Quote from: ribtoks on April 05, 2023, 10:02
Hey folks

A bit overdue, but finally I got to write a long blogpost about everything you can do today with generative AI in the context, useful for microstock contributors.

One spoiler quote:

QuoteWhen was the last time you got a 40% productivity boost from using any tool the money can buy?

(yes, you might not get replaced during the next couple of years)


Let me know what do you think about this: https://xpiksapp.com/blog/generative-ai-microstock/

Cheers

Thank you very much for your quite interesting post!
The first impression is of an exhaustive and very well balanced article - now give me time to read it and appreciate it thoroughly

But I'm afraid that to some people here it will be like preaching to the windmills: they are set on mourning and mourning they will till their last breath

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on March 26, 2023, 11:36

Quote from: gameover on March 26, 2023, 10:43
Her Ugliness, there are few things more squalid and pathetic than explaining a joke to someone who missed the punchline. Do you really want me to do that, or would you rather give it another go?

RalfLiebhold, I'm afraid you missed a slight hepatomegalia, an asymmetric sphenoid, the navel being displaced a quarter of an inch to the right and, worse still, the split corpus callosum causing her somewhat lost expression.
Oh, and I assumed that the supernumerary fing... erh, cuban cigar was the parasol handle, poor me! 

I usually spend quite some time and toil on Photoshop to remove/correct those AI's hiccups (and that's probably why my works are rather well-accepted and profitable), but in this case it would have been worse than straightening the Leaning Tower of Pisa... 

Stopped looking after 6 errors, I'm sure there's more screwed up 

It may be because you don't necessarily know each other very well in a forum like this and actually have to admit that I missed the joke behind it too.
That reassures me because I really like your posts and examples on the subject so far.

Also, I must confess that it took me an alarmingly long time to register the third arm. Somehow you don't expect something like that.

Speaking of confessions, I will admit that for quite a while I missed the third arm myself, enthralled as I was by so natural and elegant a pose.... as I realized it, I burst out laughing. So I thought to share the image to see how others reacted to it.
I'm happy to find out that I'm not alone 

Her Ugliness, there are few things more squalid and pathetic than explaining a joke to someone who missed the punchline. Do you really want me to do that, or would you rather give it another go?

RalfLiebhold, I'm afraid you missed a slight hepatomegalia, an asymmetric sphenoid, the navel being displaced a quarter of an inch to the right and, worse still, the split corpus callosum causing her somewhat lost expression.
Oh, and I assumed that the supernumerary fing... erh, cuban cigar was the parasol handle, poor me! 

I usually spend quite some time and toil on Photoshop to remove/correct those AI's hiccups (and that's probably why my works are rather well-accepted and profitable), but in this case it would have been worse than straightening the Leaning Tower of Pisa... 

Another astounding image from Midjourney v5



The fingers are not all that bad (maybe the little finger of the second right hand is a bit too long), but there is something casually alien here...anyway nothing that Photoshop with a bit of skill cannot take care of   

Quote from: SVH on March 25, 2023, 17:31

Quote from: gameover on March 25, 2023, 11:34
A nice surprise this morning: 4 sales for a $694.22 total (gross), 40% mine. First time it happens all in one day (Champagne !!!) 
SS would give me $0.40 and keep the rest

Nice, congrats! Good start of the weekend

Thank you! A good start indeed   

Quote from: DiscreetDuck on March 25, 2023, 18:40

Quote from: gameover on March 25, 2023, 11:47
Sure! And Julius Caesar said "I don't want a Rolls-Royce, a Fiat is enough for me!" - google for it long enough and you'll certainly find something like that 

The birth of artificial intelligence 1952–1956
The IBM 702: a computer used by the first generation of AI researchers.
In the 1940s and 50s, a handful of scientists from a variety of fields (mathematics, psychology, engineering, economics and political science) began to discuss the possibility of creating an artificial brain. The field of artificial intelligence research was founded as an academic discipline in 1956.[49]
49. "Kaplan Andreas, Artificial Intelligence, Business and Civilization - Our Fate Made in Machines". Retrieved 11 March 2022.

Albert Einstein: born 1879, death 1955.

Here is for you : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_artificial_intelligence
Conceptualizing, anticipating... Yes, it exists among great people, find out!

