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« Reply #50 on: June 08, 2020, 16:03 »
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Level 5 photo, level 3 video.
Here are the SS RPDs for 2020, all-inclusive (since it will take too long to remove the EL, videos, large SoDs, one by one)

Jan $1.55/DL
Feb $1.30/DL
Mar $1.02/DL
Apr $1.65/DL
May $1.51/DL

Jun $1.14/DL

Therefore, June is 18% worse than the average RPD of the previous months.
However, March was way below my normal values. Without considering the exception of March, the RPD dropped by 24%.

But I also feel that June is a "good month", so far (from the DL number and DL type point of view) therefore the real average RPD loss must be larger than 24%

Thanks for your input, but the reason I set these "rules" as to exclude video and calculate w/ and w/o EL's in images was to be able and find as clean results as possible in all this mess. My last thread coulnd't do that and I already had some people post data. From that first data, we gathered a generic average of -33% ... but it was wrong, as it came from many different levels and also polluted with EL's (like my sample for example). My ultimate purpose is to start finding common patterns in this. And find the particular spot in statistics, that the -% in rpd stops being a mere fluctuation (like you had in March) and where it shows that it starts being the new rule of the game. I hope you understand and that you can provide some more accuracy in your data in the requested format. Regards.
I am not going to sift through 6k sales to eliminate videos and high photo sales manually.
My videos and high photo sales are not lucky exceptions, but a regular predictable matter.

What matters is the total reduction of RPD, not just the analysis of a subset of the data.


anon20200611

« Reply #51 on: June 08, 2020, 16:21 »
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Level 5 photo, level 3 video.
Here are the SS RPDs for 2020, all-inclusive (since it will take too long to remove the EL, videos, large SoDs, one by one)

Jan $1.55/DL
Feb $1.30/DL
Mar $1.02/DL
Apr $1.65/DL
May $1.51/DL

Jun $1.14/DL

Therefore, June is 18% worse than the average RPD of the previous months.
However, March was way below my normal values. Without considering the exception of March, the RPD dropped by 24%.

But I also feel that June is a "good month", so far (from the DL number and DL type point of view) therefore the real average RPD loss must be larger than 24%

Thanks for your input, but the reason I set these "rules" as to exclude video and calculate w/ and w/o EL's in images was to be able and find as clean results as possible in all this mess. My last thread coulnd't do that and I already had some people post data. From that first data, we gathered a generic average of -33% ... but it was wrong, as it came from many different levels and also polluted with EL's (like my sample for example). My ultimate purpose is to start finding common patterns in this. And find the particular spot in statistics, that the -% in rpd stops being a mere fluctuation (like you had in March) and where it shows that it starts being the new rule of the game. I hope you understand and that you can provide some more accuracy in your data in the requested format. Regards.
I am not going to sift through 6k sales to eliminate videos and high photo sales manually.
My videos and high photo sales are not lucky exceptions, but a regular predictable matter.

What matters is the total reduction of RPD, not just the analysis of a subset of the data.

For you what primarily matters is of course the stats you provided, absolutely no disagreement on that. But in the spreadsheet we are compiling in this thread, the ultimate purpose is for all data to have a way into merging together, ultimately to create global averages. Video sales at this point are polluting the generic result we are trying to give. If you can't bother deducting the whole categories from your month in sales and in dl numbers, ok then don't do so. You can sit back and wait for someone else that will like the rest. Take care.

« Reply #52 on: June 08, 2020, 18:39 »
+1
Level 5 photo, level 3 video.
Here are the SS RPDs for 2020, all-inclusive (since it will take too long to remove the EL, videos, large SoDs, one by one)

Jan $1.55/DL
Feb $1.30/DL
Mar $1.02/DL
Apr $1.65/DL
May $1.51/DL

Jun $1.14/DL

Therefore, June is 18% worse than the average RPD of the previous months.
However, March was way below my normal values. Without considering the exception of March, the RPD dropped by 24%.

But I also feel that June is a "good month", so far (from the DL number and DL type point of view) therefore the real average RPD loss must be larger than 24%

Thanks for your input, but the reason I set these "rules" as to exclude video and calculate w/ and w/o EL's in images was to be able and find as clean results as possible in all this mess. My last thread coulnd't do that and I already had some people post data. From that first data, we gathered a generic average of -33% ... but it was wrong, as it came from many different levels and also polluted with EL's (like my sample for example). My ultimate purpose is to start finding common patterns in this. And find the particular spot in statistics, that the -% in rpd stops being a mere fluctuation (like you had in March) and where it shows that it starts being the new rule of the game. I hope you understand and that you can provide some more accuracy in your data in the requested format. Regards.
I am not going to sift through 6k sales to eliminate videos and high photo sales manually.
My videos and high photo sales are not lucky exceptions, but a regular predictable matter.

