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General Stock Discussion / Re: Nature that sells
« on: March 27, 2008, 14:51 »
Interesting...

The way you speak of LAB it is as if you have no idea what it really is, it is a color mode, not a technique, no different than RGB or CMYK.

I fail to see why bracketing would be used.  It is useful if you shoot in auto or don't meter well, but if your cam can meter well and you shoot in manual (which I would expect that pros do), what is the point of bracketing?  I would expect a pro to be able to read the light meter reading and adjust the exposure accordingly depending on conditions and have no need to bracket, maybe take a half stop lower safe shot as well, but bracket?

Every shot is photoshopped whether it is done by the processor in the camera (.jpeg shooters), the RAW converter, or an image editing program like photoshop.  An unprocessed shot is nothing more than film in a cannister.

Photoshopped in the terms you describe seems to imply faked, as in combining multiple sources, or deleting major parts, or somehow warping the image, which neither layers (almost everybody that is any good at PS does all adjustments on their own layer) nor LAB mode implies.

And I do believe that reviewers for most sites are required to be contributers themselves.

Highly processed meat?

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123RF / Re: What to do?
« on: March 27, 2008, 10:52 »
I found the address for the owner? I believe while reading in the forum (Alex)...a start, at least I have an address of somebody that works there, so I sent my reply to him.  Lets see how long it takes to hear something back.

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123RF / What to do?
« on: March 27, 2008, 10:28 »
Thus far this site has been noting but a bug to me, nothing has worked.

When I initially signed up they send your initial password to your email.  that never happened, I tried over, and over, and over, checked every folder and filter setting in my email...nothing.  Finally after a month and dozens of attempts I contacted support, and a few days later I finally got an email from them, and not so kindly they said to check your filters and junk folder.  But it also had a password (that came right to my inbox, not in any junk folder), so I could finally actually get in to my account.

Next up, upload ID.  Used the same photo as for other sites (straight on shot of my DL).  Seemingly no problems.

Then upload at least 10.  Well I didn't have a ton of time when I was uploading so I just picked 10 of my most universally accepted, hottest sellers, and tried to upload them.  First try, failed, problem with the upload.  Tried again, it worked.

Now after a week of waiting for them to review them, I get an email telling me that they won't review them until I upload an ID????  I did this, and on the sidebar it says that my ID is uploaded.

So I try to REPLY to their email (via their own internal email) (by hitting the convenient REPLY button), type up that I have uploaded my ID, go to send, and get an error that there is no recipient. ????  So I check the box of contacts and there are no contacts, support is not there.  One would assume that the recipient would be transferred with the reply button, but that is much to easy.

So I go to the forum over there as that is the only way to maybe get a hold of anybody (barring giving support a call and waiting on hold for a week or two), and whallah, try to reply to any thread and I get pure white space, no forum typing for me.

Seriously, is this site really this bad and buggy?  Now I have no idea what to do, no address to send a reply to, and nobody will review my photos until I send that reply. 


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Shutterstock.com / Re: slow week at ss
« on: March 27, 2008, 08:35 »
I thought that it was just me (and my iddy biddy port), granted Easter just happened, but about 2 weeks ago it just died.  A good pattern had been developing, slow on Sat, Sun, pick up a bit on Mon, good day Tue, peak on
Wed, Thur, slow down on Fri (about Mon levels), then start it over.  However 2 weeks ago at started usual (to Tuesday), then the midweek peak never happened and its been chugging along pretty slow ever since, less than half of the early part of the month.  Yesterday was encouraging though, not the best but still looks like it might be pulling out of the slump.  Didn't think that Easter would have such a huge effect, but it has been a trend across all sites, that things have slowed over the time period, for me at least.  I hope that next week the effects of Easter have completely passed and everything is back to where it was at the start of the month.

I do upload at least 1 photo a day to most sites, SS included, but strive for 3.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Canon XT vs. Canon XTi.
« on: March 25, 2008, 14:07 »
I must chime in here. Being a reviewer for a long time and being able to see what everyone is using, I wouldn't buy or give a canon Rebel,XT Xti to anyone. If I reject stuff for noise it is ALWAYS from these 3 cameras.

