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701
« on: February 09, 2019, 13:44 »
I often find adobe starts the month better but Shutterstock have always overtaken them by the month end its happening this month so far. Its been close but not yet beaten SS the gap is narrowing though.
702
« on: January 23, 2019, 09:07 »
by the way i had hundreds of photos in unfinished and some in pending...now they are 0 and 0....considering my ads connection is slow as hell is not a bad thing.
You and a load of other photographers no word as yet on a fix.
703
« on: January 23, 2019, 08:51 »
The last I knew, they hired people that worked via telecommuting from all over the US (or world), so yes, they would be independent contractors working from home who got paid X amount of cents per image, which they agreed to up front. If SS actually has 1000+ employees working in an office or warehouse somewhere, being supervised and being treated like slaves, then that is a new thing, and they should go down.
I assume the vast majority are indeed working from home (using state of the art monitors ;-). The issue is though whether the nature of their contract means they should be classed as employees regardless of location. In the UK for example there have been a number of cases where it was deemed "contractors" were actually employees. I guess this is going to vary a lot from nation to nation and their employment law. However you look at it that number of inspectors who would need supervisors and other support such as Payroll represents a big overhead.
704
« on: January 23, 2019, 08:33 »
What a classy outfit. 
No wonder reviewing has gone down the tubes
It must be a horrible job to do full time that will drive you crazy in a short time. So if we are to believe that all images are reviewed currently they are getting about 200,000 submissions daily so 1,000 reviewers required each day. So assuming they allow such luxuries as leave/weekends that must be about 1,200 Full Time Equivalent reviewers h'mmmm.
Seems about right, it says 1001-5000 employees here:
https://www.glassdoor.com/Overview/Working-at-Shutterstock-EI_IE270840.11,23.htm
25% of the workforce inspectors? Possible I suppose it seems an awfully expensive overhead. Here's an idea introduce a stringent application process to become a contributor and you could reduce the cost of inspecting useless images ;-). Actually my figures are wrong as it assumes 100% acceptance ;-).
705
« on: January 23, 2019, 06:55 »
What a classy outfit.
No wonder reviewing has gone down the tubes
It must be a horrible job to do full time that will drive you crazy in a short time. So if we are to believe that all images are reviewed currently they are getting about 200,000 submissions daily so 1,000 reviewers required each day. So assuming they allow such luxuries as leave/weekends that must be about 1,200 Full Time Equivalent reviewers h'mmmm.
706
« on: January 21, 2019, 14:17 »
Yes printed and scanned. Every agency has different standards Alamy are super strict even the tiniest body part tends to need a release.
707
« on: January 21, 2019, 10:28 »
i'm not talking about us i'am talking about the big photographer with photos sold in gallery for thousand of dollar which works is stolen by some indian idiot and resold in sss...i mean this is another level of problem...soon will have salgado work in ss?
or the famous kiss of cartier bresson with a great description
"jim and kelly loves to kiss in black and white"
If they make thousands I doub't they'd be troubled enough to worry about a few "knock offs" on Shutterstock and if its a noted photo SS would soon take it down. The problem is with the fairly average decent selling stuff.
708
« on: January 21, 2019, 04:41 »
i don't know if i am wrong or not, but ss in my opinion could face a jury trial for misconduct...if i find my images sold by some other contributor be sure i will see if i can move against ss...they are selling something against the rule and contracts i signed...for sure theft are going much further
https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/elephant-forest-1211469475?src=BGwqzCGGTdSjRtcncjs-1g-6-39
using such a famous and bestseller image is not like using a * snapshots of some unnow people in sss...i email david of this...who know if he react legally against ss...
I do think SS can be sued by the contributor in this case, but that would probably mean that the contributor won't be able to work with them ever again. SS clearly has the tools to find thieves, as images appear in 'similar images' for everyone to see, and by not using these tools to find and ban thieves, they are allowing these thieves to illegally resell a contributor's work through their platform.
They might even be eligible for a class action lawsuit, since I'm guessing more than 40 contributors have had their work stolen and resold through them.  Hopefully the sooner they realise that and the sooner they will take action against thieves.
