open from the inside in the most extreme way possible. Actually it was so extreme they were rushing to transport people in before there was time screen them. Just complete lunacy.

Let's not jump with conclusions, 2 passports could be stolen too....who knows...
Maybe those 2 were not terrorists at the time they entered Greece so additional screening would be pointless (not to mention impossible, as Lesbos island for sure doesn't have capacity for it!!!). But, once treated how they were treated they became an easy targets for ISIS. Without hope and money, vulnerable and weak in every sense, many disappointed in life, Europe and there we go... offered money to blown themselves up and they just did it.

Refugees are escaping the same (actually much worse) that we just saw in Paris.

That's not up for debate anymore, 3 of these terrorists came in with recent migrant surge, fingerprints were identified.

I have no idea where do you get your news. But what you just said HAS NOT being said anywhere in media. Only one suicide bomber might be a "refugee".

Clueless? Cnn, afp, resuters - many. Three fake recent turkish passports, ferry ticket from greece... btw, even one would be too many.

Could you please copy and paste a link (CNN, AFP...) where anyone said 3 of 8 terrorists were refugees?

Let's not jump into conclusions and called refugees terrorists here, please!

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/15/world/paris-attacks/index.html

Don't put words into my mouth (ever) I didn't call any refugees terrorists, I said they hide among them. I actually never even wrote refugees, since they are migrants, coming from turkey - where there is no war.

KnowYourOnions · « **Reply #56 on:** November 15, 2015, 13:25 »

Quote from: topol on November 15, 2015, 13:03

Quote from: KnowYourOnions on November 15, 2015, 12:36
Quote from: topol on November 15, 2015, 12:31
Quote from: KnowYourOnions on November 15, 2015, 12:12
Quote from: topol on November 15, 2015, 11:51
Quote from: KnowYourOnions on November 15, 2015, 06:48
Quote from: topol on November 15, 2015, 05:10

I'm sorry, what are talking about? That "registration" wasn't even a quarter of a measure, it was sad joke. The doors to Europe were kicked open from the inside in the most extreme way possible. Actually it was so extreme they were rushing to transport people in before there was time screen them. Just complete lunacy.

Let's not jump with conclusions, 2 passports could be stolen too....who knows...
Maybe those 2 were not terrorists at the time they entered Greece so additional screening would be pointless (not to mention impossible, as Lesbos island for sure doesn't have capacity for it!!!). But, once treated how they were treated they became an easy targets for ISIS. Without hope and money, vulnerable and weak in every sense, many disappointed in life, Europe and there we go... offered money to blown themselves up and they just did it.

Refugees are escaping the same (actually much worse) that we just saw in Paris.

That's not up for debate anymore, 3 of these terrorists came in with recent migrant surge, fingerprints were identified.

I have no idea where do you get your news. But what you just said HAS NOT being said anywhere in media. Only one suicide bomber might be a "refugee".

Clueless? Cnn, afp, resuters - many. Three fake recent turkish passports, ferry ticket from greece... btw, even one would be too many.

Could you please copy and paste a link (CNN, AFP...) where anyone said 3 of 8 terrorists were refugees?

Let's not jump into conclusions and called refugees terrorists here, please!

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/15/world/paris-attacks/index.html

Don't put words into my mouth (ever) I didn't call any refugees terrorists, I said they hide among them. I actually never even wrote refugees, since they are migrants, coming from turkey - where there is no war.

Ok you didn't directly call refugees terrorist, but you did previously say that 3 out of 8 entered EU as refugees, which is NOT true!!!

This link you provided is also talking about only ONE terrorist ...

"...One of three bombers who detonated themselves at the Stade de France late Friday arrived on the Greek island of Leros on October 3 among numerous Syrian refugees, Amanpour reported, citing an unnamed French senator who was briefed by the Ministry of the Interior."

