Author Topic: Accurate Calculations of OLD RPD vs JUNE RPD (Constant Updates) (Read 19505 times)

anon20200611 · « **on:** June 07, 2020, 03:57 »

Can an admin please watch over this thread and clean it up from all non-data-submitting posts? And also the data submitting posts that are not correctly submitted?

After enough valid data is collected I will create and post the spreadsheet at the top of this thread.

The only way to understand what Shutterstock did to their direct rate payments towards contributors with the new Tier system vs the old Tier system is to compare the Average Return per Download. That means, to compare how much in actual % is the actual difference of income in the SAME number of downloads / licenses.

After the RPD data is collected and we have determined the stats, we can start creating accurate estimates of the impact of the January reset. This data is collected anonymously, in order to create an accurate estimate and manage to create a solid, objective, negotiating position with Shutterstock for those willing to stay with them.

The main idea behind this effort, is to be able to prove that the new tier system by itself, favors Shutterstock, therefore the January reset is a double down for contributors. The way that the statistics are presented now in Shutterstock's communication policy towards contributors is that Level 5 and Level 6 contributors are in fact, gaining (!), from the new tier system, therefore, it's fair and equal to reset the levels every January and let them dip the fingers to the contributors' jar.

By showing that the RPD is down, we can negotiate better in unity that at least the January reset is a double down and should be abolished as an idea, and probably be replaced with a 12 year rolling counter of our performance as contributors to determine our level.

Despite the fact that some RPD stats may appear positive, it can be considered incidental because of the sale of some ELs. Therefore, we measure both with EL and without. And also without Video sales.

In order to calculate accurately, you may need to use a paper and pencil and keep note of the amount of downloads and category sums you might be excluding from each of your monthly sales before calculating the RPD.

In that manner, please calculate & submit the following data:

My Current Level:
5

My Previous Level:
4/4 - $0.38

My last 3 month Average RPD:
(Calculate for March April and May, Total 3 month Income / Total 3 month Downloads)
0.68

June RPD:
(Calculate for June, Total Income / Total Downloads and please keep updating if possible)
0.77 +13,24%

Last 3 month average RPD without EL:
(Calculate for March April and May, Total 3 month Income / Total 3 month Downloads BUT Exclude all Enhanced, Extended or high Single licenses)
0.56

June average RPD without EL:
(Calculate for June, Total Income / Total Downloads BUT Exclude all Enhanced, Extended or high Single licenses and please keep updating if possible)
0.53 -5,36%

The current format of the spreadsheet with 3 submissions:

Charlene · « **Reply #1 on:** June 07, 2020, 05:27 »

If the new structure can earn you more money, then why Shutterstock want to do it? Your data sample is so small that it is totally irrelevant. Even a Level 6 will have a dip of 20-30% at least.

anon20200611 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 07, 2020, 05:35 »

Quote from: Charlene on June 07, 2020, 05:27

If the new structure can earn you more money, then why Shutterstock want to do it? Your data sample is so small that it is totally irrelevant. Even a Level 6 will have a dip of 20-30% at least.

Editing reason: more specific answer

There is definitely something going on. But is it so much about the tier system or the January reset? From my sole point of view (that is not enough), I feel that the January reset is the pure evil in this whole deal. To some people, the actual stats don't look all that bad. But yes, L6 contributors are looking at such large dips. Their input is surely the most important here. Because according to Shutterstock, a level 6 now "gains" even up to 10% more than before. So this thread and spreadsheet is an effort to see actual results, what contributors are going to be reporting.

MicroVet · « **Reply #3 on:** June 07, 2020, 05:39 »

Total BS.

My RPD from subscriptions and OD from May to June dropped from 0,53c to 0,34c (level 4 / previous 0,38c). This represents a 36% drop.

From April to June there's a 46% drop (0,63c to June 0,34)

I've excluded the Single & Others, EL's, Videos and other factors that are a lottery and not the brunt of the income and cannot be considered with just a week in June into any estimation but if I did the June drop would even be bigger.

I won't even bother to do more calculations. It's absolutely clear that there is a HUGE cut in my income.

Either you are an exception believing to be the rule against everybody else testimonies, or you're here just to create chaos and dissent among the contributors on SS orders.

anon20200611 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 07, 2020, 05:59 »

Quote from: MicroVet on June 07, 2020, 05:39

Total BS.

My RPD from subscriptions and OD from May to June dropped from 0,53c to 0,34c (level 4 / previous 0,38c). This represents a 36% drop.

From April to June there's a 46% drop (0,63c to June 0,34)

I've excluded the Single & Others, EL's, Videos and other factors that are a lottery and not the brunt of the income and cannot be considered with just a week in June into any estimation but if I did the June drop would even be bigger.

I won't even bother to do more calculations. It's absolutely clear that there is a HUGE cut in my income.

Either you are an exception believing to be the rule against everybody else testimonies, or you're here just to create chaos and dissent among the contributors on SS orders.

Thank you for the data you submitted but I can't include it in this research because it's incomplete:

- Missing DATA for Previous 3 Month Av. RPD vs June RPD

Reference image of the spreadsheet I am currently creating:

This is the format of the spreadsheet that I am currently compiling for this thread. My data is irrelevant as I am just one person. But if a lot of contributors post their accurate data in the requested format, we can achieve a fairly democratic result, trust me. If you are lazy to do the necessary calculations, don't take up valuable forum space. Thank you.

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #5 on:** June 07, 2020, 06:27 »

Quote from: astockphotographer088 on June 07, 2020, 05:35

With all respect to you Charlene, this thread was created for everyone that wants to really find out what the heck is going on and the only objective way to do so is by calculating average RPDs. If you want to find out or help with this, contribute with your info in the requested format. If you want to keep flaming against Shutterstock, me or anything else that is bothering you, please do so in a different post, in a different forum even or not in a forum at all. Forums are NOT your own personal space social media, they are common grounds for CONSTRUCTIVE dialogues to take place. I have been in forums since 1996 and it's the first time I ever encountered such ignorance in any forum I have ever been a part in.

For the love of God please stop projecting and trying to take over every discussion. "Forums are NOT your own personal space social media, they are common grounds" what the heck, you are the one trying tell everyone else who is allowed an opinion and who isn't. You even edited your first post to say you are trying to censor who is and who isn't allowed to post.

Just like in the other thread where you jumped in and attacked everyone who had already been posting then turned around and commanded everyone to be civil when you got some push back.

You have much less than 20 videos and only just over 1000 photos but think your results over a couple of days are as relevant as the endless numbers of people with massive portfolios reporting the devastating effects of this. You refuse to even look at the structural problems with the new system and are trying to push only your very limited analysis as the only valid one and everyone else must be stupid.

Well done for managing to inject division into what was a moment of solidarity I guess.

MicroVet · « **Reply #6 on:** June 07, 2020, 06:41 »

Quote from: astockphotographer088 on June 07, 2020, 05:59

If you are lazy to do the necessary calculations, don't take up valuable forum space. Thank you.

Arrogant POS.

I've presented enough data, that can be extrapolated to any month on the past 14 years I'm on SS, to show that your attempt to manipulate the contributors in favor of SS is BS.

Besides, this forum is not yours.

EDIT: Just to open a bigger hole in your personal exception case or manipulation (whichever is the case), my RPD from March, April and May is 0.85c. My RPD from June is 0,62c which represents a 27% drop.

But if we consider that I already have big sales this month that are not likely to be repeated for the rest of the month contrary to the 0,10c sales that will pile up, that 0,62c RPD will drop even further making that 27% income fall be much bigger.

pics2 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 07, 2020, 06:43 »

This astockfagget088 is SSbot and manipulator, he is here to misinform contributor community. Just ignore him. He put everybody on ignore list, he is not even reading what you write, screw him

ravens · « **Reply #8 on:** June 07, 2020, 07:00 »

Hey you original poster, is your name Stan or Jon?

anon20200611 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 07, 2020, 09:44 »

Quote from: MicroVet on June 07, 2020, 06:41

Quote from: astockphotographer088 on June 07, 2020, 05:59
If you are lazy to do the necessary calculations, don't take up valuable forum space. Thank you.

Arrogant POS.

I've presented enough data, that can be extrapolated to any month on the past 14 years I'm on SS, to show that your attempt to manipulate the contributors in favor of SS is BS.

Besides, this forum is not yours.

EDIT: Just to open a bigger hole in your personal exception case or manipulation (whichever is the case), my RPD from March, April and May is 0.85c. My RPD from June is 0,62c which represents a 27% drop.

But if we consider that I already have big sales this month that are not likely to be repeated for the rest of the month contrary to the 0,10c sales that will pile up, that 0,62c RPD will drop even further making that 27% income fall be much bigger.

