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Author Topic: Accurate Calculations of OLD RPD vs JUNE RPD (Constant Updates)  (Read 4393 times)

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anon20200611

« on: June 07, 2020, 03:57 »
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Can an admin please watch over this thread and clean it up from all non-data-submitting posts? And also the data submitting posts that are not correctly submitted?

After enough valid data is collected I will create and post the spreadsheet at the top of this thread.

The only way to understand what Shutterstock did to their direct rate payments towards contributors with the new Tier system vs the old Tier system is to compare the Average Return per Download. That means, to compare how much in actual % is the actual difference of income in the SAME number of downloads / licenses.

After the RPD data is collected and we have determined the stats, we can start creating accurate estimates of the impact of the January reset. This data is collected anonymously, in order to create an accurate estimate and manage to create a solid, objective, negotiating position with Shutterstock for those willing to stay with them.

The main idea behind this effort, is to be able to prove that the new tier system by itself, favors Shutterstock, therefore the January reset is a double down for contributors. The way that the statistics are presented now in Shutterstock's communication policy towards contributors is that Level 5 and Level 6 contributors are in fact, gaining (!), from the new tier system, therefore, it's fair and equal to reset the levels every January and let them dip the fingers to the contributors' jar.

By showing that the RPD is down, we can negotiate better in unity that at least the January reset is a double down and should be abolished as an idea, and probably be replaced with a 12 year rolling counter of our performance as contributors to determine our level.

Despite the fact that some RPD stats may appear positive, it can be considered incidental because of the sale of some ELs. Therefore, we measure both with EL and without. And also without Video sales.

In order to calculate accurately, you may need to use a paper and pencil and keep note of the amount of downloads and category sums you might be excluding from each of your monthly sales before calculating the RPD.

In that manner, please calculate & submit the following data:


My Current Level:

5

My Previous Level:
4/4 - $0.38


My last 3 month Average RPD:

(Calculate for March April and May, Total 3 month Income / Total 3 month Downloads)
0.68

June RPD:
(Calculate for June, Total Income / Total Downloads and please keep updating if possible)
0.77 +13,24%

Last 3 month average RPD without EL:
(Calculate for March April and May, Total 3 month Income / Total 3 month Downloads BUT Exclude all Enhanced, Extended or high Single licenses)
0.56

June average RPD without EL:
(Calculate for June, Total Income / Total Downloads BUT Exclude all Enhanced, Extended or high Single licenses and please keep updating if possible)
0.53 -5,36%

The current format of the spreadsheet with 3 submissions:

« Last Edit: June 09, 2020, 06:50 by astockphotographer088 »


« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2020, 05:27 »
+18
If the new structure can earn you more money, then why Shutterstock want to do it? Your data sample is so small that it is totally irrelevant. Even a Level 6 will have a dip of 20-30% at least.

anon20200611

« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2020, 05:35 »
+3
If the new structure can earn you more money, then why Shutterstock want to do it? Your data sample is so small that it is totally irrelevant. Even a Level 6 will have a dip of 20-30% at least.

Editing reason: more specific answer

There is definitely something going on. But is it so much about the tier system or the January reset? From my sole point of view (that is not enough), I feel that the January reset is the pure evil in this whole deal. To some people, the actual stats don't look all that bad. But yes, L6 contributors are looking at such large dips. Their input is surely the most important here. Because according to Shutterstock, a level 6 now "gains" even up to 10% more than before. So this thread and spreadsheet is an effort to see actual results, what contributors are going to be reporting. 
« Last Edit: June 08, 2020, 05:44 by astockphotographer088 »

« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2020, 05:39 »
+9
Total BS.

My RPD from subscriptions and OD from May to June dropped from 0,53c to 0,34c (level 4 / previous 0,38c). This represents a 36% drop.

From April to June there's a 46% drop (0,63c to June 0,34)

I've excluded the Single & Others, EL's, Videos and other factors that are a lottery and not the brunt of the income and cannot be considered with just a week in June into any estimation but if I did the June drop would even be bigger.