I've got a theory on this.  Since most people start with a Rebel series camera (I did), you're more likely to be reviewing an image from a less experienced photographer when the image comes from a Rebel.

The less experienced phtographer is more likely to:
A) Shoot in JPEG, and not Raw - Rebel's have a stronger Sharpening setting, which brings up noise more
B) Not nail the exposure, so fixing it afterward (with an 8-bit compressed JPEG), will yield more noise than a 16-bit RAW file.
C) Have slower glass, requiring higher ISO, which has more noise.

I'm not saying all Rebel shooters do this, just likely a higher proportion than 40D, 5D, or 1D/s shooters.

I agree on this 100%.  As I've grown to know my camera, always shooting at 100 iso and shooting to the right (RAW) pretty much makes noise a moot point.  Though prior to discovering stock I always shot at 200 iso because the shots were fine, they didn't look noisy (rarely did I look at 100% though).  Now I've seen the error in my ways, and unfortunately all photos shot before I began uploading to stock sites are worthless because of the noise.

A rebel at 100 iso shot to the right in raw is no noisier than any other digital camera, it is just when iso is increased and the exposure is wrong (under) where the performance of the camera falls apart compared to other, better, SLR's.

One thing I notice though is that WB correction brings out a little bit of noise (or huge amount, depending on the magnitude of the correction), and my XT ALWAYS misses the WB (actually I have noticed that it gets pretty close with my 17-40L, but it misses, badly at times (1000-2000K), with my other lenses) when auto is used, and I lack the patience to adjust it for each shot in real world conditions prior to taking the shot (I use a gray card in the studio to eliminate this), therefor I always have to tweak the WB.  Usually the noise it adds isn't a big deal, but it does add some.  Cameras that can hit spot on auto WB wouldn't have this problem, nor would folks that use gray cards for each shot.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Nature that sells
« on: March 25, 2008, 09:19 »

I don't know that multiple exposures were used, if the camera captured the full tonal range in the initial shot multiple exposures are not needed, the effect of an HDR can be created from any shot when its curve is flattened, and multiples of a single shot can be created in PS (a screen blending is equivalent to a bright shot, a multiply blending is equivalent to a dark shot, if the initial shot contained no white or black clipping, there is no difference if noise reduction is applied to the appropriate layers (the screen blended layer)).



thanks for the info waldo.

multiple exposure:... check out these three images
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-8943298-taj-mahal-palace.html
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-5053381-taj-mahal-palace-in-india-on-sunrise.html
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-4686271-taj-mahal-palace-in-india-on-sunrise.html

one taj mahal - three images. 

which makes me think that images like this
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-4884196-group-going-along-hill-on-sunset.html

even though it is totally possible to take - it is probably a merge of 2 images - one of people walking on a sand dune, and a nice sunset.


For most of his work it seems he has a nice stock library of skies, and just adds them in PPing, the results are stunning (I've done it before too, not for stock however).  Two different pictures merged into one is very different the multiple exposures merged to HDR.  I wish that I could get that mileage out of my shots  ;D, looks like the initial capture of the Taj has made him a couple of bucks, I'm sure that each shot is a decent seller, they all are stunning.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Nature that sells
« on: March 25, 2008, 09:11 »
It's a bit obvious when the same sky-scape appears in so many images when viewing them altogether. ;D



Hmm..., didn't notice that, I've made shots vaguely related to these (different subject) from a single shot, but yeah looking at them it is pretty clear that almost all the skies are fake.  The colors and shadows in the fields definitely don't look like that sky produced it (probably taken on a lightly overcast day).  The best thing that can happen (really magic sun IMO) is to have a nice deep blue but slightly cloudy sky, have the sun at about the 3 o'clock spot to your back and have a really light cloud pass in front of it, the tonal range of the light is reduced , the shadows are softened, yet the sky is a deep blue full of fluffy clouds.  It seems that all of my most magical looking shots straight from the camera outdoors have this lighting combination.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Nature that sells
« on: March 25, 2008, 08:55 »
Though to me the colors look very oversaturated, they obviously are not posterized if the images are accepted.  A shot generally can take the most saturation without posterization when it has an even range of tonal values throughout the range. 