The birth of atomic science: ca. 400 BC – (Democritus) 

Now let's afford a modicum of (human) intellective toil: dallying with the notion of artificial intelligence goes way back in the past, as confirmed even by the Source of All Wisdom and Truth you quote in your edit – BTW thank you, I found it interesting if not terribly exhaustive; should you wish to deepen the topic I'd be happy to suggest you a few good books on the subject.

The point is actually, when did the AI evolve from fantasy to speculation to serious research, and then when did it grow smart enough to pass the Turing test. While preparing my master in physics I've been playing myself with a supermarket-size IBM machine, but those remote attempts at AI would have made poor Alan Turing die laughing, had he been still alive.

Considering the level AI had attained during Einstein's life, as a wise man he could have said perhaps "Artificial Intelligence will never be a match for natural stupidity", in the future tense.

But, alas, according to a number of reliable sources he didn't. 

Quote from: Uncle Pete on March 25, 2023, 17:03

Quote from: gameover on March 25, 2023, 11:47

Quote from: DiscreetDuck on March 24, 2023, 21:52
Sorry, but I never met Einstein and I can't be sure of everything (as you are).

https://www.surfactants.net/who-said-artificial-intelligence-has-nothing-on-natural-stupidity-2/
Where you can read: "Who Said Artificial Intelligence Has Nothing On Natural Stupidity? [...]There is no definitive answer to this question, as there is no one person who can be credited with originating the saying [...] Einstein observed that artificial intelligence is no match for natural intelligence.".
We can read so many things, but I've got a limited time for fact checking.

Sure! And Julius Caesar said "I don't want a Rolls-Royce, a Fiat is enough for me!" - google for it long enough and you'll certainly find something like that 

Yeah, everything on the Internet is true? But a small fact would help: Albert Einstein did not directly engage with the concept of artificial intelligence (AI) during his lifetime. He was a physicist.

Here's what OpenAI Says about the matter. (yes I like a bit of irony in things much of the time.)

It's difficult to say exactly what Einstein would think of artificial intelligence, as he lived and worked in a time before the development of modern AI technologies. However, based on what we know about his views on science, technology, and humanity, we can speculate about some of his possible thoughts on the topic.

Einstein was known for his belief in the power of human creativity and intuition, which he saw as essential for scientific discovery. He once famously said, "Imagination is more important than knowledge." This suggests that he may have been skeptical of the idea that machines could ever fully replace human intelligence and creativity.

On the other hand, Einstein was also a strong proponent of using science and technology for the betterment of society. He was deeply concerned about the social and political implications of technological advancements, and he believed that scientists had a responsibility to use their knowledge and skills for the good of humanity.

Given these views, it's possible that Einstein would have been both fascinated by and cautious about the development of artificial intelligence. He may have seen the potential benefits of AI for solving complex problems and advancing scientific understanding, but he may also have been concerned about the ethical and societal implications of creating machines that can think and learn on their own.

Overall, while we can't know for certain what Einstein would have thought about AI, we can speculate that he would have approached the topic with a careful balance of curiosity and caution, with a keen eye toward ensuring that these new technologies are used in a way that benefits society as a whole. ChatGTP

Fair enough? Balance and caution, and how would AI effect individual people and society?




"The measure of intelligence is the ability to change."
― Albert Einstein

In 1977, Ken Olsen, founder of the Digital Equipment Corporation, said, "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."

"The development of full artificial intelligence could spell the end of the human race." Stephen Hawking

I say adapt and change, learn to embrace and use new technology to our benefit.

Last of all:

The fear has sometimes been expressed that photography would in time entirely supersede the art of painting. Some people seem to think that when the process of taking photographs in colors has been perfected and made common enough, the painter will have nothing more to do.  Henrietta Clopath 1901

"that refined feeling and sentiment which animate the productions of a man of genius," Photography is missing "invention and feeling constitute essential qualities in a work of Art," and Photography couldn't qualify as an art in its own right, the explanation went, because it lacked "something beyond mere mechanism at the bottom of it." Photography was viewed as merely as a thoughtless mechanism for replication.

Sounds like some of the criticism of AI lacking the human element?

👏 👏 👏

Do you find chatGPT nice too?

Quote from: DiscreetDuck on March 24, 2023, 21:52
Sorry, but I never met Einstein and I can't be sure of everything (as you are).

https://www.surfactants.net/who-said-artificial-intelligence-has-nothing-on-natural-stupidity-2/
Where you can read: "Who Said Artificial Intelligence Has Nothing On Natural Stupidity? [...]There is no definitive answer to this question, as there is no one person who can be credited with originating the saying [...] Einstein observed that artificial intelligence is no match for natural intelligence.".
We can read so many things, but I've got a limited time for fact checking.