I included your data, thanks for the fix. Check the screenshot at the top. Anyone is free to interpret these data as they wish.

Shelma1 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 07, 2020, 10:22 »

Quote from: astockphotographer088 on June 07, 2020, 05:35

Quote from: Charlene on June 07, 2020, 05:27
If the new structure can earn you more money, then why Shutterstock want to do it? Your data sample is so small that it is totally irrelevant. Even a Level 6 will have a dip of 20-30% at least.

With all respect to you Charlene, this thread was created for everyone that wants to really find out what the heck is going on and the only objective way to do so is by calculating average RPDs. If you want to find out or help with this, contribute with your info in the requested format. If you want to keep flaming against Shutterstock, me or anything else that is bothering you, please do so in a different post, in a different forum even or not in a forum at all. Forums are NOT your own personal space social media, they are common grounds for CONSTRUCTIVE dialogues to take place. I have been in forums since 1996 and it's the first time I ever encountered such ignorance in any forum I have ever been a part in.

You do realize that the Shutterstock T&Cs forbids anyone from discussing their earnings?

Lizard · « **Reply #11 on:** June 07, 2020, 11:09 »

Quote from: astockphotographer088 on June 07, 2020, 05:35

Quote from: Charlene on June 07, 2020, 05:27
If the new structure can earn you more money, then why Shutterstock want to do it? Your data sample is so small that it is totally irrelevant. Even a Level 6 will have a dip of 20-30% at least.

I have been in forums since 1996 and it's the first time I ever encountered such ignorance in any forum I have ever been a part in.

I started in 1995 and encountered serious amount of trolls. Nothing special to see here.

anon20200611 · « **Reply #12 on:** June 07, 2020, 11:19 »

Quote from: Shelma1 on June 07, 2020, 10:22

You do realize that the Shutterstock T&Cs forbids anyone from discussing their earnings?

(A) If you are referring to the paragraph 14 of SS T&C, then I'm pretty sure that RPD is not mentioned in the earnings data that Shutterstock provides to a contributor and asks to be undisclosed.
(B) Anyone is welcome to give some data and do so anonymously.
(C) We are not doing so with malicious intent towards any interested party, whether it's Shutterstock or it's contributors.
(D) We are not doing so in wide publicity, like in an article or blog, but rather in a closed "biome" that only stock photographers visit in order to educate themselves.

blue · « **Reply #13 on:** June 07, 2020, 11:30 »

I feel like somme (angry) people here just don't want to understand what astockphotographer088 is trying to achieve : compile enough datas in order to have an objective vision on the (probably catastrophic) new RPDs and the proportion of higher licences vs subs. Afaiac I find it very interesting.

It is not because his/her June RPD is higher (for the moment) than his/her average RPD that he/she is taking position for SS. That's just a fact.

Just one remark about the datas : with the impact of the COVID-19 on the sales in march, april and may, I think it would be more relevant to compare with 2019 datas.

Anyway, here are my datas :

My Current Level:
4

My Previous Level:
2/4 - $0.33

My last 3 month Average RPD:
0.63

June RPD:
1.46 (+232%)

=> 2 ELs, I don't expect it to resist a long time to the 0.10$ subs...

Last 3 month average RPD without EL:
0.61

June average RPD without EL:
0.30 (-50%)

Reckless · « **Reply #14 on:** June 07, 2020, 11:31 »

Quote from: astockphotographer088 on June 07, 2020, 11:19

Quote from: Shelma1 on June 07, 2020, 10:22
You do realize that the Shutterstock T&Cs forbids anyone from discussing their earnings?

(A) If you are referring to the paragraph 14 of SS T&C, then I'm pretty sure that RPD is not mentioned in the earnings data that Shutterstock provides to a contributor and asks to be undisclosed.
(B) Anyone is welcome to give some data and do so anonymously.
(C) We are not doing so with malicious intent towards any interested party, whether it's Shutterstock or it's contributors.
(D) We are not doing so in wide publicity, like in an article or blog, but rather in a closed "biome" that only stock photographers visit in order to educate themselves.

It sounds like "we" are Shutterstock employees paid to disrupt the conversations on MSG

trabuco · « **Reply #15 on:** June 07, 2020, 11:32 »

Thank you shitterstock.

Gonna buy a pony.

Shelma1 · « **Reply #16 on:** June 07, 2020, 11:38 »

Quote from: blue on June 07, 2020, 11:30

I feel like somme (angry) people here just don't want to understand what astockphotographer088 is trying to achieve : compile enough datas in order to have an objective vision on the (probably catastrophic) new RPDs and the proportion of higher licences vs subs. Afaiac I find it very interesting.

It is not because his/her June RPD is higher (for the moment) than his/her average RPD that he/she is taking position for SS. That's just a fact.

Just one remark about the datas : with the impact of the COVID-19 on the sales in march, april and may, I think it would be more relevant to compare with 2019 datas.

Anyway, here are my datas :

My Current Level:
4

My Previous Level:
2/4 - $0.33

My last 3 month Average RPD:
0.63

June RPD:
1.46 (+232%) => 2 ELs, I don't expect it to resist a long time to the 0.10$ subs...

Last 3 month average RPD without EL:
0.61

June average RPD without EL:
0.30 (-50%)

Omg I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. Seriously...two people here have miraculously increased their RPD, in fact yours has tripled, while everyone else’s has plunged? Now I know you’re trolling for SS.

H2O · « **Reply #17 on:** June 07, 2020, 11:46 »

Could astockphotographer088 actually be Stan Pavlovsky, as he is an accountant and would be able to put together this complete pile of crap.

anon20200611 · « **Reply #18 on:** June 07, 2020, 11:56 »

Quote from: blue on June 07, 2020, 11:30

Just one remark about the datas : with the impact of the COVID-19 on the sales in march, april and may, I think it would be more relevant to compare with 2019 datas.

Thank you about your position. Appreciated. On your remark, the pandemic crisis may have affected sales numbers, but RPD could be considered somewhat neutral as it represents a ratio and not actual market trends.

anon20200611 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 07, 2020, 11:59 »

Quote from: Shelma1 on June 07, 2020, 11:38

Omg I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. Seriously...two people here have miraculously increased their RPD, in fact yours has tripled, while everyone else’s has plunged? Now I know you’re trolling for SS.

Neither laugh or cry. Me and him are just average small contributors that a few EL's can dramatically change our RPD positively or negatively each month. It doesn't mean that we don't see what's going on, or that we will claim that the new transition is good. That is why the fuss we are also monitoring data without the EL's.

blue · « **Reply #20 on:** June 07, 2020, 13:30 »

Quote from: Shelma1 on June 07, 2020, 11:38

Quote from: blue on June 07, 2020, 11:30
I feel like somme (angry) people here just don't want to understand what astockphotographer088 is trying to achieve : compile enough datas in order to have an objective vision on the (probably catastrophic) new RPDs and the proportion of higher licences vs subs. Afaiac I find it very interesting.

It is not because his/her June RPD is higher (for the moment) than his/her average RPD that he/she is taking position for SS. That's just a fact.

Just one remark about the datas : with the impact of the COVID-19 on the sales in march, april and may, I think it would be more relevant to compare with 2019 datas.

Anyway, here are my datas :

My Current Level:
4

My Previous Level:
2/4 - $0.33

My last 3 month Average RPD:
0.63

June RPD:
1.46 (+232%) => 2 ELs, I don't expect it to resist a long time to the 0.10$ subs...

Last 3 month average RPD without EL:
0.61

June average RPD without EL:
0.30 (-50%)

Omg I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. Seriously...two people here have miraculously increased their RPD, in fact yours has tripled, while everyone else’s has plunged? Now I know you’re trolling for SS.

Come on, man... don't be so childish. Your 12000+ illustrations are still on sale on SS so what ? Are you supporting SS yourself ?

What about your datas ?

thx9000 · « **Reply #21 on:** June 07, 2020, 13:53 »

Large SODs can easily skew the stats this early in the month. For this to have any meaning you should wait at least for the end of it.
That being said I don't understand the hostile tone of some people here. Let's not turn the SS debacle into a witch hunt. Can the admin straighten this out?

everest · « **Reply #22 on:** June 07, 2020, 14:16 »

Your civil and "CONSTRUCTIVE" words on this forum on past posts

:

"So I should disable my port and not pay my rent this month because of your communist nonsense?"
"You people remind me of the American burger market, that consumers thought that 1/4 was bigger than 1/3 ... because of the ... 4>3.
Learn some math and then come to the business."
"I'm out of this sentimental bs that some people that can't calculate throw at me"

If you want "constructive" posts learn first to follow what you preach, and don't put yourself on a higher pedestal than the rest of the other forum participants. Only then you will earn the respect of the community. And if your skin is too sensitive to some little dialective scratches you might not be in the right place.