I won't even bother to do more calculations. It's absolutely clear that there is a HUGE cut in my income.

Either you are an exception believing to be the rule against everybody else testimonies, or you're here just to create chaos and dissent among the contributors on SS orders.

anon20200611

« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2020, 05:59 »
+1
Total BS.

My RPD from subscriptions and OD from May to June dropped from 0,53c to 0,34c (level 4 / previous 0,38c). This represents a 36% drop.

From April to June there's a 46% drop (0,63c to June 0,34)

I've excluded the Single & Others, EL's, Videos and other factors that are a lottery and not the brunt of the income and cannot be considered with just a week in June into any estimation but if I did the June drop would even be bigger.

I won't even bother to do more calculations. It's absolutely clear that there is a HUGE cut in my income.

Either you are an exception believing to be the rule against everybody else testimonies, or you're here just to create chaos and dissent among the contributors on SS orders.

Thank you for the data you submitted but I can't include it in this research because it's incomplete:

- Missing DATA for Previous 3 Month Av. RPD vs June RPD

Reference image of the spreadsheet I am currently creating:



This is the format of the spreadsheet that I am currently compiling for this thread. My data is irrelevant as I am just one person. But if a lot of contributors post their accurate data in the requested format, we can achieve a fairly democratic result, trust me. If you are lazy to do the necessary calculations, don't take up valuable forum space. Thank you.

« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2020, 06:27 »
+20
With all respect to you Charlene, this thread was created for everyone that wants to really find out what the heck is going on and the only objective way to do so is by calculating average RPDs. If you want to find out or help with this, contribute with your info in the requested format. If you want to keep flaming against Shutterstock, me or anything else that is bothering you, please do so in a different post, in a different forum even or not in a forum at all. Forums are NOT your own personal space social media, they are common grounds for CONSTRUCTIVE dialogues to take place. I have been in forums since 1996 and it's the first time I ever encountered such ignorance in any forum I have ever been a part in.

For the love of God please stop projecting and trying to take over every discussion.  "Forums are NOT your own personal space social media, they are common grounds" what the heck, you are the one trying tell everyone else who is allowed an opinion and who isn't. You even edited your first post to say you are trying to censor who is and who isn't allowed to post.

Just like in the other thread where you jumped in and attacked everyone who had already been posting then turned around and commanded everyone to be civil when you got some push back.

You have much less than 20 videos and only just over 1000 photos but think your results over a couple of days are as relevant as the endless numbers of people with massive portfolios reporting the devastating effects of this. You refuse to even look at the structural problems with the new system and are trying to push only your very limited analysis as the only valid one and everyone else must be stupid.

Well done for managing to inject division into what was a moment of solidarity I guess.

« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2020, 06:41 »
+10
If you are lazy to do the necessary calculations, don't take up valuable forum space. Thank you.

Arrogant POS.

I've presented enough data, that can be extrapolated to any month on the past 14 years I'm on SS, to show that your attempt to manipulate the contributors in favor of SS is BS.

Besides, this forum is not yours.

EDIT: Just to open a bigger hole in your personal exception case or manipulation (whichever is the case), my RPD from March, April and May is 0.85c. My RPD from June is 0,62c which represents a 27% drop.

But if we consider that I already have big sales this month that are not likely to be repeated for the rest of the month contrary to the 0,10c sales that will pile up, that 0,62c RPD will drop even further making that 27% income fall be much bigger.
« Last Edit: June 07, 2020, 06:57 by MicroVet »

« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2020, 06:43 »
+2
This astockfagget088 is SSbot and manipulator, he is here to misinform contributor community. Just ignore him. He put everybody on ignore list, he is not even reading what you write, screw him

« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2020, 07:00 »
+5
Hey you original poster, is your name Stan or Jon?

anon20200611

« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2020, 09:44 »
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If you are lazy to do the necessary calculations, don't take up valuable forum space. Thank you.

Arrogant POS.

