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@Bauman AI contents are illustrations,in the end it is just a rendering of pixels,but it is certainly a form of art like 3D or painting,even if painting requires more skill and experience,there's no denying that creating AI content is an art form.

The problem is that many people use AI as if it were a photograph and not an illustration.

And this is not good for us photographers (because we lose sales) and for those who look at these images, because almost always, when they are published, it is not specified that they are AI and therefore they are confused or even deceived by fake photographs.
And this is not good for us film photographers (because we lose sales) and for those who look at these images, because almost always, when they are published, it is not specified that they are digital and therefore they are confused or even deceived by fake film images


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I take landscape images from real, but the web is full of fake landscapes that are believed to be real. Maybe you book a trip to a location that isn't the one you see in the photos.
first, you assume all those using 'fake' landscapes believe them to be real - if i'm writing about castles in general, i may just want a generic castle

you describe a different problem - artists are responsible for proper description of their images - eg stock images of an ocean with tags 'atlantic' AND 'pacific'.  and even more so, those selling the booking are responsible for accuracy - all images can be mis-used  (eg, insects or plants with incorrect latin names)

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It's more important to produce real content than AI,especially if you have some skills and experience,it's better to use it,but it is always better to try to do everything possible.
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a label for real content is a good idea,i actually don't know if it's necessary,since if it's not AI it's real,but perhaps it can somehow highlight real content more. :)

right - "do everything possible." is why we use AI

what makes it real to use a highly automated machine that measures light and turns it into a series of pixels, themselves descrbed by 1 & 0's?

in ultimate terms NO art is 'real' but that's its beauty - an artist's interpretation of the physical world

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 i started in stock in the 70s - in those days you would send your slides to the agency.    clients would submit a request and the agency would physically go to their files to select slides that might work and send those to the client.  each agency had their own filing system and most of the knowledge was what the staff remembered.

the big problem was your slides might spend most of their time being sent to different clients w/o ever making a sale and the companies often didnt make duplicates as there was a lot of quality loss with slider dupes.  footage was probably even more difficult to deal with. 

the upside was you'd get $100 - $500+ per slide accepted. (but total I made per year was less than I made in the high times of microstock which I started in 2006)

in the 90s i worked with a Seattle agency that was one of the first to sell CDs with images - they'd put 100 640x480 images on a disc & sell for $150-$300!

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The unwritten rule --- 1,000 images equaled $200 a month per site.  That person said you should get $.20 per image per month.

 Cannot remember who said but they were a microstock author (wrote a few books) as well. Their rule was pretty good at the time in the hey day of microstock.

keep your salt shaker handy -- in many fields the best way to make money is to sell a book or seminar telling people h ow to make that money

i doubt the $200 per 1000 images was ever the case for a majority of artists. and of course, it always depends on content.

similar for half-life rule - if your images are topical, yes, but more generic i mages can continue to sell

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Canva / Re: Notice of violation emails
« on: April 20, 2024, 13:31 »
Hi there,

Apologies for the concern around the messaging here. I have shared the feedback here with our team.

The same email is currently being sent for all content removals, whether very serious violations of our Acceptable Use Policy, or contributed content removed from Creators as part of ongoing content library audits.

The messaging around "suspension" is not intended for the latter case; so please don't be alarmed by this, and you don't need to worry about account suspension.

Hope this helps!
doesnt help at all - yesterday i was told i was in violation for a shot of civil war re-enactors firing a volley - clearly identified, but now rejected due to violence!

they have a lot of work to do:

re-enactment  29,468 images
civil war 178,809
battle  66,647
fight  180,345
rifle volley 20,526  (but most are images of 'volley' ONLY!
   rifle + volley = same #
   "rifle volley" 83,456,540 !!!!


since canva no longer uses human reviewers (rejecting everything seconds after they're uploaded) those displaced workers have been transferred to the Ministry of Silly Works

and why has 'DannyCanva' (26 posts in 4+ years) not responded to the absence of a sensible review process  ?

