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Adobe Stock / Re: Similars policy
« on: November 29, 2023, 11:00 »
Yeah this doesn't apply to autumn leaves. Golden and Red maple leaves are too similar apparently. Rejected.

There are currently more than 6,000,000 results for the search term "Autumn leaves" in Adobe Stock. For images of common subjects such as this, we will accept them, but there needs to be a WOW! factor involved. If the images don't stand out from the millions of others, we may accept one or two, but not likely many in the series as they would be too "similar" to the files already in abundant supply.

I wish you the best of luck with your future submissions,

Mat Hayward

Ladies and gents - the .....  "wow" ..... factor 🤣 🤔  217 files all from the same port.


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Adobe Stock / Re: Similars policy
« on: November 29, 2023, 09:09 »
Yeah this doesn't apply to autumn leaves. Golden and Red maple leaves are too similar apparently. Rejected.

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So the Schumer amendment is floating in a void at present.
After rumours that Mitch McConnell has been running around claiming the bill is a dead duck suddenly certain congresspeople have risen up to make their stance known.

Those who are deeply opposed and allegedly running around trying to turn the tide to have the amendment thrown out:

Mitch McConnell - Senate Minority Leader

Mike Turner - House Intelligence Chair (Ohio) and home of Write Patterson AFB which is the location  for many of the rumours of retrieved craft being housed there along with "biologics"

Mike Rogers - United States Representative

Mike Johnson - Speaker of the United States House of Representatives

But despite the pushback they are trying to garner more senators are also making their voices heard following contact from their constituents. And it doesn't help that this information is freely available. Senator Mike Turner receives significant funding from aerospace organisations who have allegedly been given retrieved crashed UAP for analysis and have done for years.

It isnt a great look when you are trying to destroy a piece of proposed legislation which would force organisations to hand over crashed craft and biologics and data to the US government when those same organisations fund you. And yet that's what's going down.

It looks as though the eminent domain part of the disclosure act may be being removed.

Mike Turners funding


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Rumours already surfacing that Mitch McConnell approached senator Schumer and told him "Its gone, its out, your UAP amendment has been thrown out"

And because of that a redundancy is being put into motion.

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in less than 72 hours Senater Schumers amendment is due to be either passed or thrown out. It is a brutal amendment and requires any and all to make known what they hold regarding UAP - material, bodies, evidence, retrieved craft and so on. The wording of the amendment leaves almost zero wiggle room. It has been swiftly going through the various stages being pushed along by a large group of senators who want to know the truth.

However senator Mike Turner who's campaign funds are made up of mostly all the military contractors like Lockhead Martin (known to be in possession of at least one craft) and other major defence contractors, had privately been running around attempting to get the amendment thrown out. When this was made public earlier this year he was exposed and forced to go on camera to call it all nonsense.

But despite his claim he has renewed his efforts to prevent the amendment being passed and is fighting tooth and nail to get it thrown out. If there was no truth to the amendment it wouldn't matter if it passed. And yet he is determined to get it thrown out.

These are the last hours you have to contact your senators and let them know how you feel. If the amendment doesn't pass black budget money will be funnelled with zero congressional oversight. None.

This from Chris Mellon -

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Whistle blower David Grusch 2 hours 40 minutes on the Joe Rogan experience dropped a couple of hours ago.

Any infantile comments will be ignored. This man is beyond reproach. His credentials are beyond reproach. His information is beyond reproach and has been investigated fully by congressional members, Intelligence leaders past and present and lawyers. Be extremely careful what you write regarding him because not only will you make yourself look rather stupid anything vaguely iffy legally will be traced. Have no doubt at all that anything regarding this man on any platform is being scraped and monitored. Zero doubt.
This isn't paranoid delusional nonsense, this guy has been vetted and investigated to death and they've found nothing to discredit him. They've (all the 3 letter agencies, Congress, Whitehouse, everyone who matters).

https://open.spotify.com/episode/6D6otpHwnaAc86SS1M8yHm?si=8UHFEs39SoOU_AcQpFDHHw

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Sean Kirkpatrick head of AARO until next month at least has given an off camera round table

After affirming that he has attempted to interview David Grusch several times and been declined (a claim David Grusch denies strongly as does his lawyer) he goes on give more information obtained from those he believes David Grusch may have obtained his claimed information from ...

Q: One quick follow up question. So, you said you think you've all talked to the same people David Grusch did. Are you able to expand on that? What did they share with you all?