Let the investigation finish their job and get those criminals involved punish!

cobalt · « **Reply #57 on:** November 15, 2015, 13:43 »

The terrorists have enough people with european or us passports and enough money to take a plane to go wherever they like. Isis is taking in over 1 million dollars a day just from selling syrian oil.

Their people don´t need to treck across europe in sandals with babies.

Much easier to go the legal route.

Ask yourself, why Greece hasn´t had extremist attacks although they have been flooded for years with refugees.

Besides, they don´t want the people to leave Syria or Irak. They want them to stay so they can rule over them. Many refugees also risk having their families killed if they flee. They really are sitting between all fires.

But increasing the fear of muslims and refugees is exactly what they want. More discrimination against muslims, more money and fighters from frustrated people for them.

PeterChigmaroff · « **Reply #58 on:** November 15, 2015, 13:50 »

Quote from: cobalt on November 15, 2015, 13:43

The terrorists have enough people with european or us passports and enough money to take a plane to go wherever they like. Isis is taking in over 1 million dollars a day just from selling syrian oil.

Their people don´t need to treck across europe in sandals with babies.

Much easier to go the legal route.

Ask yourself, why Greece hasn´t had extremist attacks although they have been flooded for years with refugees.

I totally agree, the refugees hide terrorists argument is perfect for those opposed to immigration. Just like Donald Trump standing on his high horse bellowing out the need to arm the entire population of the world with guns. MORE GUNS, that would fix this problem.

r2d2 · « **Reply #59 on:** November 15, 2015, 13:55 »

Quote from: Zeus on November 15, 2015, 13:50

Quote from: cobalt on November 15, 2015, 13:43
The terrorists have enough people with european or us passports and enough money to take a plane to go wherever they like. Isis is taking in over 1 million dollars a day just from selling syrian oil.

Their people don´t need to treck across europe in sandals with babies.

Much easier to go the legal route.

Ask yourself, why Greece hasn´t had extremist attacks although they have been flooded for years with refugees.
I totally agree, the refugees hide terrorists argument is perfect for those opposed to immigration. Just like Donald Trump standing on his high horse bellowing out the need to arm the entire population of the world with guns. MORE GUNS, that would fix this problem.

Totaly agree thank you cobalt and zeus!

KnowYourOnions · « **Reply #60 on:** November 15, 2015, 13:56 »

Quote from: Zeus on November 15, 2015, 13:50

Quote from: cobalt on November 15, 2015, 13:43
The terrorists have enough people with european or us passports and enough money to take a plane to go wherever they like. Isis is taking in over 1 million dollars a day just from selling syrian oil.

Their people don´t need to treck across europe in sandals with babies.

Much easier to go the legal route.

Ask yourself, why Greece hasn´t had extremist attacks although they have been flooded for years with refugees.
I totally agree, the refugees hide terrorists argument is perfect for those opposed to immigration. Just like Donald Trump standing on his high horse bellowing out the need to arm the entire population of the world with guns. MORE GUNS, that would fix this problem.

Thank you both, well said!

topol · « **Reply #61 on:** November 15, 2015, 15:27 »

Quote from: cobalt on November 15, 2015, 13:43

The terrorists have enough people with european or us passports and enough money to take a plane to go wherever they like. Isis is taking in over 1 million dollars a day just from selling syrian oil.

Their people don´t need to treck across europe in sandals with babies.

Much easier to go the legal route.

Ask yourself, why Greece hasn´t had extremist attacks although they have been flooded for years with refugees.

Besides, they don´t want the people to leave Syria or Irak. They want them to stay so they can rule over them. Many refugees also risk having their families killed if they flee. They really are sitting between all fires.

But increasing the fear of muslims and refugees is exactly what they want. More discrimination against muslims, more money and fighters from frustrated people for them.

Yes, and those people are suspect to be tracked by intel agencies already, so the opportunity for getting more fresh ones in with the unmanageable torrent of migrants is just about perfect.

