Quote from: Stock4Me on May 03, 2022, 14:31

Quote from: Lowls on May 02, 2022, 19:09
Urgh never mind.

Pond is not a concept it's a Noun.

Obviously. Pond wasn't meant to be a concept. Pond was just an obvious word in the title and keyword that someone would type to find dragonflies. The title that was rejected stated something like "Golden ringed Dragonfly basking in the sun after feeding near a pond. Scientific name (Latin name). It was rejected for the scientific name and keyword pond, life. Pond insects. Flying pond bugs all find dragonflies in the search bar. But I wasn't allowed Pond because there was no pond. It was a stupid refusal. I won't debate that any longer because it is patently obviously a pond related subject. Or stream either is correct.

I believe I did point out various examples of this rigidity being lame. I stated that we could no longer have conceptual titles because a photo titled meditation would now have to become "woman sitting oddly alone in room. But we cant have room because only one wall can be seen. Prisoner becomes "young man sitting on generic bed against a wall wearing grey overalls. No prison visible.

I guess it comes down to how badly do adobe want their photos to be found. Not very in that case. And I'm a native speaker of English. So to throw these subjective obstacles in the way is tiresome. It was removed on my behalf and then published. Well I say refused it was placed in a limbo state until I corrected mistakes. After 3 goes I couldn't work out why which is why I asked for help and the explanation given that title must be in English not foriegn languages (Latin is the only name for some insects but whatever) that I can only title what is visible which makes conceptual ideas risky and that future repeated instances of rule breaking like this could result in 'keyword spamming' and closure of account.

Pond. Ok lol  jeeze

Urgh never mind.

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 28, 2022, 15:05

Quote from: Lowls on April 27, 2022, 23:04
3) Adding detailed information, location, keywords or concept word combinations, will still help get an image found. Updating older images may not change the rank, but it will make the image more searchable.

Well that is either incorrect or outdated or both. You cannot put concept ideas in keywords. I mean I know its obvious you should and only a halfwit would think you shouldn't but it isnt permitted.
E.g you cannot have a photograph of just a tray of bulbs (plants) and use keywords like gardening, borders, flower bed, planting, etc. Although invoking words that are clearly linked to the image or conceptually linked you cannot use them.

Keywords are: type what you see.

A duck nestling in a clump of grass cannot have pond as a keyword if a pond is not visible.

The rule is so ambiguous as to be moronic but there we are.

Rule? No it's a summary of what they said was happening and how the system works. My words from their webinar. GO WATCH THE TWO VIDEOS PLEASE?

Who says you can put concept ideas in keywords? Who says it's not permitted.

The reviewer who processed my images and rejected them because I added the words pond and life. There was no pond. There was a dragonfly. There was no pond  but I wasn't allowed to have pond  or pondlife nor amphibian. Fair do on that though they are amphibious for some of the year, and not aquatic so the images were rejected. I pointed out that when you search for flying pond life the images that come back are dragonflies but Matt said no but passed them as a special one time never to be repeated exception but he manually removed those keywords. No pond. Not even a puddle.

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 28, 2022, 15:05Who's a moron, the person who includes concepts or the one who doesn't?

erm neither what. That's not what I wrote is it? * checks* no I said the rule was moronic. I assumed you cut and paste the rules or guidelines from somehwere. But ok then point 3. I mean I quoted it but if you want to split molecules fair enough lol. I love the intensity of your reply though Peter ... WHO' S A MORON ... lol.

And another George Steinmetz v. Shutterstock, Inc., et al., 21-cv-7100 (Hellerstein)

3) Adding detailed information, location, keywords or concept word combinations, will still help get an image found. Updating older images may not change the rank, but it will make the image more searchable.

Well that is either incorrect or outdated or both. You cannot put concept ideas in keywords. I mean I know its obvious you should and only a halfwit would think you shouldn't but it isnt permitted.
E.g you cannot have a photograph of just a tray of bulbs (plants) and use keywords like gardening, borders, flower bed, planting, etc. Although invoking words that are clearly linked to the image or conceptually linked you cannot use them.

