Author Topic: UFOs now called UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon) Crowd Stories and photos. (Read 53624 times)

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #675 on:** April 11, 2024, 13:48 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 05, 2024, 09:32

Quote from: alan b traehern on April 05, 2024, 08:37
UAP are real, they just aren't aliens.
Who are they?

Sorry for making some fun and answering. I see that I set off lowls into a raging rampage of some sort of political rant. Sure thing, aliens are they, not IT, because we need to have feelings for them.

Quote from: Lowls on April 11, 2024, 05:33

A political movement decided to neutralise pronouns to strengthen weakening equality based on gender and gender pay gaps, rights a freedoms on a global setting.

Finally this was a thread about UAP and it should NOT stray from that and into your personal feelings regarding that or for that matter any minority group in a derogatory tone again, mocking or otherwise.

Oh Wow! Yes your almighty highness. I beg you forgiveness for making a joke about the question of aliens and their gender or what to call them. Take your meds and a few deep breaths. Count to ten... please, don't explode.

Lowls · « **Reply #676 on:** April 11, 2024, 18:19 »

Quote from: Stock4Me on April 11, 2024, 08:12

Space aliens are a minority group? Pete was right, you have no sense of humor and can't recognize a joke.

it is illegal to be LGBT in 64 UN member States. In Brunei, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia and Yemen, the death penalty is imposed across the county.

That's a point of humour for you? Not something youde say to my face.

Lowls · « **Reply #677 on:** April 11, 2024, 18:21 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 11, 2024, 13:48

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 05, 2024, 09:32
Quote from: alan b traehern on April 05, 2024, 08:37
UAP are real, they just aren't aliens.
Who are they?

Sorry for making some fun and answering. I see that I set off lowls into a raging rampage of some sort of political rant. Sure thing, aliens are they, not IT, because we need to have feelings for them.

Quote from: Lowls on April 11, 2024, 05:33
A political movement decided to neutralise pronouns to strengthen weakening equality based on gender and gender pay gaps, rights a freedoms on a global setting.

Finally this was a thread about UAP and it should NOT stray from that and into your personal feelings regarding that or for that matter any minority group in a derogatory tone again, mocking or otherwise.

Oh Wow! Yes your almighty highness. I beg you forgiveness for making a joke about the question of aliens and their gender or what to call them. Take your meds and a few deep breaths. Count to ten... please, don't explode.

oh ... sniffle ... please stop ... whimper. Memory lapse?

alan b traehern · « **Reply #678 on:** April 12, 2024, 07:58 »

Quote from: Lowls on April 11, 2024, 05:33

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 10, 2024, 11:19
Quote from: Lowls on April 06, 2024, 10:07
Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 05, 2024, 13:45
Quote from: stoker2014 on April 05, 2024, 09:32
Quote from: alan b traehern on April 05, 2024, 08:37
UAP are real, they just aren't aliens.
Who are they?

That's a politically correct term for non-gender, non-racial, unidentified objects, which are as a collection, "they". Otherwise the answer might be, people see something but IT isn't aliens?

wow

It would take a sense of humor to understand the politically correct language and current gender terms police. We aren't males or female anymore, the PC crowd wants us to be called "They". And since we don't know what gender aliens might be, we'd probably want to call them "It" instead of they? Or maybe that's rude and the unknown life forms are they and not it?

First problem is, no one has proof that "they" exist, or that "they" are visiting us, lights in the sky are not they, lights are an IT. As in It Came From Outer Space

Beware of the giant eyeball alien in the mine.

Anyone think any of this sounds familiar and like modern alien stories? Crashed ship, in the desert, 1953, Arizona, abductions... "Putnam finally discovers the spaceship and learns from the alien leader that they crashed on Earth by accident; the aliens appear benign and only plan to stay on Earth just long enough to repair their damaged craft and then continue on their voyage. The aliens' real appearance, when finally revealed to Putnam, is entirely non-human: they are large, single-eyed, almost jellyfish-like beings that seem to glide across the ground, leaving a glistening trail that soon vanishes. They are also able to shape shift into human form in order to appear human and move around Sand Rock, unobserved, in order to collect their much needed repair materials. To do this, they copy the human forms of the local townspeople that they have abducted. In doing so, however, they fail to reproduce the townspeople's exact personalities, leading to suspicion and eventually to the deaths of two of the aliens. "

There was no intention on the part of the poster to imply a gender issue.