Sure! And Julius Caesar said "I don't want a Rolls-Royce, a Fiat is enough for me!" - google for it long enough and you'll certainly find something like that 

A nice surprise this morning: 4 sales for a $694.22 total (gross), 40% mine. First time it happens all in one day (Champagne !!!) 
SS would give me $0.40 and keep the rest

Quote from: DiscreetDuck on March 24, 2023, 19:56

Quote from: Uncle Pete on March 21, 2023, 15:59
[...] And if you want an Einstein quote for that, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

OH, Einstein is a so good choice!!
Sorry but please, don't show a drop when you speak about ocean!! And your choice was so empty!!
Here are the quotes I prefer from him, more representative content, gameover will (I hope) continue to enjoy:

♥ "Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity"
♥ "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift."
♥ "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds."
♥ "We are slowed down sound and light waves, a walking bundle of frequencies tuned into the cosmos. We are souls dressed up in sacred biochemical garments and our bodies are the instruments through which our souls play their music."
♥ "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity."
♥ "Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal."
♥ "One day the machines will be able to solve all the problems, but none of them will ever be able to pose one."
♥ "The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything."
♥ "In order to be an immaculate member of a flock of sheep, one must above all, be a sheep."
♥ "A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it."
♥ "The possession of marvellous means of production has brought care and hunger instead of freedom"
♥ "Don't listen to the person who has the answers; listen to the person who has the questions."
♥ "Force always attracts men of low morality."
♥ "Everything you can imagine, nature has already created."
♥ "I never made one of my discoveries through the process of rational thinking"
♥ "Nothing causes more consternation in a group of hypocrits than one honest man."

So funny that you started with a quote that is not from Einstein -- but no one is perfect
Besides, I'm afraid that your spell-checker needs some dusting...

Be it as it may, I'm a little unclear if you're quoting Einstein in your favor or against yourself - brilliant quotes are a double-edged sword, you know... mmmh, who said it?  

Quote from: Uncle Pete on March 24, 2023, 15:47

Quote from: SVH on March 23, 2023, 18:17
I think it's perfect!

More cheese, more cheese, dripping ricotta! 

Ricotta??? Béchamel !!!

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Quote from: gameover on March 19, 2023, 11:59
However his hat is very fiftyish and the car in the background is terribly realistic too

The way the guy holds the gun is hilarious 
I wish I could have such an expert knowledge about producing such images.
But you could make the day of more than one mechanic...
AI is beyond you, right? And your expert eye saw nothing bad here???
Is there no risk of losing common sense with AI?

I only see something "terribly realistic" here, but it's not regarding the image itself.

Can't see the original image just the old car?

follow the link please, you can see my comment too
https://luisafumi-digitalart.com/blog/2023/03/19/midjourney-v5-is-here/

Quote from: Uncle Pete on March 21, 2023, 16:57

Quote from: gameover on March 21, 2023, 16:47

Quote from: Uncle Pete on March 21, 2023, 15:59

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Quote from: DiscreetDuck on March 21, 2023, 10:48
Gameover is for me, since english is not the language for my native and living country. Your answer clearly shows that the understanding of my speech is not there, it does not matter. And you would like to teach me? But what do you know of my knowledge? You're assuming I'm ignorant? but I leave you the right to live in the imagination that suits you. See, here you are creative!
There is less creativity than recycling with the AI. But well, maybe it's good for the planet, who knows... 

Well, I'm no native English speaker either, I just strive to make myself understood - it's easy enough, just try 
You have an advantage over me: all I know about you is what I can guess from your posts. And yes, judging by them it seems to me that occasionally you might profit from a bit of elucidation...
However you too seem to have a lot of imagination, in particular while spotting black cats which aren't there in a dark room at midnight (I think it was Darwin who coined it) 

Well that's a good one, because I'm sure everyone here is against this, but just because we didn't jump up and say so, someone else shouldn't assume, we aren't against AI removing watermarks or thieves. And if you want an Einstein quote for that, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

Just because we didn't join in to the DescreetDuck Discussion, don't mean anyone here supports image theft.

Many different sources and authors and not absolute, reliable answer.

"Theology
A blind man in a dark room searching for a black cat which isn't there — and finding it."

I love your wise composed posts, sort of find them balmy 

First time I run into your quote from Einstein - just GREAT!!!

