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I trust Adobe. They have built an ethical

This is where I quit reading.

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I had the same, about $24.

It's not the Contributor Fund, so maybe a delayed update of one or more sales?

Edit: turns out it was the Contributor Fund after all, it's now updated in the column.

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Have you checked your tier, many people are premium without selling a lot, it seems the tiers are randomly assigned. They could change every month too.
Society6 also introduced new fees and plans.
With AI and everything else the good news just can't stop coming.

I have, it's the Standard tier. And I'm certainly not waiting around like a schmuck to get put in a higher tier.

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I notice they don't say how much the "account fee" is.


See the last link in my post :)

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Not sure if there are lots of Redbubble sellers on this forum, but I occasionally sell a print there. I received an email this morning:

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Hello ***,

Redbubble is introducing a new tier structure for artist accounts, and an account fee for some accounts. We understand that this is a big change for the artist community, so we want to be transparent and clear about what's happening.

The new account tiers are intended to encourage actions that are positive for the marketplace and recognise and reward artists who invest time creating and promoting unique products. From today, your account will be classified as either Redbubble Standard, Redbubble Premium, or Redbubble Pro. You can find your account classification on a new Account tiers and fees page on the Artist Dashboard.

View Your Account Tier

Redbubble Standard accounts will be subject to an account fee. The fee is a flat fee based on your monthly earnings and only applies if you make a sale. If you make no sales during the payment period you will not be charged a fee, so artists are never out of pocket. The monthly earnings period will begin with orders shipped from the 1st of May, 2023 and end on the last day of each month. As recognition for positive engagement and investment in the Redbubble marketplace, Premium and Pro accounts are exempt from the fee.

Some articles explaining the changes in-depth:
https://blog.redbubble.com/2023/04/new-artist-account-tiers/
https://blog.redbubble.com/2023/04/how-accounts-are-reviewed-and-classified/
https://blog.redbubble.com/2023/04/how-account-fees-may-apply-to-you/

The fee table can be found in the last link.
Insanely high fees as you can see. Redbubble always was always a low-tier agency for me so it's an easy decision for me.

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"to Further Unlock Visual Storytelling Content for Marketers"

> "to Further Erode the Microstock Market by Offering Unlimited Content for Everyone"

Don't worry though, your art will be seen by millions of people, think of the exposure.

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Pond5 / Re: Dataset earnings - opt out
« on: April 13, 2023, 06:37 »
I'm not necessarily against AI training using datasets in general. I mean, you can't stop innovation and AI is now so widespread there's no delaying or slowing its progress. You can opt out, but the change to the creative industry (not just microstock) is imminent and unavoidable. As long as we get compensation for the use of our work (and that compensation is relatively transparent), then we should embrace it instead of fighting it. 

Of course, it's easy for me to say, I'm doing microstock only part-time. But I never wanted to do this full-time because I think the microstock future is bleak anyway and its heydays are over. Take what you can while you still can.

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The blue bar came very late this time.

I can't help thinking that the change in currency is in exchange for giving apps away, after a long negotiation between teams.

I don't think that's related. The 'free' apps are being paid for by the sales (or boost thereof) of qualifying contributors and the incentive to keep uploading to reach the targets.

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Yaymicro / Re: Any update on Yayimages performance ?
« on: April 07, 2023, 11:32 »
Regretted uploading video to them in the first place. Sales are slow (last sale was in November), the RPD is bad (although it could be worse coughShutterstockcough), but removing my port would be a waste of all the time spent uploading.

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Bigstock.com / Re: Message from Bigstock - why?
« on: April 05, 2023, 10:02 »
I have not received minimum payout yet so I didn't receive the email, but the minimum cashout is $30, so why would you leave your fortune sitting in your account?


I usually cash out 1x per year at Bigstock.
But that's not what this is about - the question is :  why do they urge me to cash out, while it is in their own interest if I just forget about it ?

I think it's just a friendly reminder.

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Bigstock.com / Re: Message from Bigstock - why?
« on: April 05, 2023, 09:06 »
I have not received minimum payout yet so I didn't receive the email, but the minimum cashout is $30, so why would you leave your fortune sitting in your account?

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The real problem was that FT and AS were screwing US contributors by selling in euros in Europe and paying us in dollars.

On the other hand, you had very good ride when when you were overpaid for your US sales. All that artificial bonus you got throughout the years must compensate at least a part of your new conversion fees.
Be fair and admit it.

Anyway, PayPal fees, bank fees, local taxes are not Adobe's concern.

Now everybody is paid the same. That's what matters.

Fair enough.
Everybody gets paid the same, yet now Adobe pockets the surplus from -sales. So instead of fighting amongst ourselves over the amount of crumbs we receive, we should stand together and acknowledge that Adobe simply increased their bottom line at the expense of contributors.
If it's fairness we're talking about, their credit system (1 credit = 1 USD = 1 EUR) should reflect actual market rates.

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And it seems they decided after all to accept AI images:

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Dear Contributors,

123RF now accepts your AI images!

We are thrilled to announce that our platform now supports the upload of AI-generated images. This is a big step forward for us and we believe it will greatly enhance your portfolio at the same time offering a more diverse pool of content to our users.

