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« on: March 21, 2023, 11:47 »
Gameover is for me, since english is not the language for my native and living country. Your answer clearly shows that the understanding of my speech is not there, it does not matter. And you would like to teach me? But what do you know of my knowledge? You're assuming I'm ignorant? but I leave you the right to live in the imagination that suits you. See, here you are creative!  
There is less creativity than recycling with the AI. But well, maybe it's good for the planet, who knows... 
Well, I'm no native English speaker either, I just strive to make myself understood - it's easy enough, just try
You have an advantage over me: all I know about you is what I can guess from your posts. And yes, judging by them it seems to me that occasionally you might profit from a bit of elucidation...
However you too seem to have a lot of imagination, in particular while spotting black cats which aren't there in a dark room at midnight (I think it was Darwin who coined it)
Well that's a good one, because I'm sure everyone here is against this, but just because we didn't jump up and say so, someone else shouldn't assume, we aren't against AI removing watermarks or thieves. And if you want an Einstein quote for that, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."
Just because we didn't join in to the DescreetDuck Discussion, don't mean anyone here supports image theft.
Many different sources and authors and not absolute, reliable answer.
"Theology
A blind man in a dark room searching for a black cat which isnt there and finding it."
I love your wise composed posts, sort of find them balmy  First time I run into your quote from Einstein - just GREAT!!! 
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« on: March 21, 2023, 10:08 »
Gameover is for me, since english is not the language for my native and living country. Your answer clearly shows that the understanding of my speech is not there, it does not matter. And you would like to teach me? But what do you know of my knowledge? You're assuming I'm ignorant? but I leave you the right to live in the imagination that suits you. See, here you are creative!
There is less creativity than recycling with the AI. But well, maybe it's good for the planet, who knows...
Well, I'm no native English speaker either, I just strive to make myself understood - it's easy enough, just try You have an advantage over me: all I know about you is what I can guess from your posts. And yes, judging by them it seems to me that occasionally you might profit from a bit of elucidation... However you too seem to have a lot of imagination, in particular while spotting black cats which aren't there in a dark room at midnight (I think it was Darwin who coined it)
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« on: March 21, 2023, 04:19 »
I used these websites for test purpose to build a watermark not easy to remove. The key is that it has to merge with the design. You can use these websites to your advantage too, if you want to sell by yourself
Gameover, You would see the advantages of dropping an atomic bomb, because it can also regulate the proliferation of bacteria...?
Well, I am surprised, no particular reaction against this here.
My point is if you want to sell by yourself, you don't use AI to produce received images. Steal one picture, it's bad. Steal thousands like does Deep learning methods: oh, it's good... Mediocre photographers can now feel like artists thanks to AI, while destroying the incoming of traditional artists.
Hi DiscreetDuck, you might want to deepen your understanding about how deep learning works - painting the Tour Eiffel on canvas and infringing a hypothetical copyright by Eng. Gustave Eiffel are two pretty different things However I appreciated your sense of humor
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« on: March 21, 2023, 03:49 »
wow... butr AI sales are not to high...
edit: ugly right hand!!
Do you know that there happens to be a plastic surgery tool named Photoshop?
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« on: March 20, 2023, 14:31 »
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« on: March 20, 2023, 06:53 »
-https://www.watermarkremover.io/-
AI, will always be there for the good of all... 
[...] WatermarkRemover.io is an AI-powered tool that automatically removes translucent watermarks from images in a matter of seconds. We allow people from all over the world to benefit from the strength of our product for both personal and professional purposes. [...]
[...] Yes, WatermarkRemover.io is completely free for images processed on our website for personal use [...]
[...] Users of this app are solely responsible for any claims, damages, cost, expenses, suits, etc. brought by any third party pertaining to the usage of the resulting images with the watermarks removed. [...]
I used these websites for test purpose to build a watermark not easy to remove. The key is that it has to merge with the design. You can use these websites to your advantage too, if you want to sell by yourself
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« on: March 19, 2023, 15:17 »
That is actually a very good photo created by AI. However if I would post it, if it were an actual photo, with for example Shutterstock, it would be rejected saying it is out of focus. But maybe for AI the rules are different
I like the soft mood. I'll tell you a secret: usually at Adobe (I don't use SS anymore) I write "soft focus" along to the description of my own photos and they are approved
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« on: March 19, 2023, 06:59 »
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« on: February 24, 2023, 03:58 »
I was trying to get DALL-E to generate a photo of a Ukranian soldier firing a bazooka at a Russian tank in winter. All efforts and variations in wording produced totally unusable results. Even with a lot of fixing up, I can't see sending results to a stock site.
just try doing something more peaceful and you will succeed
Yes, you should try to simulate the invading Russian army withdrawing from Ukraine, after its teritorial integrity is restored.