Most important of all however, is that the WB is spot on across the whole tonal range.  The global WB adjustment in a RAW editor or midtone color balance in PS is typically not enough, first adjust the highlight WB, then the shadow, then the midtone, this is usually enough, but not always (occasionally a local area will need its own WB correction).

If you look at the tone histogram for each of these images, it probably is quite well balanced without any big dips or troughs, from black to white the amount of luminosity is probably fairly even across the board.  As few shots are actually taken this way, in order to boost saturation to those levels first the tone curve has to be flattened. 

There are a number of ways to do this, keep in mind the goal as you do it, an even spread of tones across the whole histogram, which typically also makes for a pleasing image to look at.

From easiest to most difficult, depending on the image several techniques may be needed, some applied several times (like the levels and curves):

With the levels you set the white point and black point (right at the end of the range) and adjust the brightness for an even spread.

The curves are one means of boosting brights or darks to even things out, and adjusting local contrast, an easy tool to use, but difficult to master.

A contrast mask can even an image out overall, apply sparingly as the effect can be noticable if used to much, but it is a fantastic means of flattening the tone curve.

The highlight/shadow tool can be used to balance (increase or reduce) the light or dark areas, but use caution, this lightening dark areas brings out noise, and darkening bright areas adds halos, apply very, very sparingly, only for very minor corrections, it is quite easy to use however.

A targeted luminosity mask (once the mask is created (either the luminosity or its negative) the mask itself can have contrast, levels, and curves applied to target/highlight certain areas) on a contrast/levels/curves adjustment layer or image layer has the same effect as the shadows/highlights tool, but there is far more control and the results are much better, however it is time consuming and difficult to do.  These layers also can have the blending changed to further intensify the effect (then opacity reduced to balance)

The luminosity masked adjustment layer (or image layer with adjustments applied to it) can be taken one step further and areas on the mask masked out (painted black) to only target specific areas like a sky.  This is probably the most intense level of surgery that can be done on the tones of an image, and it can be extremely time consuming, but very good results can be obtained.  Same as above the blending of the layer can boost or be part of the effect as well, and opacity used to balance.

Some of my most intense work in this area had 20+ layers and took several hours to PP (probably a lot less now that I know what I am doing an it is second nature), but in the end the results were fantastic.  Once the tone curve is evened out and smoothed (if you go by how the image looks, in the end typically you find that the histogram evens out, it is pleasing to look at), overly bright areas are darkened and overly dark areas lightened (often when lightening a dark area with a mask, noise reduction should be done on that layer to keep down noise, as lightening makes noise more visible).  The smooth tone curve can then have saturation applied and it can take a lot more (making a more intense picture overall) before it starts to look goofy or posterize.

Any of these techniques are easily found with google for an exact tutorial.  The most intense stuff requires the full PS (any version is fine), I'm not aware of another program that can use targeted luminosity masked layers.

I don't know that multiple exposures were used, if the camera captured the full tonal range in the initial shot multiple exposures are not needed, the effect of an HDR can be created from any shot when its curve is flattened, and multiples of a single shot can be created in PS (a screen blending is equivalent to a bright shot, a multiply blending is equivalent to a dark shot, if the initial shot contained no white or black clipping, there is no difference if noise reduction is applied to the appropriate layers (the screen blended layer)).

As leaf mentioned LAB color space is worth looking into, specifically the technique that I know as LAB color popping, where the A and B channels have the tone curve slope increased (contrast raised), which intensifies colors in a different manner than saturation alone (basically applying a tone curve to the saturation, color can be made very intense this way)

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Adobe Stock / Re: Just not worth the effort (for me, anyways)
« on: March 24, 2008, 16:03 »
Its stupidity like that Snurder mentioned that makes me upset, but if I followed that logic I wouldn't submit to SS or Dreamstime either.  However, those produce more money and their processes are much more user-friendly. 

They also tend to reject by saying that your photo has this or that technical problem, sure it may be iffy, but they usually have a point, and generally that is for the ones with fringe earning potential anyway (of course there are tons of exceptions, speaking in generalities here), whereas FT gives the "not stock" rejection relentlessly, which stings worse than the others since is is based more on opinion than fact, and the shot occasionally has done well elsewhere, proving that it is in fact stock.