*Please make sure you include the keywords "AI-Generated and AI Generative to aid searchability.

 For AI-generated content guidelines, please go to our blog or click this link : https://www.blog.123rf.com/123rf-guidelines-for-ai-generated-content

We're excited to see the amazing creations you'll come up with using AI technology! If you have any questions or concerns, don't hesitate to reach out to our support team.

Best regards,
Community Support Team

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Adobe Stock / Re: Refunded sale?
« on: March 30, 2023, 05:44 »
Any news on this, Mat?

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Cashed out some revenue: what should have been 140, was now $140, which converted to EUR and Paypal fees included, resulted in 125 to my bank account.

A more than 10% decrease in revenue. Thanks Adobe.

Welcome to the club many of us outside the eurozone were part of since the very beginning.

Still, that's different; most other agencies outside Europe never had a payout option, so you accept the $ currency when you sign up, simply because there was no other option.
Fotolia had -accounts from the beginning, so you sign up for that and expect payments for life.

Suddenly Adobe decided to change it unilaterally and practically overnight. It's a disservice and a big middlefinger to all contributors overseas. It's taking away a service that should be standard for any international agency.

This isn't Fotolia anymore. You got a bonus that others didn't, now that's done.

How is being paid in your own currency considered 'a bonus'? Everyone who wanted to could sign up for a -account, it wasn't a special privilege or anything.
Adobe simply wanted to increase their profits (or reduce costs) at the expense of -contributors.
How can anyone defend corporate greed? Unless you're just grumpy about having signed up for the wrong account back then and you finally can say: "if I can't have , no one can!"

No, not true, people in the US could not sign up for Pounds or Euro accounts.

Not even with a VPN?
But if you're located in the US, USD is your local currency so there are no conversion fees. If you're located in the EU, you could accidentally sign up for a USD account and pay the awful Paypal fees.

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Notice how even here, whenever Mat announces something new, he will always just reply to questions and comments stricly related to the technical aspect of a feature and ignore every single question and comment about user actual concerns or morality aspects of what Adobe was doing.

I can't recall that Adobe has ever seeked out conversation with contributors about anything, before we were getting presented the end result - Free galleries, currency changes, our images being used to train AI that will make our images worthless - there has never been any kind of "conversation" prior to annoucing the final decision and the "conversation" that took place after that were alwas one-sided with Adobe pretty much ignoring our concerns.

Very true. And if you accuse Mat of corporate speak then he is offended :)

I do think they listen in via Mat. I actually think that Adobe didn't want to prolong the bonus program but because here, and probably at other places as well, we made a fuzz about it and so they caved in, in the end. Not to lose face and they sure will have weighted the costs versus the potential reputation damage.

But it annoys me too that when you ask something else then a technical question you never hear an answer. Concerns are maybe listened to but certainly not replied to.

And since they are a company (maximum profit seeking) it annoys me that they pretend to be an NGO sometimes only to support artists at all times while in reality they are not. But I guess lot of people fall for that kind of talk. At least here, I see many of them. But you can also see them when you join some of their live Behance meetings. Some actually seem groupies and completely believe in Adobes fantasy tale :)

And remember there is no them without us but not exactly as how they mean it. It's more that if we don't buy their products or deliver content to them then there is no them. That part is definitely true.

Well, I'm not a fan of any corporation pretending to be a "community of artists", but I have nothing against Mat personally. He is just an Adobe employee, plain and simple: a PR job and a messenger of good and bad news; if it's good news, he can speak freely with enthusiasm and happily answer questions, if it's "bad" news he will (have to) stick to the "press release" and whatever Adobe tells him to say. Which I understand, he cannot make any promises without permission from upper management or speak against his employer.

But it's better than complete radio silence.

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Just a warning to all the people who contacted DP and told them to be removed from the revenue share program and were told they were removed: Please double check. I was told I was removed, I had disabled my photos when I was put in the program against my will and yesterday I enabled some photos as a check: They are all IN the revenue share program. 
When you go to your dashboard at https://de.depositphotos.com/files.html and look at the columns right after the earnings column there is a column for the revenue share program where it says "yes" or "no" and it says "yes" for all my files.
So pay attention to this in case DP lied to you or just put you right back in as they did with me.

 :-\

Says 'NO' for me.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Vector submission problems
« on: March 27, 2023, 12:08 »
All strokes should be outlined. This is a standard requirement for submitted vectors at most (if not all) agencies. And yes, it reduces editability, but it prevents unintended issues with the artwork not being displayed correctly, when for instance resizing the artwork.

It's not a standard requirement. I upload to many agencies, and have for many years. Iconfinder, for example, does not require outlined strokes. I've also supplied icon sets (16+ icons) to Adobe with editable strokes.

Fully understand about the pros and cons of outlining, but as a designer I want to be able to edit and change the stroke weight, and have had many people ask for them to be supplied that way.

Adobe says here: https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/vector-requirements.html

Follow these best practices:
- Outline all strokes as paths or shapes.


