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« on: April 17, 2021, 11:52 »
I just informed Wirestock about it - I even had to write them about other things anyway. And I told them: Who knows, maybe Adobe allows Wirestock to opt out from that crap new idea? If yes: Wirestock might get many new contributors, who upload via wirestock instead of uploading themselves! Maybe deleting all images and upload via wirestock again to get fair prices from Adobe, which would be still higher with the 15% cut from wirestock.
AAAAH! ADOBE! AT LEASST we all know it but did not want to believe ourselves.
Dreamstime is for sure the next, but until then maybe our new favourite?
What is left?
As already often mentioned:
We should ALL close our accounts everywhere (Yay, SS, is, Adobe,123, Deposit, ...
and only sell on Alamy (RM without private use), Zoonar (take care on which partners there!), Photocase, and Pond5!
Then we can decide:
Best photos as explained above.
Typical stockphotos we do not really care about - to normal, nothing special: Still upload to the devils like SS and so on.
Customers then must search for the good photos on the fair agencies and on all others they will only find that crap normal photos - nothing special.
I really do not know, why we are not doing it!?
After Istock/Getty, shutterstock and NOW ADOBE:
What else do we need to wake up?
LETs SHOCK them all by leaving that unfair agencies!
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« on: April 13, 2021, 06:30 »
I have some photos which are good for 3d backgrounds or as backdrops for phantasy films or similar genre.
Where should I upload these photos?
I could imagine Pond5 and Adobe could be good for it? Or is there any agency which is perfect for these kind of photos?
With other words: Customers who search for that kind of photos prefer to search on which agencies first?
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« on: April 13, 2021, 05:30 »
# 1848 x 1224 pixels
and
1692 x 1125 pixels
so not full resolution.#
Well, then it seems to be really something like side business:
If we further see bought in China..., well, I guess, they would not buy it for usual price - except very few one as mentioned above.
So, opt in might NOT competiting with ourselves or giving away for cheaper?
But who says, that only customer from China want to use it?
A clearify from Alamy would help. Then it might be easier to decide t opt in or opt out.
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« on: March 25, 2021, 12:48 »
yes, you are right. and it is better to make it clear for those, who might not know it.
181
« on: March 25, 2021, 11:43 »
Imagine:
All agencies would offer this:
1. New images on the top (first third) for 90 days, then directly the best sellers, most viewed.
2. Customer search:
a) Life search: We can see, what customers are searching LIFE and with which keywords!
We can see what customers were searching for in the last
b) 24 hours
c) 7 days
from most to less.
Collection views also listed and collection getting a ranking by views too. Here also NEW collection AND just new changed collections shown up directly on the top of a search - before the single images appear.
Best: We can click on a search keyword (real time/24h/7 days) and see:
1. Which images and collections are shown for the customer.
2. another link: All images we upload and includes that keyword, got listed for us as contributor.
With this information we can do a lot. not only changing relevant keywords, which we might forgot, but really relevant. And on this agency the changes appears DIRECTLY!
What are customers looking for? We can upload or take shots of it.
ALL THIS IS JUST A DREAM!
NO!
It newly exist on one agency, which changed so many things in the last month. Great job!
The problem is:
It is a POD site: photo4me.com
And we know, they are mostly sell images from UK. But they are working on expanding to US too.
I write this here to tell you, there are still agencies caring much on their artists and make it better for them. Something positive - needed in this time, isnt it?
Of course: For bigger agencies it will never be possible to do the same. But it would be nice, if some would try to follow this just partly - maybe with that 7 days ranking of keyword searches.
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« on: March 25, 2021, 11:19 »
Yes, again.-)
1. Ranking of images
Well, for Adobe it is clear: The first 30 days are the most important for getting a good or bad ranking of our photos. To maximize the chance for a good ranking we need:
accurate good keywords (max 49) and the keyword order (first weights most, second... and so on to 10th) AND best these first 10 keywords are used also in the title. (Just to break it down in short.)
A few month ago I got the information that Adobe wanted to change something:
(Sorry, I cannot remember well, but if I am not wrong, it was an email to the contributors?)
Because in the past NEW images got more weight and shown on the top, the best seller images got their competitors from these new images. That is it what Adobe wanted to change - if I remember right. They changed the system/algerhythm in that way, that the best seller appears on the top and the new images much later.
If that is right, then uploading new images could be a waist of time, especially if competing images (same motif/theme) are to many.
In this forum one or two mentioned that they still get good sales from old images, but nearly no sale from new images. Could be that the result?