I was abducted by aliens at a very young age, but not finding any intelligent life, they sent me back, only slightly modified. I'm still trying to assimilate with Earthlings and learn the ways here. I'm adapting to how people on this planet intake consumables. You get the Point? 

perfectly 



(AI generated - not for human consumption)

Quote from: DiscreetDuck on March 21, 2023, 11:06

Quote from: gameover on March 19, 2023, 11:59
on my blog some considerations


https://luisafumi-digitalart.com/blog/2023/03/19/midjourney-v5-is-here/

Especially good if you like monsters... 
These images always smell fake, but we need a nose to feel it.

do you like these fingers better?

Quote from: Uncle Pete on March 21, 2023, 15:59

Quote from: gameover on March 21, 2023, 15:08

Quote from: DiscreetDuck on March 21, 2023, 10:48
Gameover is for me, since english is not the language for my native and living country. Your answer clearly shows that the understanding of my speech is not there, it does not matter. And you would like to teach me? But what do you know of my knowledge? You're assuming I'm ignorant? but I leave you the right to live in the imagination that suits you. See, here you are creative!
There is less creativity than recycling with the AI. But well, maybe it's good for the planet, who knows... 

Well, I'm no native English speaker either, I just strive to make myself understood - it's easy enough, just try 
You have an advantage over me: all I know about you is what I can guess from your posts. And yes, judging by them it seems to me that occasionally you might profit from a bit of elucidation...
However you too seem to have a lot of imagination, in particular while spotting black cats which aren't there in a dark room at midnight (I think it was Darwin who coined it) 

Well that's a good one, because I'm sure everyone here is against this, but just because we didn't jump up and say so, someone else shouldn't assume, we aren't against AI removing watermarks or thieves. And if you want an Einstein quote for that, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

Just because we didn't join in to the DescreetDuck Discussion, don't mean anyone here supports image theft.

Many different sources and authors and not absolute, reliable answer.

"Theology
A blind man in a dark room searching for a black cat which isn't there — and finding it."

I love your wise composed posts, sort of find them balmy 

First time I run into your quote from Einstein - just GREAT!!!

Quote from: DiscreetDuck on March 21, 2023, 10:48
Gameover is for me, since english is not the language for my native and living country. Your answer clearly shows that the understanding of my speech is not there, it does not matter. And you would like to teach me? But what do you know of my knowledge? You're assuming I'm ignorant? but I leave you the right to live in the imagination that suits you. See, here you are creative!
There is less creativity than recycling with the AI. But well, maybe it's good for the planet, who knows... 

Well, I'm no native English speaker either, I just strive to make myself understood - it's easy enough, just try 
You have an advantage over me: all I know about you is what I can guess from your posts. And yes, judging by them it seems to me that occasionally you might profit from a bit of elucidation...
However you too seem to have a lot of imagination, in particular while spotting black cats which aren't there in a dark room at midnight (I think it was Darwin who coined it) 

Quote from: DiscreetDuck on March 21, 2023, 08:28

Quote from: gameover on March 20, 2023, 11:53
I used these websites for test purpose to build a watermark not easy to remove. The key is that it has to merge with the design. You can use these websites to your advantage too, if you want to sell by yourself   

Gameover, You would see the advantages of dropping an atomic bomb, because it can also regulate the proliferation of bacteria...? 
Well, I am surprised, no particular reaction against this here.
My point is if you want to sell by yourself, you don't use AI to produce received images. Steal one picture, it's bad. Steal thousands like does Deep learning methods: oh, it's good... Mediocre photographers can now feel like artists thanks to AI, while destroying the incoming of traditional artists.

Hi DiscreetDuck, you might want to deepen your understanding about how deep learning works - painting the Tour Eiffel on canvas and infringing a hypothetical copyright by Eng. Gustave Eiffel are two pretty different things 
However I appreciated your sense of humor 

Quote from: MxR on March 21, 2023, 08:01
wow... butr AI sales are not to high...

edit: ugly right hand!!

Do you know that there happens to be a plastic surgery tool named Photoshop?

Quote from: Uncle Pete on March 20, 2023, 17:39

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Quote from: SVH on March 19, 2023, 20:07
That is actually a very good photo created by AI. However if I would post it, if it were an actual photo, with for example Shutterstock, it would be rejected saying it is out of focus. But maybe for AI the rules are different

I like the soft mood. I'll tell you a secret: usually at Adobe (I don't use SS anymore) I write "soft focus" along to the description of my own photos and they are approved 

I'm not going to pay for this kind of thing, but I think you have done some nice work and created not only a very useful quality image, but I'm sure created prompts that produced these results.