No you took it upon your self to turn it into that because of "the politically correct language and current gender terms police. We aren't males or female anymore, the PC crowd wants us to be called "They".

You bigot, nothing of the sort is happening in the slightest. A political movement decided to neutralise pronouns to strengthen weakening equality based on gender and gender pay gaps, rights a freedoms on a global setting.

This then seeped over and into other areas of society and was taken up by various minority groups and lumped in the LGBTQ+ blah blah gang as a way of thwarting discriminatory legislation.

A noble cause given that it is illegal to be LGBT in 64 UN member States. In Brunei, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia and Yemen, the death penalty is imposed across the county.

The latest was Uganda last year who cried in the streets with joy that a god that was forced violently on them by missionaries was now saved by this new law.

Whilst attempting to enforce the pronoun "they" is imo a nonsese when speaking to an individual I do respect their right to identify as non gender if they wish. And contrary to the popular trope that there are only two genders there are three and has been for as long as there have been humans and is increasing. Male, female and intersex formally hermaphrodite. Which is often quoted as rare but is anything but. It is however a minority classification and isn't a fixed percentage yet they do carry both reproductive organs, internally and externally to varying degrees as well as variations from the XX and XY formats as well as wide ranging hormone levels as do we all.

Finally this was a thread about UAP and it should NOT stray from that and into your personal feelings regarding that or for that matter any minority group in a derogatory tone again, mocking or otherwise.

Nice rant @lowls, what does any of that have to do with aliens from space? Insults, indignation and conspiracy theory, the signatures of the politics of contempt. I didn't expect you to be a follower of the Donlad Trump school of debate.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #679 on:** April 12, 2024, 10:40 »

Quote from: Lowls on April 11, 2024, 18:21

oh ... sniffle ... please stop ... whimper. Memory lapse?

In an open forum, we should always have the choice to agree or disagree with whatever views, others may have. Also, we should always protect someone else’s freedom to do the same, whether it be in our favor or not.

Insults, indignation and conspiracy theory, the signatures of the politics of contempt. I didn't expect you to be a follow of the Donald Trump school.

Memory? Sure thing, I remember:

Quote from: Lowls on May 17, 2023, 17:30

Peter has clearly found his meds 😳 ... pssst Lower the dose.

Where do you start. The Bermuda triangle is a fact. The cause isn't but I subscribe to the underground or underwater mass gas releases experiments that were done which can be found on utube. ... It doesn't explain the various planes that went missing due to instrument failure specifically the compass but many things can cause a compass to fail.

... which brings us to the ignorance of the skeptics self proclaimed or otherwise. I did state at the beginning of the thread ... don't bother. Your ridiculous cliche of "the burden of proof falls to the ones making claims" is the usual trollop trotted out by lazy and idle people. You are the one hurling claims lol. Crack on Peter please prove your claim. You can't though can you because skeptics can never provide any meat to their bone. Its all "nonsense" they cry without any research or any proof what so ever. Lazy. And they never attempt to investigate themselves. They barely bother to research what's out there. One thing is a fact. No one employs skeptics when embarking on a venture do they. Pay them good money to work against you lol.

Many of those interviews are available on utube. Of course all that research had to be done for free according to Peter. Because if you take that research and put the salient points in a book jacket and sell it, it automatically makes you a fraud. Oops. and the lectures these fraudsters attend are also scambait.

Peter is giving away his stock photos for free everyone btw. Just dm him that's right isn't it Peter lol.

Shame you ranted off Peter. Why is anyone's guess but that's you isn't it. What rank did you get to Pete ... I'm curious...

So kind, fair, understanding, open minded and polite. Yeah I remember.