I would imagine there would be possible case for negligence how much it might cost and the chances of success I don't know and I doubt it will ever happen. Sadly theft of "stuff" on the internet is widely accepted as a cost of doing business.
709
« on: January 19, 2019, 10:12 »
If you want to sell products with your images then "Print on Demand" sites (POD) such as Zazzle. If you are really good then your own site maybe but for that your work needs to be truly excellent and you will need to do lots of marketing to get noticed.
710
« on: January 19, 2019, 04:47 »
Well its the weekend now.........
711
« on: January 19, 2019, 02:56 »
Can't load the page either
Just the wheel of death
Perhaps we can have a whip round and get the company hamster some high protein food?
712
« on: January 19, 2019, 01:56 »
ms is long term -- review times, like rpi, are meaningless metrics
which would you prefer
Site A with review time of Y days and sales of $Z
or
site B w rt 10 x Y days and 5 x Z ??
A few years back you tended to wait longer and get more rejections. Those reviews though were consistent and helpful. Consistency and quality control are more important. Adobe probably win but none of the reviews are much use now. The experience of being knocked back improved my photography and earning in the long run.
713
« on: January 19, 2019, 01:51 »
Took a while to upload marginal improvement on Dec 2017.
714
« on: January 18, 2019, 17:14 »
So no worth to join them? Never heard this place before.
For me to be honest no. I think its one of those sites that works well for those with the right content. The Upload/Tagging process is horrible and time consuming. But try it out its the only way to know if it works for you.
Upload only the ones you think might be accepted based on their style. Keywording is not as bad since Getty actually destroys it after selection lol. It is also useful to follow ideas and inspiration. I like their app, it's the only one good looking. I prefer EyeEm over 500px to access to Getty.
Every other site I can upload the metadata from the JPG for Eyeem I have to enter each word individually. I can't even copy and paste a block of text. Or have I missed something?
715
« on: January 18, 2019, 16:57 »
So no worth to join them? Never heard this place before.
For me to be honest no. I think its one of those sites that works well for those with the right content. The Upload/Tagging process is horrible and time consuming. But try it out its the only way to know if it works for you.
716
« on: January 18, 2019, 16:40 »
I have images on EyeEm. About half of my images are on EyeEm and the other half are on the EyeEm partners. It seems for me the only sales I get are from the partners. I have never had any sales on the EyeEm only. The sales are fairly good on the partner sites.
Ok - but I am at Alamy and Adobe. Wonder how you get at EyeEm ... lets see what happens ...
As far as I know, they only use Getty even if they say those partners. Anyone actually know if they have EyeEm pictures in alamy or AS?
I don't have much there but the only partner I've ever been notified I have an image on is Getty
717
« on: January 18, 2019, 10:24 »
...I have now my first photo live on Getty and as you said they totally ruined metadata. They put traditional roof clay girls as stacked wood trunks ( ?). Can I change that? ...
You could ask, but I very much doubt you'd get a change.
Most of the problem is Getty's Controlled Vocabulary. Terms - particularly places, but other specialized terms - aren't in the CV. While I was active with the old iStock we would go round and round over this and attempts to expand the CV. When it was expanded (not often) it was a desperately slow process.
There are two schools of thought about having a controlled vocabulary. One is that it is the company's crown jewels and the other is that it's a dinosaur supplanted by sophisticated search engines like Google's. If Getty could at least try to make it more dynamic and keep it up to date, it might help, but as they've been so burdened by debt over the last several years they've been more running in place than innovating.
In my past life Librarian's and "Information Scientists" loved their controlled vocabulary as it appealed to their sense of order and control as well as their self esteem no doubt . To us non-experts on the side lines without their deep knowledge of the subject it was obvious that Google searching "chaotic" data won hands down in the real world.
718
« on: January 18, 2019, 09:30 »
Also - reading your notes - you are "lucky" in a way that you already have an established clientelle.
If you have clients "looking" for your work - then yes - it makes sense for you to direct them to your website. You'll take more home.
It would have been better to develop a one-time payment wordpress plugin as opposed to shopify. I know the recurring income is 'nice' - but again - getting people to buy it/use it is an entirely different thing. Plus - you have more control of your data - whereas there are some issues with using shopify as an intermediary. Also - there are already a lot of 'photo' wordpress templates readily available, for $25-$50 as a 'one-time' fee (as opposed to $25/MONTH), which are also a *lot* easier to set up than shopify's interface.