Quote from: astockphotographer088 on June 07, 2020, 05:35

Quote from: Charlene on June 07, 2020, 05:27
If the new structure can earn you more money, then why Shutterstock want to do it? Your data sample is so small that it is totally irrelevant. Even a Level 6 will have a dip of 20-30% at least.

With all respect to you Charlene, this thread was created for everyone that wants to really find out what the heck is going on and the only objective way to do so is by calculating average RPDs. If you want to find out or help with this, contribute with your info in the requested format. If you want to keep flaming against Shutterstock, me or anything else that is bothering you, please do so in a different post, in a different forum even or not in a forum at all. Forums are NOT your own personal space social media, they are common grounds for CONSTRUCTIVE dialogues to take place. I have been in forums since 1996 and it's the first time I ever encountered such ignorance in any forum I have ever been a part in.

medveh · « **Reply #23 on:** June 07, 2020, 15:53 »

Sometimes I don't understand what's wrong with people. I am curious too of the objective new RPD but I believe it's too early in the month to really see the new one and it would make more sense to calculate this after three months. I am willing to post my data later on so we can get more relevant information of our datas.

anon20200611 · « **Reply #24 on:** June 07, 2020, 16:08 »

Quote from: everest on June 07, 2020, 14:16

Your civil and "CONSTRUCTIVE" words on this forum on past posts :

I believe in the words I say. No regrets here and by quoting me it doesn't mean anything more than your ability to copy-paste. But since you mentioned a pedestal. I'll tell you a funny story about me on a pedestal and it may, or may not reflect to the current situation in this thread:

In middle school, I was about 11 years old. I was in a private school, where supposingly the elite of the town was sending their kids. Lawyers kids, doctors kid, businessmen kids ... the "future of our country" ... that sort of stuff. Anyway I never thought of myself like the elite of anything, I grew up in the village and I loved hiking the mountain or interacting with animals. I wasn't stupid though, my iq was measured high. While in that school, despite the fact that I was like Mowgli, climbing the trees all the time, at some point I felt like I wanted to get involved to school politics for the feeling of greater good. We had a council of 15 students that tended to the student affairs with the school in general. It was mostly a place for the popular kids then but I was too naive at the time, because I wasn't so popular. You see, all the kids were mostly concerned with how others dressed, brand names etc. So, I had noticed a problem in the school, kind of important but also kind of taboo. I had noticed that in the school toilets, the administration never bought or installed toilet paper rolls. Crazy, right?

So I went up to the actual pedestal of the school morning gathering, in front of some teachers, the principals and 300 kids, to announce my candidacy. During that short speech I generally said that I was worth to be elected because I cared about school facilities to function properly. As an example, I said that toilets didn't have toilet paper. At that moment, 300 kids burst into laughing, including the teachers and the principal. Of course I felt humiliated as I sincerely didn't expect that reaction. I wrapped up my speech and left that pedestal. I wasn't voted to be in the council.

For the 6 years I was in that school, nobody ever mentioned it and toilet paper was also never installed. I can't even begin to imagine the constipation that must have took place there. Really sad. But you know what, it taught me a lot about the world. It came to be one of the most illuminating moments of my life. Do you know how much ridicule one can receive for saying the right thing, but first? The other people usually laugh or diminish and they will only admit the rightness of the right words only in their own conversations, afterwards. But never to the person that actually said the right thing first. But people that speak right, are kind of used to it anyway. Anything you might say to me, won't beat what I was made to be or do. I am far stronger in supporting my opinions that you will ever be and it shows. So you can either follow my advice and post your stats to contribute to this effort, or go ahead and go on living unwiped like some other dudes that I know of.

obj owl · « **Reply #25 on:** June 07, 2020, 16:21 »

Quote from: astockphotographer088 on June 07, 2020, 16:08

Quote from: everest on June 07, 2020, 14:16
Your civil and "CONSTRUCTIVE" words on this forum on past posts :

I believe in the words I say. No regrets here and by quoting me it doesn't mean anything more than your ability to copy-paste. But since you mentioned a pedestal. I'll tell you a funny story about me on a pedestal and it may, or may not reflect to the current situation in this thread:

In middle school, I was about 11 years old. I was in a private school, where supposingly the elite of the town was sending their kids. Lawyers kids, doctors kid, businessmen kids ... the "future of our country" ... that sort of stuff. Anyway I never thought of myself like the elite of anything, I grew up in the village and I loved hiking the mountain or interacting with animals. I wasn't stupid though, my iq was measured high. While in that school, despite the fact that I was like Mowgli, climbing the trees all the time, at some point I felt like I wanted to get involved to school politics for the feeling of greater good. We had a council of 15 students that tended to the student affairs with the school in general. It was mostly a place for the popular kids then but I was too naive at the time, because I wasn't so popular. You see, all the kids were mostly concerned with how others dressed, brand names etc. So, I had noticed a problem in the school, kind of important but also kind of taboo. I had noticed that in the school toilets, the administration never bought or installed toilet paper rolls. Crazy, right?

So I went up to the actual pedestal of the school morning gathering, in front of some teachers, the principals and 300 kids, to announce my candidacy. During that short speech I generally said that I was worth to be elected because I cared about school facilities to function properly. As an example, I said that toilets didn't have toilet paper. At that moment, 300 kids burst into laughing, including the teachers and the principal. Of course I felt humiliated as I sincerely didn't expect that reaction. I wrapped up my speech and left that pedestal. I wasn't voted to be in the council.

For the 6 years I was in that school, nobody ever mentioned it and toilet paper was also never installed. I can't even begin to imagine the constipation that must have took place there. Really sad. But you know what, it taught me a lot about the world. It came to be one of the most illuminating moments of my life. Do you know how much ridicule one can receive for saying the right thing, but first? The other people usually laugh or diminish and they will only admit the rightness of the right words only in their own conversations, afterwards. But never to the person that actually said the right thing first. But people that speak right, are kind of used to it anyway. Anything you might say to me, won't beat what I was made to be or do. I am far stronger in supporting my opinions that you will ever be and it shows. So you can either follow my advice and post your stats to contribute to this effort, or go ahead and go on living unwiped like some other dudes that I know of.

I think your stats or at least the paper they are written on are only good for one thing. They will be false due to the number of deactivated accounts images not uploaded, you are trying to duplicate something that no longer exists.

H2O · « **Reply #26 on:** June 07, 2020, 18:40 »

Quote from: everest on June 07, 2020, 14:16

Your civil and "CONSTRUCTIVE" words on this forum on past posts :

"So I should disable my port and not pay my rent this month because of your communist nonsense?"
"You people remind me of the American burger market, that consumers thought that 1/4 was bigger than 1/3 ... because of the ... 4>3.
Learn some math and then come to the business."
"I'm out of this sentimental bs that some people that can't calculate throw at me"

If you want "constructive" posts learn first to follow what you preach, and don't put yourself on a higher pedestal than the rest of the other forum participants. Only then you will earn the respect of the community. And if your skin is too sensitive to some little dialective scratches you might not be in the right place.

Better to die with honour than to live as a slave.

I have turned down major accounts because of honour, I do not suffer fools gladly or work for nothing.

If everyone did this then we would not have a problem, grow some and disable now, or soon, or forever regret the stream of history that has swept you away.

Maths and communism have nothing to do with this, it is human nature not to work excessively hard for no recompense.

I am Spartacus is a refrain that everyone should remember.

leaf · « **Reply #27 on:** June 08, 2020, 01:00 »

I've removed two posts that were nothing more than shouting insults. If we are going to discuss something, then we need to discuss it - not fire insults back and forth.

anon20200611 · « **Reply #28 on:** June 08, 2020, 02:20 »

Quote from: medveh on June 07, 2020, 15:53

Sometimes I don't understand what's wrong with people. I am curious too of the objective new RPD but I believe it's too early in the month to really see the new one and it would make more sense to calculate this after three months. I am willing to post my data later on so we can get more relevant information of our datas.

That's reasonable, but rpd is a ratio, and as such, it has already transformed from the first thousands of downloads. From where it actually is now (and what Shutterstostock administration currently sees), I believe there will be little to no deviation to where it will also be in 1 month or 3. What I'm saying is that with enough samples, we can get a clearer picture, even now.

gameover · « **Reply #29 on:** June 08, 2020, 06:42 »

Quote from: astockphotographer088 on June 08, 2020, 02:20

Quote from: medveh on June 07, 2020, 15:53
Sometimes I don't understand what's wrong with people. I am curious too of the objective new RPD but I believe it's too early in the month to really see the new one and it would make more sense to calculate this after three months. I am willing to post my data later on so we can get more relevant information of our datas.