Year of the Dog · « **Reply #680 on:** April 12, 2024, 13:53 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 10, 2024, 13:08

I think society is not being told a lot. I see this in the example of Ukraine. There is zero information about Ukraine on US TV channels. But in Ukraine there is war and genocide. The same can be said about UFOs and aliens. The media of mass disinformation simply do not talk about it and everyone thinks that it means none of this. It's simple. This is a massive deception of the masses through the media.

Less than 0.1% of the population, or 1 in 1,000 people, has been diagnosed with gender dysphoria. We read about the people with a psychological disorder and the other alphabet people, making the news as they force their personal choice issues on us. You brought up something more important to the world, where an entire country is being taken over, at war, people dying. Genocide, civilians murdered, the Russian government lying on a daily basis. UFOs and aliens are not news or important, they are just sensational stories to sell tabloids or fantasy books.

Our gender is not debatable, labeled as assigned at birth, it is our genetics. We don't get to pick, based on some emotion or psychological disorder. People being murdered in the Ukraine is more important. If you don't see enough honest news, you aren't looking in the right places. If you are depending on news that comes out of Russia, of course it's all lies and coverup. The rest of the world is showing us the truth.

Lowls · « **Reply #681 on:** April 15, 2024, 01:56 »

Quote from: Year of the Dog on April 12, 2024, 13:53

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 10, 2024, 13:08
I think society is not being told a lot. I see this in the example of Ukraine. There is zero information about Ukraine on US TV channels. But in Ukraine there is war and genocide. The same can be said about UFOs and aliens. The media of mass disinformation simply do not talk about it and everyone thinks that it means none of this. It's simple. This is a massive deception of the masses through the media.

Less than 0.1% of the population, or 1 in 1,000 people, has been diagnosed with gender dysphoria. We read about the people with a psychological disorder and the other alphabet people, making the news as they force their personal choice issues on us. You brought up something more important to the world, where an entire country is being taken over, at war, people dying. Genocide, civilians murdered, the Russian government lying on a daily basis. UFOs and aliens are not news or important, they are just sensational stories to sell tabloids or fantasy books.

Our gender is not debatable, labeled as assigned at birth, it is our genetics. We don't get to pick, based on some emotion or psychological disorder. People being murdered in the Ukraine is more important. If you don't see enough honest news, you aren't looking in the right places. If you are depending on news that comes out of Russia, of course it's all lies and coverup. The rest of the world is showing us the truth.

The moderators on this forum chose to remove certain posts and leave the slur "Alphabet People".

I will not debate this subject further.

However I also cannot prevent others doing so with a moderation team who feel it appropriate to allow such slurs to remain. Of course that means your unpleasant statements are in the public domain where your customers exist who will of course contain "Alphabet People". Good luck with that.

Year of the Dog · « **Reply #682 on:** April 15, 2024, 13:31 »

Quote from: Lowls on April 15, 2024, 01:56

Quote from: Year of the Dog on April 12, 2024, 13:53
Quote from: stoker2014 on April 10, 2024, 13:08
I think society is not being told a lot. I see this in the example of Ukraine. There is zero information about Ukraine on US TV channels. But in Ukraine there is war and genocide. The same can be said about UFOs and aliens. The media of mass disinformation simply do not talk about it and everyone thinks that it means none of this. It's simple. This is a massive deception of the masses through the media.

Less than 0.1% of the population, or 1 in 1,000 people, has been diagnosed with gender dysphoria. We read about the people with a psychological disorder and the other alphabet people, making the news as they force their personal choice issues on us. You brought up something more important to the world, where an entire country is being taken over, at war, people dying. Genocide, civilians murdered, the Russian government lying on a daily basis. UFOs and aliens are not news or important, they are just sensational stories to sell tabloids or fantasy books.

Our gender is not debatable, labeled as assigned at birth, it is our genetics. We don't get to pick, based on some emotion or psychological disorder. People being murdered in the Ukraine is more important. If you don't see enough honest news, you aren't looking in the right places. If you are depending on news that comes out of Russia, of course it's all lies and coverup. The rest of the world is showing us the truth.