I would make an educated guess that most of the stock photographers here not only have never seen the inside of a studio (or even ever owned one) - but simply work from home. I believe most don't have an established clientelle familiar with their work.
Good luck though, but I believe you have your work cut out for you.
To be clear thats where my 25% comment came from...its not just about promoting the site on the web its building your "brand" networking, getting noticed, talked about, sought after etc etc. That's as big a skill (at least) as being a good photographer.
719
« on: January 18, 2019, 05:55 »
The platform can be the most excellent out there, but in order to self-host, people need to understand that a huge marketing/advertising effort is required to bring customers to the site. Just because you build it, and the photographer builds it, doesnt mean they will come. I dont think photographers are looking to showcase their work...I am pretty sure most want sales. I tried three different platforms while I was knee deep into microstock. I spent so much time working on the site and finding ways to sell the images, there was no time to actually do what I enjoyed...taking photographs. Sure, there will be some who can afford to hire someone to do the website crap while they shoot, but not sure that represents the majority. But all the best to those who try.
Shutterstock spend 25%+ of their income on marketing if you have your own site you need to spend a similar amount of your time on this.
720
« on: January 17, 2019, 07:45 »
I don't worry about what I can't control, I focus on what I can do.
That's a good philosophy but what you choose to do can be influenced by what you think will happen. For example I am less likely now to go out and buy new equipment or hire expensive models than I was 5 years ago. So I think its worth considering future demand/market trends and reacting to them. I'm not sure though the effects of an economic downturn unless its huge is one of the most significant factors.
721
« on: January 17, 2019, 03:30 »
The Nikon "Entry Level" cameras are very good and if it has the features you need great value.
722
« on: January 17, 2019, 03:17 »
Another factor here is their policy on resubmitting rejected images. In the past you needed to be careful not to do this too often or you could be in trouble. Now it seems they actively encourage it.
I believe their theory is that "intelligent" search technology means the dross is not presented to buyers too much. Probably an unproven theory at best.
The problem they have created for themselves is that the sheer volume of submissions must make Inspection almost unmanageable with vast numbers of images inspected that are not approved or even if they are very unlikely to sell. I suspect many images are "waved through". Along with this they have a vast number of naive contributors requiring lots of support for even the most basic questions....hence the need to outsource customer service.
I also think its a pretty cynical ploy to give to people in poorer countries the impression that by uploading a couple of dozen phone pics they are going to make serious money.
723
« on: January 16, 2019, 10:25 »
Isn't that one of the justifications that the Alamy boss mentioned for dropping our income 20% (brexit, slowdown...). So, in effect, we're already feeling the downturn.
It was a justification....not the reason though
724
« on: January 16, 2019, 09:34 »
Really useful tool
725
« on: January 16, 2019, 04:18 »
by the way how is youjanuary....?
last year was my best month an so far i had more than 350 download in ss and near 120 in istock....we are at 120 in ss and 21 in stock.....everything is falling down seems.
i thought holiday were still on till last weekend but today is still pretty slow, practically only best seller with good position sells. don't know what to thug but i had other hopes for this 2019
and in that 350 there were two 79 dollar a bunch of 44....now the max is a bunch of 2,85 the rest subs....
for me those unsplash and pixel free are simply killing this business.
BTW why those websites exist? Like who pay for those to exist?
My January is going okay.
Well Unsplash is apparently making money from investors, 'building a new economy around photography in blockchain', probably raising more money for themselves and not caring about their community or photography.
https://medium.com/unsplash/we-just-raised-7-25-million-for-unsplash-to-build-a-new-economy-around-photography-cedc8a999239
The other ones with ads on their site I guess.
Maybe if we start uploading millions of similar background images with irrelevant keywords on these free websites, people won't be able to find anything and will stop using them. Just an idea 
Still I don't understand. The ads in the other sites make sense but unsplash is ad free so how exactly...? Anyways good idea 
I wonder if the "Investors" know how they will get a return or did they just see the words "blockchain" "new economy" and buy into the dream!
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