Then all the good advices above about keywording and so on is for nothing, because it does not count anymore?
2. Portfolio Exposure:
As a normal contributor the exposure from Wirestock will be much bigger of course.
Just an extreme example/question:
If you have a portfolio from only around 500 images and no sales yet, should it than better to upload via Wirestock to get a bigger chance to sell anything. (We are not talking about quality of the image, just exposure/ranking)
3. Ranking of accounts/portfolio:
How much does it influence the ranking of images - beside the keywords and exposure? And which agencies known that they do rank accounts in which way ever?
4. First 30 days important for ranking ono all agencies? (and google?)
Adobe = 30 first days important for ranking. which other agencies could say the same? I guess Alamy is different, Pond5 told me it needs more than two month until the ranking is clear (footage AND photo). What do you think? What about DT, SS, DP, 123RF, iS?
Many questions again. Hopefully soon I will have learned more.
Thx in advance.
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« on: March 09, 2021, 07:20 »
#To participate in Extra Channels, you dont need to do anything. If you would like to opt out, please reply to this email by March 11, 2021.#
So I thought it would be the same like with instant - opt in or out for ALL images all time.
But after I asked them, they told me that for Extra Channels I can opt in each image separately! I hope, they did not lie! Even the words above tells us only for all and all time.
Instant: I do not know, why they "offer" a link for each image to opt in. They should just show it as in or out as decided without any possibility to click on it.
And I also critic them about the emails for opt in / out:
1. TOOOOO short time
2. It should be the other way around: If you want to opt in, tell us. If you do nothing, you will not get opt in.
But I think and hope, they just did not think to the end - no way to fish us or something else.
I was surprised:
I had many many images I did not yet want to submit to SS, but yesterday I saw nearly ALL submitted to SS. I will check it out today again and if I need them to get away from SS, then I will ask them to delete them on SS. Much extra work again for the team only cause of bugs and errors.
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« on: March 09, 2021, 06:56 »
123RF same like dreamstime 100 $ payout?
185
« on: March 06, 2021, 13:20 »
Extra Channels:
Canva (standard)
Science Photo Agency - can anybody tell me more about them?
Wirestock Direct Sales with Brands/Agencies
In the next few months they will adding more marketplaces. A List of Wirestocks Extra Channels partners will be add soon too.
So there will be standard AND premium non exclusive sales on Extra Channels! (Which makes it again difficult to decide! BUT: We can decide for each image, if we want or not want to use the Extra Channels - like clicking on the agencies right now).
Premium images will be SELECTED (like on eyeEm) for the premium partners.
So with my words and what I understand:
If we click on Extra Channels, I guess ALL will go straight to Canva, where we get a share , just might be wirestock sells more there, but does it means that we get more than if we upload to Canva on our own?
Premium: They will select - no idea, if we get informed if we got selected!
So Extra Channels offers more possibilities, but also that low pennies on Canva and who knows who will also a standard partner in the future? A kind of Getty - connect comes in my mind.
So do not just think, you might get a premium sale, where we get 50% instead of 85%! But Cheapest would be from 100 USD, means 50 USD (50%) and could be even much more.
On the other side it could be pennies!
If Wirestock would separate it and we would have tow decisions: pennies / premium, it would be easier to decide! But that is of course their strategy to get many many many for Canva and the very very best for the premium. But do they really automatically send ALL premium images to Canva too?
HUMM
The information above I got via email after I asked about Extr5a Channel.
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« on: February 23, 2021, 04:59 »
Everest, you are totally right with saying this:
#There are not so many options on the video front and buyers can search in 5 minutes at the gig 4 and locate the file if it is there. Now if they subscribe at shutter you get your 1$ and loose 39. Not a winning proposition under my point of view.#
AND!: #Buyers are very price conscious nowadays.#
I asked Pond5 for some information about different things and ONE they always repeat telling me - advised me: Have in mind, buyers looking around to try cheaper files.
Not like other agencies like Alamy or other contributor say, that buyers are to lazy to look around. That might were right in the past, but NOWADAYS for sure much more have to look for cheaper files.
The advice from Everest is only good as long our videos (images) have not many competition on SS. If there are to many competition, then it might be no matter where to upload. But as more not uploading good files to SS as more benefit.
187
« on: February 04, 2021, 09:02 »
Very interesting! And thanks a lot for sharing these information.
It would be interesting, if following strategy would be good or not:
Lets say, we can find out ourselves, which photos we took are better shots and which just usual. For the usual one I would follow the upload ones and go strategy and directly to ALL agencies.