..and anyway the fact that there are people around, who seem to be hell bent on denying that the migrant torrent from terrorist prone areas is a huge security threat, is just mindblowing... it's just one of thsoe WTH moments.

topol · « **Reply #62 on:** November 15, 2015, 15:30 »

Quote from: KnowYourOnions on November 15, 2015, 13:25

Quote from: topol on November 15, 2015, 13:03
Quote from: KnowYourOnions on November 15, 2015, 12:36
Quote from: topol on November 15, 2015, 12:31
Quote from: KnowYourOnions on November 15, 2015, 12:12
Quote from: topol on November 15, 2015, 11:51
Quote from: KnowYourOnions on November 15, 2015, 06:48
Quote from: topol on November 15, 2015, 05:10

I'm sorry, what are talking about? That "registration" wasn't even a quarter of a measure, it was sad joke. The doors to Europe were kicked open from the inside in the most extreme way possible. Actually it was so extreme they were rushing to transport people in before there was time screen them. Just complete lunacy.

Let's not jump with conclusions, 2 passports could be stolen too....who knows...
Maybe those 2 were not terrorists at the time they entered Greece so additional screening would be pointless (not to mention impossible, as Lesbos island for sure doesn't have capacity for it!!!). But, once treated how they were treated they became an easy targets for ISIS. Without hope and money, vulnerable and weak in every sense, many disappointed in life, Europe and there we go... offered money to blown themselves up and they just did it.

Refugees are escaping the same (actually much worse) that we just saw in Paris.

That's not up for debate anymore, 3 of these terrorists came in with recent migrant surge, fingerprints were identified.

I have no idea where do you get your news. But what you just said HAS NOT being said anywhere in media. Only one suicide bomber might be a "refugee".

Clueless? Cnn, afp, resuters - many. Three fake recent turkish passports, ferry ticket from greece... btw, even one would be too many.

Could you please copy and paste a link (CNN, AFP...) where anyone said 3 of 8 terrorists were refugees?

Let's not jump into conclusions and called refugees terrorists here, please!

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/15/world/paris-attacks/index.html

Don't put words into my mouth (ever) I didn't call any refugees terrorists, I said they hide among them. I actually never even wrote refugees, since they are migrants, coming from turkey - where there is no war.

Ok you didn't directly call refugees terrorist, but you did previously say that 3 out of 8 entered EU as refugees, which is NOT true!!!

This link you provided is also talking about only ONE terrorist ...

"...One of three bombers who detonated themselves at the Stade de France late Friday arrived on the Greek island of Leros on October 3 among numerous Syrian refugees, Amanpour reported, citing an unnamed French senator who was briefed by the Ministry of the Interior."

Let the investigation finish their job and get those criminals involved punish!

if you have been following the migrant crisis for more than 5 minutes you may know that (fake) syrian / (fake) turkish passports pretty much equals migrants, but since that's not 100% scientific proof, they don't want to say it loud.

gbalex · « **Reply #63 on:** November 15, 2015, 15:35 »

Quote from: cobalt on November 15, 2015, 05:27

However, sects that brainwash people are nothing new. What is new is how professionally this is organized and how far this can reach via the internet and global travel.

I believe in following the money trail. All that oil money from the oil fields in irak, money from drugs in Afghanistan and putting extreme pressure, or boycotts on Saudi Arabia until they stamp out the radicals in their country. I absolutely don´t understand why such an extreme dictatorship is being considered an "ally".

But most of all, we cannot just go back to living and worrying only about our own countries, globalisation and the internet networks mean we are truly one single planet, borders and countries are becoming irrelevant.

We need to embrace the global reality, we can´t turn the time back.

Conflicts, climate change etc...are no longer local, they affect us everywhere.

Eta: I read a lot of comments on the New YorkTimes and social networks demanding a quick military solution. "Bomb them back into the stone age / use nuclear bombs"

However this will kill thousands of civilians and among the survivors you create thousands of new terrorists. While the masterminds will just slip away like water and move on to the next country. There is no simple, quick solution.

