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Crestock.com / Re: The Incredible Shrinking Micro
« on: May 08, 2009, 07:08 »
click_click do you upload to other subscription sites?

By my calculations they all will need to down prices to Crestock level of breaking all low limits or they will stay out of business...

So, feel free to upload and get rejections on Crestock while other sites sales are down due to short midnded greedy human nature...

What an author you are... It is unbelieveable to see someone who knows to make good photos is downing his work to Crestock level... Quite sorrow I feel for all authors in just few years...

Remember my words if you continue to upload to such ripper sites!

Interesting post. And I thought Istock is ripping everyone off - that's why I'm not with them...

I get regular payments from Crestock, so I don't see the point of them being a "ripper site". There are more sites out there, that have been in business longer that pay me once a year...

As long as I get paid and also get credit sales I have no problem taking their money

Example:
It's sad that Getty bought out Jupiter bought out StockXpert. I hope they don't force StockXpert to change their commission structure to Istock's or Getty's.
Have you seen the commission structures of Getty? This is a rip off!

When RM images become target for subscription plans without even having a chance to opt out and see that your RMs are going for $1.80 a pop? That is a rip off.


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Off Topic / Re: This Weeks Photo that I won't sell
« on: May 07, 2009, 21:36 »
I figure this is as off topic as I can get. No model release, no property release, not newsworthy, closed event, trademarks and copyright. Other than that?  :D It's still fun to take them. Crop and levels, nothing else.

Nice shot. Cool if you had fun shooting it - on a site note: Others are making money selling stuff like this on Alamy. No releases required for non-news editorial.
Go get your stuff out there!

2928
General Stock Discussion / Re: DMCA and License
« on: May 07, 2009, 19:58 »
...Click,

I think a lawyer can't help here. Would he work in international cases?

What I find furstrating in these cases is that it seems to be we have little to do.  Even if you take a screen shot with the image, what happens? Someone once said that in you go to justice the penalty is proportional to the loss. You loss a sale. The infractor will not be required to pay US$1,000. Of course, this may be different if he is using the image in products or whatever that would have required an EL. A website image? I don't think so. So it's very little risk for the infractor.

Well the screen shots are just little gimmick in the whole story. Of course you can't make a case solely on a screen shot.

However, if you're quick enough and report them to the web host - AFTER they failed to bring forth proof of a license and WHILE the file is still on the server, then the web host is not up to any funny business anymore. They do take this seriously - some more, some less BUT the site will (most likely) be taken down - even if it is temporarily.

I don't have to mention what an offline web site can do to a business... Those people will think twice before they screw around with other images they just scraped off the net.

I believe you could consider this a risk for the "infringer". At least I do.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: DMCA and License
« on: May 07, 2009, 18:37 »
I've gone through this on a daily basis for the last 3 weeks with numerous web sites, hosts, registrars and companies selling products with my images on them.

Easiest way is to pay lots of $$$ for a lawyer. They will get the job done but will you be getting money back? That's a different story.

I found images of mine being sold as stickers at many places. First off, you need to figure out where the heck they got the image from. Most likely (my experience) the "infringer" will not tell you this sweet piece of information. You gotta get it yourself.

If you're exclusive good for you - if not, welcome to hell.

While Shutterstock and the like are very cooperative in such matters (time will pass though) you would have to contact all and I mean ALL the agencies you sell your images on...

As an example Crestock supposedly "does take this seriously" but I have never heard back from them after contacting the correct person at Crestock with the explicit request to inform me whether their investigation is going anywhere or not.

So, given the fact that you might not get 100% facts from your agents (I know it's sad) you will be left in a gray area where you technically and legally couldn't even act! There still remains the doubt that the "infringer" might have acquired a license from that one agency that never got back to you. So what do you do?

I don't have the $$$ for all the cases I have on my plate right now to hire a lawyer. Secondly the requirement when you want to hire a lawyer is having your copyright registered... Otherwise most lawyers will drop you like a hot potato because chances for a claim of damages will drop significantly and so will their commission if they decided to do a contingency.

This really pissed me off.

Now, being on my own (more or less - Shutterstock "investigating" - side note: Anthony does a fantastic job at this seriously) things still keep moving pretty slow. Too slow for me.

Every passing minute I see my image online for free download or on a product I get a rash between my toes.