That's reasonable, but rpd is a ratio, and as such, it has already transformed from the first thousands of downloads. From where it actually is now (and what Shutterstostock administration currently sees), I believe there will be little to no deviation to where it will also be in 1 month or 3. What I'm saying is that with enough samples, we can get a clearer picture, even now.

Until now I was silent. I happen to have a master in physics and as such I'm supposed to be familiar with statistics and to know how to use it correctly.
Yours doesn't look like statistics for dummies, as much as statistics for morons. If you count the pimples on your face you'll possibly get a similarly plausible forecast.
Strangely enough your desperate arguments look very much like what I would expect of a Shuttertroll.

anon20200611 · « **Reply #30 on:** June 08, 2020, 07:33 »

Quote from: gameover on June 08, 2020, 06:42

Until now I was silent. I happen to have a master in physics and as such I'm supposed to be familiar with statistics and to know how to use it correctly.
Yours doesn't look like statistics for dummies, as much as statistics for morons. If you count the pimples on your face you'll possibly get a similarly plausible forecast.
Strangely enough your desperate arguments look very much like what I would expect of a Shuttertroll.

Better keep on staying silent. The only troll here in here is you, interfering with a small percentage of us that try to gather some objective info and using us as a vent to your misfortune. I am not your enemy, therefore don't address me as such and show some respect, as it could may have reflected the fact that you are "educated". Apparently your university degree wasn't put in the best use if the only uses you found for it were to be mentioned in forums to present you as an authority about anything. If you had any better idea about how to find out in approximation how much is the real cut, you would have said so. But you didn't. You only came to throw more insults.

Dumc · « **Reply #31 on:** June 08, 2020, 07:39 »

Quote from: astockphotographer088 on June 08, 2020, 07:33

Quote from: gameover on June 08, 2020, 06:42
Until now I was silent. I happen to have a master in physics and as such I'm supposed to be familiar with statistics and to know how to use it correctly.
Yours doesn't look like statistics for dummies, as much as statistics for morons. If you count the pimples on your face you'll possibly get a similarly plausible forecast.
Strangely enough your desperate arguments look very much like what I would expect of a Shuttertroll.

Better keep on staying silent. The only troll here in here is you, interfering with a small percentage of us that try to gather some objective info and using us as a vent to your misfortune. I am not your enemy, therefore don't address me as such and show some respect, as it could may have reflected the fact that you are "educated". Apparently your university degree wasn't put in the best use if the only uses you found for it were to be mentioned in forums to present you as an authority about anything. If you had any better idea about how to find out in approximation how much is the real cut, you would have said so. But you didn't. You only came to throw more insults.

Stan, is that you?

gameover · « **Reply #32 on:** June 08, 2020, 07:52 »

Quote from: astockphotographer088 on June 08, 2020, 07:33

Quote from: gameover on June 08, 2020, 06:42
Until now I was silent. I happen to have a master in physics and as such I'm supposed to be familiar with statistics and to know how to use it correctly.
Yours doesn't look like statistics for dummies, as much as statistics for morons. If you count the pimples on your face you'll possibly get a similarly plausible forecast.
Strangely enough your desperate arguments look very much like what I would expect of a Shuttertroll.

Better keep on staying silent. The only troll here in here is you, interfering with a small percentage of us that try to gather some objective info and using us as a vent to your misfortune. I am not your enemy, therefore don't address me as such and show some respect, as it could may have reflected the fact that you are "educated". Apparently your university degree wasn't put in the best use if the only uses you found for it were to be mentioned in forums to present you as an authority about anything. If you had any better idea about how to find out in approximation how much is the real cut, you would have said so. But you didn't. You only came to throw more insults.

Oh yes. you're right: I have a few more sensible uses for my professional education. But, alas, seeing statistics so badly mishandled 'pour épater la galerie' makes my heart bleed.
However, if it may comfort you, you're not the only one...

anon20200611 · « **Reply #33 on:** June 08, 2020, 08:02 »

Quote from: gameover on June 08, 2020, 07:52

Quote from: astockphotographer088 on June 08, 2020, 07:33
Quote from: gameover on June 08, 2020, 06:42
Until now I was silent. I happen to have a master in physics and as such I'm supposed to be familiar with statistics and to know how to use it correctly.
Yours doesn't look like statistics for dummies, as much as statistics for morons. If you count the pimples on your face you'll possibly get a similarly plausible forecast.
Strangely enough your desperate arguments look very much like what I would expect of a Shuttertroll.

Better keep on staying silent. The only troll here in here is you, interfering with a small percentage of us that try to gather some objective info and using us as a vent to your misfortune. I am not your enemy, therefore don't address me as such and show some respect, as it could may have reflected the fact that you are "educated". Apparently your university degree wasn't put in the best use if the only uses you found for it were to be mentioned in forums to present you as an authority about anything. If you had any better idea about how to find out in approximation how much is the real cut, you would have said so. But you didn't. You only came to throw more insults.

Oh yes. you're right: I have a few more sensible uses for my professional education. But, alas, seeing statistics so badly mishandled 'pour épater la galerie' makes my heart bleed.
However, if it may comfort you, you're not the only one...

Showing off? Are you even serious right now? I am only truly interested to share and see what others share about our average reduction in our S+OD rpd. Mine right now is -5,36%, a week ago it was even -29%, in the weekend for a short time it even settled briefly at 0% because of OD sales that are sold significantly at a higher price than before. As it changes, I keep updating. But I thought that if it was 20 or 50 people giving their samples, then we could find some sort of an average.

BigLeague · « **Reply #34 on:** June 08, 2020, 08:09 »

just looking at my sales, 1st June (very early in the day) i had a $70 (ish) dollar image commission.

Ive just realised, i'll never see a sale like that again at SS.

The best you could ever get (on the new rates) is $39.80. Thats a chop at the knees.

anon20200611 · « **Reply #35 on:** June 08, 2020, 08:18 »

Quote from: BigLeague on June 08, 2020, 08:09

just looking at my sales, 1st June (very early in the day) i had a $70 (ish) dollar image commission.

Ive just realised, i'll never see a sale like that again at SS.

The best you could ever get (on the new rates) is $39.80. Thats a chop at the knees.

This is not completely accurate. If you are now L6, and you sell an enhanced license in the 2 images pack ($199) then the 40% will earn you $39.8 as you correctly say. But the previous highest tier was that you received 30% from these same images, meaning, $34.7 (?) if I am not mistaken. Those sales that brought back $70 or $85 to the contributors are different types of sales that Shutterstock offers at custom deals that they do with some customers. They are not part of their standard price list.

Reckless · « **Reply #36 on:** June 08, 2020, 09:22 »

On June 3 and June 4, ShutterStock surprised me with some on demand sales of 2.45. I was happy to see them but now think they were setting us up for astockphotographer088 to come in here and try getting us to do some early averages.

sgoodwin4813 · « **Reply #37 on:** June 08, 2020, 10:01 »

I have maintained accurate records of microstock sales and several statistics including RPDL since I started in 2009. For me, average RPDL of SS for all of last year was $0.92. The highest ever was 2017 at $1.36 and the lowest was 2009 at $0.32. So far this month it is $0.26. Average number of sales per month peaked for me in 2014 and declined to about 45% of the peak last year. The complicated presentation of the OP makes no sense to me and could be skewed by a few high-value sales. My numbers so far this month have RPDL lower than it was when I started in 2009. Of course that will change if I get some ELs or high-value SODs but the highest I've had so far this month is $2.50 so am not expecting much of a change. RPDL of $0.26 is the lowest of all the agencies I contribute to right now, with the exception of Canva which was only $0.20 after their change last month (I am not counting their bonus payments which will go away in five months). The SS RPDL will be even lower when we all drop down to level 1 in January - at that point it will be the worst of all the agencies (even iS!) and that is a fact.

anon20200611 · « **Reply #38 on:** June 08, 2020, 10:22 »

Quote from: sgoodwin4813 on June 08, 2020, 10:01

I have maintained accurate records of microstock sales and several statistics including RPDL since I started in 2009. For me, average RPDL of SS for all of last year was $0.92. The highest ever was 2017 at $1.36 and the lowest was 2009 at $0.32. So far this month it is $0.26. Average number of sales per month peaked for me in 2014 and declined to about 45% of the peak last year. The complicated presentation of the OP makes no sense to me and could be skewed by a few high-value sales. My numbers so far this month have RPDL lower than it was when I started in 2009. Of course that will change if I get some ELs or high-value SODs but the highest I've had so far this month is $2.50 so am not expecting much of a change. RPDL of $0.26 is the lowest of all the agencies I contribute to right now, with the exception of Canva which was only $0.20 after their change last month (I am not counting their bonus payments which will go away in five months). The SS RPDL will be even lower when we all drop down to level 1 in January - at that point it will be the worst of all the agencies (even iS!) and that is a fact.