The moderators on this forum chose to remove certain posts and leave the slur "Alphabet People".

I will not debate this subject further.

However I also cannot prevent others doing so with a moderation team who feel it appropriate to allow such slurs to remain. Of course that means your unpleasant statements are in the public domain where your customers exist who will of course contain "Alphabet People". Good luck with that.

You have no problem calling anyone who disagrees with you a racist and a bigot. When someone disagrees you want them censored, to block their free opinion and thoughts. When anyone disagrees with your nutty UFO and alien crap, you come out slinging personal attacks and ignoring the facts that don't fit. Maybe it's you who should be blocked because of your unpleasant statements. You don't get to trample my thought and free speech with your close minded woke agenda, that doesn't allow anyone saying any different than what you believe.

The moderation team lets you get away with lies and personal attacks, why should they be censoring a word or phrase that defines the many fringe groups?

Lowls · « **Reply #683 on:** April 15, 2024, 16:23 »

Quote from: Year of the Dog on April 15, 2024, 13:31

Quote from: Lowls on April 15, 2024, 01:56
Quote from: Year of the Dog on April 12, 2024, 13:53
Quote from: stoker2014 on April 10, 2024, 13:08
I think society is not being told a lot. I see this in the example of Ukraine. There is zero information about Ukraine on US TV channels. But in Ukraine there is war and genocide. The same can be said about UFOs and aliens. The media of mass disinformation simply do not talk about it and everyone thinks that it means none of this. It's simple. This is a massive deception of the masses through the media.

Less than 0.1% of the population, or 1 in 1,000 people, has been diagnosed with gender dysphoria. We read about the people with a psychological disorder and the other alphabet people, making the news as they force their personal choice issues on us. You brought up something more important to the world, where an entire country is being taken over, at war, people dying. Genocide, civilians murdered, the Russian government lying on a daily basis. UFOs and aliens are not news or important, they are just sensational stories to sell tabloids or fantasy books.

Our gender is not debatable, labeled as assigned at birth, it is our genetics. We don't get to pick, based on some emotion or psychological disorder. People being murdered in the Ukraine is more important. If you don't see enough honest news, you aren't looking in the right places. If you are depending on news that comes out of Russia, of course it's all lies and coverup. The rest of the world is showing us the truth.

The moderators on this forum chose to remove certain posts and leave the slur "Alphabet People".

I will not debate this subject further.

However I also cannot prevent others doing so with a moderation team who feel it appropriate to allow such slurs to remain. Of course that means your unpleasant statements are in the public domain where your customers exist who will of course contain "Alphabet People". Good luck with that.

You have no problem calling anyone who disagrees with you a racist and a bigot. When someone disagrees you want them censored, to block their free opinion and thoughts. When anyone disagrees with your nutty UFO and alien crap, you come out slinging personal attacks and ignoring the facts that don't fit. Maybe it's you who should be blocked because of your unpleasant statements. You don't get to trample my thought and free speech with your close minded woke agenda, that doesn't allow anyone saying any different than what you believe.

The moderation team lets you get away with lies and personal attacks, why should they be censoring a word or phrase that defines the many fringe groups?

quoted.

Lowls · « **Reply #684 on:** April 22, 2024, 18:18 »

Last post to bring this to a close.

Blackvault is a repository for freedom requests and responses. Sean Kirkpatrick it transpires used signal (like whatsapp) for speaking about David Grusch to Chris Mellon. Soon Sean did so in an official capacity so the signal messages have been logged and can be FOIR'd

But he has doubled down and has been running around basically saying things that aren't accurate. So Chris Mellon was quite surprised that his conversation was recorded by Kirkpatrick and came out via twitter.

Clearly Chris Mellon is done with the secrecy any more so decided to post his own signal messages. And it's done. So the purpose of this thread has been achieved. Enjoy.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #685 on:** April 23, 2024, 06:47 »

Quote from: Year of the Dog on April 12, 2024, 13:53

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 10, 2024, 13:08
I think society is not being told a lot. I see this in the example of Ukraine. There is zero information about Ukraine on US TV channels. But in Ukraine there is war and genocide. The same can be said about UFOs and aliens. The media of mass disinformation simply do not talk about it and everyone thinks that it means none of this. It's simple. This is a massive deception of the masses through the media.