So, I write a nice email to the webmaster/owner or whoever runs that thing asking for a license. Guess what happens?
You get an email back (if you're lucky...) with them saying (hold on tight):

"Oooooh I didn't know that this image was for sale, I downloaded it off the internet. If I would have known that it was for sale I would have paid for (I'm dying laughing...) or I bought a clipart CD and that image was on there". Needless to say that in most of such cases (of course my stuff is not on a Clipart CD for sale - der) the commercial reproduction is also not covered.

Most of the times they remove the image right there and then. Be sure to make screenshots and save the HTML code of the site before you do all this!!!!!

Now, if it comes down to that they don't present a valid license for the image in question.

1. They have to remove the image
2. You contact the web hosts for copyright infringement/copyright misrepresentation whatever . you like. You explain the web host who you are, link to the image in question at Shutterstock or wherever and make the claim. The web host will contact the owner of the site (usually) and shut them down (temporarily) until the owner either makes a counter-claim or removes the content. In my experience the site will go back online as soon as the content is removed.

Yep, the risk remains that it will happen again.

This thing is extremely frustrating, time consuming and/or expensive if you take a lawyer.

Besides, those "infringers" act like nothing happened after they took the image/s down.

Oftentimes I find a website with my image and also lots of images from other contributors. That's where it starts getting funny. I make the report to the web host. They take the site down. Owner removes image. Site goes back up. I contact another contributor whose copyright has been infringed and have him/her report the site to the web host again. So the process starts all over. Eventually the host will kick that "infringer" and they gotta setup their "shop" all over again. Gives me some satisfaction.

P.S. the term "infringer" could stand for a lot of words I'm not allowed to use here - use your imagination.

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I understand that everyone is searching for their images now instead of posting here...  ;)

I will take the liberty to post URLs of web sites that have stolen images and offer them for free download.

http://www.zastavki.com/eng/

Feel free to add sites.

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Enough is enough.

After spending weeks hunting down contributors, webmasters, web hosts and companies who distribute some of my images like free candy, I think it's time to unify the force of all people who are affected.

Everyday I sit down and research one of my images I find a MINIMUM of 5 web sites, individuals or companies who rip me off.

It's a lot (and I mean A LOT) of work to gather all necessary information before you can pursue image theft or copyright infringement and often times I come across sites that have lots of images from other fellow contributors. All I did was report them to Shutterstock because I really can't contact every single contributor - also given the fact that I have to look through their portfolios to make sure that I'm not writing to the wrong person.

I managed to temporarily shut down a few sites just because of my images but I know for sure once they remove my images and go back online that lots of your stuff will be out there - again!

I know I can't stop it from happening!

But if everyone of us invests 30 minutes a week doing some quick research we will make a huge impact. We won't get rid of it. But it will slow it down a lot!

Here are a few ideas for you to start researching your own images:

1. Use Tineye - I found aaaaaaaaaaa looooooooot of sites infringing copyright or offering my files for free download!!!! http://tineye.com/

2. Use Google or Yahoo image search. This is tedious as hell but I also found a lot of sites who ripped me off.

3. Google for rapidshare, megaupload, depositfiles, netload (AND MORE of such) portals. Use Meta-Search engines that crawl as many file sharing sites as possible. Search for simple terms "Shutterstock" or "Istock" - it will blow your mind.

4. Check out wallpaper sites or web sites with free images

If anyone has more ideas or tips and tricks please post so we can work as efficient as possible. It is affecting many of us - especially the ones who have been doing this for 3 to 5 years with big portfolios.


2932
Lighting / Flashpoint vs. Alienbees
« on: May 05, 2009, 10:47 »
I'm looking into getting a basic light setup. One or two lights. Mostly for portraits, maybe isolations of small things...

What's the specific difference between the

Flashpoint: http://www.adorama.com/FP1220A.html
and
Alienbees: http://alienbees.com/b1600.html

I don't need to know that the Alienbees has 40Ws more than the Flashpoint. Does anyone here own that Flashpoint or the Alienbees? How about customer service?

Flashpoint is cheaper, will I "feel" the lower pice compared to the Alienbees? Stupid questions, I know.

Maybe someone who got either one of them could give me some feedback.

My budget is more than limited so I might just get one for now (with stand and soft box).

Where can I get those more than human-size "reflector cards" that I always see in studios?

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Wow, good detective work, cc.
Yes, it looks like one of them. they have different model. I suppose the better mirrors are more expensive so you get less aberrations in the reflected image.
yes,  although i think it was like 5 bucks brand new.

this one is also a bit boxy, there was one that is smaller and compact much like a microscope .

Yeah chromatic aberration - I can see that. Interesting stuff.