I cannot include you in the current spreadsheet because:
- Missing information about your earlier tier
- Missing information about your current tier
- Missing information about your last 3 month average with EL
- Missing information about your last 3 month average without EL
- Missing accurate information about your June so far with / without EL

leaf · « **Reply #39 on:** June 08, 2020, 10:56 »

Quote from: sgoodwin4813 on June 08, 2020, 10:01

I have maintained accurate records of microstock sales and several statistics including RPDL since I started in 2009. For me, average RPDL of SS for all of last year was $0.92. The highest ever was 2017 at $1.36 and the lowest was 2009 at $0.32. So far this month it is $0.26. Average number of sales per month peaked for me in 2014 and declined to about 45% of the peak last year. The complicated presentation of the OP makes no sense to me and could be skewed by a few high-value sales. My numbers so far this month have RPDL lower than it was when I started in 2009. Of course that will change if I get some ELs or high-value SODs but the highest I've had so far this month is $2.50 so am not expecting much of a change. RPDL of $0.26 is the lowest of all the agencies I contribute to right now, with the exception of Canva which was only $0.20 after their change last month (I am not counting their bonus payments which will go away in five months). The SS RPDL will be even lower when we all drop down to level 1 in January - at that point it will be the worst of all the agencies (even iS!) and that is a fact.

Thanks for the good stats.

Shelma1 · « **Reply #40 on:** June 08, 2020, 11:03 »

Quote from: sgoodwin4813 on June 08, 2020, 10:01

I have maintained accurate records of microstock sales and several statistics including RPDL since I started in 2009. For me, average RPDL of SS for all of last year was $0.92. The highest ever was 2017 at $1.36 and the lowest was 2009 at $0.32. So far this month it is $0.26. Average number of sales per month peaked for me in 2014 and declined to about 45% of the peak last year. The complicated presentation of the OP makes no sense to me and could be skewed by a few high-value sales. My numbers so far this month have RPDL lower than it was when I started in 2009. Of course that will change if I get some ELs or high-value SODs but the highest I've had so far this month is $2.50 so am not expecting much of a change. RPDL of $0.26 is the lowest of all the agencies I contribute to right now, with the exception of Canva which was only $0.20 after their change last month (I am not counting their bonus payments which will go away in five months). The SS RPDL will be even lower when we all drop down to level 1 in January - at that point it will be the worst of all the agencies (even iS!) and that is a fact.

Very sad statistics.

Pauws99 · « **Reply #41 on:** June 08, 2020, 11:10 »

Quote from: astockphotographer088 on June 07, 2020, 16:08

Quote from: everest on June 07, 2020, 14:16
Your civil and "CONSTRUCTIVE" words on this forum on past posts :

I believe in the words I say. No regrets here and by quoting me it doesn't mean anything more than your ability to copy-paste. But since you mentioned a pedestal. I'll tell you a funny story about me on a pedestal and it may, or may not reflect to the current situation in this thread:

In middle school, I was about 11 years old. I was in a private school, where supposingly the elite of the town was sending their kids. Lawyers kids, doctors kid, businessmen kids ... the "future of our country" ... that sort of stuff. Anyway I never thought of myself like the elite of anything, I grew up in the village and I loved hiking the mountain or interacting with animals. I wasn't stupid though, my iq was measured high. While in that school, despite the fact that I was like Mowgli, climbing the trees all the time, at some point I felt like I wanted to get involved to school politics for the feeling of greater good. We had a council of 15 students that tended to the student affairs with the school in general. It was mostly a place for the popular kids then but I was too naive at the time, because I wasn't so popular. You see, all the kids were mostly concerned with how others dressed, brand names etc. So, I had noticed a problem in the school, kind of important but also kind of taboo. I had noticed that in the school toilets, the administration never bought or installed toilet paper rolls. Crazy, right?

So I went up to the actual pedestal of the school morning gathering, in front of some teachers, the principals and 300 kids, to announce my candidacy. During that short speech I generally said that I was worth to be elected because I cared about school facilities to function properly. As an example, I said that toilets didn't have toilet paper. At that moment, 300 kids burst into laughing, including the teachers and the principal. Of course I felt humiliated as I sincerely didn't expect that reaction. I wrapped up my speech and left that pedestal. I wasn't voted to be in the council.

For the 6 years I was in that school, nobody ever mentioned it and toilet paper was also never installed. I can't even begin to imagine the constipation that must have took place there. Really sad. But you know what, it taught me a lot about the world. It came to be one of the most illuminating moments of my life. Do you know how much ridicule one can receive for saying the right thing, but first? The other people usually laugh or diminish and they will only admit the rightness of the right words only in their own conversations, afterwards. But never to the person that actually said the right thing first. But people that speak right, are kind of used to it anyway. Anything you might say to me, won't beat what I was made to be or do. I am far stronger in supporting my opinions that you will ever be and it shows. So you can either follow my advice and post your stats to contribute to this effort, or go ahead and go on living unwiped like some other dudes that I know of.

Possibly the most ridiculous post I've read for a while. Go set up your own forum.

zorba · « **Reply #42 on:** June 08, 2020, 12:03 »

"together we stand, divided we fall" (cit.)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/261369748434285

nd3000 · « **Reply #43 on:** June 08, 2020, 12:17 »

I cant help but post again. As much as I try to be forgiving and understanding I failed this time. Astockphotographer088, if you really cared about trends and statistics you would be looking at what people SAY as opposed to trying to get numbers for YOUR very simplified statistical formulae. Just sit down, take a breath, nobody hates anybody here BUT I will try to help you get to the bottom of this easily. I know a dozen contributors who are in top100 rankings on all platforms. Plenty of files, plenty of data to be gathered. We ALL are seeing massive to considerable DROPS. I cant sugarcoat this and why would I? Do you think forums would be on fire if sales were fantastic?

I sell less or equal amount of images for far less money. So far today AS is beating SS 3fold for me. That would have never happened before, ever. Period. As so far in June is leading by more than a thousand dollars. Crazy right? Well guess what, AS stayed the same but SS just pooped itself.

Let go of trying to estimate an RPD man..varies from port to port, time of the year etc. big ports are going to give you the numbers in a week that hundreds of small ports will supply in a month. Those people are reporting a 10 to 40% drop.

Have a great day and please be reasonable.

NeonRobot · « **Reply #44 on:** June 08, 2020, 13:22 »

What's the point of this thread?
I don't see any meaningful use.

It looks like trolling, no more, no less.

Mantis · « **Reply #45 on:** June 08, 2020, 13:30 »

Small sample but my RPDL In May was.97 cents and the week in June before I killed my port was .40 cents. That’s a 59% drop. In Jan 2021 with the reset, holy crap.

BigLeague · « **Reply #46 on:** June 08, 2020, 13:39 »

Quote from: NeonRobot on June 08, 2020, 13:22

What's the point of this thread?
I don't see any meaningful use.

It looks like trolling, no more, no less.

The point of a thread is a discussion, if you don't see the point, you don't need to read it or contribute.
If you want to make a thread that has a point relevant to you, you can make one.
I might put the same comment on a needlework forum

Zero Talent · « **Reply #47 on:** June 08, 2020, 13:42 »

Level 5 photo, level 3 video.
Here are the SS RPDs for 2020, all-inclusive (since it will take too long to remove the EL, videos, large SoDs, one by one)

Jan $1.55/DL
Feb $1.30/DL
Mar $1.02/DL
Apr $1.65/DL
May $1.51/DL

Jun $1.14/DL

Therefore, June is 18% worse than the average RPD of the previous months.
However, March was way below my normal values. Without considering the exception of March, the RPD dropped by 24%.

But I also feel that June is a "good month", so far (from the DL number and DL type point of view) therefore the real average RPD loss must be larger than 24%

anon20200611 · « **Reply #48 on:** June 08, 2020, 15:26 »

Quote from: nd3000 on June 08, 2020, 12:17

I cant help but post again. As much as I try to be forgiving and understanding I failed this time. Astockphotographer088, if you really cared about trends and statistics you would be looking at what people SAY as opposed to trying to get numbers for YOUR very simplified statistical formulae. Just sit down, take a breath, nobody hates anybody here BUT I will try to help you get to the bottom of this easily. I know a dozen contributors who are in top100 rankings on all platforms. Plenty of files, plenty of data to be gathered. We ALL are seeing massive to considerable DROPS. I cant sugarcoat this and why would I? Do you think forums would be on fire if sales were fantastic?