DR. KIRKPATRICK: No. For a variety of reasons, so we -- we, obviously, we are obligated to protect all these people's identities for for all kinds of reasons. What they are reporting, we are documenting. They are reviewing and then revalidating that this is what they want to say. We then research all of that collectively. There is a there is a, if you think of it as a story arc, there's a number of people that kind of fit into this story arc.

But then there's these little offshoots and variations on themes. We're investigating each and every one of them. We're cross-referencing those. There are some bits of information that are turning out to be things and events that really happened. A lot of it is still under review, and we're putting all that together into our historical report.

Not vague at all but assuming he means in the context of the congressional hearings under oath it doesn't leave much that wasn't extraordinary to pick from aside from funneling money off for black projects which wouldn't be under the congressional oversight because that funnelled funding went to private defence contractors.

We shall see and fairly soon I believe.

Details here https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3575588/aaro-director-dr-sean-kirkpatrick-holds-an-off-camera-media-roundtable/

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These new medical examinations follow on from previous ones which although doen live were literally laughed at by American news outlets because they were "mexicans" ... just lovely. Nice bit of racism. Well we shall have to see where it goes.

please show references where this occurred

the results were laughed at because they were nonsense, not for any racial bias

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These new medical examinations follow on from previous ones which although doen live were literally laughed at by American news outlets because they were "mexicans" ... just lovely. Nice bit of racism. Well we shall have to see where it goes.

please show references where this occurred

the results were laughed at because they were nonsense, not for any racial bias

You again have no idea what you're talking about as per usual. The rough quote was ... "They've been examined by some Mexican doctors apprently and they claim that they are real and haven't been adulterated but I wouldn't go to Mexico for treatment for as much as a cold"



The source is on page 22 which has the link to the latest investigations. They don't claim that they are aliens and neither did I.

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There is no such thing as a prehuman race related to lizards.

What do you think they are? I thought these mummies had been debunked. Then it transpired these were not the amalgamated ones. Now none of them appear to be. So what are they?

I have not spend a lot of time reading up on them, but from what I have read, it still seems to be the most likely that they are some kind of fraud.

They are definitely not pre-humans related to lizards, though.

Humans and lizards are on different branches of the land vertebrate evolutionary tree. Humans are mammals and so are all pre-humans.

Lizards are usually categorized as reptiles (although that is a paraphyletic group). They are more closely related to birds than to mammals.

The fraud claim came from a single utube clip. That's all it took. And from some time ago and took on a life of its own. Jamie Musshain is actually apprently a very good rigorous reporter but has become less reliable because of that video and his claims now.

These new medical examinations follow on from previous ones which although doen live were literally laughed at by American news outlets because they were "mexicans" ... just lovely. Nice bit of racism. Well we shall have to see where it goes.

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They do not say they are aliens and think they may be a prehuman race related to lizards.

There is no such thing as a prehuman race related to lizards.

What do you think they are? I thought these mummies had been debunked. Then it transpired these were not the amalgamated ones. Now none of them appear to be. So what are they?

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In a second Mexican congressional hearing (dubbed in English) we have a 3 hour presentation regarding the Nasca mummies. And they show that there is no manipulation of the skeletal system or the mummies generally. Giving one presentation is the Ex President of the Medical Association of Peru who is now a Member of the Acadamy of Medicine New York, David Willy Ruiz Vela.
https://www.youtube.com/live/XHyMlkm7Njo?feature=shared

3 hour presentation including newly released UFO footage.

They do not say they are aliens and think they may be a prehuman race related to lizards.

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More news today as a previously revealed encounters with Chinese spy balloons is exposed as one spy balloon and some other objects.

Previously Biden was interviewed after the shoot down of the spy balloon and stated that he had ordered the shoot down. However he then gave an address regarding the events where he revealed by accident that they had "narrowed their radars". In fact what had happened was that the radar systems had been altered to filter out vast UAP activity because it had been deemed that nothing could be done about them. Following the obvious sighting of the spy balloon by large numbers of the populace the White House demanded why it had not been detected far sooner. The reason was because the radar filters had been altered to exclude UAP and by accident made them less effective.

After this was discovered a presidential order was made to immediately fix the radar filters and then the balloon showed up as well as other objects. This is where this has resurfaced today with new revelations by Ross Coulthart and Christopher Mellon ....

https://youtu.be/qSbeXLf4rFs?feature=shared

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But as well as Artemis and being a significant defence contractor of exotic technologies they have a massive amount of employees. Thousands and thousands across the world. And guess who worked for them ...