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There will be other magazines that don't care and that is their choice.

and that's the key problem -  it isn't whether digital or AI content is used, but how it is represented. and that becomes increasing difficult in a world of deep fakes at all levels

the discussion should not be whether a tool is ethical or 'real' but how users of that tool are presenting it
 

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Doesn't really answer the question - if you cannot distinguish real photos from Ai created images, why should you inists on using real photos? Yes, AI suck at most medical content right now (though I have sold AI images of medical conditions already) and food is hit or miss, but I have sold many AI food photos as well. I even once posted  a link here to a site with Asian recipes - all images were AI created. (And most looked very weird. Obviously the creator of that site did not care)
But AI is only going to get better in the future. So why should someone inists of using a real photo "just for the sake of using a real photo", when there is no difference in the end result?
Why use a real photo when, at some point, the people buying and reading the food magazine will not be able to tell whether real photos or AI images were used? Especially if AI images were so much cheaper and faster to create?  I don't see the advantage from the publisher's point of view.

if a food article is about a specific recipe, then the final result would hopefully show an actual dish, but it could use ai for individual ingredients, or techniques

or, Scientific American often uses illustrations for quantum, medical, astronomical and other complex articles but no reason AI couldn't help here, especially as a first draft, AS LONG AS there is human review for accuracy.

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General - Top Sites / wirestock wants to be your friend
« on: April 13, 2024, 18:59 »
what a great idea !  latest from wirestock: "Great news! Weve launched the Wirestock Marketplace. To boost its promotion, well include 5% of your unsold content in our free collection. "   "By offering your content for free, you gain unmatched exposure, potentially increasing your sales and overall platform visibility."

dont they know unmatched exposure leads to skin cancer?

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I'm curious: for US citizens, microstock agencies withhold the taxes amount like for foreigners? For me for example they withhold 30% of the incoming for sales in USA.

no, none of my US agencies withhold taxes on my accts - only one is AUS based Canva, & i I get those withholdings back when i file my taxes

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No, it is income and not what is considered royalties.  You will need to pay self employment tax.

Depends. True if it's active and makes the majority of your income. If it's passive, then it's Schedule E, no self employment tax.

At least that's what my CPA said.
you  need a 2nd opinion! or a new CPA  - do they understand that royalty-free doesnt mean you're receiving royalties?

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I have created all of my stock assets before moving to the US, so I haven't engaged in any stock production on American Soil (tm). Why would I pay self-employment tax?
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that's new info you didnt bother to tell us earlier

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No, it is income and not what is considered royalties.  You will need to pay self employment tax.

Depends. True if it's active and makes the majority of your income. If it's passive, then it's Schedule E, no self employment tax.

At least that's what my CPA said.
you  need a 2nd opinion! or a new CPA  - do they understand that royalty-free doesnt mean you're receiving royalties?

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Print on Demand Forum / Re: Selling on Fine Art America
« on: March 29, 2024, 09:07 »
As of today, I have almost 550 photos on FAA, and I have made over $12k there since I started in ~2014.
I do not advertise, promote or cross-promote anything, I don't interact with comments and likes.
My last FAA sale was two days ago (see below). The advertisement mentioned is not mine (this is what the FAA does, hence the deep discount).

Is that $12k profit or sales? As I know FAA will take a lot of commissions.

you don't know - FAA takes no commission - they set a basic price for a product and you add the amount you want to get when it sells

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Print on Demand Forum / Re: Selling on Fine Art America
« on: March 29, 2024, 09:05 »
yes, you need a decent sized portfolio and do the work - just waiting for sales won't get you anywhere

https://fineartamerica.com/profiles/steve-estvanik

we have a group of artists on FAA who cross-promote each others work and discuss working within FAA

https://fineartamerica.com/groups/the-hashtag-team.html?tab=overview

If that means to pay to advertise, I see no point. Better advert your own website. That's what I thought, that FAA stated they do everything, including advertising for you. And you only get the commission. At the moment I have around 2.6k on photo4me. Never sold anything, but not bothered because I don't have to pay any fees.

choice is yours - pay nothing and earn nothing or subscribe & make some money  beyond what you pay - FAA gets noticed while individual sites rarely do

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Print on Demand Forum / Re: Selling on Fine Art America
« on: March 29, 2024, 04:08 »
yes, you need a decent sized portfolio and do the work - just waiting for sales won't get you anywhere

https://fineartamerica.com/profiles/steve-estvanik

we have a group of artists on FAA who cross-promote each others work and discuss working within FAA

https://fineartamerica.com/groups/the-hashtag-team.html?tab=overview

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Canva / Re: Notice of violation emails
« on: March 21, 2024, 08:50 »
Hi there,

Apologies for the concern around the messaging here. I have shared the feedback here with our team.