I sell less or equal amount of images for far less money. So far today AS is beating SS 3fold for me. That would have never happened before, ever. Period. As so far in June is leading by more than a thousand dollars. Crazy right? Well guess what, AS stayed the same but SS just pooped itself.

Let go of trying to estimate an RPD man..varies from port to port, time of the year etc. big ports are going to give you the numbers in a week that hundreds of small ports will supply in a month. Those people are reporting a 10 to 40% drop.

Have a great day and please be reasonable.

Hello nd3000, we talked to another thread about this and we agree in most. You helped me with your input to shape a deeper understanding for how this could work. Anything you may say or put in this thread will be of high value since I don't know how many level 6 contributors are lurking in here. I can only hope that you take a calculator and submit some data, because it's exactly as you think it is, one contributor level 6 is the same with up to 10x level 5 contributors. So much more accuracy in data. Like we already discussed, you had seen a 60%-70% of under .20, but in my case it was only a 40% and it played a huge role in rpd. I can only wish that you did some early calculations and contributed in this spreadsheet.

anon20200611 · « **Reply #49 on:** June 08, 2020, 15:35 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on June 08, 2020, 13:42

Level 5 photo, level 3 video.
Here are the SS RPDs for 2020, all-inclusive (since it will take too long to remove the EL, videos, large SoDs, one by one)

Jan $1.55/DL
Feb $1.30/DL
Mar $1.02/DL
Apr $1.65/DL
May $1.51/DL

Jun $1.14/DL

Therefore, June is 18% worse than the average RPD of the previous months.
However, March was way below my normal values. Without considering the exception of March, the RPD dropped by 24%.

But I also feel that June is a "good month", so far (from the DL number and DL type point of view) therefore the real average RPD loss must be larger than 24%

Thanks for your input, but the reason I set these "rules" as to exclude video and calculate w/ and w/o EL's in images was to be able and find as clean results as possible in all this mess. My last thread coulnd't do that and I already had some people post data. From that first data, we gathered a generic average of -33% ... but it was wrong, as it came from many different levels and also polluted with EL's (like my sample for example). My ultimate purpose is to start finding common patterns in this. And find the particular spot in statistics, that the -% in rpd stops being a mere fluctuation (like you had in March) and where it shows that it starts being the new rule of the game. I hope you understand and that you can provide some more accuracy in your data in the requested format. Regards.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #50 on:** June 08, 2020, 16:03 »

Quote from: astockphotographer088 on June 08, 2020, 15:35

Quote from: Zero Talent on June 08, 2020, 13:42
Level 5 photo, level 3 video.
Here are the SS RPDs for 2020, all-inclusive (since it will take too long to remove the EL, videos, large SoDs, one by one)

Jan $1.55/DL
Feb $1.30/DL
Mar $1.02/DL
Apr $1.65/DL
May $1.51/DL

Jun $1.14/DL

Therefore, June is 18% worse than the average RPD of the previous months.
However, March was way below my normal values. Without considering the exception of March, the RPD dropped by 24%.

But I also feel that June is a "good month", so far (from the DL number and DL type point of view) therefore the real average RPD loss must be larger than 24%

Thanks for your input, but the reason I set these "rules" as to exclude video and calculate w/ and w/o EL's in images was to be able and find as clean results as possible in all this mess. My last thread coulnd't do that and I already had some people post data. From that first data, we gathered a generic average of -33% ... but it was wrong, as it came from many different levels and also polluted with EL's (like my sample for example). My ultimate purpose is to start finding common patterns in this. And find the particular spot in statistics, that the -% in rpd stops being a mere fluctuation (like you had in March) and where it shows that it starts being the new rule of the game. I hope you understand and that you can provide some more accuracy in your data in the requested format. Regards.

I am not going to sift through 6k sales to eliminate videos and high photo sales manually.
My videos and high photo sales are not lucky exceptions, but a regular predictable matter.

What matters is the total reduction of RPD, not just the analysis of a subset of the data.

anon20200611 · « **Reply #51 on:** June 08, 2020, 16:21 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on June 08, 2020, 16:03

Quote from: astockphotographer088 on June 08, 2020, 15:35
Quote from: Zero Talent on June 08, 2020, 13:42
Level 5 photo, level 3 video.
Here are the SS RPDs for 2020, all-inclusive (since it will take too long to remove the EL, videos, large SoDs, one by one)

Jan $1.55/DL
Feb $1.30/DL
Mar $1.02/DL
Apr $1.65/DL
May $1.51/DL

Jun $1.14/DL

Therefore, June is 18% worse than the average RPD of the previous months.
However, March was way below my normal values. Without considering the exception of March, the RPD dropped by 24%.

But I also feel that June is a "good month", so far (from the DL number and DL type point of view) therefore the real average RPD loss must be larger than 24%

Thanks for your input, but the reason I set these "rules" as to exclude video and calculate w/ and w/o EL's in images was to be able and find as clean results as possible in all this mess. My last thread coulnd't do that and I already had some people post data. From that first data, we gathered a generic average of -33% ... but it was wrong, as it came from many different levels and also polluted with EL's (like my sample for example). My ultimate purpose is to start finding common patterns in this. And find the particular spot in statistics, that the -% in rpd stops being a mere fluctuation (like you had in March) and where it shows that it starts being the new rule of the game. I hope you understand and that you can provide some more accuracy in your data in the requested format. Regards.
I am not going to sift through 6k sales to eliminate videos and high photo sales manually.
My videos and high photo sales are not lucky exceptions, but a regular predictable matter.

What matters is the total reduction of RPD, not just the analysis of a subset of the data.

For you what primarily matters is of course the stats you provided, absolutely no disagreement on that. But in the spreadsheet we are compiling in this thread, the ultimate purpose is for all data to have a way into merging together, ultimately to create global averages. Video sales at this point are polluting the generic result we are trying to give. If you can't bother deducting the whole categories from your month in sales and in dl numbers, ok then don't do so. You can sit back and wait for someone else that will like the rest. Take care.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #52 on:** June 08, 2020, 18:39 »

Quote from: astockphotographer088 on June 08, 2020, 16:21

Quote from: Zero Talent on June 08, 2020, 16:03
Quote from: astockphotographer088 on June 08, 2020, 15:35
Quote from: Zero Talent on June 08, 2020, 13:42
Level 5 photo, level 3 video.
Here are the SS RPDs for 2020, all-inclusive (since it will take too long to remove the EL, videos, large SoDs, one by one)

Jan $1.55/DL
Feb $1.30/DL
Mar $1.02/DL
Apr $1.65/DL
May $1.51/DL

Jun $1.14/DL

Therefore, June is 18% worse than the average RPD of the previous months.
However, March was way below my normal values. Without considering the exception of March, the RPD dropped by 24%.

But I also feel that June is a "good month", so far (from the DL number and DL type point of view) therefore the real average RPD loss must be larger than 24%

Thanks for your input, but the reason I set these "rules" as to exclude video and calculate w/ and w/o EL's in images was to be able and find as clean results as possible in all this mess. My last thread coulnd't do that and I already had some people post data. From that first data, we gathered a generic average of -33% ... but it was wrong, as it came from many different levels and also polluted with EL's (like my sample for example). My ultimate purpose is to start finding common patterns in this. And find the particular spot in statistics, that the -% in rpd stops being a mere fluctuation (like you had in March) and where it shows that it starts being the new rule of the game. I hope you understand and that you can provide some more accuracy in your data in the requested format. Regards.
I am not going to sift through 6k sales to eliminate videos and high photo sales manually.
My videos and high photo sales are not lucky exceptions, but a regular predictable matter.

What matters is the total reduction of RPD, not just the analysis of a subset of the data.

For you what primarily matters is of course the stats you provided, absolutely no disagreement on that. But in the spreadsheet we are compiling in this thread, the ultimate purpose is for all data to have a way into merging together, ultimately to create global averages. Video sales at this point are polluting the generic result we are trying to give. If you can't bother deducting the whole categories from your month in sales and in dl numbers, ok then don't do so. You can sit back and wait for someone else that will like the rest. Take care.

As you see fit.

But when your goal is to achieve statistical relevance, you can't leave out of the equation statistically relevant parameters.

As I said, large SoDs, ELs, and video sales are not random nor lucky, but rather predictable.
I know with a high probability when I can expect an EL, a large SoD, or a video sale. They systematically appear after a certain number of subs.
They are part of the whole system. You can't leave them out. Especially not, when you deal with large numbers.

Leaving them out will only lead to flawed analysis and misleading conclusions.