That would be a very peaceful image!
And hopefuly, it might even become a best seller this year!
👏 👏
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« on: February 22, 2023, 11:53 »
overly simplistic -- if you're running a business and your concerns are "not all about money and percentage", you're not going to be in business very long! as a business i choose WS because they save my business time & energy & my net income is higher
I understand your answer and my opinion was of course only my point of view
What I would like to underline is that in general, in any business, in middle and long term, you have to be ready to change your mind, to react to external move, to adapt your offer to the market. Giving all to an external agent is big limitation on any future change.
Of course is up to you to define your business but I can't remember a good business story with someone that gives all the business choices to someone else.
I wasn't talking simply about money and percentage, not at all!
This is only my opinion
I give my opinion too: I was only few months at wirestock and closed my account for: -quite poor keywording -not my name on the images -no way to delete any image from my account. I don't miss them.
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« on: February 11, 2023, 06:07 »
"StockAI is shutting down
StockAI will shut down on February 25th, 2023. Please backup any data and use remaining credits before then."
That was... fast.
Probably got a letter from Getty or similar
Accordin to his twitter it simply wasn't doing as well as he had hoped. Can't say I feel sorry for him. It didn't look like he actually looked at the images and bothered to correct the content he created with the AI, just put ever monstrosity the AI threw at him into his database.
Most likely StockAI had to close down because they were too far ahead of time. The day will come when an AI will be able to churn out images perfectly matching the human client's wishes, but that day will still have to wait for quite a while. For the time being the AI's seem to have have a rather poor perception of reality, as this funny answer of ChatGPC may elucidate: Q: How should I wash the tentacles of a newborn baby?A: To wash a newborn's tentacles, you should first make sure the water is warm, not hot. Gently clean the tentacles with a mild, unscented baby soap and a soft cloth or sponge. Rinse thoroughly to remove all soap residue. Be careful not to rub or tug on the tentacles, as they are delicate. After washing, gently pat the tentacles dry with a soft towel. It's recommended to do this process with one hand supporting the head and neck of the baby for safety.  That's probably why my AI-generated / human-commonsensed images keep selling well on the agencies as well as on my site. And no dear troll, that's no easy job. Try to believe.
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« on: January 18, 2023, 17:16 »
Adobe, over 500k AI images for sale, 99% will never be sold because there is little or no use for them. By the end of the year, following the actual trend of uploads, it will be 5 millions for sale. When do you think Adobe will start charging for uploading AI generated garbage into their portal?
your source for any of those claims?
guess i'm finally part of the 1% since my AI images have sold on AS, SS and DT
me too (in the 1%)!!!
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« on: January 18, 2023, 11:48 »
Ok so time to play game :-)
I've asked to chatGPT news and opinions about copyright issue.
I started with this post, and put exactly the same terms:
I was wondering if the AI image is just a mosaic of tiny parts of other images, or does it "paint" a new image from scratch ? For instance let's say we have a prompt where the main subject is a cat. Is it possible that an eye or nose of that cat is just taken from some photograph in the internet ?
ANSWER FROM ChatGPT:
Artificial Intelligence (AI) image generation models can use a variety of techniques to generate new images. Some models use a mosaic-like approach, where they combine small parts of existing images to create a new image. Other models, such as Generative Adversarial Networks (GANs), are trained to generate new images from scratch.
In the case of GANs, the model is trained on a large dataset of images and learns to generate new images that are similar to the ones in the training set. The model learns to understand the features and patterns of the images in the dataset, and uses that knowledge to generate new images.
In regards to your question about the cat image: It's possible that the model takes small parts of existing images and combines them to generate the cat image, but it's also possible that the model generates the cat from scratch using the knowledge it has acquired during the training stage. The specific technique used depends on the architecture of the model, the quality of the data set used for training, and the specific task the model is being used for.
It is worth mentioning that GANs and other similar models are able to generate very realistic images, but it is not always possible to know if a specific image was generated by the model or taken from a real photograph, it is quite hard to tell.