Keywords are: type what you see.

A duck nestling in a clump of grass cannot have pond as a keyword if a pond is not visible.

The rule is so ambiguous as to be moronic but there we are.

Just checked the one of mine that's sat at the No.1 page 1 slot for a few months and it's slipped to No.2. Never sold. In fact I've had 4 on page 1 for probably a year now and none have sold. And a 5th has joined page 1 which is only a week old. That's out of 2000 images. No.1 don't mean sales I guess. Though if it dropped and bounced back up to 1 like it does, why does it bounce back up?

Quote from: cascoly on April 25, 2022, 02:34

Quote from: Wilm on April 24, 2022, 21:01
April is also worse for me at AS than March. But that has always been the case over the years. I can't see any change in the algorithm.

Regarding the downloads, it is about 10% less in April in the same period. In terms of revenue, I have a minus of about 25%. But that is probably more due to coincidence. Probably I had significantly more enhanced licenses in March.

my port isn't affected by month - there are ups & downs, but they average out - which why a 3–5-month running average is more appropriate to such a stochastic process as ms sales(even more so for small portfolios- cf law of small numbers); and worse,  we don't have detailed reporting from the agencies to create a statistically significant result, so individual anecdotes can't explain varying results

Therefore you meant to say it cannot explain it to you. With the data you have available to you.

You cannot speak for others logically because you do not have enough data from them to understand their findings, anecdotally or otherwise.

Wilms post however makes perfect sense given information I have about my port, that you do not. Other than that your anecdotal opinion had some useful views. Thank you.

Interesting Wilm thank you. If you have noticed April is down then on a port as small as mine this could translate. Thanks again.

Well there is a few assumptions there, I of course get your point.
I have a small portfolio of 500+ images. About 200 are new. 1 year old or younger. 40 videos 4k.

Many of my images are on page 1 of thousands. A few are at the top of page one. And two are No.1 on page 1 never sold but been there for several months.

But as I know very little of the inner workings I also know you don't either. But dribbling increasing sales over normall dead periods with increasing port size shouldn't stop dead for a month.

Well whatever Adobe did they did something. I had a slowly increasing portfolio. And slowly increasing sales. Then end of March my last, a sale of just over £1 which was happening more often.

And then sales died. And when I say died. I mean zero since
March 26th. Not a single sale.

Shutterstock sales however have been growing slowly and regularly.

So whatever Adobe did despite claims to the contrary something has changed.

Quote from: Uncle Pete on February 19, 2022, 18:05

Quote from: fotoVoyager on February 19, 2022, 17:08
I really like the Gursky stuff. It's very, very impressive in the flesh, the images are huge and flawlessly detailed. I wasn't expected to be impressed, but I was.

Art taste is strange, and yes sometimes big and in person makes a difference. I still like looking at a Jackson Pollack, but some people just go with the Jack the Dripper.



Really?

"The horizontal lines bring a sense of calm and lack of disturbance. It is a photograph you can meditate on, your eyes slowly following the horizontal lines from left to right, only to change direction and start jumping the stripes of color top to bottom and back to top again.

It is a picture to get lost in, but also one that is not inviting. The photo challenges us to see if we will look away, if we will take the easier path of finding something more appealing to rest our eyes on. Will we choose to take responsibility for what we've done to nature, or will we pretend nothing has happened? Or maybe there is a sense of pride in having been able to subdue a river as powerful as the Rhine?"

Jeez. I have a photo of a puddle if anyone is loaded and high on embalming fluid.

You can have the processed file, the raw file, the laptop its on, and the puddle. Ill dig that sucker up and deliver it dressed in nothing but a tu tu and a firemans helmet singing a love song if you want to part with a million dollars. While I wait for any takers, I'll be taking a photo of me crapping into a sink.

Hahahahaha I knew there would be a thread here:

"Exciting news ahead" [shuttertranslatatron] "pay you less"

Prioritising keywords should not be required. Petes spiel just amounts to "I think its better because it helps me game the system in my favour - maybe"

Whilst this is true because the first 10 words are given priority in image searches with the adobe algorithm its also false.