But anyway... good luck in your endeavor!

Mrblues101 · « **Reply #53 on:** June 08, 2020, 21:38 »

Quote from: Charlene on June 07, 2020, 05:27

If the new structure can earn you more money, then why Shutterstock want to do it? Your data sample is so small that it is totally irrelevant. Even a Level 6 will have a dip of 20-30% at least.

Not irrelevant but incomplete, at least until now.

We can't say precisely how much is the reduction becuse we dont have any knowlodege about what image packet buyers buy more... we need this kind of data to see the real impact.

I also think the payment change will decrease our incoming, but this kind of data and researches are very welcome.

anon20200611 · « **Reply #54 on:** June 09, 2020, 02:28 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on June 08, 2020, 18:39

As you see fit.

But when your goal is to achieve statistical relevance, you can't leave out of the equation statistically relevant parameters.

As I said, large SoDs, ELs, and video sales are not random nor lucky, but rather predictable.
I know with a high probability when I can expect an EL, a large SoD, or a video sale. They systematically appear after a certain number of subs.
They are part of the whole system. You can't leave them out. Especially not, when you deal with large numbers.

Leaving them out will only lead to flawed analysis and misleading conclusions.

But anyway... good luck in your endeavor!

We need to exclude the video from this one research, but if we get accurate results on a -% from the images, we can have a good guess what will happen with video as well.

ELs and high SoD's do have a frequency. But for many of the contributors, especially in Level 4, these downloads could be 1x every 2 or 3 months, maybe. So since we are talking about monthly RPD and they would also cause a high deviation of the numbers, I designed this spreadsheet both with and without. I didn't leave them out. They can be singled out by the difference in RPD.

I kept in mind to ask the minimum of info possible to get the most accurate results possible. It's already hard for most to do these calculations accurately.

edit: typos

epixx · « **Reply #55 on:** June 09, 2020, 03:36 »

I have created an Excel sheet that calculates the change in commission for each sold Subs and On Demand image comparing old and new figures and then making totals for Subs, On Demand and all images, also with percentages.

If anybody wnats one, I can post it here if the forum software will accept an .xls or .zip file. So far in June, I'm down 32.48% compared to what I would have received with the old pricing. Comparing with last year or last month is irrelevant.

rod · « **Reply #56 on:** June 09, 2020, 03:43 »

-32.54%, only for subscriptions RPD, May 1-8 & Jun 1-8
Average per download 0.256 in Jun

epixx · « **Reply #57 on:** June 09, 2020, 03:47 »

Quote from: rod on June 09, 2020, 03:43

-32.54%, only for subscriptions RPD, May 1-8 & Jun 1-8
Average per download 0.256 in Jun

I'm 57.31% down on Subs (previously .38 per download) and 20.56 down on On Demand. One week is far to short time though, and singles are impossible to calculate since the prices have always varied.

anon20200611 · « **Reply #58 on:** June 09, 2020, 03:57 »

Quote from: rod

-32.54%, only for subscriptions RPD, May 1-8 & Jun 1-8
Average per download 0.256 in Jun

Quote from: epixx

If anybody wnats one, I can post it here if the forum software will accept an .xls or .zip file. So far in June, I'm down 32.48% compared to what I would have received with the old pricing. Comparing with last year or last month is irrelevant.

Can you please both of you care enough to do all the calculations that can fit in this spreadsheet? Without earlier vs current level and without a last 3 month average vs June av, both with EL and w/o, we can't make accurate estimates. It may be a little bit more complicated to deduct categories and downloads but with using a piece of paper and keeping notes of the sums it's a piece of cake. Already tried in an earlier post, it failed because of many random parameters that polluted results. This new effort will produce more accurate results if the data is submitted in the requested format.

epixx · « **Reply #59 on:** June 09, 2020, 04:01 »

See if this works.

anon20200611 · « **Reply #60 on:** June 09, 2020, 04:08 »

Quote from: epixx on June 09, 2020, 04:01

See if this works.

It doesn't because you didn't calculate .rpd - if you would like to contribute, please go at the top post and follow the instructions in blue. Don't forget to mention your contributor level, past and new.

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #61 on:** June 09, 2020, 07:48 »

For the first time ever I made less on SS then both AS and 123RF yesterday. Something over 1000 dls on SS so far in June, RPD down 20% level 5

anon20200611 · « **Reply #62 on:** June 09, 2020, 07:58 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on June 09, 2020, 07:48

For the first time ever I made less on SS then both AS and 123RF yesterday. Something over 1000 dls on SS so far in June, RPD down 20% level 5

In case you missed the title, this is not your generic "how is your day" thread in general discussion. It's an effort to determine real average deduction of Shutterstock earnings. It's a collective data calculation effort. If you are so serious about your gains / losses, take a calculator and share the results.

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #63 on:** June 09, 2020, 08:01 »

It's turned into quite a useful thread for hearing how people are doing.

anon20200611 · « **Reply #64 on:** June 09, 2020, 08:11 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on June 09, 2020, 08:01

It's turned into quite a useful thread for hearing how people are doing.

It would be even more useful if people would post how they are actually doing collectively instead of a selective angle of each individual's "truth", like in your case.

Pauws99 · « **Reply #65 on:** June 09, 2020, 10:15 »

I don't get this at all...you want to "prove" something to Shutterstock they already know. They have complete access to all the statistics and no doubt are exactly aware of the effect of what they are doing.

Dumc · « **Reply #66 on:** June 09, 2020, 10:20 »

Why ya'all keep responding to this troll is beyond me. Just ignore him already, jesus.

anon20200611 · « **Reply #67 on:** June 09, 2020, 11:27 »

Quote from: Pauws99 on June 09, 2020, 10:15

I don't get this at all...you want to "prove" something to Shutterstock they already know. They have complete access to all the statistics and no doubt are exactly aware of the effect of what they are doing.

No, I'm not trying to prove anything to Shutterstock. I am trying to collectively gather some people to provide accurate rpd data, so that we can all just see what is going on. How much is the cut? 5%? 10%? 20%? Does that +% on EL or SoD compensate for the loss? Are we being treated fairly (probably not) but how are we not being treated fairly? By calculating the loss in rpd terms it's a significant first step towards any contributor negotiation with Shutterstock. Then we can say to Shutterstock or anyone like Shutterstock "hey Mr. you actions cut 5 ... 10 ... 20 ... percent". In your letter you promised that this new system was a + for level 5 or level 6 and that it would keep level 4 the same. Why are these point zeros so low? Why is the rpd of everyone declining? And why should we accept a double down on January?

This is how business is discussed. It's negotiated. People think that by removing 0,03% of the Shutterstock library is going to be a revenge towards Shutterstock? The only thing they are going to achieve is decrease their storage server costs and make them even more profitable. Nobody needs to bite the hand that feeds them. We need to discuss a trade deal that has being benefiting both sides for years. And based on the results on rpd returns, to then discuss the absurd idea of the January reset. Not vent anger in forums, or Twitter, or Facebook or Youtube dislikes. This is a waste of energy, that could be otherwise be put in good use, like thinking for example.

But I'm tired to try to explain to a bunch of idiots what they should do really. Do whatever you want. Couldn't care less.

Pauws99 · « **Reply #68 on:** June 09, 2020, 11:52 »

Negotiation? I only see one idiot here when did Shutterstock ever negotiate with its suppliers?

Pauws99 · « **Reply #69 on:** June 09, 2020, 11:53 »

Quote from: Dumc on June 09, 2020, 10:20

Why ya'all keep responding to this troll is beyond me. Just ignore him already, jesus.

You are right of course but its amusing sometimes

Shelma1 · « **Reply #70 on:** June 09, 2020, 12:33 »

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In your letter you promised that this new system was a + for level 5 or level 6 and that it would keep level 4 the same. Why are these point zeros so low? Why is the rpd of everyone declining? And why should we accept a double down on January?

Where in the email did it promise that it was “a + for level 5 or level 6 and that it would keep level 4 the same?” I saw no such promise.

Snow · « **Reply #71 on:** June 09, 2020, 12:37 »

Quote from: astockphotographer088 on June 09, 2020, 11:27

Quote from: Pauws99 on June 09, 2020, 10:15
I don't get this at all...you want to "prove" something to Shutterstock they already know. They have complete access to all the statistics and no doubt are exactly aware of the effect of what they are doing.