A little be boring but useful.
Then I asked:
Try to fight back against the copyright issue a lot of people claim against AI generated images. Let me know what do you think
ANSWER:
There is ongoing debate around the issue of copyright for AI generated images. Some argue that AI generated images should be considered original works and therefore eligible for copyright protection, while others argue that they should not be eligible for copyright protection because they are not created by a human.
Currently, the law on copyright for AI generated images varies by jurisdiction. In some countries, AI generated images may be considered original works and be eligible for copyright protection, while in other countries they may not be considered original works and not be eligible for copyright protection.
Additionally, it's worth mentioning that some AI generated images may include elements from existing copyrighted images, which could lead to copyright infringement issues. To avoid this, one approach could be to use images for training that are explicitly labeled as free for use, or to use images that are in the public domain or that have been licensed under a Creative Commons license.
In any case, it is important to note that the laws and regulations surrounding AI generated images and copyright are constantly evolving, and it is important to stay informed and consult legal experts when in doubt. Q: In which countries AI generated images are consiudered original works and are elegible for copyright?
he laws regarding whether AI generated images are considered original works and eligible for copyright protection vary by country. In some countries, AI generated images may be considered original works and be eligible for copyright protection, while in other countries they may not be considered original works and not be eligible for copyright protection.
In the United States, the Copyright Office has stated that works created by a machine or computer program are eligible for copyright protection if they are the result of human authorship. This means that if a human author contributes original expression to an AI-generated image, it could be eligible for copyright protection.
In the European Union, the Directive on Copyright in the Digital Single Market has established that a work is eligible for copyright protection as long as it is an original expression of the author's own intellectual creation. However, it is not clear whether this applies to AI generated works and it's still not clear how EU courts will interpret this.
In Canada, the Supreme Court has ruled that computer-generated works are eligible for copyright protection as long as they are original.
It is important to note that laws and regulations surrounding AI generated images and copyright are constantly evolving, and it is important to stay informed and consult legal experts when in doubt.
Interesting! Or not?
At least, ChatGPT seems to be quite neutral 
Astonishing!Not so much that the answers remind pretty closely of the good old "My answer is maybe, and that's final!", as because they suggest that an AI can be way less biased and more honest than a human...
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« on: January 18, 2023, 07:43 »
Inspiration means that we humans see, read or hear someone else's work and then we are mentally stimulated by what we see or hear.
I'm glad to see that you agree with me: that's what we humans do - and what the AI manages to simulate pretty well. BTW, you mention a minor (if pleasantly profitable) niche of my work. I suggest that you take a quick look at the rest.
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« on: January 18, 2023, 05:58 »
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« on: January 14, 2023, 07:56 »
Wonderful, Adobe & Mat! This new policy is totally in line with abolishing the bonus code for 2023. Screw human artists! Bring on the robots!
I don't think I'll bother with photography any more. I'll get an army of robots and train them to blab text commands to robotic AI software night and day. These smart robots will vacuum pics generated by other robots, re-order pixels and create brilliant new pictures. (some say that's crap but they're only jealous, and live under a rock or something) Soon I'll have a portfolio of 100 Million brilliant AI images on Adobe Stock. I will be so rich! I will buy a villa in some place tropical, heck, I will buy an island of my own! I will buy a luxury plane that makes royalty, presidents and celebs jealous!
Thank you Adobe, you made my day. Screw artists, Robots are our future.
I'm old enough to remeber quite similar comments in the 90's when digital cameras comes out for large consumer audience.
Using these words means you've really never tested the AI tools. It's super exciting; but it's absolutely not easy to generate real good images.
It's not easy to use.
It costs money and it costs a lot of time.
It's relatively easy to produce in random way some incredible images, but it's abosultely hard to manage the tool to produce series of images with steady style.
Of course it will be easier in the next future; and it will become also cheaper.
But, as for photography, you always have to start from a good idea, and you also need cultural, and technical, skills.
Back to Adobe: I think at the contrary that giving contributors the option to produce (and sell!) AI images is a great opportunities to partecipate in production; at the opposite, other agencies like SS seems that will cut contributors, pushing their clients to produce images by ourselves. In my opinion this last way is absolutely wrong, starting from the idea that anyone have clear idea and skill to create any image they need.