The same email is currently being sent for all content removals, whether very serious violations of our Acceptable Use Policy, or contributed content removed from Creators as part of ongoing content library audits.

The messaging around "suspension" is not intended for the latter case; so please don't be alarmed by this, and you don't need to worry about account suspension.

Hope this helps!
once again canva takes an insulting way out with such weassal-worded messages --    why not be upfront & say "we deleted this - guess why?"


i've been getting same rejections for erotic sculptures on hindu temples - are they going to start deleting any depiction of anatomy?

a MUCH MORE serious problem is the rejection of entire batches SECONDS after uploading --  they refuse to even acknowledge this is happening despite being reported by many long time contributors.  instead they send condescending boilerplate:

We've reviewed your most recent image submission and found that most of them do not adhere to the Canva image quality standards. Based on overall artistic appeal, usability and technical quality, we are unable to accept them into the library.



 and, of course, they can't be bothered to say what those might be. obviously an AI is running  amuck (another inheritance from ancient Hindus).

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If I still had a port on ss, i would just leave the port there and maybe upload less if i didn't like the returns. or just upload the weaker files from a series, sort of a "teaser" and if someone wants the full series they can look at pond5 or adobe....

how likely is it that someone seeing your 'lesser' work on SS s going to think you have better work on other sites?  more likely they'll just find a better image on SS - stock is a commodity & users don't follow particular artists

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Monthly earnings and downloads
« on: March 14, 2024, 07:28 »
How many downloads and earnings do you generate per month on Shutter Stock?

January 2024 -> 174 download , 20,57 dollar
February 2024 -> 162 download , 23,90 dollar

Total number of photos: 27123
Total number of video: 212

What's the situation with you? If we regularly state our monthly earnings, we can be a reference to each other. I was earning $100 per month in the last 5-6 months of 2023, but these earnings dropped in the new year.

my God what a disaster! :-\

Shutterstock is gone,someone who sells quite well,still sells,but is now an agency in decline,and then they don't want to accept AI content,another demonstration that they have no intention of continuing this business with contributors.

so, first all the AI rants about it killing sales on AS, now attacking SS because they DON't accept AI??

the fact that low prices are .10 is irrelevant when RPD is .6-.8 shows higher sales still occur. and for me SS is double AS most months

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Canva / Re: Magic Creator Payment is now completely zero
« on: March 13, 2024, 10:56 »
Feb 2024 numbers are in...

Applies +10%, Exports +3% -> Earnings -4%
Magic Creator Payment 2nd month in a row at "nothing", not even a number there...

Does anyone else have the impression that we're being screwed over here?

nope - my MC payments have been steady even with  canva doing instantaneous 100% rejects of new uploads -- earnings dropped about 20% a year ago, but have remained at that point since then

funny how so many assume there must be a conspiracy when their individual earnings go down.

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For some time I've been toying with idea of keeping only Alamy and Adobe and closing all other accounts, including SS.  This is an interesting dilemma, and I don't think there is straight cut answer that applies equally to everyone.

i still need to do the same work for other agencies, so no reason to stop uploading, but i encourage everyone else to stop uploading and seek medical aid for firearms damage to their metatarses

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The problem with all these AI tools, they don't provide the location, keywords and description about location which for me is very important, even tho the test image had the coordinates in the picture, Udream (the only one tested) didn't use any of that info to provide the location, so useless for me.

when i use chatgpt i ask for tags from my description which does include the location

The way I understood the comment, the ask is for the tool to figure out the location by itself which it can do if the image contains the gps metadata (which is more reverse geocoding than AI) or if the image is of a recognizable location.

but location alone can't tell what's in the background,esp'ly for landscapes - eg a view from a pass may be looking in any of 4 directions with different mountains to be named.