We also have to engage in nation building and bringing jobs to far away places, just to protect ourselves, even if this is crazy. Bringing education and knowledge to far away places, via the internet,student exchange etc...it is a very slow process.

The world needs good thinkers and very clever diplomacy, not more war machine. People who can envision peace for generations, not short drama for their reelection campaign. Logic instead of emotions.

Tactical military strikes to take out military stromgholds, but not mass bombardement or indiscriminate sanctions that withold medication etc...all those children that died in irak because of extreme sanctions and Madeleine Albright then saying on TV "they died for a good cause".

You made some very good points in this post and others and I agree. The war machine makes it easy to radicalize those who have been ravaged by war.

The terrorist struck two blows with recent attacks, they are actively seeking division by means of stigmatizing & vilifying refugees who could later become new recruits. Hitler and friends would approve.

stuttershock · « **Reply #64 on:** November 15, 2015, 15:47 »

Quote from: Noedelhap on November 14, 2015, 17:57

Quote from: r2d2 on November 14, 2015, 17:00
Quote from: Firewall on November 14, 2015, 16:52
Quote from: Microstockphoto on November 14, 2015, 16:34
They were in no way related to refugees.

2 of them were registered as such

Syriens that escaped from IS do attacks in the name of IS?
Please stop talking nonsense.

You don't seem to understand. At least two of the perpetrators were posing as refugees in order to gain access to Europe, but they were in fact IS fighters. It's a fact. They came in by boat via Greece and were actually registered there as refugee.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/14/us-france-shooting-greece-idUSKCN0T312W20151114#ZWXWb3Yt8sAkXiqm.97

while these details may or may not be true, quoting Reuters, OF ALL "SOURCES", to kind-a "prove" something to be a fact is a very bad idea: Reuters is an integral -- as in very central! -- part of that group of global companies that those "suppliers of arms" (quoted elsewhere in this thread) belong to.

Just saying...

KnowYourOnions · « **Reply #65 on:** November 15, 2015, 17:02 »

Quote from: stuttershock on November 15, 2015, 15:47

Quote from: Noedelhap on November 14, 2015, 17:57
Quote from: r2d2 on November 14, 2015, 17:00
Quote from: Firewall on November 14, 2015, 16:52
Quote from: Microstockphoto on November 14, 2015, 16:34
They were in no way related to refugees.

2 of them were registered as such

Syriens that escaped from IS do attacks in the name of IS?
Please stop talking nonsense.

You don't seem to understand. At least two of the perpetrators were posing as refugees in order to gain access to Europe, but they were in fact IS fighters. It's a fact. They came in by boat via Greece and were actually registered there as refugee.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/14/us-france-shooting-greece-idUSKCN0T312W20151114#ZWXWb3Yt8sAkXiqm.97

while these details may or may not be true, quoting Reuters, OF ALL "SOURCES", to kind-a "prove" something to be a fact is a very bad idea: Reuters is an integral -- as in very central! -- part of that group of global companies that those "suppliers of arms" (quoted elsewhere in this thread) belong to.

Just saying...

Amen!

Nikovsk · « **Reply #66 on:** November 15, 2015, 17:07 »

Even if 99,99% of freebie seekers are not terrorists, they certainly commit a hell lot of crime especially rape, sexual harassment and robbery. They will never show this on the mainstream media obviously, but there are tons of data available.

Germany: Leaked police report reveal that 38,000 Muslim “asylum seekers” committed 100 crimes per day in 2014
Imagine what's like in 2015 with 400% more illegals. When you take Germany away from the germans, the natural reaction is nationalism. It's a matter of survival, either you fight back or you're conquered. Common sense is coming back to Europe though, Poland and Latvia already said they won't take muslims anymore. Eurosceptic anti immigration parties will gain strength across Europe because people are tired of EU failure.

r2d2 · « **Reply #67 on:** November 15, 2015, 17:30 »

Quote from: Nikovsk on November 15, 2015, 17:07

Even if 99,99% of freebie seekers are not terrorists, they certainly commit a hell lot of crime especially rape, sexual harassment and robbery. They will never show this on the mainstream media obviously, but there are tons of data available.