If everyone knows that's how they system works it becomes redundant. What would be better is if all keywords are made equal. The reason they aren't isn't because of technical advantage its because it makes it lighter on the adobe servers. Obviously. So let's be honest.

1. Slows down work flow for you. Instead of keywording rapid fire anything that occurs to you that you think could help find the image and all your options searched for equally- now you need to imagine what a buyer is looking for and why. If retail knew that magic element they'd make billions. Instead they employ other tactics. A pictures use is sometimes obvious but you would be stunned off your arse at how many pictures are used in ways that are unimaginable. All keywords should count equally. To do otherwise forces you to imagine what all the customers world wide would use to find your image. It's a nonsense.

2. When you tinker with them (many dont but should) down the line its a pig to do. You can't just go in and add it on the end and be done. You have to faf about reording them. I often notice when surfing the Web aspects of pictures usage that had enver occurred to me. I can add a keyword or two to push mine in that direction. But I have to decide how important the millions of customers might think that keyword would be.

Adobe have a shop window but they run it like a supermarket shelf. Supermarkets have a shelf kill zone. Level eyeline costs the most to put your product on. Higher up less and ankle level less. But you pay more to them they put it nearer the 45 degree eye lie kill zone. There are also zones in the whole store where buying is more likely so they map them via facial mapping and time spent in these zones vs product and spend amount. If the store could put every product in that 45 degree kill zone it would. They are limited by space.

Adobe are running the search like that. The 10 keywords may place your product in that kill zone. If your English is bad you'll be on the ankle shelf. If your imagination is bad you'll be on the ankle shelf. If your vocabulary is bad - ankle shelf. If you don't do your research ankle shelf. And the same applies to those buying. If they lack imagination, have poor English or lack vocabulary skills they are going to miss your image.

These variables need to align well to get a good sale. Done need to make the selling space smaller by limiting the amount of keywords that can find the image.

Is everyone that amazing with their keywording, linguistic skills, imagination, research, customer need knowledge to pin it on 10 keywords.

No you aren't. None of us are. Less hits = less sales.

Quote from: SVH on March 31, 2022, 23:16

Quote from: Wilm on March 31, 2022, 23:03
First of all: I keyword everywhere in english.

Only fotolia was different. I repeat myself. At that time the translation software was not very good.

The most successful providers came from Germany, followed by Russia, Ukraine and - at a clear distance - the USA. Istock and shutterstock were particularly successful in the USA, and fotolia was king in the European market. Fotolia tried to take international market share from the other agencies, for example, through the Dollarphotoclub, but it didn't work. Only the takeover by Adobe changed that.

As Jo Ann has already written, it was advisable (and also recommended) to use the local language for keywords at fotolia if the image material could be clearly assigned to one's own region.

And that is exactly what Sandeel did at that time.

Since you were not present at fotolia, you lack this knowledge. That is completely okay. But because you don't know how it was, your criticism was just not okay.

It didn't matter where fotolia's corporate headquarters were located. It did matter where the money was to be made. And the market outside the USA played a very important role.

I hope that it is now understandable. Today is today - there were other factors back then.

Yes, I do lack knowledge of the days back then. But if I understand correctly, from your words, translation was poor so people were aiming for the german market then, right? Otherwise people (in general, not you personally) would not have added german keywords. And now they complain that the international (English language) market doesn't see their photos with the german keywords. I am completely lost here what you are trying to say.

Reading the conversation it was you that piled in telling someone off. It really doesn't matter what your intention or impression is of what you wrote you are patently wrong. The OP has explained repeatedly that they are successful doing it their way and suddenly the system altered the way its search system gives results. It changed how the OPs images were found. Now it has reverted partially. The OP was asking for help in resolving this. They were not asking how to best keyword their images. The company may be American which is irrelevant as the customers are world wide. It is a warehouse of photos which doesn't have a base and floats around the Internet for all to find. The OPs images appear to sell well in Germany and are found via the German keywording. Enough that they feel they have done well.