Less than 0.1% of the population, or 1 in 1,000 people, has been diagnosed with gender dysphoria. We read about the people with a psychological disorder and the other alphabet people, making the news as they force their personal choice issues on us. You brought up something more important to the world, where an entire country is being taken over, at war, people dying. Genocide, civilians murdered, the Russian government lying on a daily basis. UFOs and aliens are not news or important, they are just sensational stories to sell tabloids or fantasy books.

Our gender is not debatable, labeled as assigned at birth, it is our genetics. We don't get to pick, based on some emotion or psychological disorder. People being murdered in the Ukraine is more important. If you don't see enough honest news, you aren't looking in the right places. If you are depending on news that comes out of Russia, of course it's all lies and coverup. The rest of the world is showing us the truth.

Ukraine as an entire country is not captured or occupied completely. You are already making mistakes in your conclusions. I don’t know what country you live in, let’s say you live in the USA. But I can say for sure that you know very little about what is happening in Ukraine and what Russia’s goals are. This is because your media dose the information they give you and pursue political goals so that Biden’s rating does not decrease. After all, the bad news about US politics is the decline in Biden's rating.
Thus, by analogy, it can be argued that the media controlled by different governments do not provide the public with sufficient information about UFOs.
Some certain people know more about UFOs than others because some of the information is kept secret and is not available to most.
You are completely dependent on your media because you don’t watch or read other media. You and your brain are controlled by the US Democratic Party. The same goes for UFOs.

If your media didn’t tell you something, it means you think it doesn’t exist. It's simple. You don’t even think, you know for sure that if they don’t talk about it in the media, then you can walk by and not notice UFOs and aliens.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #686 on:** April 23, 2024, 06:51 »

Thus, the lack of publicly available truthful information about UFOs and aliens makes this topic meaningless. If there is no information, then there is nothing to talk about. We are blind and we are controlled by those in power.

How are we different from a herd of cows or rams? We are no different !!!

Big Toe · « **Reply #687 on:** April 23, 2024, 11:04 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 23, 2024, 06:51

How are we different from a herd of cows or rams? We are no different !!!

Speak for yourself!

LDV81 · « **Reply #688 on:** May 24, 2024, 18:38 »

Recent talk with Colonel Karl Nell at the SALT conference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpl0FrdJWfs

The audience of the SALT conference is NOT average folk, or mainstream media. The audience is highly influential people.

Who is Colonel Karl Nell and excerpts from his resume:

https://new.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cxpsvj/a_reminder_of_who_colonel_karl_nell_is_who_his/

Karl Nell does not play in the same league as, let's say, S. Greer or B. Lazar.

Current employer: United States Army Futures Command
Past employers include Northrop Grumman and Lockheed, which some people believe know a little bit more about UAPs.

In the chain of command, Nell is currently only 4 levels below Joe Biden himself. It is possible that what he said had been consulted with the Biden administration. What is the likelihood of someone in Nell's position telling fairy tales at a conference like SALT?

Meanwhile, AARO will be audited by the Government Accountability Office. Apparently, some people got fed up with Kirkpatrick's shenanigans.

The question is: what is going on?

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #689 on:** May 27, 2024, 11:10 »

Quote from: LDV81 on May 24, 2024, 18:38

The question is: what is going on?

UAPs are what they are, but the alien claims, are neither testable nor falsifiable, so UFO/UAP Alien Visitors, what they are or aren't, does not fall within empirical study. Scientific skepticism regards it as pseudoscience.

Lacking a way to study or confirm or deny, will lead to real science to be skeptical and avoid embracing something, without proof. The believers have a personalized, based on meaningful coincidences, conjecture and some very creative, but unsupported, always changing evidence.

Another way of describing pseudoscience is, the lunch counter buffet type of science. They only take what they want and ignore anything that doesn't agree with their preconceived belief system.