What matters is the total reduction of RPD, not just the analysis of a subset of the data.

For you what primarily matters is of course the stats you provided, absolutely no disagreement on that. But in the spreadsheet we are compiling in this thread, the ultimate purpose is for all data to have a way into merging together, ultimately to create global averages. Video sales at this point are polluting the generic result we are trying to give. If you can't bother deducting the whole categories from your month in sales and in dl numbers, ok then don't do so. You can sit back and wait for someone else that will like the rest. Take care.

As you see fit.

But when your goal is to achieve statistical relevance, you can't leave out of the equation statistically relevant parameters.

As I said, large SoDs, ELs, and video sales are not random nor lucky, but rather predictable.
I know with a high probability when I can expect an EL, a large SoD, or a video sale. They systematically appear after a certain number of subs.
They are part of the whole system. You can't leave them out. Especially not, when you deal with large numbers.

Leaving them out will only lead to flawed analysis and misleading conclusions.

But anyway... good luck in your endeavor!  ;)



« Reply #53 on: June 08, 2020, 21:38 »
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If the new structure can earn you more money, then why Shutterstock want to do it? Your data sample is so small that it is totally irrelevant. Even a Level 6 will have a dip of 20-30% at least.

Not irrelevant but incomplete, at least until now.

We can't say precisely how much is the reduction becuse we dont have any knowlodege about what image packet buyers buy more... we need this kind of data to see the real impact.

I also think the payment change will decrease our incoming, but this kind of data and researches are very welcome.

anon20200611

« Reply #54 on: June 09, 2020, 02:28 »
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As you see fit.

But when your goal is to achieve statistical relevance, you can't leave out of the equation statistically relevant parameters.

As I said, large SoDs, ELs, and video sales are not random nor lucky, but rather predictable.
I know with a high probability when I can expect an EL, a large SoD, or a video sale. They systematically appear after a certain number of subs.
They are part of the whole system. You can't leave them out. Especially not, when you deal with large numbers.

Leaving them out will only lead to flawed analysis and misleading conclusions.

But anyway... good luck in your endeavor!  ;)

We need to exclude the video from this one research, but if we get accurate results on a -% from the images, we can have a good guess what will happen with video as well.

ELs and high SoD's do have a frequency. But for many of the contributors, especially in Level 4, these downloads could be 1x every 2 or 3 months, maybe. So since we are talking about monthly RPD and they would also cause a high deviation of the numbers, I designed this spreadsheet both with and without. I didn't leave them out. They can be singled out by the difference in RPD.

I kept in mind to ask the minimum of info possible to get the most accurate results possible. It's already hard for most to do these calculations accurately.

edit: typos
« Last Edit: June 09, 2020, 02:56 by astockphotographer088 »

« Reply #55 on: June 09, 2020, 03:36 »
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I have created an Excel sheet that calculates the change in commission for each sold Subs and On Demand image comparing old and new figures and then making totals for Subs, On Demand and all images, also with percentages.

If anybody wnats one, I can post it here if the forum software will accept an .xls or .zip file. So far in June, I'm down 32.48% compared to what I would have received with the old pricing. Comparing with last year or last month is irrelevant.

rod

« Reply #56 on: June 09, 2020, 03:43 »
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 -32.54%, only for subscriptions RPD,  May 1-8 & Jun 1-8
Average per download 0.256 in Jun
 :-[ :-[ :-[

« Reply #57 on: June 09, 2020, 03:47 »
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-32.54%, only for subscriptions RPD,  May 1-8 & Jun 1-8
Average per download 0.256 in Jun
 :-[ :-[ :-[

I'm 57.31% down on Subs (previously .38 per download) and 20.56 down on On Demand. One week is far to short time though, and singles are impossible to calculate since the prices have always varied.

anon20200611

« Reply #58 on: June 09, 2020, 03:57 »
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Quote from: rod
-32.54%, only for subscriptions RPD,  May 1-8 & Jun 1-8
Average per download 0.256 in Jun
 :-[ :-[ :-[

Quote from: epixx
If anybody wnats one, I can post it here if the forum software will accept an .xls or .zip file. So far in June, I'm down 32.48% compared to what I would have received with the old pricing. Comparing with last year or last month is irrelevant.

Can you please both of you care enough to do all the calculations that can fit in this spreadsheet? Without earlier vs current level and without a last 3 month average vs June av, both with EL and w/o, we can't make accurate estimates. It may be a little bit more complicated to deduct categories and downloads but with using a piece of paper and keeping notes of the sums it's a piece of cake. Already tried in an earlier post, it failed because of many random parameters that polluted results. This new effort will produce more accurate results if the data is submitted in the requested format.