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Microstock News / Re: Keyword research and science.
« on: March 24, 2008, 15:39 »
I think that the concrete keywords is a very important point becaus of the nature of keyword searching.  If a buyer has browsing in mind, for a background for example, chances are they would do a category search and not a keyword search, a keyword search would be used when there is something in mind.  But a database with millions of photos is overwhelming and photos that do not belong are terribly annoying and time wasting, therefore to limit the list to only those most relevant, the searcher will try to be as specific, yet short as possible (same mindset as google searching, the internet is huge, and a google search is fundamentally similar to a keyword search). 

My top few keywords (for FT) are always a very concrete description of what the shot actually contains.  All of my sales on DT via keyword searches have been by very accurate descriptions of what the photo contains, yet only using a few words, just cross checking those searches I have found surprisingly few results for each word combination, as if the buyer refined the keywords until a nice accurate short list was presented to them.

The way I always begin keywording is to think to myself, what keyword combination would put this image on page 1 of google for me, with the most basic words.  After that the tenses and less basic words come, then the more ambiguous stuff.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Just not worth the effort (for me, anyways)
« on: March 24, 2008, 15:11 »
That is close to my philosophy:
- my new shots are better than old ones
- my postprocessing is getting better too
- I shoot faster than I am able to process and submit
- re-doing old stuff is boring

Why waste time on old rejects? The only exception would be a proven best-earner.

I pretty much agree with everything you said, especially the part about shooting faster than able to process and submit.  I can always go back through the catalog and find gems that I has glassed over on the first pass (I shoot fast enough lately that that is all they get before I move on to new stuff) if I want to spend time processing old ones.  Heck I even have a few shots that I know are pretty good, but I also know that there will be a pretty involved processing time necessary to complete them, so I just move on to easier work where I can produce more shots in an equal amount of time.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Just not worth the effort (for me, anyways)
« on: March 24, 2008, 13:36 »
I pretty much given up on the whole resubmit thing, it just isn't worth my time, except for some particular shots on IS or SS where there at least exists the potential to make back the time I spent redoing the PP work, even then, I'll wait until a shot has shown it's meddle elsewhere before I try to redo it, maybe I'm losing out on some earnings, but as my time is finite I just use that time for new shots for all sites instead of getting one shot on a second tier site.  When they rejected it in the first place, it at least was an indication that the shot will probably not be a hot one there, in which case even if I do get a few DL's out of it in the long run, I still wasted my time essentially.

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Adobe Stock / Re: and now say Fotolia is too strict... hehe
« on: March 24, 2008, 10:32 »
I have also noticed that you can get any attempt to isolation accepted at Fotolia.
It is everything else they reject...

Yeah thats about all they accept of mine lately, though I managed to sneak one in recently that wasn't an isolation or studio shot.  If studio lights weren't used...rejected, not stock material.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Canon XT vs. Canon XTi.
« on: March 24, 2008, 10:26 »
Is it worth it for me to upgrade from the Canon XT to the Canon XTi? I mainly want to do it because of the self cleaning utility that comes with the XTi, and the increased megapixels can't hurt anything. Maybe this will let me have XL images on iStockphoto. What do you guys think? Thanks.

Is it really worth spending the extra bucks to get a new camera just so you  only have to clean the sensor every 2 months instead of every month?  It isn't that hard to do with the proper tools (crop sensor swabs and e2 fluid).  Sure the other features are niceties, but with the increase in pixels comes an increase in noise. 

The biggest thing I would seek in an upgrade from my XT would be a halfway decent auto WB, an easier means of adjusting the aperture (that little button is annoying), moving the shooting mode (single, multiple, timer) away from where I hit it several times every time I go out shooting, standard PC cable connections to fire flashes remotely, a bigger brighter LCD (or shade, an add on I know, but OEM would be nice), and ISO shown in the viewfinder.  Megapixels, eh whatever they are a nicety, but surely I do not want more if noise is increased.

I guess I need a 5D  ;)

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Once I figured out what IS wants my rate has been pretty good,

What do they want? I see comments and people saying the same things, SS takes mine, IS doesn't. Some people are fine with IS and can't get in the door at SS.  ;D

What's the secret of getting accepted at IS?