Lets look at some basics. UAPs or UFOs are what they are. Unidentified. The definition is the description and a fact. There's nothing, no proof or evidence that UAP equals Aliens. They are not one in the same as is assumed. There's a leap of logic in assuming that UAPs are caused by alien visitors and not some natural event, or simple misidentified natural phenomena.

What's going on is personal belief vs basic science, with the believers using faulty logic and poor scientific method to claim, to have come to some valid conclusion. In another way, the UFO people have more of a religion system, than scientific system. If they believe something, it's true. Anyone who denies or doubts, is attacked and demonized.

The essential flaw is, how evidence is collected, while excluding anything that doesn't fit, denying skeptical questions, and censoring opposing views or facts. The other side of that flawed "science", is only including data that fits the theory, selected agenda and what supports the claims.

Bottom line: the claims in favor of Aliens, who are visiting in UFOs are are neither testable nor falsifiable. No one can prove they don't exist, and there's no way to test the selective evidence for truth, when most of it is made up or invented.

LDV81 · « **Reply #690 on:** May 29, 2024, 12:29 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on May 27, 2024, 11:10

Quote from: LDV81 on May 24, 2024, 18:38

The question is: what is going on?

UAPs are what they are, but the alien claims, are neither testable nor falsifiable, so UFO/UAP Alien Visitors, what they are or aren't, does not fall within empirical study. Scientific skepticism regards it as pseudoscience.

Lacking a way to study or confirm or deny, will lead to real science to be skeptical and avoid embracing something, without proof. The believers have a personalized, based on meaningful coincidences, conjecture and some very creative, but unsupported, always changing evidence.

Another way of describing pseudoscience is, the lunch counter buffet type of science. They only take what they want and ignore anything that doesn't agree with their preconceived belief system.

Lets look at some basics. UAPs or UFOs are what they are. Unidentified. The definition is the description and a fact. There's nothing, no proof or evidence that UAP equals Aliens. They are not one in the same as is assumed. There's a leap of logic in assuming that UAPs are caused by alien visitors and not some natural event, or simple misidentified natural phenomena.

What's going on is personal belief vs basic science, with the believers using faulty logic and poor scientific method to claim, to have come to some valid conclusion. In another way, the UFO people have more of a religion system, than scientific system. If they believe something, it's true. Anyone who denies or doubts, is attacked and demonized.

The essential flaw is, how evidence is collected, while excluding anything that doesn't fit, denying skeptical questions, and censoring opposing views or facts. The other side of that flawed "science", is only including data that fits the theory, selected agenda and what supports the claims.

Bottom line: the claims in favor of Aliens, who are visiting in UFOs are are neither testable nor falsifiable. No one can prove they don't exist, and there's no way to test the selective evidence for truth, when most of it is made up or invented.

You build a straw man and then you burn it. I don't have any beliefs when it comes to UFOs. But obviously, the phenomenon is real and I am freaking curious to know what is behind it and I would like to find it out.

"some natural event, or simple misidentified natural phenomena" - and that is your belief system. Swamp gas qualifies as a "natural phenomenon" and it is a famous lie presented by the US government decades ago. Things have changed since then, but some people are still stuck in the past. Swamp-gas believers.

In my book, pseudo-scientists are those who lack curiosity and want to sweep the anomaly under the carpet because it conflicts with their worldview.

This is Prof. Kevin Knuth doing real science based on publicly available sensor data provided by the Pentagon:

https://youtu.be/HlYwktOj75A?t=356

That is a real scientist doing real science based on the data he has received from official / credible sources. People who appear in the media pretending to be scientists, but lacking curiosity and wanting to sweep the anomaly under the carpet or ridiculing it are just clowns and not real scientists.

You want evidence or more data? Did you ask your representative to support the Schumer amendment? Why was there such a strong lobby against it, if there is nothing peculiar about the phenomenon?

I assume you're a physicalist, and in that case you have built your whole worldview on an assumption without any evidence/proof whatsoever. It is just when it comes to UFOs, you would like to have immediate access to classified info from people like Grusch or Nell. And for what it's worth, Grusch did provide some classified info/evidence to Inspector General, who in turn deemed it credible.