I've presented enough data, that can be extrapolated to any month on the past 14 years I'm on SS, to show that your attempt to manipulate the contributors in favor of SS is BS.

Besides, this forum is not yours.

EDIT: Just to open a bigger hole in your personal exception case or manipulation (whichever is the case), my RPD from March, April and May is 0.85c. My RPD from June is 0,62c which represents a 27% drop.

But if we consider that I already have big sales this month that are not likely to be repeated for the rest of the month contrary to the 0,10c sales that will pile up, that 0,62c RPD will drop even further making that 27% income fall be much bigger.

I included your data, thanks for the fix. Check the screenshot at the top. Anyone is free to interpret these data as they wish.

Shelma1

« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2020, 10:22 »
+3
If the new structure can earn you more money, then why Shutterstock want to do it? Your data sample is so small that it is totally irrelevant. Even a Level 6 will have a dip of 20-30% at least.

With all respect to you Charlene, this thread was created for everyone that wants to really find out what the heck is going on and the only objective way to do so is by calculating average RPDs. If you want to find out or help with this, contribute with your info in the requested format. If you want to keep flaming against Shutterstock, me or anything else that is bothering you, please do so in a different post, in a different forum even or not in a forum at all. Forums are NOT your own personal space social media, they are common grounds for CONSTRUCTIVE dialogues to take place. I have been in forums since 1996 and it's the first time I ever encountered such ignorance in any forum I have ever been a part in.

You do realize that the Shutterstock T&Cs forbids anyone from discussing their earnings?

« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2020, 11:09 »
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If the new structure can earn you more money, then why Shutterstock want to do it? Your data sample is so small that it is totally irrelevant. Even a Level 6 will have a dip of 20-30% at least.

 I have been in forums since 1996 and it's the first time I ever encountered such ignorance in any forum I have ever been a part in.

I started in 1995 and encountered serious amount of trolls. Nothing special to see here. 
« Last Edit: June 07, 2020, 11:12 by Lizard »

anon20200611

« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2020, 11:19 »
0
You do realize that the Shutterstock T&Cs forbids anyone from discussing their earnings?

(A) If you are referring to the paragraph 14 of SS T&C, then I'm pretty sure that RPD is not mentioned in the earnings data that Shutterstock provides to a contributor and asks to be undisclosed.
(B) Anyone is welcome to give some data and do so anonymously.
(C) We are not doing so with malicious intent towards any interested party, whether it's Shutterstock or it's contributors.
(D) We are not doing so in wide publicity, like in an article or blog, but rather in a closed "biome" that only stock photographers visit in order to educate themselves.

« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2020, 11:30 »
+7
I feel like somme (angry) people here just don't want to understand what astockphotographer088 is trying to achieve : compile enough datas in order to have an objective vision on the (probably catastrophic) new RPDs and the proportion of higher licences vs subs. Afaiac I find it very interesting.

It is not because his/her June RPD is higher (for the moment) than his/her average RPD that he/she is taking position for SS. That's just a fact.

Just one remark about the datas : with the impact of the COVID-19 on the sales in march, april and may, I think it would be more relevant to compare with 2019 datas.

Anyway, here are my datas :

My Current Level:
4

My Previous Level:
2/4 - $0.33

My last 3 month Average RPD:
0.63

June RPD:
1.46 (+232%)  :o => 2 ELs, I don't expect it to resist a long time to the 0.10$ subs...

Last 3 month average RPD without EL:
0.61

June average RPD without EL:
0.30 (-50%)

« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2020, 11:31 »
+5
You do realize that the Shutterstock T&Cs forbids anyone from discussing their earnings?

(A) If you are referring to the paragraph 14 of SS T&C, then I'm pretty sure that RPD is not mentioned in the earnings data that Shutterstock provides to a contributor and asks to be undisclosed.
(B) Anyone is welcome to give some data and do so anonymously.
(C) We are not doing so with malicious intent towards any interested party, whether it's Shutterstock or it's contributors.
(D) We are not doing so in wide publicity, like in an article or blog, but rather in a closed "biome" that only stock photographers visit in order to educate themselves.
It sounds like "we" are Shutterstock employees paid to disrupt the conversations on MSG

« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2020, 11:32 »
+2
Thank you shitterstock.

