What makes it even worse is their super complicated system for sending the request for re-inspection (IS's version of sending it to a scout I guess). I decided to not bother with rejections at these small, low earnings sites, but the first time I got a silly rejection like that I wanted to, but got turned of by the mess of their interface (thousands of categories, sections etc, like finding a needle in a haystack). The whole site is really not easy to navigate...

Not easy to navigate?
Try to submit a picture is just a terrible experience!
Too complicated, need a lot of time and reviewers reject so many picture that's sell very well everywhere!
I already give up to this site.

Quote from: Wim on February 13, 2012, 11:14
These ridiculous rejections will drive me away from the agency eventualy, same for other agencies.

It's not worth worrying about rejections at minor sites. Just submit your whole port and forget: what one site rejects will sell at another.
If you have a large port, you will end having a good representation of your work everywhere despite some rejections.

Hey last Evanto's Bundlers!

Have you received a payment from the last bundle in February?

They just rejected a bunch of images that were approved at all other agencies.
These reviewers must feel special or have a god complex

The more I do microstock, the more I think I'm in a kindergarten, attitude from agencies or fellow photographers, it don't matter, it feels like one big playground and not a business.
I'm about to reject another agency, what a waste of my precious time.

@Microstockphoto: it is worrying if you spend 12 hours a day on this.

Quote from: Wim on March 06, 2012, 14:01
They just rejected a bunch of images that were approved at all other agencies.
These reviewers must feel special or have a god complex

The more I do microstock, the more I think I'm in a kindergarten, attitude from agencies or fellow photographers, it don't matter, it feels like one big playground and not a business.
I'm about to reject another agency, what a waste of my precious time.

Just had a few rejected which were accepted everywhere else (10 agencies or so). I already said I wouldn't bother with them anymore, but I had a bunch of files already uploaded and processed from over a month ago and I just clicked that submit button...Their reviewers are complete muppets, I've seen bad reviewing on a few occasions, but all of the others were amateurs compared to them (in sense of incompetence that is).

These small sites are a joke anyway. I thought at a time it's probably just me, but then checked the stats of a IS diamond and realized it's normal to get just 200-300 sales per year (instead of in a week or even a couple of days on the top 4)

The site is a bit rough, but once understood it's easy enough to submit, and I didn't get any weird rejections.  But after a few sales it went stone cold and is now deader than a Herman Cain campaign office.  I've stopped even checking the numbers and I'm thinking about pulling out, not because of the lack of sales but because the prices are so low - I don't feel like I should be supporting them.

Just my experience - others are saying they're getting sales.  

Quote from: Wim on March 06, 2012, 14:01
@Microstockphoto: it is worrying if you spend 12 hours a day on this.

Ok, I'm not saying that I don't worry because I don't care (I spend a lot of time on this too). And I agree with your Kindergarten feeling too.

I'm just saying that random rejections - and bad policies in general - backfire more on agencies than on us, because all of us are equally affected; in this sense, it's THEM that should be worried by their own bad reviews

up to a certain point, if a buyer can't find a file he/she will buy another one;
beyond that point, if a buyer can't find too many files he/she will buy at another site;
in the end, it's a closed system and it's all the same for us statistically. Just my opinion.

I agree mate, and thanks for the heads-up, it still gets to me now and then though, especialy the unprofessionalism, hence my frustration.

Just joined PD and I must say I am totally taken aback with the % of rejections - I'm talking of 30-50% rejected images.
They make no sense whatsoever - wish I had known just how bad it was before I started submtting.
Anywho I have resigned myself to just upload everything ( my port is very small only ~500 images) and seeing if I end up with half of that on the site and giving it a year to see how it goes.

The thing with these absurd rejections from a business point of view is this - PD is PAYING people to REJECT potential SALES, because that is basically what it come down to - every image that is rejected is a potential missed sale to a customer

Well thats my lil rant ... off to upload some more

It's my belief that they employ reviewers who have no experience of the stock photo industry but who are just following guidelines that have been given to them, I've had a few rejections with remarks/suggestions about what I should do with the image, which in each case clearly showed the reviewer was clueless about stock, I resubmitted them with a note as to why the reviewer is wrong and every time they've been approved almost instantly. I did this yesterday and it was approved almost instantly and as it happened the image them sold with a couple of hours.

If I was to hazard a guess I'd say they're using a cheap service agency in somewhere like India to do the initial bulk reviewing and then a real reviewer to look at any that come back.