According to filings made against SAIC they were charged with wrong doing and who was named ... Sean Kirkpatrick.

Who else alongside SAIC is working in Artemis - Lockhead Martin who are also named as holders of Crashed UAP technology and who else has contracts within the Artemis programme to return to the moon?

"We don't have any crashed UFOs or alien bodies because if we did I would know" - Elon Musk. Contracted to provide landing craft and crucial states for Project Artemis.

Wonder what Kirkpatrick invented. Whatever it was it involved holographic technologies at the nanoscale while he worked at SAIC.

Maybe just maybe Kirkpatrick has an everso huge conflict of interest in his role at AARO director.

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AARO director Sean Kirkpatrick comes under more fire for lying to congress.

Who is Sean Kirkpatrick.  Scientist and inventor.
What is SAIC and why does it matter.

SAIC - Science Application International Corp - SAIC is a premier Fortune 500 technology integrator driving our nation's digital transformation. Our robust portfolio of offerings across the defense, space and civilian.

This week Sean Kirkpatrick revealed that he has on numerous ocassions attempted to reach out to David Grusch and his Lawyer but has not received any communications in return. This is blatantly a lie. His lawyer has his own website with all his contact details which anyone can find. Grusch himself is easily contactable through various official channels. And neither have recieved a single communication from Sean Kirpatrick in response to their emails.

The attempt to get Grusch in a secure scif failed and instead Burchette and Luna were briefed by other inteliegnece members which was reported as a complete waste of time and obfuscation. Attempts continue to secure a scif to interview Grusch. He is more than willing but he has been told he isn't permitted to.

And as well as the lie that Kirkpatrick claims he's had no communication from Grusch he has also stated that there are no satelite images of UAP. None. Which is another lie as former Deputy director of the Intelligence Community Christopher Mellon has seen first hand 4k footage of various UAP as had Senator Harry Reid and many many more officials.

He also claims that there are no UAP reports that he has seen that do not have a mundane explanation. Another lie because he has seen first hand the radar footage and cockpit footage from Nimitz Omaha and Princetown to name two incidents.

He is refusing to divulge who his secret team are that are overseeing AAROs investigations. Who could they be. Who is this mysterious organisation.

Likely SAIC. And what do they do ...  well they are a significant defence contractor. Involved in Artemis, Radar defence, Cyber security, fringe and exotic technologies ......


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It has never gone down like this before. Never.

Bryce Zabel and Ross Coulthart run a podcast that ocassionally post and usually its following an event within Congress regarding a stage in what some perceive as a slow disclosure. The slow disclosure has been slowly coming for 30 years and will likely never arrive. That's my experience. But how slow would it need to be. And I don't know the answer because it never seems to move along.

There are rumours that the James Webb Telescope has found something rather large that shouldn't be where it is. This something has allegedly moved any time scale that may have existed to a much faster roll out. Much faster than many would like.

A few hours ago the need ro know podcast posted a very short clip prefaced by a random thumbnail. It'll no doubt come to light what that is but Bryce and Ross tend not to speculate beyond journalistic rigor.

https://youtu.be/74a7byaTAa0?feature=shared

"The next president will be the disclosure president whether they wanna be or not" - no ambiguity there. Allegedly Biden is too far gone to deal with it and the time scale will bring it too close to the next election. So what does this mean. Bryce clarified in a response implying 4 year max.

And then the random thumbnail. Could be some sorta a helicopter maybe ...



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Today allegations against the head of AARO Dr Sean Kirpatrick have been revealed.

Following revelations from someone who was interviewed by AARO regarding their experience it has been alleged that Kirpatrick has not been following his mandate. Kirpatrick has a team of investigators who interview witnesses within the military. However this witness has stated that the team claim they have no knowledge of any historic UAP investigation data, and have no historic experience of dealing with the UAP phenomena.

Further it is alleged that Kirkpatrick hasn't been relying on his team to summarise the reports. In fact he has created a secret team outside of the oversight of AARO and it is they who compile the results. He was asked to reveal who this team were by Congress and he refused to comply with their request. However their names have been supplied to Congress by another source.

Kirkpatrick did initially state that he would create two teams. One would approach the phenomena from a national security threat assesment angle.

The other would assess reports from a technological angle. If they concurred that what they were looking at was both anomalous and a national security threat then that example would be classified as serious. If neither team regarded it as an issue it wouod discarded. If one team flagged it as an issue and the other did not then he would examine the evidence and pass it back until a resolution was reached. If that didn't happen he would make a judgement call.

