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Thanks to Steve and your work for this data.

It would be interesting to chop the files count by lifetimes earnings at a finer slice - and then graph the total earnings by # of files - what is the sweet spot - is it really images that make ~80$ each, or more like ~50$ or what?

I still think there are a number of things out of our control that make the difference between a decent seller and a top seller - mostly those are the vagaries of sales and the how the sites decide to display the images. I'm sure Steve has produced more images of his cat and I suspect that some have done well and some not well at all - and as you say - it is hard to impossible to predict which ones will perform better - and the fact that some images do great on only one site suggests that it can be as much the site as the image itself. Still, producing a lot of good content is the most likely way to get decent and top sellers.

I suspect that Steve's top earners from 2020 are due to his recognition of trends - probably mostly around Covid and producing images that met those trends in a timely manner - well done. My facemask images produced early in 2020 didn't go anywhere, but it was a pretty half-hearted effort and I didn't have any old theater marques to play with.

I think timeless images could have a very long 1/2 life especially compared to current trend images - the fall off of sales is more due to how the agencies treat them than the images themselves. Stuff like wildlife and landscapes could age very well - unless the agencies just push them down over time solely based on their age - in which case maybe you should just re-upload everything every 10 or 15 years or once there are no sales after a certain period - in fact this is something that could be done automatically by a program even after you are no longer putting any effort into image production. 

My personal best seller at SS had daily sales until one day it didn't - it went from a top line on page one for a one word search to nowhere in the top 10 pages one day and the sales went away too. I think predictions for how sales would be 10 or 20 years out are on very shaky ground. I think with a large enough portfolio sales will go down to some low level and then putter along at that level - until the sites change something or technology like AI images comes along and they go down even lower. We have some historical data for the last 15 years or so, but the changes in the industry over that time are enough that predictions based on that data are pretty suspect.

I think the best seller sales over time graph would be easier to read if the 0 was the bottom line on your graph - not some point in space above it.

I guess the real takeaway is no secret - consistently produce images that meet a need and upload them to a lot of sites and you will get a lot of sales and once you stop producing images sales will fall off - rapidly at first and then more slowly.

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Maybe interesting.
A comparison of average RPI from some stock photographers.
https://photutorial.com/how-much-can-you-make-selling-stock-photos/

I wonder if chatgpt wrote that. I've certainly had sales below the minimum listed there.

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After my first few years (and maybe even then) I think the changes at the sites make a bigger difference than any changes I made other than the number of images I uploaded and even that is small potatoes compared to a site taking 20 or more percent of every sale. In general RPI and RPD has been on a downward trend for a long time. Actual income seems to have leveled off at a much lower level, but it is still dropping if you take inflation into account and the sites probably are about to announce some more exciting news.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: ShutterStock Forums no longer active
« on: February 23, 2023, 20:07 »
But it is a forum with many longtime users who have a lot of experience, this is true.

This place is a treasure trove of historical microstock information. After reading some of these really old posts, I can see how much the business has changed over the years. Gives a good idea of how competitive it has become, and also how the marketplaces have dramatically driven down the prices :/

Sadly microstock has become a lot less competitive with other jobs.

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Would like some advice on Dreamstime. Thanks
« on: February 15, 2023, 22:21 »
I think DT might have a 100% royalty day about once per year - figure out when it is and put it on your calendar and then buy yourself up to $100 and cash out.

Or upload a lot more images that sell, or just write it off.

I agree that 100$ is a bit of a high amount with the rate of sales these days, and they should pay whatever balance remains when you close the account, but this is the way it has been at DT for as long as I can remember, so at least it isn't because they moved the goalposts.

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Canva / Re: Canva earnings are continuing to go down
« on: February 10, 2023, 11:34 »
That is similar to what I looked at - although my numbers are much much lower. I wonder about the ratio of subscription plans to individual or credit sales - with longer term sub plans even if the dl # are much lower at the end of December the 4 should just be split about equally.