If you are completely lost I would suggest it is because you do NOT appear to read posts correctly before you are thumping at your keyboard. Further, despite others more knowledgeable than you attempting to explain it to you, you are still pushing your ridiculous point.

Floating warehouse full of crap that people around the world can buy.

It may be an American warehouse but it isnt in America. Its in cyberspace and it sure as crap doesn't contain only American crap.

Must admit I find the prioritising of the first 10 keywords a nonsense. And that they must be in order of importance for search purposes. And cannot be alphabetical.

This isn't a technical advantage it is clearly a poorly designed system. If the search algorithm requires you to make tye first 10 words the priority then clearly it implies that only the first 10 are searched from a buyers perspective. And that is stone age. Even a basic search tool can search hundreds of  thousands of documents in seconds for a collection of words.
What's the point of having the other 40 if they'll be ignored or given less priority.

I also find it a nonsense to keyword only what's in a photo. Well it isn't abided by anyway but still. Even the auto keywords throw words in that are not in the photo. The implications are significant.

I regularly sell a forest photo that is keyworded spiritual and is found as such. You won't find a single vicar or somersaulting kung fu monk no matter how hard you peer into it. Not even a whiff of joss sticks 🙄

Quote from: MrVector on March 10, 2022, 04:14
Ukraine has no allies in the West. All these ridiculous demonstrative support is just for the sake of PR. All collected charitable money will be stolen and all weapons sent will be lost. Such a country...

Russia will continue to function. The people will live freed from the western husk. McDonald's and KFC are gone. Will they worry about it when there is borscht and fried potatoes?

Most likely, after a few years of recession, we will get a strong country with a developed economy. Don't forget, there are very talented people in Russia, and if they are squeezed into a corner, they are capable of miracles.

The UK is helping Ukraine by sending them trucks of weapons.  As are various countries in the west. Yesterday they were deciding on adding anti air craft weapons and anti tank weapons (missiles) to the trucks. We are also sending food and aid. We are also taking in Ukranians as are Poland, Germany and Spain.

I'm not sure what reports you are watching but the ones I'm seeing are Putin considering middle East mercenaries to top up his under funded, under educated and under age 'crack Russian forces' which rather than rocking up to Ukraine and handed flowers, have been handed their arses.

Perhaps you've been listening to too much borschit?

Now Putins calamity squad have allegedly found chemical and biological weapons. No doubt the Ukranians will suffer those as well. As if borscht wasn't punishment enough.

Russians are certainly talented though they seem to have had a democracy bypass and while they can build almost anything from the scrap heap of dead microwave ovens and hip implants even they can't build anything useful with just 'attitude'. I pity the Russian and other people who suffer these stupid and in this case, spectacularly inept dictators, who run feral until like everything that goes feral - it gets put out of everyone's misery.

If the keyword isn't in the photo you aren't permitted to use it. I had this discussion with Matt. Perhaps it was removed because it wasn't deemed - "in the photo"

Similars on SS explained.

1.30 on.

https://youtu.be/eN8hBiQBrJM

Adobe has become a ghost ship. Tripled portfolio size on last year and the sales have dropped off a cliff for several weeks. I've had 2 sales in the last month despite being on page 1 of quite a few images. Ive seen my portfolio shuffling about with images rising to the top and sitting there but nothing gets bought. Then they drift down again. I know what that looks like to me.

Adobe - dead.
ShutterS - fits and blips.

Quote from: thijsdegraaf on October 18, 2021, 20:55

Quote from: Lowls on October 18, 2021, 19:18

Quote from: Uncle Pete on October 18, 2021, 00:56

Quote from: Lowls on October 17, 2021, 19:00

Quote from: Uncle Pete on October 17, 2021, 15:05
If the OP is the original artist, they will re-instate his account and return the money.

Are you Shutterstock liason? Curious how you state as fact.