It appears this isn't happening and any evidential findings are being presented to his secret council who are allegedly made up of people from the back engineering and crash retrieval teams. This is also who make up some of the 30 whistle blowers who have been interviewed under oath in a secure scif regarding their role in these programs by Thomas Monheim The Inspector General of the Inteligence Community. The same Thomas Monheim who after interviewing David Grusch and extensively investigating his claims declared them urgent and credible.

If Kirkpatricks days looked numbered before then they are certainly numbered less now.

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AARO have published their latest findings
https://t.co/QOy6MjCAWa


It is a poor read and be warned it is very disingenuous. Whilst it is their genuine report there is a rather large issue with it. Their findings are very much a case of nothing to see here. But what they aren't being up front about is that this conclusion only takes into account declassified cases. Of which some still remain unexplained and they claim that given enough time these too would be resolved.

The problem is that, a lot of cases have been classified illegally. Anything that may reveal capabilities or lack thereof of the military are classified as a matter of course. And these are handed to special access programme trams. Not AARO. But Kirkpatrick claims that this is not true. Factually he is lying.

Matt Gaetz attended Eglin AFB to interview two pilots who witnessed a craft that Gaetz claims "there is nothing in his experience that would permit him to explain what he saw". And he saw it because the pilots had filmed it and photographed it. Their footage was confiscated and handed over. Gaetz was only permitted to see the photograph and associated radar imagery. Its not mentioned here but there is also footage.

https://youtu.be/zFk1Fv11xKw?feature=shared

Further more two people who ran the organisation that preceeded AARO have come foreward (with an inevitable book) but they have explained that there is a vast library of such incidents that they compiled along with Senator Harry Ried. A library that they arent sure if AARO has bothered/permitted to access. However that statement was a few days prior to the AARO report. And clearly from AAROs report they haven't accessed it. Because the other statement that was made and cleared by DOPSR was that "a recovered craft of unknown origin was finally opened and access was gained".

Before the sofa debunkers begin eye rolling "unknown origin" means exactly that. Not ours and no one else's either. Odd that they refuse to continue the obvious conclusion that if its no ones they know ... then where does it come from. Its getting ridiculous now. Forget extra terrestrial origin for a second and just try and categorise what it's origin is.

So how is that omitted by AARO?
How is the eglin incident omitted by AARO?
On their own website they have declassified the gimble video and have classified that as unresolved. But it is a fact that there is a further 4 minutes of the gimble video which isn't mentioned. This further four minutes remains classified.

How is it that AARO have omitted the 3 years worth of spheres containing cubes data off the East Coast of the US - filmed, radar, photographed, engaged, near missed with multiple witnesses that caused the air flight safety protocol to prevent flights continuing ... all to be omitted, despite it being a matter of public record that these incidents have been handed to AARO in the hundreds per month. The USS Omaha incident where the ship was surrounded by 100 plus objects, filmed and with radar footage which has been leaked into the public domain - omitted.

This had led to a crisis in Congress because Kirkpatrick has publicly claimed he has all the clearances he needs and has access to everything. Everything and his report states there is nothing that cannot be explained by prosaic means. The omaha was 100+ miles out to see and was alone. Drones do not have that capability. No drones have the battery life to achieve those distances from shore. These objects were there for several hours.

Despite a heroic effort by senator Mike Turner to thwart any further investigation and hearings ... they are going ahead but subpoena powers have been removed. Gursch will also be interviewed in a scif where he will be permitted to speak openly about everything he couldn't previously. However there jave already been moves to restrict his commentary even within that scif.

This is due to take place in a couple of weeks.

 

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Meanwhile in the real world ...


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When did following actual 'science' and stating the obvious become offensive? This isn't just about UFOs it is also about, freedom of speech. I have a right to my opinion, without being attacked and called names. I won't be intimidated or silenced by your torrent of incorrect, irrelevant, or idiotic arguments. You don't answer any direct questions, but instead, avoid, deflect and distract.