Germany: Leaked police report reveal that 38,000 Muslim “asylum seekers” committed 100 crimes per day in 2014
Imagine what's like in 2015 with 400% more illegals. When you take Germany away from the germans, the natural reaction is nationalism. It's a matter of survival, either you fight back or you're conquered. Common sense is coming back to Europe though, Poland and Latvia already said they won't take muslims anymore. Eurosceptic anti immigration parties will gain strength across Europe because people are tired of EU failure.

But Latvia and Poland take the money from the EU. In my view they should get no penny from the EU if they dont want to take refugees.

And what is this mysterious leaked police report?

Nikovsk · « **Reply #68 on:** November 15, 2015, 17:34 »

I hope EU stop funding them too, so they'll have another reason to leave this mess.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6668/germany-migrant-crime-wave

dirkr · « **Reply #69 on:** November 15, 2015, 17:45 »

Quote from: Nikovsk on November 15, 2015, 17:34

I hope EU stop funding them too, so they'll have another reason to leave this mess.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6668/germany-migrant-crime-wave

Look at the source of that "information".
And then tell me what you believe.
Has nothing to do with reality in Germany.

ShadySue · « **Reply #70 on:** November 15, 2015, 17:59 »

Quote from: Nikovsk on November 15, 2015, 17:07

Even if 99,99% of freebie seekers are not terrorists, they certainly commit a hell lot of crime especially rape, sexual harassment and robbery. They will never show this on the mainstream media obviously, but there are tons of data available.

Germany: Leaked police report reveal that 38,000 Muslim “asylum seekers” committed 100 crimes per day in 2014
Imagine what's like in 2015 with 400% more illegals. When you take Germany away from the germans, the natural reaction is nationalism. It's a matter of survival, either you fight back or you're conquered. Common sense is coming back to Europe though, Poland and Latvia already said they won't take muslims anymore. Eurosceptic anti immigration parties will gain strength across Europe because people are tired of EU failure.

I can only find a few online examples of that 'leaked police report', apparently emanating from the Gatestone Institute.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6668/germany-migrant-crime-wave
According to a Wikipedia article, whose impartiality is under question, the Gatestone Institute "describes itself as a "non-partisan, not-for-profit international policy council and think tank is dedicated to educating the public about what the mainstream media fails to report." The organization believes that traditional news outlets conduct insufficient and, as a result, misleading reporting on critical issues, and thus it distributes its own information about events in the Middle East and Muslim populations in other parts of the world."

I have never heard of it, however RightWeb, an arm of the Institute for Policy Studies (allegedly 'left wing' but I know nothing about it either)
"The Gatestone Institute is a New York-based advocacy organization that is tied to neoconservative and other right-wing networks in the United States and Europe.[1] Chaired by John Bolton, a former Bush administration diplomat and a conservative foreign policy hardliner, Gatestone is a clearinghouse for right-wing commentaries on national security, the Middle East, and Islam, as well as a convener of high-dollar events on security and energy issues. It is an offshoot of the neoconservative Hudson Institute."
...
The institute was founded in 2011 by Nina Rosenwald, an heiress of the Sears Roebuck empire who has been a key philanthropic backer of anti-Muslim groups and individuals in the United States. Describing Gatestone's origins, journalist Max Blumenthal writes: "Through her affiliation with the Washington-based Hudson Institute, where Norman Podhoretz is an adjunct fellow, Rosenwald established a branch of the think tank in New York City. Operating under the Hudson banner, Rosenwald brought [the controversial anti-Islam Dutch politician Geert Wilders] to town in 2008 to warn against the Muslim plot to 'rule the world by the sword.' Wilders's tirade during that visit against the prophet Muhammad, whom he described as 'a warlord, a mass murderer, a pedophile,' was strident even by the standards of the hawkish Hudson Institute. By 2011 … Rosenwald separated Hudson New York City from Hudson's national branch, changing her organization's name to the Gatestone Institute."
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/gatestone_institute