I don't know about Iconfinder and similar agencies, YMMV. Perhaps there are some exceptions, it could be agencies have loosened up their requirements over the years.
I do understand where you're coming from regarding editability, maybe simple icons are the exception to the rule.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Vector submission problems
« on: March 27, 2023, 08:07 »
All strokes should be outlined. This is a standard requirement for submitted vectors at most (if not all) agencies. And yes, it reduces editability, but it prevents unintended issues with the artwork not being displayed correctly, when for instance resizing the artwork.

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Cashed out some revenue: what should have been 140, was now $140, which converted to EUR and Paypal fees included, resulted in 125 to my bank account.

A more than 10% decrease in revenue. Thanks Adobe.

Welcome to the club many of us outside the eurozone were part of since the very beginning.

Still, that's different; most other agencies outside Europe never had a payout option, so you accept the $ currency when you sign up, simply because there was no other option.
Fotolia had -accounts from the beginning, so you sign up for that and expect payments for life.

Suddenly Adobe decided to change it unilaterally and practically overnight. It's a disservice and a big middlefinger to all contributors overseas. It's taking away a service that should be standard for any international agency.

This isn't Fotolia anymore. You got a bonus that others didn't, now that's done.

How is being paid in your own currency considered 'a bonus'? Everyone who wanted to could sign up for a -account, it wasn't a special privilege or anything.
Adobe simply wanted to increase their profits (or reduce costs) at the expense of -contributors.
How can anyone defend corporate greed? Unless you're just grumpy about having signed up for the wrong account back then and you finally can say: "if I can't have , no one can!"

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I don't understand why contributors have not been ...,compensated already for use of their assets in Firefly's training.

Why is Adobe only at the 'exploring' stage of an opt-out possibility and still busy 'developing' a compensation model? Shouldn't that be the first thing on the priority list?
Once again it looks like contributors and compensation of them are treated as an afterthought, a nuisance, an annoying expense.

both AS & SS have the right to use those images under the TOS artists agreed to when contributing (everyone read those in detail, right?)

what they're doing NOW is allowing people to opt-out - they could have continued the existing policy that says contributors agree to those TOS

and still waiting for anyone to describe what they think would be fair compensation when their contribution swamp by hundreds of millions of images used for training

and also interesting that none of the loudest whingers (who claim their hard work creating art will be swamped by mediocre user generated AI  art) will actually present their portfolios!

Exactly what Jo Ann says above: I agreed to let them use my images for things like a keyword suggestion tool, or for promotion of their library and assets, anything to increase revenue for the good of contributors.
Firefly however is created with the intention to replace our work and efforts in the long run, which I never signed up for (back in 2010 when I signed up at Fotolia high quality AI image creation wasn't even a feasible thing yet).

I'd argue this AI thing falls outside of the scope of that agreement and needs proper attention and royalty compensation.

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The only good thing about AI is that artists can use it to create new (computer-aided) art, it can save time and increase quality, and open up ways for artists to visualize their ideas.

The downsides in the future:
- Oversupply of AI generated images/video, the market will become saturated if it hasn't already. What was once considered a genuine talent or hard work (in drawing, photography, painting or animation) will at some point be replaced by AI.
- The microstock industry will be disrupted, causing those who fall behind to go out of business due to oversupply/diminishing revenue; perhaps agencies will create their own collections, or together with a handful of contributors who have embraced AI as a tool.
- It will be more and more difficult to distinguish between 'real & handcrafted' vs 'computer generated'. (Although this is already a thing with cgi in general, like deepfakes). People might question the authenticity of a photo or artwork, i.e. is it the work of manual labor and talent or was it made by a computer? Is the person in a photo a real living person or AI-generated?

I think the AI trend is unstoppable, and every attempt to postpone it is futile. It's a matter of time before it's here and microstock industry (as well as other industries related to art) will change. The sooner we embrace it, the better. We should however make sure we get compensated fairly for the use of our work in this new technology. 

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I don't understand why contributors have not been a) notified earlier of the fact that Firefly is in beta and has been learning from Adobe Stock's library, i.e. the assets uploaded by contributors, and b) compensated already for use of their assets in Firefly's training.

Why is Adobe only at the 'exploring' stage of an opt-out possibility and still busy 'developing' a compensation model? Shouldn't that be the first thing on the priority list?
Once again it looks like contributors and compensation of them are treated as an afterthought, a nuisance, an annoying expense.

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Cashed out some revenue: what should have been 140, was now $140, which converted to EUR and Paypal fees included, resulted in 125 to my bank account.

A more than 10% decrease in revenue. Thanks Adobe.

Welcome to the club many of us outside the eurozone were part of since the very beginning.

Still, that's different; most other agencies outside Europe never had a payout option, so you accept the $ currency when you sign up, simply because there was no other option.
Fotolia had -accounts from the beginning, so you sign up for that and expect payments for life.

Suddenly Adobe decided to change it unilaterally and practically overnight. It's a disservice and a big middlefinger to all contributors overseas. It's taking away a service that should be standard for any international agency.

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Cashed out some revenue: what should have been 140, was now $140, which converted to EUR and Paypal fees included, resulted in 125 to my bank account.

A more than 10% decrease in revenue. Thanks Adobe.

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