These rejections would make sense if they were based on image quality, not technical, but everything else, with originality and differentiation as most important factors in mind. That way they'd really build a quality collection. If you check files by age on any major agency, you still see, how much crap gets accepted. I mean how many photos of a businesswoman holding a credit card do you really need, especially if every single one of them is bad or even terrible. If they'd adopt such standards, they'd also have to raise the prices significantly since they'd offer something no other agency is. A collection of carefully picked images, that is small enough to find exactly what you need in no time.

Well I thought I would give Photodune a go see what the process was like so yesterday evening after being accepted as contributor I uploaded 110 images via filzilla. Before I went to my bed dismayed they had managed to process just 38 images which I checked keywording and submitted. This morning there are still 72 waiting to be processed before I can check them.

They must have the slowest computer system on the planet. I may not bother in future................

Quote from: RT on March 08, 2012, 16:09
It's my belief that they employ reviewers who have no experience of the stock photo industry but who are just following guidelines that have been given to them, I've had a few rejections with remarks/suggestions about what I should do with the image, which in each case clearly showed the reviewer was clueless about stock, I resubmitted them with a note as to why the reviewer is wrong and every time they've been approved almost instantly. I did this yesterday and it was approved almost instantly and as it happened the image them sold with a couple of hours.

If I was to hazard a guess I'd say they're using a cheap service agency in somewhere like India to do the initial bulk reviewing and then a real reviewer to look at any that come back.

Definitely the impression I got on the graphics side at graphic leftovers. The reviewers seem to have no real idea about the market.

Quote from: borg on March 06, 2012, 13:59
Hey last Evanto's Bundlers!

Have you received a payment from the last bundle in February?

I think so, I got a healthy amount of "Other adjustments earnings" on the 9th March.

Quote from: Perry on March 10, 2012, 13:30

Quote from: borg on March 06, 2012, 13:59
Hey last Evanto's Bundlers!

Have you received a payment from the last bundle in February?

I think so, I got a healthy amount of "Other adjustments earnings" on the 9th March.

+1 

Quote from: borg on March 10, 2012, 13:34

Quote from: Perry on March 10, 2012, 13:30

Quote from: borg on March 06, 2012, 13:59
Hey last Evanto's Bundlers!

Have you received a payment from the last bundle in February?

I think so, I got a healthy amount of "Other adjustments earnings" on the 9th March.

+1 

congratulations to both! is there a place to see them?

Quote from: luissantos84 on March 10, 2012, 14:32

Quote from: borg on March 10, 2012, 13:34

Quote from: Perry on March 10, 2012, 13:30

Quote from: borg on March 06, 2012, 13:59
Hey last Evanto's Bundlers!

Have you received a payment from the last bundle in February?

I think so, I got a healthy amount of "Other adjustments earnings" on the 9th March.

+1  

congratulations to both! is there a place to see them?

Unfortunately, bundle offer is over, so isn't possible any more to see all items from bundle...
But here is mine image which was in...: http://photodune.net/item/computer-service/463689

has the review team gone on holidays for the last week? My stuff have not moved position in it's queue for 4 days now...

Sales are completely dead too. I don't think this site has much of a future...

i get like $1 sale a week lol but my portfolio is only ~130. In the mean time for ~100 portfolio on istock I get 3x the sale, and approval of images aren't as random.

Quote from: frozensage on March 19, 2012, 22:59
i get like $1 sale a week lol but my portfolio is only ~130. In the mean time for ~100 portfolio on istock I get 3x the sale, and approval of images aren't as random.

My IS port gets 132x the sales, while my SS about 200x the sales than PD does

PD did great for me till January, now since then basically dead as well. Few bucks a month. Real shame, it was looking so promising.

Quote from: THP on March 20, 2012, 02:21
PD did great for me till January, now since then basically dead as well. Few bucks a month. Real shame, it was looking so promising.

They had very few contributors at the beginning, but they could tap in to a customer base from the start. Once every contributor piles in, it makes sense that the sales will be diluted. Apart from relying on their own customers which aren't necessarily always looking for images, have pd done anything to get new customers. Remember sales get diluted for contributors, but the agency aren't getting less sales.

August 2011           8 Sales    $6.65
September 2011    34 Sales    $32.50
October 2011         28 Sales    $18.25
November 2011      40 Sales    $23.00
December 2011      36 Sales    $31.68
January 2012         20 Sales    $17.82
February 2012       29 Sales    $20.46
March 2012           13 Sales    $11.88

Total Sales              208 Sales    $162.24