Yes I am amazed at the quality and realism of the image.

Thank you 

Quote from: DiscreetDuck on March 20, 2023, 10:07
-https://www.watermarkremover.io/-

AI, will always be there for the good of all...   

« [...] WatermarkRemover.io is an AI-powered tool that automatically removes translucent watermarks from images in a matter of seconds. We allow people from all over the world to benefit from the strength of our product for both personal and professional purposes. [...]
[...] Yes, WatermarkRemover.io is completely free for images processed on our website for personal use [...]
[...] Users of this app are solely responsible for any claims, damages, cost, expenses, suits, etc. brought by any third party pertaining to the usage of the resulting images with the watermarks removed. [...] »

I used these websites for test purpose to build a watermark not easy to remove. The key is that it has to merge with the design. You can use these websites to your advantage too, if you want to sell by yourself   

Quote from: SVH on March 19, 2023, 20:07
That is actually a very good photo created by AI. However if I would post it, if it were an actual photo, with for example Shutterstock, it would be rejected saying it is out of focus. But maybe for AI the rules are different

I like the soft mood. I'll tell you a secret: usually at Adobe (I don't use SS anymore) I write "soft focus" along to the description of my own photos and they are approved 

 on my blog some considerations


https://luisafumi-digitalart.com/blog/2023/03/19/midjourney-v5-is-here/

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Quote from: Reimar on February 10, 2023, 18:59
I was trying to get DALL-E to generate a photo of a Ukranian soldier firing a bazooka at a Russian tank in winter.  All efforts and variations in wording produced totally unusable results.  Even with a lot of fixing up, I can't see sending results to a stock site.

just try doing something more peaceful and you will succeed 

Yes, you should try to simulate the invading Russian army withdrawing from Ukraine, after its teritorial integrity is restored.


That would be a very peaceful image!

And hopefuly, it might even become a best seller this year! 

👏 👏

Quote from: derby on July 09, 2022, 08:47

Quote from: cascoly on July 09, 2022, 00:25
overly simplistic -- if you're running a business and your concerns are "not all about money and percentage", you're not going to be in business very long!  as a business i choose WS because they save my business time & energy & my net income is higher

I understand your answer and my opinion was of course only my point of view

What I would like to underline is that in general, in any business, in middle and long term, you have to be ready to change your mind, to react to external move, to adapt your offer to the market. Giving all to an external agent is big limitation on any future change.
Of course is up to you to define your business but I can't remember a good business story with someone that gives all the business choices to someone else.
I wasn't talking simply about money and percentage, not at all!
This is only my opinion

I give my opinion too:
I was only few months at wirestock and closed my account for:
-quite poor keywording
-not my name on the images
-no way to delete any image from my account.
I don't miss them.

Quote from: Her Ugliness on February 07, 2023, 09:03

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on February 07, 2023, 08:26

Quote from: Her Ugliness on February 06, 2023, 13:54

Quote from: Schadenfreude on February 06, 2023, 13:20
"StockAI is shutting down

StockAI will shut down on February 25th, 2023. Please backup any data and use remaining credits before then."

That was... fast.

Probably got a letter from Getty or similar

Accordin to his twitter it simply wasn't doing as well as he had hoped. Can't say I feel sorry for him. It didn't look like he actually looked at the images and bothered to correct the content he created with the AI, just put ever monstrosity the AI threw at him into his database.

Most likely StockAI had to close down because they were too far ahead of time.

The day will come when an AI will be able to churn out images perfectly matching the human client's wishes, but that day will still have to wait for quite a while.
For the time being the AI's seem to have have a rather poor perception of reality, as this funny answer of ChatGPC may elucidate:

Q: How should I wash the tentacles of a newborn baby?

A: To wash a newborn's tentacles, you should first make sure the water is warm, not hot. Gently clean the tentacles with a mild, unscented baby soap and a soft cloth or sponge. Rinse thoroughly to remove all soap residue. Be careful not to rub or tug on the tentacles, as they are delicate. After washing, gently pat the tentacles dry with a soft towel. It's recommended to do this process with one hand supporting the head and neck of the baby for safety.





That's probably why my AI-generated / human-commonsensed images keep selling well on the agencies as well as on my site.
And no dear troll, that's no easy job. Try to believe.