Something is making the amount we get per applies and exports go down over time. It could be people are taking more advantage of their plans or they are selling plans for less or ?  I'm a lot more annoyed about actual downloads that go for nearly nothing than if someone uses an image as part of a one-off design. I also am less annoyed if I am making close or more than what I make on the top sites. When $ amounts drop down into the lower tier levels it might be time to pull the plug.

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Canva / Re: Canva earnings are continuing to go down
« on: February 09, 2023, 20:19 »
Looks like performance is pretty steady to falling slightly. Earnings are falling much more steeply though. It would be interesting to see the stats over a longer time period.

Does anyone know what "applies" and "exports" means. My guess is applies is usage in a canva design and export is similar to sales on other microstock sites.  Those numbers are pretty high - 1-2 orders of magnitude greater than sales on adobe for similar to more $ at adobe.

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I'm surprised they even mention maximizing "your" revenue, seems like a weird thing to mention since they so clearly don't care about our revenue.

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So are you saying not to include the keyword "background" for a background image so as to not compete with hundreds of millions of images or not make those images at all or just stick it somewhere down after the first 10 or more keywords?

First of all, I would be saying not to create a background image to compete with hundreds of millions of other background images. But if you decide to do so, then yes, using just "background" as one of the first ("most important") keywords is probably not the brightest idea. Depends on your portfolio etc., but on average your chances for ranking for that keyword would be increadibly small

ok, I was thinking if you had for example a mosaic tile background image, you would still want to put background in - just in case someone searched on "tile background" or "mosaic background". There would be no expectations you would show up on a search on just background - which is the case for almost any single word search these days unless you have great search placement or the single word is pretty obscure.    Looking at my last 20 sales on Adobe I certainly wouldn't want to have not made any background images.

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So are you saying not to include the keyword "background" for a background image so as to not compete with hundreds of millions of images or not make those images at all or just stick it somewhere down after the first 10 or more keywords?  How about for an image with a white (or other color) background - should "background" not be one of the keywords or should it be included but just know that other keywords are more important?

When I look at what DT says was searched to find images sold it is usually a very simple one word search. Same for back when SS showed that info.

Good reminder to put in the words to find the image, not just describe it.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: What a cool SS, how well he sells
« on: February 05, 2023, 17:00 »
I have reached the $10,000.

Nice work, does that come with anything from SS anymore? It used to mean .38 sub downloads (or maybe that was at $30,000 lifetime earnings, I can't remember. )

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I guess they misread their database columns and did it for everyone. That is a big oops.


https://www.dreamstime.com/boards/forum-1/thread-52497

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I have my name, city, and state hidden by default, although it would be easy enough to find - and presumably they sent my name in error. It is a pretty bad breach by DT. Not as bad as when some place was letting buyers see model releases with all their info, but still pretty bad.

I looked up the person who's data I got - they have 1/3 the income with 2.5 times the images. I think DT likes me (or they hate others more - and they might have sent my private info to someone else). I guess lots of similar travel images don't do all that well on DT.

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The subject pretty much says it all, I got a 1099 in the mail today from DT with my address and account name, but a different person's name and TIN and the $ amount was not correct for me either.  I did check to W-9 on file at DT and it is correct. I sent them an e-mail so I guess I'll see what they say. I hope my name SS# and $ amount wasn't sent to someone else.

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Interesting to see your results as always.

Wow, SS really is jumping the shark. You do seem to mix return per download (RPD) and return per image (RPI) at times, but the only number that really matters - total $ is down - especially when you take inflation into account.

For a while we had similar sized ports and stats at various sites - you have a lot more now than I do. I usually do 2-3x what you do at DT with a similar sized port and usually do at least a bit better at Alamy. I've given up on SS and iS though.

I hope things pick up after Jan, but I don't have a lot of reason to think they will.