One last example I know very well: in movie production I come from times when editing was made with film, scissor, glue... with big pain and time lost. Digital non linear editing completely changed the game but directors always need good editor to work, also to make choices. To have a digital machine that gives you thousand option in a single second doesn't mean that you don't need human time anymore to make your decisions and choices. Machine is fast, human mind has its own timing.
Finally, AI development is impossible to stop: refusing it and complaining about AI is totally useless, it will be the next future for all of us
I totally agree, make decisions and choices is the difference
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« on: January 13, 2023, 13:09 »
Does anyone know some good resources explaing how generative AI art works ? A good start would be looking up "neural networks". I was wondering if the AI image is just a mosaic of tiny parts of other images, or does it "paint" a new image from scratch ? For instance let's say we have a prompt where the main subject is a cat. Is it possible that an eye or nose of that cat is just taken from some photograph in the internet ? No, its derived from thousands of cat eyes (or whatever) used to build up a sort of 'concept' of cat's eye, and then drawing a new one accordingly. Which also accounts pretty well for the funny notion the AI seems to have of "hand" 
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« on: January 12, 2023, 07:22 »
These were technoligical advancements that helped you in your task. AI does the art for you. It's not a tool that helps an artist, it's a replacement.
Gameover explains some points with "AI friend or foe?", on her blog with a very brief history of art.
She calls our attention to the word artificial with comes from the greek philosopher Aristotle in his Rhetoric: artificiality (the quality of being made or produced by human beings rather than occurring naturally.) - very nice!
AI is a tool (1) and cannot do "the Art for you" (2).
1) It's hard in a post to explain in detail such issue regarding onto-technologies of the body but let me try to put it in this way: AI is an extension of your body not a replacement. In the same way that you don't replace your hand with a brush, you use a brush to paint. The brush doesn't paint by itself - you need a human to do it. In AI generator you need to type and work with a prompt: sort of digital code that machine can process your request.
Henry Ward Beecher once wrote, A tool is but the extension of a mans hand, and a machine is but a complex tool. This fits here in line of scientific research into embodiment. But there's disembodiment in AI too. Which basically means that AI feeds on the output to become more efficient- it collects the data of your image to improve future Artworks. So AI is a Tool with embodiment and disembodimentfeatures.
2) AI cannot do "art" for Humans. Art is a representation or presentation of an idea in a shape/form. AI doesn't have ideas of its own, Humans do. Therefore AI cannot do Art but can be extremely efficient in drawing, playing music, etc. Best alternative is that AI it's a performer conducted by an artist. A tool to improve your Artwork just like photoshop is using with mouse and clicks interface instead of a Prompt.
A more correct comparison in advancement in technology would be for example a telephone and switchboard operators.
In my opinion that is a bad comparison because switchboard operators don't create ideas like artists. The task/job was simple connecting cables. They were a kind of cogwheel in a communication system. New technologies made it faster, better and cheaper than humans. Now we all use a Smartphone with social media.
We don't have switchboard operators anymore but how much people you think have been hired in communication companies and social media (youtube, facebook, twitter, tiktok, instagram, whatsup, signal, etc) last 20 years?
None of social media companies existed before 2004 and according to google there are 142,282 people employed in the Social Networking Sites industry in the US as of 2023. Let's not forget about UGC creators which in fact creates everyday content and get paid to feed the channel by social media, ads or product reviews...so a lot jobs here too.
I am not saying AI will replace all art, but it will certainly cause a decrease in artists when they have a harder time to make a living from art (which was already difficult before AI art!) as AI is cheaper and microstock photography and drawings are the easiest replaced by AIs and the first to go.
Things are evolving so to expect this market not to change is to stand still in time. I do agree at some point with Gameover analysis where "plenty of artists will inevitably lose their jobs as soon as their customers learn how to order a piece of art directly at the source, a skilled and most likely way cheaper AI."
I think artists that see potential of AI in their work will continue the path. I already see a lot of UGC creators with thousands of followers only doing AI too.
This week i was approached twice by NFT collectors that want to buy my AI artwork so this can be a new market too. Others will go more for news/events and street life photography (there will always be in demand since AI cannot produce reality). Companies of every kind are hiring people to deal with social media, specially creatives that can do all in one: illustrations/ Shoot photos/videos and editing them.
At the end eventually people will adapt to new reality.
excellent, well written 👏 👏
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