But for the better photos it might be interesting in separate uploads to different agencies?
For example: Upload to Zoonar, Photocase, Alamy first.
After 3 month upload to Adobe, Dreamstime
After another 3 month or much more time upload to 123rf, deposit, iStock, (shitterstock).
Of course we have to have in mind, if that photos already getting unpopular. so it would only work for photos, which will be still popular after a year or so.
I know it is also about how agencies sell!
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« on: January 28, 2021, 10:20 »
After delete all videos and photos on your portfolio, write yay every three days, that they should defenitly delete and remove all files from your portfolio AND from all other agencies, where they also sell them for example Alamy and agefotostock. AND tell them you will keep the forum updated if they do it or not. With that way my photos were finally deleted and removed all. You can read about it also in the other thread:
Yaymicro - Legal solution ideas
189
« on: January 26, 2021, 10:06 »
Thank you for your more information.
Alamy on agefotostock:
I found my own from Alamy and the ones I upload via Wirestock (smartphone photos) on the Alamy link from agefotostock. But I think, they were not upload from yay to agefotostock, but from Alamy to agefotostock. And that is okay.
Interesting: Little bit different prices, but okay! AND: My model released photos are only for sale in editorial. I checked again on Alamy and wirestock: Still model released = commercial.
My profile name from Yay on agefotostock doesnt show any photos. So it might worked well and they do not (any longer ) excist there. Could be also that they did not get YET there, because I just upload photos on yay a few month ago. (Background: I wanted to support one more of the smaller agencies, which are fairer with the commissions, but less sales. Well, it is frustrating that even some of these agencies get worse for any contributor.
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« on: January 26, 2021, 07:46 »
Hi,
I just wanted to give an update, regarding my images on agefotostock. They finally deleted them (after 4+ years selling my work against my will), and it was one of the most humiliating experiences of my life.
After YayImages just ignored me for weeks, and later misunderstood my request (fx. they wrote "Are you able to login to your dashboard and view sales?" when I clearly started with "I deleted my acccount in 2016..."), I contacted agefotostock directly. They also ignored me for some weeks, but then I was told, they have the right to sell my images, because they have a contract with Yay. They just did not believe me 
In the end about a week ago Yay finally contacted agefotostock and they deleted my images, but they also told me, according to Yay, I just contacted them recently about this problem (implying I am a liar) and they knew nothing about my account being deleted in 2016 even though I send them the e-mail confirmation from Yay (from 2016) in which they assured me to delete my images and that they also contacted their partners, agefotostock and alamy to notify them about deletion.
So now my images are not on sale anymore, but Yay ignores me again, regarding my earnings for the last 4 years. Very frustrating.
So my advice for anyone thinking about uploading to this agency: STAY AWAY!
Indeed bad experience. Nice to hear that finally you solved the problem. agefotostock and alamy? How can I find out if my images are online there? You know, they removed all my images from my portfolio on yay finally, but we never know, if they also did it on their partner sites. So, I want to prove it.
191
« on: January 26, 2021, 06:11 »
I did not reupload, too. But I saw them online on my portfolio. So, I do not know, why they asking me to do it.
192
« on: January 26, 2021, 03:57 »
Pond5: 1 free video and now (new) 1 photo free weekly, no problem! And that are videos or photos signed from the contributor for following advertisments like that or including abonnements.
The really good thing of it is: If you go to the free clip, directly below are similar clips shown from the same contributor for sale. So it is also an advertisment for the contributor! Great idea.
The 50% off for photos ends on 26 January, today!
I have no idea how it works: They just cut the 50 % from pond5, so pond5 does not get anything just that advertisment or it is shared with the contributors. So if you set a price for 10 $, instead of getting 5, you get 2,50 while that advertisment time.
But it is still good, because it is set for a limited time and we contributors could react if we want: increase the price. But I am okay with it, if it helps to attrack buyers for photos on pond5, which is badly needed, but I also can accept pond5 decission to focus on videos. But this 50% off for photos is a sign that they might focus little bit more on photos, too. So, hands up!
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« on: January 25, 2021, 09:42 »
I want to apologize my fault when I wrote this:
# No idea either, if this is something like promo.com, where our photos and videos are offered for free. #
I was not thinking enough when I wrote it. Of course Getty and Shutterstock are not giving our videos and photos away for free on promo.com. From Getty we get that connect payout or how ever they call it. But indeed long time nobody here knew, if they are totally for free. Well, we get something for it, even it is nearly the same like nothing. But right: I was wrong!