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yes, if you're able to find an old Photo magazine of the 80's , you'll see a Spiratone ad, and the catalogue.


Is it something like this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Spiratone-Mirrotech-Reflex-Lense-for-35mm-SLR-Camera_W0QQitemZ390047607547QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLens_Accessories?hash=item5ad0a62afb&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50

it's also called "Spyware" (I made that up and find it hilarious...)  ;D

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OK, I know in saying this I am ageing myself, but at least patballard is my peer. How many of you were shooting films during the Spiratone days? Well, I sold my whole studio equipment of all format when I quit in the late 90's to travel and teach. I used to have one of those as a photo correspondent.
You know what gadget I'm talking about. The quality suffers, but it's good enough for editorials. It's a little mirror that enables you to point in the direction 45 degree from your target, so they don't think you are shooting at them. It worked really well. The thing is to find if someone has renewed on this gadget and took over the patent.
Also, not sure if this will work over a digital lens.

Wow, interesting!

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I was also thinking more along these lines...
 ::)


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...These things fly over my house everyday while in training so I guess next time I'll just set the tripod up behind a tree and photograph them from my back yard!!

Of course the military makes use of the saying "it's for protection of national security" (since they are part of national security) quite often.

Instead of verifying who you are and what your motives are they mostly just send you away or tell you to stop (it's faster). Gotta respect that since you don't wanna mess with those guys.

For less militant areas I think that PDF is a bit helpful indeed. Especially the part about being held on location against your will...

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...After that, you get about a 10 minutes grace period with your model, and then the game starts all over.




Great! Good stuff.

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...we shouldn't hijack this blog by click_click guessing the country i was talking about.

It's all good as long as people are having a good time  ;)

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... All people say when I use a tripod is "She must be a photographer!"

Yeah those are the people watching too much Columbo and COPS...  :D

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ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm sitting here laughing my "you know what" off!!!

I had recently been shooting...lol...Apachie helicopters, which practice taking off and landing right next to the road. People are always out there right next to the site photographing. One day I set up the tri pod about 3/4 of a mile up the road on private property to photograph them. Well I guess the look out helicopter must have thought the tri pod was a machine gun or something because some one from the base came down and told me to quit photographing them and leave at once (again I was on private property!) or they were going to call the MP's which would call the state troopers and they would confiscate my card.....needless to say I put the camera up..but didn't leave.


It's sad that professional photographers are pushed away from opportunities like these where you can get real "close" without being a military photographer.

Just as a side note - I came across this PDF the other day (it's a bit old) but I think it gives some of you an idea how far to go when taking pics:

http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm

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this used to happen to me regularly. then I decided to sport a lanyard with my business card in it, and no one bothers me. they seem to assume I am press, or official or something. so I wear my lanyard everytime I am out shooting.

Yeah, thought about that. The more important you look like - the more likely they leave you alone...

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click_click, if you have denture, take off your dentures, and smile alot. no one likes to look at a toothless man especially when they smile at you ! except unless a toothless woman comes by, then you're in biggggg trouble.  ;D

Sorry, don't have dentures yet - but it made me smile. Good laugh.  ;D

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hey click2, learn to fart loudly. that could drive both the birds and idiots away  :D

No need to learn (anymore)...  ;D

2945
Crestock.com / Re: The Incredible Shrinking Micro
« on: May 02, 2009, 16:54 »
Crestock has always downsized images, even when they started out. That's nothing new.

They recently reduced my 12 MP images down to small - I got them approved everywhere else - go figure. They even did that once with one of my 3D renders  ???

But if you look at it from this side: Wouldn't you rather have your file online in a small size than not at all...?

You can't argue that their subscription is lousy because all subscriptions are lousy - go to McDonalds with a sale from Shutterstock and a sale from Crestock - you won't be able to by anything with either commission. Of course the difference is the volume of sales.

Crestock always emphasized their high quality standards. While one can argue what kind of images did make it through their review queue it has to be mentioned that there is less crap on Crestock than at most other agencies (including the big ones).

That sets them apart from their competition. True though that not a lot of buyers care about that fact.

I got quite a few big credit sales lately with them so it's not all just bad. And in the end it's money too. These days you can't be picky whether you find 25 cents on the floor or if Crestock keeps earning you those amounts over months. Eventually you'll get a payout, and hey, it' gonna be 50 bucks - that'll buy you a small dinner or a night out at the movies.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Second Time Round
« on: May 02, 2009, 16:34 »
After a not very successful year on microstock I took a break for nearly a year to learn a bit more about art. Been doing some digital painting and 3D stuff. I'm back into photography again, and recently uploaded the first images in months. I'm more relaxed and more confident this time round. It will be interesting to see if I'm any more successful.