I have no idea of the veracity of the alleged 'police report leak', but we have to ask ourselves: if the problem in Germany had been anything like as great as that article suggests, why would Germany have been foremost in accepting more Syrian asylum-seekers?

ShadySue · « **Reply #71 on:** November 15, 2015, 18:00 »

Quote from: Nikovsk on November 15, 2015, 17:34

I hope EU stop funding them too, so they'll have another reason to leave this mess.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6668/germany-migrant-crime-wave

If you ever quit micro, you'll easily find a home at the Daily Mail.

r2d2 · « **Reply #72 on:** November 15, 2015, 18:01 »

Quote from: Nikovsk on November 15, 2015, 17:34

I hope EU stop funding them too, so they'll have another reason to leave this mess.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6668/germany-migrant-crime-wave

Im born in the Ruhrpott near Duisburg and i can assure you can stop your car everywhere without having trouble!

cobalt · « **Reply #73 on:** November 15, 2015, 18:02 »

Many Germans here live next door to refugees. Our school gymnasiums, any hostel, empty office buildings are being filled up with them.

The only crime wave that has drastically gone up is by neonazis burning down buildings, attacking refugees and people that look like refugees and even attacked a pregnant somali woman. And in my city the new mayor was stabbed and he also knifed down other Germans at a local food market.

So crimes by "real germans" have gone up several hundred percent. But the police and also many stores don´t report rising crime through refugees. Shopkeepers put up posters in front of their stores and on social media that they are not seeing a rise in crimes.

We do get people who ride bicycles on the highway (not allowed here), a lot more oriental music and satellite dishes.

Most of all, muslims are nothing new for us. Maybe for some small east german villages, but The majority lives in cities. We don´t care where people come from. My hometown has the largest mosque in Germany, so I guess we should suffer first...but things are fine.

But the rise in rightwing extremists, is a real concern. There are some really brutal and violent white power gangs raising their ugly heads.

ShadySue · « **Reply #74 on:** November 15, 2015, 18:08 »

Quote from: cobalt on November 15, 2015, 18:02

Many Germans here live next door to refugees. Our school gymnasiums, any hostel, empty office buildings are being filled up with them.

The only crime wave that has drastically gone up is by neonazis burning down buildings, attacking refugees and people that look like refugees and even attacked a pregnant somali woman. And in my city the new mayor was stabbed and he also knifed down other Germans at a local food market.

So crimes by "real germans" have gone up several hundred percent. But the police and also many stores don´t report rising crime through refugees. Shopkeepers put up posters in front of their stores and on social media that they are not seeing a rise in crimes.

We do get people who ride bicycles on the highway (not allowed here), a lot more oriental music and satellite dishes.

Most of all, muslims are nothing new for us. Maybe for some small east german villages, but The majority lives in cities. We don´t care where people come from.

But the rise in rightwing extremists, is a real concern. There are some really brutal and violent white power gangs raising their ugly heads.

That's what I'm reading here in the UK.
In fact, when I looked up 'Germany leaked police report about refugees' this is the story which came up again and again:
e.g.
"Police uncover far-Right plot to attack refugee shelters in Germany
The discovery comes as a leaked police report suggests far-Right nationalists could attack refugees as well as political leaders supportive of them"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11948175/Far-Right-extremists-could-attack-refugees-with-acid-or-wooden-clubs-says-German-police.html
(NB, the Telegraph has a right wing/Conservative Party editorial stance)

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