And the two other websites here: I do not know yet, but did not directly thought they use our images for free, because our artist name or file numbers are shown. Maybe just another kind of connect? But this time from other agencies? Well, we never know and we do not know, where else our images are offered in which kind ever.
It is just little bit frustrating that we have to research it on our own, then investigate on our own, because some agencies dont give us that kind of information anywhere before that. But on the other side I can understand them: There might be to many websites - not only affiliate ones. It would be to complicated for us contributors to understand it, because we do not know anything about business and how it works.
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« on: January 25, 2021, 04:59 »
I found one of my (really not best) images as thumb for a free images/vector/video site called icon0.com: I am curious, where did this website get my photo? This photo - who wonder - never get sold. but here used as thumb to pull interest for their site. So I went there, but could not find that photo on that site! Strange, isnt it? If you go there, you find free images on their own site, but also 123RF, deposit and shutterstock. I tried to fin some photos from me, but could not find any. Maybe you can find your photos there for free? I have no idea, how this site works. No idea either, if this is something like promo.com, where our photos and videos are offered for free. On the main site of icon0.com you can find another website with free images/vectors called vecteezy.com. Funny: Contributors get paid 5 $ per 1000 downloads! Also on that website I could not find any of my photos. So, this is just to inform you, if you also never heard about these two websites. And if you know them and can tell us more about them, let us know. Seem like both websites working together. Here the links: This link shows up 123RF, deposit and shutterstock. Seems like they got my photo from 123RF https://www.icon0.com/index.php?str=33&search=galaxy%20icon&flow=2&stock=rf123The main site of icon0.com with the link to vecteezy: https://www.icon0.comAnd here vecteezy: https://www.vecteezy.com
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« on: January 21, 2021, 05:56 »
As promised, here my last update about removing all images from Yay:
I just proved it today and YES, Yay DID remove all my photos as asked for and I can still log in in my account.
So it works at least if we push them many times to do it.
I would suggest other contributors should do the same, if they want Yay to remove their photos.
Maybe I will still use my account on Yay for my worst photos, which surprisingly getting accepted on several agencies. If they did not get a sale after one year - (who will wonder), then I upload them to Yay and Canva, where I do not care if i only get pennies or nearly nothing for it.
Another year later I might upload that bad photos on a free pic site, just to prove if indeed there are buyers out there, using them.
But I will use another profile name, because I do not want people know about my bad photos LOL
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« on: January 18, 2021, 07:15 »
Fast reply from YAY:
# Hi
This should have already been processed, as the index was recently moved to a new server and now has started to update every week. I'll investigate with IT today as to why the photos you deleted had not been removed.
Kind regards #
I keep you update
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« on: January 18, 2021, 04:34 »
I just wrote Yay again and tell them to pressure them by regular report, if they started to remove my photos or not.
So I keep this thread on the top.
I hope, this works and Yay starting to remove my photos.
The other contributors, who have the same problem and even see there photos still online after closing their accounts years ago, keep on update here, too.
If Yay wants to get trust by contributors again, they should react and remove the photos.
It is little bit aggressive, I know, but I am not a shame to do it.
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« on: January 18, 2021, 04:16 »
Just a guess:
They sent emails with a promo:
50% for photos.
MAYBE most got it around that date and just check if there are photos which they might buy, but at least they didnt in the most of time?
BTW: The promo is until 26th this January.
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« on: January 17, 2021, 12:59 »
10.000.000 accounts on Promo and we are wondering that sales goes down everywhere?
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« on: January 14, 2021, 14:37 »
13 days ago was the last time from many times I asked yay to remove all my images from there website/my portfolio.
I deleted them already one by one BEFORE that, but until now they are still online.
A little bit surprising was their last email:
# Hi
Yayimages had previous owners (2 years ago) that had sub licensed some content. We have not forged any new sublicensing partnerships because acquiring our own customers is more of a priority.
We can close your account if you like. Its not a problem.
Can I ask which agency has the best model for you and the best sales volume?
Thanks. #
1. I just uploaded my images a few month ago, so should not have any commection to the old subs he is talking about.
2. Could it really be a good agency, if they ask ME, a newbie in stockphotos with only a round 500 images there, which agency has the best model for you (me) and the best sales volume? That is a beginner question, isnt it?
If I would have an own agency, I would look around and find out about my competitors BEFORE I open a new agency. Seem like Yay has indeed no strategy at all.
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