Quote from: sam_444 on September 03, 2019, 12:17

Can you confirm where you are viewing the keywords to determine they are different from what you applied? If you are viewing from the public facing portfolio page, the keywords displayed are not necessarily the keywords applied to the image. Those are recommended keywords of similar subjects created by Adobe Sensei to assist customers in their search. If you are viewing from the Dashboard section of the portal and scrolling down to see your keywords and they are different, then it is likely you uploaded with no embedded keywords and selected multiple images at once. Sensei generates up to 25 keywords for you automatically though they can't be seen when multi-select in use. There is a warning message that appears however to give you a heads up.

-Mat

There is so much content missing in the stock video industry, I really don�t understand why so many places are trying to close down?

If I may comment on pricing.
Yes an enterprise might pay 10000 or 20000 for a shooting and stock saves the day for peanuts.
ok.

but....

There is another thread in the forum, if stock got people other clients.
Here is a simple estimation of a video shooting with editing,
more than just slight cropping, grading etc.
Guess we have all done this at least once.

Weddings. Let's name a price. 1000 Euros
too little? let's ask 2000 Euros
Let's count the MINIMUM discarded clips of a single main shooter.
No second operator, no third camera, no drone shots.

grooms preparation friends & house 10-20 clips
bride's preparation friends and house 20-30 clips
kids, parents, relatives, decoration 10-20 clips
place of wedding or church, decoration and guests 20-30 clips
ceremony itself 20-30 clips
after wedding party 10-20 clips
EDIT: No nextday or studio shots

People involved in weddings know very well that this clip count  is actually faulty and really poor.
Anyway we got 90 to 150 clips.
For a 2000Euros price, this translates to 22.23 down to 13.34 Euros per clip.
Including post processing, licensing music and distribition on physical or digital media.
For a unique event shot for one client once in a lifetime and with the risk to lose critical frames.

Still a newbie but, yup! I love stock. It actually pay less in total but still better that weddings...

Quote from: increasingdifficulty on August 03, 2019, 09:09

Quote from: Daryl Ray on August 03, 2019, 08:07

THIS test had only been running that long. And it most definitely would have caused a massive slowdown for any sellers offering clips above the excluded price points.

Yes, and you replied using that as the reason that liveoutloud's sales had "been dropping like a rock" since February. So we should have interpreted that as them ruining sales on purpose since February?

Quote from: Daryl Ray on August 03, 2019, 08:07

In case you didn't know, this test was accidentally stumbled upon by a contributor. That's not "considered" to be shady, that's straight-up behind the back betrayal of trust.

Yes, I have read all the posts in all of the threads regarding this. Every single one. My wording was a polite way of saying it was shady. I fully agree there.

I test the search almost every week to see if action needs to be taken. I haven't seen this price discrimination before.

Quote from: Daryl Ray on August 03, 2019, 08:07

It is incredibly naive to assume this was the only sales damaging blunder they've made this year.

Well, sales damaging for some does not mean sales damaging for all. You have around 35-40 people posting in the P5 threads. They make up a very, very small part of the 17.5 million total clips online.

What I find very naive is the constant talk of "caring about the individual contributor". With many thousands, this is only done by trying to raise sales on average. Some individuals will always suffer. Of course, in all of our minds, "me" is what is most important.

My 2019 is better than my 2018, so from my perspective the so called "sales damaging blunders" have not been sales damaging at all. And this is with the 20% non-exclusive cut since March, so the amount spent is actually a lot higher than 2018. The same would be true for SpaceStockFootage, even though that's for animations mostly. His average is close to the same DESPITE the cut.

Quote from: Daryl Ray on August 03, 2019, 08:07

What a condescending comment. And the irony is the failure to understand that search results don't bring up every clip every made. On a specific given search term, a clip isn't competing with "17.5 million clips". Many searches have fewer than 500 results, many other niche topics less than 100. When Pond5 excludes every clip over $50 or $80 from a search, that is a major problem that more contributors in that price range should be aware of, and very vocal about. Attacking the intelligence of the contributors who are actively speaking up about this is just unnecessarily rude. Try to comprehend that.

This wasn't directed at you, and I apologize if you interpreted it that way. BUT, I stand by that many of the P5 posters SEEM to not understand the basics of an incredibly high increase in supply. Just because they sold a lot when it was easier does not mean it will stay that way forever.

Too true.

I see a lot of contributors complaining that have been with P5 a while.
And I also see a lot of really good new contributors too.
Always got to keep an eye on the competition, why am I selling less? Perhaps its because there are newer better clips than mine?
Metaphorically speaking.

Also with reference to the 17.5 million clips being in direct competition with each other.
Type in say "young millennial caucasian couple romantic"
And there's 1400 clips.

Filming a drone view of the countryside at sunset might be different.

I sometimes despair at the amount of clips there are, then I look at the amount of clips in direct competition to mine and there aren`t that many. 1000 to 100 depending on the search and subject.