For crying out loud, stop bringing up those aliens. We have an unexplained phenomenon, with multiple hypotheses proposed. In many cases, natural explanations simply don't make sense. And swamp gas was complete BS. Disinformation from the side of the US government.

Is it conceivable that some people in the US government know more about the phenomenon? Yes, it is conceivable. People like Nell will not present "evidence" to you or me, because it is not his job, he doesn't care if you and I believe him and he does not report to you or me. He reports to people higher in the command chain, and apparently those people are ok with what he has said and don't consider him a lunatic or a "believer". A lunatic in his position would probably be quickly fired.

If it comes to a disclosure at some point, it might look just like that. High-ranked people from the government might say things like Nell and share what they know and what they don't know.

The phenomenon is real, it is not new, it could potentially be of the most important things in human history. It is not swamp gas. I would like to find out what's behind it. It could be important. A few people probably know more about it than the mainstream. You have a belief system, I would simply like to find out what is behind the phenomenon. There is an anomaly. I don't want it to be swept under the carpet for the convenience of people who might experience an ontological shock.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #691 on:** May 30, 2024, 12:40 »

Quote from: LDV81 on May 29, 2024, 12:29

Quote from: Uncle Pete on May 27, 2024, 11:10
Quote from: LDV81 on May 24, 2024, 18:38

The question is: what is going on?

UAPs are what they are, but the alien claims, are neither testable nor falsifiable, so UFO/UAP Alien Visitors, what they are or aren't, does not fall within empirical study. Scientific skepticism regards it as pseudoscience.

Lacking a way to study or confirm or deny, will lead to real science to be skeptical and avoid embracing something, without proof. The believers have a personalized, based on meaningful coincidences, conjecture and some very creative, but unsupported, always changing evidence.

You build a straw man and then you burn it. I don't have any beliefs when it comes to UFOs. But obviously, the phenomenon is real and I am freaking curious to know what is behind it and I would like to find it out.

Maybe no one knows? How can they disclose the answers, if "they" have no answers.

I bring up aliens because the UFO people seem to associate the two and explain that all of this comes from alien visitation. Grusch? You say, why did I mention aliens?

Grusch claimed that "the U.S. federal government maintains a secretive UFO (or UAP) recovery and reverse engineering program and that it is in possession of "non-human" spacecraft along with their "dead pilots"."

Non-Human, dead pilots. What would that be?

Where do you find the truth and facts, when most of the UAP information is mistaken, mis-identification or made up fabrications and distortions. How's that for science. Lets have some evidence to back the claims. I'd go for that.

Claims need proof.

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The phenomenon is real, it is not new, it could potentially be of the most important things in human history.

Why? Do you know what it is that makes it so important? We don't know. Show me the facts.

cascoly · « **Reply #692 on:** May 30, 2024, 13:27 »

Facts? we dont need no stinkin facts!

LDV81 · « **Reply #693 on:** May 30, 2024, 15:47 »

Quote from: cascoly on May 30, 2024, 13:27

Facts? we dont need no stinkin facts!

Speak for yourself!

LDV81 · « **Reply #694 on:** May 30, 2024, 16:01 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on May 30, 2024, 12:40

Maybe no one knows? How can they disclose the answers, if "they" have no answers.

Ha... Retired Admiral Gallaudet, who does seem to have some insider knowledge (or at least is in the position to have insider knowledge), just said "MOST of the intelligence community doesn't know". That is interesting, because it COULD imply that there are some who do know something or even more than something.

https://new.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1d4666l/tim_gallaudet_says_most_of_the_intelligence/

Grusch testified under oath that the knowledge is extremely compartmentalized.
From history: the work on the Manhattan Project was also very compartmentalized with very few people knowing the full scope of the project. And yet it was real.

Timothy Gallaudet is who he claims to be:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Gallaudet

LDV81 · « **Reply #695 on:** May 30, 2024, 16:13 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on May 30, 2024, 12:40

Grusch claimed that "the U.S. federal government maintains a secretive UFO (or UAP) recovery and reverse engineering program and that it is in possession of "non-human" spacecraft along with their "dead pilots"."