I have a right to disagree without your abusive, bullying replies.

exactly! and that's why it's important to call out nonsense & pseudo-science.  the state of scientific knowledge in the US has been declining for years - more people believe in astrology than evolution, and it's reflected in real world damage - eg anti-vaxxers'

You sell photos and hillwalking tours ... Steve. The font of all knowledge you aren't. Your role here isn't to call out anything unless someone posts incorrect advice on packing a rucksac. Your ego has emboldened you to expound beyond your remit. Another liar claiming factual events regarding UAP are nonsense despite official congressional evidence to the contrary. You picked a pretty pathetic location to build your moral highground. I certainly wouldn't employ you to lead the way to the shops. Clearly your issues aren't with UAP but anyone who doesn't agree with you and your skewed views on every subject. You're exhausting.

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When did following actual 'science' and stating the obvious become offensive? This isn't just about UFOs it is also about, freedom of speech. I have a right to my opinion, without being attacked and called names. I won't be intimidated or silenced by your torrent of incorrect, irrelevant, or idiotic arguments. You don't answer any direct questions, but instead, avoid, deflect and distract.

I have a right to disagree without your abusive, bullying replies.

none of which bares any relevance to anything I asked.You are offensive though and clearly see no wrong in anything you state. Your contribution ro this thread has been zero other than negative, mocking comments and as you see them, attacks. I just think it is attention seeking trivial drivel. I answer questions. I rebuff moronic statements. I have posted a timeline of events which you find pathetic and moronic.

What is rediculous is that despite behaving like a manchild and posting irrelevant clutter about it all being nonsense, you provide no evidence of such when asked.

Who to believe 🤔  various official bodies investigating the phenomena and individuals proven to have legitimate evidence by those bodies or ... you .. who's sole outlet on the subject is a thread they claim is a joke. And does so with full on arrogance and self belief. It's a hard choice granted but I'll have to side with those employed by governmnents to provide further information rather than you ... a random ... who posts lies.

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Sometimes, you need to reason like Sherlock Holmes - if you eliminate possibilities one by one - whatever is left will be true, no matter how unlikely it seems at first. If you cannot eliminate certain explanations with available knowledge - it sucks, but it sometimes happens and you just need to be patient.

Yes, glad you brought that up:


It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.

― Sherlock Holmes

In you're determined quest for 'evidence' Peter how many congressional representatives have you sent word to, to encourage openness about UAP. It can't be zero obviously because in almost every post you claim a thirst for some evidence. So ... how many please.

You mean the US congressional reps, have the evidence and they are withholding it? Will they answer and send me proof?

Have you written to yours? What state are you in?

YOU are making the claims, could you please supply some proof? 22 pages of conspiracy and something big is coming soon, and nothing but words. Does anyone have photos of all these crashed craft. Seems there are hundreds of them. Anyone have anything that's an alien, seems there are hundreds of different visitors dead or alive, but no one has a photo? Just some petrified fake composite body.

I wouldn't be surprised if these visitors were time travelers from the future or maybe dimensional parallels that are viewing and exploring. I'm much less likely to say, just because we see a UAP that somehow in a leap of logic, equals aliens from space. Mystery light does not = Aliens. It's just lights.

Scientific Method:
    Ask a question about something you observe
    Do background research to learn what is already known about the topic
    Construct a hypothesis, or testable explanation
    Make a prediction based on the hypothesis
    Test the prediction by conducting an experiment
    Analyze the data from the experiment and draw conclusions
    Communicate the results to others

In that order, not the reverse and don't fudge the data by only taking what you want the evidence to prove and ignoring, denial, of anything that doesn't fit your preconceived agenda. Notice, communicate the results is last and with peer review and after study, then form conclusions.

YOU will provide us with the names of all the Congress people YOU have contacted in order to help them understand that disclosure of whatever the government has, is important to you. And when you do that they reply. That's a known. So you'll have those responses to hand as well.

Now I'll let you know I didn't read any of the above because its the usual nonsese and we both know you've contacted zero Congress people. So you are either entirely disingenuous and just trolling here or you have contacted them and can provide the evidence. Until you do that ... rant away ... not interested and every avoidance post you make just makes matters more pathetic.

We wait with baited breath ...

It's useless to try to have a conversation or reason with you. If that was your goal, to silence anything that's not in line with your personal agenda, you win. I have better things to do with my time than take your personal attacks, name calling and abusive replies and then try to be reasonable in response.

He's not interested in conversation or questions, only the blind followers who won't question the obsession and cult beliefs. Only those who agree are allowed to comment. I'm done too. We can look forward to 22 more pages of unreliable and biased fake news links.

By all means prove your claim of unreliable and biased fake news links. Go ahead lol. This should be hilarious. Happy to discuss the topic and happy to discuss or watch others discuss ... as has happened on the previous pages ...