« Reply #59 on: June 09, 2020, 04:01 »
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See if this works.

anon20200611

« Reply #60 on: June 09, 2020, 04:08 »
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See if this works.

It doesn't because you didn't calculate .rpd - if you would like to contribute, please go at the top post and follow the instructions in blue. Don't forget to mention your contributor level, past and new.

« Reply #61 on: June 09, 2020, 07:48 »
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For the first time ever I made less on SS then both AS and 123RF yesterday. Something over 1000 dls on SS so far in June, RPD down 20% level 5

anon20200611

« Reply #62 on: June 09, 2020, 07:58 »
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For the first time ever I made less on SS then both AS and 123RF yesterday. Something over 1000 dls on SS so far in June, RPD down 20% level 5

In case you missed the title, this is not your generic "how is your day" thread in general discussion. It's an effort to determine real average deduction of Shutterstock earnings. It's a collective data calculation effort. If you are so serious about your gains / losses, take a calculator and share the results.

« Reply #63 on: June 09, 2020, 08:01 »
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It's turned into quite a useful thread for hearing how people are doing.

anon20200611

« Reply #64 on: June 09, 2020, 08:11 »
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It's turned into quite a useful thread for hearing how people are doing.

It would be even more useful if people would post how they are actually doing collectively instead of a selective angle of each individual's "truth", like in your case.

« Reply #65 on: June 09, 2020, 10:15 »
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I don't get this at all...you want to "prove" something to Shutterstock they already know. They have complete access to all the statistics and no doubt are exactly aware of the effect of what they are doing.

« Reply #66 on: June 09, 2020, 10:20 »
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Why ya'all keep responding to this troll is beyond me. Just ignore him already, jesus.


anon20200611

« Reply #67 on: June 09, 2020, 11:27 »
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I don't get this at all...you want to "prove" something to Shutterstock they already know. They have complete access to all the statistics and no doubt are exactly aware of the effect of what they are doing.

No, I'm not trying to prove anything to Shutterstock. I am trying to collectively gather some people to provide accurate rpd data, so that we can all just see what is going on. How much is the cut? 5%? 10%? 20%? Does that +% on EL or SoD compensate for the loss? Are we being treated fairly (probably not) but how are we not being treated fairly? By calculating the loss in rpd terms it's a significant first step towards any contributor negotiation with Shutterstock. Then we can say to Shutterstock or anyone like Shutterstock "hey Mr. you actions cut 5 ... 10 ... 20 ... percent". In your letter you promised that this new system was a + for level 5 or level 6 and that it would keep level 4 the same. Why are these point zeros so low? Why is the rpd of everyone declining? And why should we accept a double down on January?

This is how business is discussed. It's negotiated. People think that by removing 0,03% of the Shutterstock library is going to be a revenge towards Shutterstock? The only thing they are going to achieve is decrease their storage server costs and make them even more profitable. Nobody needs to bite the hand that feeds them. We need to discuss a trade deal that has being benefiting both sides for years. And based on the results on rpd returns, to then discuss the absurd idea of the January reset. Not vent anger in forums, or Twitter, or Facebook or Youtube dislikes. This is a waste of energy, that could be otherwise be put in good use, like thinking for example.

But I'm tired to try to explain to a bunch of idiots what they should do really. Do whatever you want. Couldn't care less.

« Reply #68 on: June 09, 2020, 11:52 »
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Negotiation? I only see one idiot here when did Shutterstock ever negotiate with its suppliers?

« Reply #69 on: June 09, 2020, 11:53 »
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Why ya'all keep responding to this troll is beyond me. Just ignore him already, jesus.
You are right of course but its amusing sometimes  :o

Shelma1

« Reply #70 on: June 09, 2020, 12:33 »
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In your letter you promised that this new system was a + for level 5 or level 6 and that it would keep level 4 the same. Why are these point zeros so low? Why is the rpd of everyone declining? And why should we accept a double down on January?


Where in the email did it promise that it was a + for level 5 or level 6 and that it would keep level 4 the same? I saw no such promise.

« Reply #71 on: June 09, 2020, 12:37 »
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I don't get this at all...you want to "prove" something to Shutterstock they already know. They have complete access to all the statistics and no doubt are exactly aware of the effect of what they are doing.

No, I'm not trying to prove anything to Shutterstock. I am trying to collectively gather some people to provide accurate rpd data, so that we can all just see what is going on. How much is the cut? 5%? 10%? 20%? Does that +% on EL or SoD compensate for the loss? Are we being treated fairly (probably not) but how are we not being treated fairly? By calculating the loss in rpd terms it's a significant first step towards any contributor negotiation with Shutterstock. Then we can say to Shutterstock or anyone like Shutterstock "hey Mr. you actions cut 5 ... 10 ... 20 ... percent". In your letter you promised that this new system was a + for level 5 or level 6 and that it would keep level 4 the same. Why are these point zeros so low? Why is the rpd of everyone declining? And why should we accept a double down on January?