Non-Human, dead pilots. What would that be?

Non-human is a broader term than alien (extraterrestrial). The term may include:

- ultraterrestrial: https://www.bernardokastrup.com/2024/01/uaps-and-non-human-intelligence-what-is.html
- extraterrestrial (alien)
- interdimensional (whatever that means)... check the books and life of Robert Monroe to gain new perspectives
- creators of the hypothetical simulation and their avatars

It might be even a combination of multiple hypotheses. I am completely agnostic about them. I want to know what is behind it. And I don't buy "swamp gas" lies.

LDV81 · « **Reply #696 on:** May 30, 2024, 16:46 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on May 30, 2024, 12:40

Where do you find the truth and facts, when most of the UAP information is mistaken, mis-identification or made up fabrications and distortions. How's that for science. Lets have some evidence to back the claims. I'd go for that.

Claims need proof.

You do have some facts for a start.

- decades of stigmatization and lies from the government - swamp gas and similar stories - it is a fact
- the change of tune in 2017 is a fact
- the videos and data released by the Pentagon are a fact and they are only the tip of the iceberg - most cases and videos have not been released (probably we haven't seen the juicy ones yet)

And now watch that bloody video with Prof. Knuth in which he talks about scientific implications based ONLY the acknowledged sensor data from the Nimitz incident and current understanding of physics. ONLY FACTS!

"Claims need proof." - OK, let's see:

- You have ZERO proof that physical matter can achieve consciousness and perceive qualia. But you probably believe in it like in the gospel, because the mainstream was told to believe in it.

- There is no proof of dark matter. And yet the mainstream accepts it. It was invented to prop up the prevalent model of the universe. But a working model, even if it fits the data, is not the same as proof. To understand what "proof" is, check how Pythagorean theorem is proven (spoiler: not by testing dozens of triangles).

So, dark matter was hypothesized in order to explain observations (data) within the assumed laws of physics. It could be right, I am not saying anything. Without dark matter/dark energy we have a gigantic anomaly within the current paradigm.

Now, we also have a gigantic anomaly even if we just stick to the confirmed Nimitz incident backed with sensor data and our current mainstream physics and tech. You need some hypothesis to explain it. You don't start with a proof! You start with one or multiple hypotheses and try to prove or refute them. And no, it was not swamp gas and not a weather balloon.

Clowns and pseudo-skeptics like deGrasse-Tyson would like to sweep the anomaly under the carpet. Scientists, like prof. Knuth, talk about facts, data and implications.

LDV81 · « **Reply #697 on:** May 30, 2024, 16:52 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on May 30, 2024, 12:40

Why? Do you know what it is that makes it so important? We don't know. Show me the facts.

For a start, watch the video with prof. Knuth to understand the energy implications of the Nimitz incident.

LDV81 · « **Reply #698 on:** May 30, 2024, 17:06 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on May 30, 2024, 12:40

Where do you find the truth and facts, when most of the UAP information is mistaken, mis-identification or made up fabrications and distortions. How's that for science. Lets have some evidence to back the claims. I'd go for that.

Then press your Congressmen to support the UAP Disclosure Act 2.0!

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1d4e7c1/rep_robert_garcia_proposes_uap_disclosure_act_20/

https://amendments-rules.house.gov/amendments/GARCRO_115_xml240529153551283.pdf

Nobody owes you any "proof", as a hypothesis doesn't require a proof. You may continue to believe in swamp gas stories, if you want.

But some interesting information might be revealed, if the act is passed. And ask yourself, why was there such a strong opposition to the Schumer's amendment and more transparency. And ask yourself also why is there again bipartisan interest in transparency about something that is allegedly fake or natural phenomena...

cascoly · « **Reply #699 on:** **Yesterday** at 13:44 »

Quote from: LDV81 on May 30, 2024, 15:47

Quote from: cascoly on May 30, 2024, 13:27
Facts? we dont need no stinkin facts!

Speak for yourself!

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