But now that you've made that statement I would like you to prove the fake news allegation.

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Sometimes, you need to reason like Sherlock Holmes - if you eliminate possibilities one by one - whatever is left will be true, no matter how unlikely it seems at first. If you cannot eliminate certain explanations with available knowledge - it sucks, but it sometimes happens and you just need to be patient.

Yes, glad you brought that up:


It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.

― Sherlock Holmes

In you're determined quest for 'evidence' Peter how many congressional representatives have you sent word to, to encourage openness about UAP. It can't be zero obviously because in almost every post you claim a thirst for some evidence. So ... how many please.

You mean the US congressional reps, have the evidence and they are withholding it? Will they answer and send me proof?

Have you written to yours? What state are you in?

YOU are making the claims, could you please supply some proof? 22 pages of conspiracy and something big is coming soon, and nothing but words. Does anyone have photos of all these crashed craft. Seems there are hundreds of them. Anyone have anything that's an alien, seems there are hundreds of different visitors dead or alive, but no one has a photo? Just some petrified fake composite body.

I wouldn't be surprised if these visitors were time travelers from the future or maybe dimensional parallels that are viewing and exploring. I'm much less likely to say, just because we see a UAP that somehow in a leap of logic, equals aliens from space. Mystery light does not = Aliens. It's just lights.

Scientific Method:
    Ask a question about something you observe
    Do background research to learn what is already known about the topic
    Construct a hypothesis, or testable explanation
    Make a prediction based on the hypothesis
    Test the prediction by conducting an experiment
    Analyze the data from the experiment and draw conclusions
    Communicate the results to others

In that order, not the reverse and don't fudge the data by only taking what you want the evidence to prove and ignoring, denial, of anything that doesn't fit your preconceived agenda. Notice, communicate the results is last and with peer review and after study, then form conclusions.

YOU will provide us with the names of all the Congress people YOU have contacted in order to help them understand that disclosure of whatever the government has, is important to you. And when you do that they reply. That's a known. So you'll have those responses to hand as well.

Now I'll let you know I didn't read any of the above because its the usual nonsese and we both know you've contacted zero Congress people. So you are either entirely disingenuous and just trolling here or you have contacted them and can provide the evidence. Until you do that ... rant away ... not interested and every avoidance post you make just makes matters more pathetic.

We wait with baited breath ...

It's useless to try to have a conversation or reason with you. If that was your goal, to silence anything that's not in line with your personal agenda, you win. I have better things to do with my time than take your personal attacks, name calling and abusive replies and then try to be reasonable in response.

Your idiotic demands are what got you where you are now.

You demand proof and you have been given proof. It's not the proof you will accept. You glibly call I hearsay.

There is so much idiotic claptrap you've posted here in virtually every post it beggars belief. Even when you have conceded you had a gut punch swipe along with it.

You have added nothing but abuse, sneering, mocking, disparaging and dismissive comments from the very first post.

And when ... when you are given an avenue to follow which is laid out not by me but by congressional bodies to ask for your congressperson to challenge the overclassification of military reporting regarding UAP .... you squirm and peddle that toxic crap.

No one forced your head up your nethers Pete and frog marched you in to this thread. You strutted in and dumped your unbidden opinion at length, repeatedly page after page. Fact. And call it attack that is the argument of a person eho has no defense for their actions. You have imparted nothing. Zero viable information. You have exploded continously and tried to force your uneducated opinion regarding historical events. Factual incursions into our air space. The credibility of a decorated veteran with more clearances than the president of the United States. Of decorated pilots. Of civilians and any objective thinking person. And you, you obsessed about aliens.

I for my part have responded to yours and others toxic bile with a mixture of surprise, information and eventually derision and now utter contempt. But I have still posted an edited timeline of events involving people who are at the coal face. When the thread hasn't been derailed by you and others as you have just aptly displayed.

Still no contact made by you to your congress person. Clearly no interest in the subject. Clearly your only task here is to foist your uneducated opinion and lack of awareness of events and when that didnt work you show off and claim you have better things to do.

THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE. AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN

Because you are an unpleasant individual is the impression I now have. Truly.

If you want proof that will satisfy you clearly I am not the person any sane person would ask. I don't have the job role, clearances, likely inteligence nor scientific background. But I have paid attention and I have enjoyed the journey for several decades.

Only a devisive, vindictive ____ would pretend otherwise to illicit tension. Congratulations you odious pedant.

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