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Canva / Re: Canva earnings are continuing to go down
« on: January 24, 2023, 00:07 »
The only place I've found to see earnings are at 

https://www.canva.com/earnings 

It usually takes me a while to figure out how to see that as you need to make sure you have selected the correct "team" first and there aren't any obvious links to it from the login page and I usually only do it once or twice a month.



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Canva / Re: Canva earnings are continuing to go down
« on: January 23, 2023, 21:44 »
I'm not sure I have can see the new dashboard, what I can see is pretty short on information. I'm also pretty sure that is on purpose.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: SS continues to deteriorate
« on: January 20, 2023, 13:40 »

And back to the part I was commenting on, percentage of sold images from anyone's portfolio, will also go down the harder we work and the longer we add new images.


That too, for me, is going up, not down. But I think that's mainly because my old photos were crap and I did not have a good understanding what sells well when I started out. But the more data from my own port I had, the more conclusion on what sells and what doesn't I could draw and the better I got at photography, the more I could produce content that sells and therefore the percentage of sold images is going up and not down.

There has been a pretty long history of discussion of "the wall" or whatever you want to call the point where downloads no longer go up or even start to fall despite continuous uploading. Unless you can continue to create more images than before or better sellers or the agencies sell more images it will catch up to everyone eventually. The question is how long before it catches up to you and if your income at that point is satisfactory compared to the amount of work you are putting in. 

I think that if you are making images that are more timeless then the falloff of sales will be slower and more driven by the whims of the algorithms than the buyers. Some who have stopped uploading have reported that sales fell for a while and then hit some sort of steady state. Depending on how timeless and popular your works are, that steady state level might be pretty good.

Of course if the agencies decide to pay us 50% less, our income will go down 50%.

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Canva / Re: Canva earnings are continuing to go down
« on: January 18, 2023, 14:56 »
Canva has always been the most lopsided site for me as far as the majority of the sales come from a few images. Since they went to the all you can eat mystery buffet I only get a few individual sales each month. They are still dominated by a few files.

Revenue continues to fall.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: 123RF is dead
« on: January 18, 2023, 13:02 »
123RF was showing good growth up to 2012 or so which is when they cut our take and promised double sales (that never happened). They held on fairly steadily until mid 2018 or so when sales really fell off a cliff for me. As they did a worse job of selling pics they took a larger share of the pie. They have been limping and crawling along ever since.

There are so many things wrong with the site these days I wonder if they even have anyone working on it.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Announcing The Adobe Stock Model Tagger
« on: January 11, 2023, 17:41 »
In cases of pics of myself I have used the same model release for a while - I presume I should upload a new model release when I cross an age boundary (or in my case is it possible to re-associate pics from a different age category with a different model release?) since it has been a number of years and photos since that happened.

I get a 404 error when I clicked on the "what do we mean by ...." link.

I presume we are to label people of mixed ethnicities/race as both or do we go with the USA method of just a little non-white makes one the non-white category.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Race to level 2
« on: January 11, 2023, 17:24 »
Just think about how much more motivated you would be if you could have this race every month instead of just starting each year.

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Alamy.com / Re: Opting out of China in distribution scheme?
« on: January 11, 2023, 11:56 »
At least it wasn't for 2 cents - but that is still unacceptable.

Not that they were great before, but after PA media took over their trustworthiness is even less impressive.

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I am curious what happens when they take down a big portfolio like this - as far as I know they make no effort to find the actual image owners to pay, so my guess is SS just pockets all the $ they haven't paid out yet - this could be part of their new business model - allow fraudulent ports and then keep 100% of the sales - of course they keep so much of every sale anyway bumping it up to 100% probably isn't worth the effort and risk.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe Stock. When will sales return?
« on: January 06, 2023, 12:51 »
and the ranking is based on # of downloads, not $, so you might make a good amount with videos but rank very poorly because it is appears to be solely based on the # of downloads - perhaps per period of time, but I think it is just the overall # compared to everyone else.

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