Gonna buy a pony.

Shelma1

« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2020, 11:38 »
+5
I feel like somme (angry) people here just don't want to understand what astockphotographer088 is trying to achieve : compile enough datas in order to have an objective vision on the (probably catastrophic) new RPDs and the proportion of higher licences vs subs. Afaiac I find it very interesting.

It is not because his/her June RPD is higher (for the moment) than his/her average RPD that he/she is taking position for SS. That's just a fact.

Just one remark about the datas : with the impact of the COVID-19 on the sales in march, april and may, I think it would be more relevant to compare with 2019 datas.

Anyway, here are my datas :

My Current Level:
4

My Previous Level:
2/4 - $0.33

My last 3 month Average RPD:
0.63

June RPD:
1.46 (+232%)  :o => 2 ELs, I don't expect it to resist a long time to the 0.10$ subs...

Last 3 month average RPD without EL:
0.61

June average RPD without EL:
0.30 (-50%)

Omg I dont know whether to laugh or cry. Seriously...two people here have miraculously increased their RPD, in fact yours has tripled, while everyone elses has plunged? Now I know youre trolling for SS.


H2O

« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2020, 11:46 »
+5
Could astockphotographer088 actually be Stan Pavlovsky, as he is an accountant and would be able to put together this complete pile of crap.

anon20200611

« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2020, 11:56 »
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Just one remark about the datas : with the impact of the COVID-19 on the sales in march, april and may, I think it would be more relevant to compare with 2019 datas.

Thank you about your position. Appreciated. On your remark, the pandemic crisis may have affected sales numbers, but RPD could be considered somewhat neutral as it represents a ratio and not actual market trends.

anon20200611

« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2020, 11:59 »
0
Omg I dont know whether to laugh or cry. Seriously...two people here have miraculously increased their RPD, in fact yours has tripled, while everyone elses has plunged? Now I know youre trolling for SS.

Neither laugh or cry. Me and him are just average small contributors that a few EL's can dramatically change our RPD positively or negatively each month. It doesn't mean that we don't see what's going on, or that we will claim that the new transition is good. That is why the fuss we are also monitoring data without the EL's.

« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2020, 13:30 »
+7
I feel like somme (angry) people here just don't want to understand what astockphotographer088 is trying to achieve : compile enough datas in order to have an objective vision on the (probably catastrophic) new RPDs and the proportion of higher licences vs subs. Afaiac I find it very interesting.

It is not because his/her June RPD is higher (for the moment) than his/her average RPD that he/she is taking position for SS. That's just a fact.

Just one remark about the datas : with the impact of the COVID-19 on the sales in march, april and may, I think it would be more relevant to compare with 2019 datas.

Anyway, here are my datas :

My Current Level:
4

My Previous Level:
2/4 - $0.33

My last 3 month Average RPD:
0.63

June RPD:
1.46 (+232%)  :o => 2 ELs, I don't expect it to resist a long time to the 0.10$ subs...

Last 3 month average RPD without EL:
0.61

June average RPD without EL:
0.30 (-50%)

Omg I dont know whether to laugh or cry. Seriously...two people here have miraculously increased their RPD, in fact yours has tripled, while everyone elses has plunged? Now I know youre trolling for SS.
Come on, man... don't be so childish. Your 12000+ illustrations are still on sale on SS so what ? Are you supporting SS yourself ?

What about your datas ?

« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2020, 13:53 »
+2
Large SODs can easily skew the stats this early in the month. For this to have any meaning you should wait at least for the end of it.
That being said I don't understand the hostile tone of some people here. Let's not turn the SS debacle into a witch hunt. Can the admin straighten this out?

« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2020, 14:16 »
+8
Your civil and "CONSTRUCTIVE" words on this forum on past posts  :-X :

"So I should disable my port and not pay my rent this month because of your communist nonsense?"
"You people remind me of the American burger market, that consumers thought that 1/4 was bigger than 1/3 ... because of the ... 4>3.
Learn some math and then come to the business."
"I'm out of this sentimental bs that some people that can't calculate throw at me"


If you want "constructive" posts learn first to follow what you preach, and don't put yourself on a higher pedestal than the rest of the other forum participants. Only then you will earn the respect of the community. And if your skin is too sensitive to some little dialective scratches you might not be in the right place.


If the new structure can earn you more money, then why Shutterstock want to do it? Your data sample is so small that it is totally irrelevant. Even a Level 6 will have a dip of 20-30% at least.

With all respect to you Charlene, this thread was created for everyone that wants to really find out what the heck is going on and the only objective way to do so is by calculating average RPDs. If you want to find out or help with this, contribute with your info in the requested format. If you want to keep flaming against Shutterstock, me or anything else that is bothering you, please do so in a different post, in a different forum even or not in a forum at all. Forums are NOT your own personal space social media, they are common grounds for CONSTRUCTIVE dialogues to take place. I have been in forums since 1996 and it's the first time I ever encountered such ignorance in any forum I have ever been a part in.

« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2020, 15:53 »
+3
Sometimes I don't understand what's wrong with people. I am curious too of the objective new RPD but I believe it's too early in the month to really see the new one and it would make more sense to calculate this after three months. I am willing to post my data later on so we can get more relevant information of our datas.

anon20200611

« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2020, 16:08 »
0
Your civil and "CONSTRUCTIVE" words on this forum on past posts  :-X :

I believe in the words I say. No regrets here and by quoting me it doesn't mean anything more than your ability to copy-paste. But since you mentioned a pedestal. I'll tell you a funny story about me on a pedestal and it may, or may not reflect to the current situation in this thread:

In middle school, I was about 11 years old. I was in a private school, where supposingly the elite of the town was sending their kids. Lawyers kids, doctors kid, businessmen kids ... the "future of our country" ... that sort of stuff. Anyway I never thought of myself like the elite of anything, I grew up in the village and I loved hiking the mountain or interacting with animals. I wasn't stupid though, my iq was measured high. While in that school, despite the fact that I was like Mowgli, climbing the trees all the time, at some point I felt like I wanted to get involved to school politics for the feeling of greater good. We had a council of 15 students that tended to the student affairs with the school in general. It was mostly a place for the popular kids then but I was too naive at the time, because I wasn't so popular. You see, all the kids were mostly concerned with how others dressed, brand names etc. So, I had noticed a problem in the school, kind of important but also kind of taboo. I had noticed that in the school toilets, the administration never bought or installed toilet paper rolls. Crazy, right?

So I went up to the actual pedestal of the school morning gathering, in front of some teachers, the principals and 300 kids, to announce my candidacy. During that short speech I generally said that I was worth to be elected because I cared about school facilities to function properly. As an example, I said that toilets didn't have toilet paper. At that moment, 300 kids burst into laughing, including the teachers and the principal. Of course I felt humiliated as I sincerely didn't expect that reaction. I wrapped up my speech and left that pedestal. I wasn't voted to be in the council.

For the 6 years I was in that school, nobody ever mentioned it and toilet paper was also never installed. I can't even begin to imagine the constipation that must have took place there. Really sad. But you know what, it taught me a lot about the world. It came to be one of the most illuminating moments of my life. Do you know how much ridicule one can receive for saying the right thing, but first? The other people usually laugh or diminish and they will only admit the rightness of the right words only in their own conversations, afterwards. But never to the person that actually said the right thing first. But people that speak right, are kind of used to it anyway. Anything you might say to me, won't beat what I was made to be or do. I am far stronger in supporting my opinions that you will ever be and it shows. So you can either follow my advice and post your stats to contribute to this effort, or go ahead and go on living unwiped like some other dudes that I know of.



 

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