This is how business is discussed. It's negotiated. People think that by removing 0,03% of the Shutterstock library is going to be a revenge towards Shutterstock? The only thing they are going to achieve is decrease their storage server costs and make them even more profitable. Nobody needs to bite the hand that feeds them. We need to discuss a trade deal that has being benefiting both sides for years. And based on the results on rpd returns, to then discuss the absurd idea of the January reset. Not vent anger in forums, or Twitter, or Facebook or Youtube dislikes. This is a waste of energy, that could be otherwise be put in good use, like thinking for example.

But I'm tired to try to explain to a bunch of idiots what they should do really. Do whatever you want. Couldn't care less.

But would you actually accept the fact your or all our earnings are down and that it's not worth it anymore?

Negotiations? That surely helped Yuri Arcurs didn't it? He even sat at their table, something you and I can only dream of and did they listen? If you don't know the story then ask around. This was and still is one of the most successful microstock contributors ever. If they ignore a guy like that do you really think they care about you, me or anyone else?
I'm sure they would love to see you come waving around with your stats report. That'll surely change their mind!
If they'd care they wouldn't even have made this drastic change. Maybe lower subs to 36 or 33, the opposite of what Adobe did. Small changes that can have great effect. No they decided to literally cut our earnings in half. Maybe not for you, lucky you then but you cannot deny that the majority of us is down in earnings, by a lot. We're not making this up hombre!

You talk about professionalism? then how come reviews are totally messed up, stolen portfolio's kept online, open door to spammers, not to mention the bots running support. Shall I continue? How can you negotiate with those people? Only one thing you can do, take action. This has been done with FT DPC (again look it up if you're new at this) and it worked.

You are way smarter then many of us yet you can't acknowledge the fact that Shutterstock's move will destroy many incomes, maybe even lives because yes some people make a decent living with their microstock income? But it's these idiots fault not to have a backup plan right?

And now these people are not only idiots for not having a backup plan they are also idiots for taking action or express their feelings?

Hopefully many will provide you with their details to go on your stats report but then what? You'll be our negotiator? Have you ever been in contact with their support?

Anyway, I'm going to leave it at that because I don't have anything against you and I do hope people will participate in your thread. So stick around and good luck!

« Reply #72 on: June 09, 2020, 13:02 »
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In your letter you promised that this new system was a + for level 5 or level 6 and that it would keep level 4 the same. Why are these point zeros so low? Why is the rpd of everyone declining? And why should we accept a double down on January?


Where in the email did it promise that it was a + for level 5 or level 6 and that it would keep level 4 the same? I saw no such promise.
It kind of implied that but anyone with any experience of modern management speak and communications from Microstock sites over the years would have seen through that in a nano-second.

« Reply #73 on: June 09, 2020, 13:34 »
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The most often used word in these magnificent letters is The POTENTIAL TO EARN MORE. Its not a lie. There is potential for you to travel to Mars now as well, it sure isnt impossible ;D

Oh man, this whole thing is funny in a way. Very sad and amusing at the same time.

I honestly think that SS could have introduced image quality levels and let contributors chose in what tier they want to sell their assets.

Each contributor and buyer would have a chance to pick a tier where to upload and search for content depending on how much they want to get paid/spend.

That way it would still be netting SS more money and promoting higher quality content etc.

Its just a hybrid system that while still not good is better than this one.
For higher tier contributors with quality content that was very costly to produce it would mean that actually most of their work would be seen as opposed to now when 10 pages of a dirty cat in 20 various angles shot from a phone gets posted every minute...

Justmy 2 cents.

« Reply #74 on: June 09, 2020, 13:47 »
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Just to update on the actual topic. My current RPD is 0.736, excluding video which is not bad as I had some SODs that brought the average up.

I still hate the new earnings system and consider this an anomaly. I didnt jump ship so far as I wanted to gather enough data beforehand. I still resent the idea of selling subs for 10 cents. If it was possible I would opt out of selling subs to those buyers with large package deals, I surely would. Even if it meant a lot less money for me.

BUT I have to say that I am very honored to be in the company of some courageous people who disabled their portfolios straight away. If a change is goingto happen, it will be because of them and THEM only. My attitude in this matter is not fruitful BUT I gave myself 2 weeks to see where I stand. Even if I stay and my earnings dont change I will feel like a traitor.

I will decide together with the Russians 8)


 

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