The ask was merely to obtain the location from the location metadata in the first place (in lieu of manually as you say you do).
From there, most would expect the location helps set the context for the rest of the keywords with respect to whats in the picture..
eg. A picture of a big metal tower in Paris, or a big canyon in Arizona, or a large waterfall in Zambia. With location, a good guess could be made as to what each description is referring to.

Another example would be of wildlife where almost all Id forums ask for location (and date) because different species can otherwise look identical.
but there can be different species in the same location - eg crows vs ravens, or multiple species of antelope, etc

i'd rather enter the actual information rather than have the AI 'guess' what i'm photographing - if location is 'pisa' it cant know whether image is the tower, the cathedral or a zoom of the coat of arms on a wall, or a detail of columns or sculptures; in Nuremberg several cathedrals are visible from one place.  better to use a AI that does an image search in the first place
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Second, the AI tools Im referring to take an image as input (for ChatGPT you need a subscription or use a 3rd party tool that uses the paid API). Thus, location would merely aid it in its description and would not dictate it.
chatgpt DOES not require payment - you can use it for free directly

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The problem with all these AI tools, they don't provide the location, keywords and description about location which for me is very important, even tho the test image had the coordinates in the picture, Udream (the only one tested) didn't use any of that info to provide the location, so useless for me.

when i use chatgpt i ask for tags from my description which does include the location

The way I understood the comment, the ask is for the tool to figure out the location by itself which it can do if the image contains the gps metadata (which is more reverse geocoding than AI) or if the image is of a recognizable location.

but location alone can't tell what's in the background,esp'ly for landscapes - eg a view from a pass may be looking in any of 4 directions with different mountains to be named.

The ask was merely to obtain the location from the location metadata in the first place (in lieu of manually as you say you do).
From there, most would expect the location helps set the context for the rest of the keywords with respect to whats in the picture..
eg. A picture of a big metal tower in Paris, or a big canyon in Arizona, or a large waterfall in Zambia. With location, a good guess could be made as to what each description is referring to.

Another example would be of wildlife where almost all Id forums ask for location (and date) because different species can otherwise look identical.
but there can be different species in the same location - eg crows vs ravens, or multiple species of antelope, etc

i'd rather enter the actual information rather than have the AI 'guess' what i'm photographing - if location is 'pisa' it cant know whether image is the tower, the cathedral or a zoom of the coat of arms on a wall, or a detail of columns or sculptures; in Nuremberg several cathedrals are visible from one place.  better to use a AI that does an image search in the first place
 

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One possibility could also be to accept AI-generated images up to a smaller certain resolution, for example, 2 megapixels, and offer them at a particularly low price for mobile usage only. Since the AI images almost always generate artifacts when upscaled for higher resolutions, this would help alleviate the review process...

isn't that a review problem?  with AI competing with photos at 100%

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Hell no. It is a lot easier and much faster to take a good series of pictures and videos with a camera than to do stuff with ai.

At least for me.

true, that's why i use ai to produce images i couldn't take in RL

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The problem with all these AI tools, they don't provide the location, keywords and description about location which for me is very important, even tho the test image had the coordinates in the picture, Udream (the only one tested) didn't use any of that info to provide the location, so useless for me.

when i use chatgpt i ask for tags from my description which does include the location

The way I understood the comment, the ask is for the tool to figure out the location by itself which it can do if the image contains the gps metadata (which is more reverse geocoding than AI) or if the image is of a recognizable location.

but location alone can't tell what's in the background,esp'ly for landscapes - eg a view from a pass may be looking in any of 4 directions with different mountains to be named. 


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General Stock Discussion / Re: How to read the poll results ?
« on: March 03, 2024, 18:10 »
...It used to be that the highest was 100 and everyone else was based off that. So the new system is an average based on the factor of $5. I find the 231 for Adobe to be unusual and high. (personal opinion) ...


if i remember correctly the 100 was a value set for earnings on SS(?) and others were normalized to that. so an 80 would mean that agency was producing 20% less than that initial number -and even SS number would change

AS 231 means twice what that number - but your description about gaming the poll really makes it unusable today (and remember too, AS got only 40 votes - compared to hundreds? thousands? of active readers here

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