No I'm not, I wouldn't take that job, and no I'm not a fan of being cut down or what has happened recently. I'm just asking for a little bit of patience.

When we ask for action, they take time, then some people become hostile, because SS doesn't act fast enough. When they do make a mistake and close an account, that shouldn't be closed, some will say they acted too fast. We have seen over time, that the mistakes are eventually corrected.

That's all. I said IF, don't twist my words please.

You can have fast action, or allow for agency investigations into details. But you can't have review of theft without some errors. I hate to see someone wrongly accused of something they haven't done.

My personal hope is that the OP will come back and tell us that the unfortunate error was corrected and his earnings and account were fully restored. In the past they have been.

What's your point in accusing me which has nothing to do with the actual situation?

😳
I asked a question. Would be good to have a direct liason with SS in here like adobe do. You should take your own advice and stop being so hostile. If you do not like responses to the tomes you write, you should perhaps restrict what you have to say to prevent anyone daring to interact with you. Something I will not attempt again. How aggressive.

We once had that on Shutterforum. I remember Alex (admin) preventing someone's account from being closed because of a false accusation of having too many Similars. Nice to have someone like that. But that was a long time ago. I don't think they are closing the forum to let admins join in on Microstock afterwards to help. 
I read your answer as well as the others, that you had doubts about Pete.
Now that everyone's rightfully up for Pete, you're attacking him for answering at length.
I've known Pete for a long time too. Apparently a detailed explanation is useful. Because nobody understood your brief explanation. (Are you Shutterstock liason? Curious how you state as fact. By which you meant: Would be good to have a directliason with SS in here like adobe do.)

I'm afraid we gauge 'everyone' and 'everybody' substantially differently. If you and 'everybody' assume aggression  from my question despite a clarifying answer, this says something about your perceptions or interpretations of things. But please think whatever you wish it is apparent that your mind has been made up. And nothing it seems can change that. Even the truth. Odd behaviour indeed.

Quote from: Uncle Pete on October 18, 2021, 00:56

Quote from: Lowls on October 17, 2021, 19:00

Quote from: Uncle Pete on October 17, 2021, 15:05
If the OP is the original artist, they will re-instate his account and return the money.

Are you Shutterstock liason? Curious how you state as fact.

No I'm not, I wouldn't take that job, and no I'm not a fan of being cut down or what has happened recently. I'm just asking for a little bit of patience.

When we ask for action, they take time, then some people become hostile, because SS doesn't act fast enough. When they do make a mistake and close an account, that shouldn't be closed, some will say they acted too fast. We have seen over time, that the mistakes are eventually corrected.

That's all. I said IF, don't twist my words please.

You can have fast action, or allow for agency investigations into details. But you can't have review of theft without some errors. I hate to see someone wrongly accused of something they haven't done.

My personal hope is that the OP will come back and tell us that the unfortunate error was corrected and his earnings and account were fully restored. In the past they have been.

What's your point in accusing me which has nothing to do with the actual situation?

😳
I asked a question. Would be good to have a direct liason with SS in here like adobe do. You should take your own advice and stop being so hostile. If you do not like responses to the tomes you write, you should perhaps restrict what you have to say to prevent anyone daring to interact with you. Something I will not attempt again. How aggressive.

Quote from: Uncle Pete on October 17, 2021, 15:05
If the OP is the original artist, they will re-instate his account and return the money.

Are you Shutterstock liason? Curious how you state as fact.

Hi thijs may not be anything spectacular insect wise to shoot but I had to leave our dogs poop on the lawn because we were in a rush. Picked it up the next morning in a poo bag. But when I turned it through there was what I can only describe as a fluttering against my hand. I wondered what on earth it was but our dogs poop had been completely taken over by little dusky green and dusky copper beatles. Hundreds of them. I almost freaked and flung my hand away but if you have a dog it might create an interesting photo.

I was doing quite well. Better than expected given port size but in september it began slowing down. To a stop. I have a very small port but the payout's are better, when they come. But since during august I had sporadic sales. Last sale September 6th and again yesterday.