I checked your Red Bubble portfolio and your Istock portfolio.

I somehow get the feeling that you are very creative and filled with ideas but lack the technical abilities...

First off why are you only on Istock? Get your work out there. Shutterstock, Dreamstime, Fotolia and maybe Stockxpert (that may be redundant if Istock dries them out) are a must.

I don't know if you are using hot lights or if you have a monolight. In any case I'd recommend a lighting class that shows you how to work with one or two lights. There are many ways to "cheat". I often illuminated an entire room with my external flash (which lacks contrast - but got my stuff accepted). You will also find a lot of tips and tricks online.

Ask for free models. Like I said you have the ideas. Post on Craigslist or in your neighborhood that you offer free portraits on a TFP basis. See if you can talk some startup models into doing one of your concepts and doing a few portraits for them for free.

Usually beginner models are open for such bartering offers.

Oh I almost forgot - most importantly keep working on the photography and illustrations. Your skills will develop over time. Just don't take too many breaks. The more you stay on top of things the faster you will see improvements which will motivate you in return to keep going!

Best of luck!

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General Stock Discussion / Excuse me - what are you doing?
« on: May 02, 2009, 16:20 »
Don't you love it when people see you in public with a tripod, shooting away and then they walk up to you (mostly walking through the shot  >:( ) asking "Excuse me - what are you doing?"

In order to quickly get rid of those annoyances I simply answer "Ah, just taking pictures of this building/landscape" in order to sound as generic and boring as possible (this only works if you don't have a set with several lights and 3 PAs running around acting important...).

Does this happen to you as well?

I mean, why am I not randomly walking up to people asking them: "Excuse me - where are you going?" or "Excuse me - who are you talking to on your cell phone?" Why do people have to get into someone else's business?

 ???

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Got your point.
As for the birds, next time bring a shotgun , no that would get you arrested, get a starter gun or something that will create a loud noise to get the birds to go elsewhere  ;)
As for the nosey people asking you what'cha doing? Ya, a shotgun would work better  ;D

I know what you mean...

Here in the US you make yourself a lot of enemies and problems showing up with a gun or a fake one even.

I just gotta put up with the birds and the idiots...  ;D

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Lighting / Re: Projector as a backdrop?
« on: May 02, 2009, 13:58 »
I think you are pretty much talking about this: http://www.virtualbackgrounds.net/home.html

Has been done many years. Doesn't look real.

Some people like the post-cardy style...

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out there in the open, it would be difficult not to have the shadow moving. the sun moves across the earth with time. it's not like being in the city where it's easy to scout for a better lighting position to avoid this growing or subsiding shadow. don't you think?

Hey, I never said it is easy...

I'm well aware that in winter or in such cold areas you face the problem of the sun shining really low at most times of the day. Of course it is a challenge to find the best spot possible to set up the camera.

In 100% of the cases when I do a time lapse, I find an issue with it. Every time I see a problem I try to avoid it the next time. But that doesn't mean that you eliminated all problems - new ones will come and they mostly come with the location. If you don't know your location well, there is a high chance of running into an issue.

For instance, I was doing a time lapse of tourists on the beach. Perfect weather, perfect amount of people on the beach, perfect spot for camera so some idiots can't walk in front of it, asking me what . I'm doing - and guess what?

People on the beach started feeding birds. I mean what's wrong with them? You think that people go to the beach to hang out and relax but hey it seemed like everyone brought their old bread to the beach because they didn't want to throw it into the bin. It got to the point where people actually dumped half empty bags of chips just because it was "sooooo funny"...  >:(

So they started throwing crumbs onto the beach and within minutes there were hundreds of pigeons and seagulls all over the place. Try cloning those suckers out of 200 images (preserving moving clouds) out of a series of 300 pics.

Another problem was that birds are not stationary. They don't just land, eat and go straight up in the air. No, they have to fly half a mile down the beach to tell their buddies that there is food and then come back. So the entire beach (and it was a big one) was filled with flocks of birds.

My session was over.

All I'm saying is that sometime you simply have no control over the circumstances. I'm not saying that the OP was lazy by not considering the shadows.
Probably most buyers don't give a rat's ass if there are shadows or not. I'm just pin pointing little details that might enhance the overall quality.

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