For me there are two types of decent pictures, the "that might make a good stock shot" and "wow, what a great picture."  Most sites don't take "wow, what a great picture", especially FT, they haven't taken one yet.  IS OTOH, takes them, and has taken every one that I've submitted.  However "that might make a good stock shot" gets accepted elsewhere to varying degrees, with SS and IS being the toughest, and I have a pretty low rate at IS with them.  My secret to getting shots accepted at IS, if I love it, chances are they do too.  It is the only site that I feel this way about, though DT seems to take a high % of them and SS a fair #.  When it comes to shots that I take purely for stock and not because I love taking pictures to admire, the checkers at IS can see right through it and reject them.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: A Critical Mass
« on: March 19, 2008, 15:32 »
I think the shots have way more to do than the numbers.  Either one of my top earners (they earn across all sites too) each have made more than all other shots in my port combined minus the other one.  Granted I'm sure it is hard to predict these shots (1 was easy to see, the other was not, and I've missed on 2 others that didn't take off like I expected), but honing your ability to predict these and trying to concentrate all effort on taking them and ignoring the simple overall #'s of shots will not only make you a better and more creative photographer, but also will earn more in the end, as it takes time to take, process, and upload shots that maybe will see a few DL's at most in their lifetime, time that could be better spent trying to get that one great shot that will out earn dozens of lesser ones.

With this in mind that critical mass will be drastically different for each photographer, and each too will define the boundary about what constitutes reliable cash flow differently.

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I understand looking at other works and TV to get inspired for a new
creations, but how do some photographers get so many ideas like total of 50 uploads to dreamstime for the month what the secret


A lot of people don't necessarily have 50 ideas, I often see an idea with little tweaks photographed from 20 different angles or with little prop tweaks.  This is very noticeable at FT (where I do a lot of my looking at others works, I find their interface the easiest for just looking at pictures).  When you enter a keyword combo and sort by upload date, you often gets lots of series of shots, sometimes several pages long, where there are only minor differences between the shots.  If you want to boost your #'s of shots (whether it leads to more downloads over a single shot is questionable, but it can't hurt, all it will do is dilute your port's overall earning per shot) this is the way to do it.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Look at Istock and buy at Shutterstock
« on: March 19, 2008, 12:20 »
Buyers are not like us, we submit everywhere but they just buy at one place maybe two at the most.

I buy everything from istock even if the photos  are from non exclusives, buyers don't have time to waste and go around just trying to save $1.

I agree with andresr here.  I'm sure that there are a few exceptions (maybe some freelancers or less professional people), but professional designers (and professional people in general) use their time to maximize their cost efficiency.  If a designers time is worth 50-100+ per hour (at least, their gross pay (to the company, much more than what they actually see) + company overhead is bare minimum) in actually making money for the buisiness, wasting that valuable time to chase a few bucks in cost savings on a picture here or chasing a little refund there is just a waste of time, that time is much better spent actually designing in terms of the cost effectiveness of their time.

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I've contemplated this thread for a while and aside from improving your quality to be above others (IMHO the best route), the law of diminishing returns is basically directly proportional to your growth rate vs. the overall agency port growth rate (and its relationship to the agency sales growth rate).  If your port is growing faster (in % growth) than the  general agencies, then revenue should grow.  If the agency is growing their port at the rate of 15% a month, if you do not, you are falling behind.  It's fairly easy to stay ahead of the curve at first, but once you've been at it a long time, unless you are very prolific, chances are the agency rate has surpassed you. 

I only see two fallbacks that would keep your rate growing, if the % growth is below the agencies, is the sites where a # sold search is possible, time is to your advantage there and your shots will sell at a higher rate than average if they have sold enough over their life.  Also, for most, quality will increase over time to where your shots are of a higher quality and more salable than the average shot, so you would still sell more than the average site growth rate.

However this assumes that site sales growth is proportional to site port growth, if this changes over time (sales overall flatten out relative to the port growth, or sales accelerate relative to port growth) there will be differences, with sales flattening out (not necessarily horizontal movement only, if the port grows faster than sales, it is flattening), the diminishing returns gets worse, if the sales accelerate relative to the port growth, diminishing returns is not as big of a factor.

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FT for me.  Once I figured out what IS wants my rate has been pretty good, FT OTOH, I have no idea, they only take about 30% of my shots.

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Software - General / Re: Photoshop CS2 or CS3
« on: March 13, 2008, 23:50 »
The two reasons why I upgraded form CS2 to CS3:

- Much easier b&w conversion

- I use a Mac, and PS2 flows as fast as dried concrete on an Intel Mac

Apart from that: not many important improvements for my everyday work.

How much easier can the B&W conversion get?  In CS2 either use straight Lum and convert to grayscale or emphasize parts by using the channel mixer.  Either way it is simple.  I am curious as to how much easier it can get?

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Cameras / Lenses / Re: Buying Nikon 24-70mm f2.8
« on: March 13, 2008, 20:08 »
For now it's confusing. Many of the magazine give a very high average rating for this lens. Photozone.com included, but lately like you say many users given it bad analysis.

IMO you have to take the user reviews with a grain of salt.  There always will be variability in the QC of lenses, especially new models.  People that buy the lens are either A) Happy as can be, it is everything that they hoped for and more, B) Not blown away, but satisfied, or C) Disappointed to extremely disappointed, either from setting the bar too high in their minds or getting a bad copy.  Chances are either A or B aren't going to write a review, it is C that is mad and does the writing.

As an example I was considering a Sigma 10-22mm for a long time.  All of the mag and pro reviews rate it very highly and some user reviews are great.  But the bulk of the user reviews are people PO'ed that they got a bad copy and the lens stinks, it took them .....x tries to get a good one and it still isn't that good....whatever.  But I also happen to know 3 people that own one, they all love em and consider it their favorite lens.  All 3 got good copies to begin with and their pictures back it up.  While Sigma may not have the greatest QC, reading user reviews makes you believe that 50%+ of lenses are bad, which I don't think is he case at all.  Maybe high as far as lenses go, but they would quickly go out of business if 50% of the products that they sell are defective.

I tend to avoid all user reviews unless it is a general forum of owners (such as the lenses' group in Flickr (most popular lenses have one)) or I have a relationship of some sort with the person (even chatting online), a review left at Amazon et al is just pointless to me as it doesn't represent an accurate cross section of owners.

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I doubt that any designer would pursue a refund.  The small amount of gain on the refund does not justify the time spent pursuing it.  If a designer makes $20 per hour (probably $50 minimum if taxes and other overhead are included), even spending 10 minutes on the pursuit is nothing more than a waste of effort.  I could understand if it was a more expensive RM image, but at a couple of bucks, what is the point.  Generally business mistakes don't matter much unless they cost in the thousands unless it is an unusually regular occurance.  In the design/construction industry if you haven't made a 10K mistake, you either work on little stuff, have little authority, or just started.

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Jack - Small airplanes definitely give the best shots, I've seen a bunch on Flickr from that altitude that I really love (without the scratched up, warped  plastic covered polarized windows and 10's of miles of air distortion/tinting,  the shots are way better from the camera).  Do you do it professionally or as a hobby?  I work with a few professional guys, occasionally on some of my bigger projects we hire some pros to come in and take some aerials for sitework planning.  Not quite the same though as the ones of cool places. Almost daily I download NASA Landsat/Astronomer pictures and use them as my screensaver, simply stunning (I send way too much time staring at my screensaver). 

Aircraft shots do well in my limited experience.  My best seller is of an airplane (a business jet).  I'm sure that there will be many more too as OEP airport access (all airports in general) in the RSA and TSA to active runways is something that I occasionally get at work (very, very few people do) (I design Navaids, especially VORs/DVORs, but a lot of ILSs too), and I am expected to have at least a PnS in my hands when I am there.  He he.  I know that there are quite a few aviation magazines, might want to page through those for ideas at least for what the aviation community is looking for, I always steal a few minutes when I'm in an FBO to flip through and look at the photos in the ads and articles.  The whole vintage thing, especially dawn of flight/warplane (WW2 especially) I can see having a decent market outside of the regular aviation community, the more markets a shot is applicable too, the better it seems to sell.

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Thx for watching out for everybody over at Flickr Chode  :)

If I ever see anything fishy I'll do the same, though my Flickr time has been cut back to chatting with my contacts and participating in a few of my favorite private groups, not likely that I'll run across anything.

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