No, I'm not trying to prove anything to Shutterstock. I am trying to collectively gather some people to provide accurate rpd data, so that we can all just see what is going on. How much is the cut? 5%? 10%? 20%? Does that +% on EL or SoD compensate for the loss? Are we being treated fairly (probably not) but how are we not being treated fairly? By calculating the loss in rpd terms it's a significant first step towards any contributor negotiation with Shutterstock. Then we can say to Shutterstock or anyone like Shutterstock "hey Mr. you actions cut 5 ... 10 ... 20 ... percent". In your letter you promised that this new system was a + for level 5 or level 6 and that it would keep level 4 the same. Why are these point zeros so low? Why is the rpd of everyone declining? And why should we accept a double down on January?

This is how business is discussed. It's negotiated. People think that by removing 0,03% of the Shutterstock library is going to be a revenge towards Shutterstock? The only thing they are going to achieve is decrease their storage server costs and make them even more profitable. Nobody needs to bite the hand that feeds them. We need to discuss a trade deal that has being benefiting both sides for years. And based on the results on rpd returns, to then discuss the absurd idea of the January reset. Not vent anger in forums, or Twitter, or Facebook or Youtube dislikes. This is a waste of energy, that could be otherwise be put in good use, like thinking for example.

But I'm tired to try to explain to a bunch of idiots what they should do really. Do whatever you want. Couldn't care less.

But would you actually accept the fact your or all our earnings are down and that it's not worth it anymore?

Negotiations? That surely helped Yuri Arcurs didn't it? He even sat at their table, something you and I can only dream of and did they listen? If you don't know the story then ask around. This was and still is one of the most successful microstock contributors ever. If they ignore a guy like that do you really think they care about you, me or anyone else?
I'm sure they would love to see you come waving around with your stats report. That'll surely change their mind!
If they'd care they wouldn't even have made this drastic change. Maybe lower subs to 36 or 33, the opposite of what Adobe did. Small changes that can have great effect. No they decided to literally cut our earnings in half. Maybe not for you, lucky you then but you cannot deny that the majority of us is down in earnings, by a lot. We're not making this up hombre!

You talk about professionalism? then how come reviews are totally messed up, stolen portfolio's kept online, open door to spammers, not to mention the bots running support. Shall I continue? How can you negotiate with those people? Only one thing you can do, take action. This has been done with FT DPC (again look it up if you're new at this) and it worked.

You are way smarter then many of us yet you can't acknowledge the fact that Shutterstock's move will destroy many incomes, maybe even lives because yes some people make a decent living with their microstock income? But it's these idiots fault not to have a backup plan right?

And now these people are not only idiots for not having a backup plan they are also idiots for taking action or express their feelings?

Hopefully many will provide you with their details to go on your stats report but then what? You'll be our negotiator? Have you ever been in contact with their support?

Anyway, I'm going to leave it at that because I don't have anything against you and I do hope people will participate in your thread. So stick around and good luck!

Pauws99 · « **Reply #72 on:** June 09, 2020, 13:02 »

Quote from: Shelma1 on June 09, 2020, 12:33

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In your letter you promised that this new system was a + for level 5 or level 6 and that it would keep level 4 the same. Why are these point zeros so low? Why is the rpd of everyone declining? And why should we accept a double down on January?

Where in the email did it promise that it was “a + for level 5 or level 6 and that it would keep level 4 the same?” I saw no such promise.

It kind of implied that but anyone with any experience of modern management speak and communications from Microstock sites over the years would have seen through that in a nano-second.

nd3000 · « **Reply #73 on:** June 09, 2020, 13:34 »

The most often used word in these magnificent letters is The POTENTIAL TO EARN MORE. Its not a lie. There is potential for you to travel to Mars now as well, it sure isnt impossible

Oh man, this whole thing is funny in a way. Very sad and amusing at the same time.

I honestly think that SS could have introduced image quality levels and let contributors chose in what tier they want to sell their assets.

Each contributor and buyer would have a chance to pick a tier where to upload and search for content depending on how much they want to get paid/spend.

That way it would still be netting SS more money and promoting higher quality content etc.

Its just a hybrid system that while still not good is better than this one.
For higher tier contributors with quality content that was very costly to produce it would mean that actually most of their work would be seen as opposed to now when 10 pages of a dirty cat in 20 various angles shot from a phone gets posted every minute...

Justmy 2 cents.

nd3000 · « **Reply #74 on:** June 09, 2020, 13:47 »

Just to update on the actual topic. My current RPD is 0.736, excluding video which is not bad as I had some SODs that brought the average up.

I still hate the new earnings system and consider this an anomaly. I didnt jump ship so far as I wanted to gather enough data beforehand. I still resent the idea of selling subs for 10 cents. If it was possible I would opt out of selling subs to those buyers with large package deals, I surely would. Even if it meant a lot less money for me.

BUT I have to say that I am very honored to be in the company of some courageous people who disabled their portfolios straight away. If a change is goingto happen, it will be because of them and THEM only. My attitude in this matter is not fruitful BUT I gave myself 2 weeks to see where I stand. Even if I stay and my earnings dont change I will feel like a traitor.

I will decide together with the Russians

zsooofija · « **Reply #75 on:** June 09, 2020, 14:37 »

Quote from: nd3000 on June 09, 2020, 13:47

Just to update on the actual topic. My current RPD is 0.736, excluding video which is not bad as I had some SODs that brought the average up.

I still hate the new earnings system and consider this an anomaly. I didnt jump ship so far as I wanted to gather enough data beforehand. I still resent the idea of selling subs for 10 cents. If it was possible I would opt out of selling subs to those buyers with large package deals, I surely would. Even if it meant a lot less money for me.

BUT I have to say that I am very honored to be in the company of some courageous people who disabled their portfolios straight away. If a change is goingto happen, it will be because of them and THEM only. My attitude in this matter is not fruitful BUT I gave myself 2 weeks to see where I stand. Even if I stay and my earnings dont change I will feel like a traitor.

I will decide together with the Russians

Thank you

You are welcome to join, together with the Russians! I know they are many

Also, you can join Stock Submitter Coalition on FB, together we can do more!
www.facebook.com/groups/261369748434285/

nd3000 · « **Reply #76 on:** June 09, 2020, 14:41 »

Quote from: zsooofija on June 09, 2020, 14:37

Quote from: nd3000 on June 09, 2020, 13:47
Just to update on the actual topic. My current RPD is 0.736, excluding video which is not bad as I had some SODs that brought the average up.

I still hate the new earnings system and consider this an anomaly. I didnt jump ship so far as I wanted to gather enough data beforehand. I still resent the idea of selling subs for 10 cents. If it was possible I would opt out of selling subs to those buyers with large package deals, I surely would. Even if it meant a lot less money for me.

BUT I have to say that I am very honored to be in the company of some courageous people who disabled their portfolios straight away. If a change is goingto happen, it will be because of them and THEM only. My attitude in this matter is not fruitful BUT I gave myself 2 weeks to see where I stand. Even if I stay and my earnings dont change I will feel like a traitor.

I will decide together with the Russians

Thank you You are welcome to join, together with the Russians! I know they are many
Also, you can join Stock Submitter Coalition on FB, together we can do more!
www.facebook.com/groups/261369748434285/

Already joined. Are you Hungarian by any chance?

Rage · « **Reply #77 on:** June 09, 2020, 15:16 »

Back to the topic at hand, my overall income drop using the excel is -20%, but while the number makes it seem like a small drop the analysis is scary
- For most days, my numbers are almost 60% down, these are high image subscription sale days
- One day has a +100%, mainly because there is a subscription sale at 0.83c my guess is a mislabeled SOD (since SS confirmed it had misreportings in the in first few days)
- Again my highest contributing day is -20% since there was a video sale which at my current level gives me 25% vs the old 30% since the amount is high this brings my total almost to -20% itself.

Problems
- My image income since it's mostly subscription is a total washout
- Video sales may save it for now, but come jan this will be a washout as well
- The mix could change at anytime with lower subscriptions and we'll be stuck

TLDR : In my port there is NO EVIDENCE that getting to level 5 or 6 will REWARD me more than before

rod · « **Reply #78 on:** June 09, 2020, 20:23 »

Quote from: astockphotographer088 on June 09, 2020, 03:57

Quote from: rod
-32.54%, only for subscriptions RPD, May 1-8 & Jun 1-8
Average per download 0.256 in Jun

Quote from: epixx
If anybody wnats one, I can post it here if the forum software will accept an .xls or .zip file. So far in June, I'm down 32.48% compared to what I would have received with the old pricing. Comparing with last year or last month is irrelevant.

Can you please both of you care enough to do all the calculations that can fit in this spreadsheet? Without earlier vs current level and without a last 3 month average vs June av, both with EL and w/o, we can't make accurate estimates. It may be a little bit more complicated to deduct categories and downloads but with using a piece of paper and keeping notes of the sums it's a piece of cake. Already tried in an earlier post, it failed because of many random parameters that polluted results. This new effort will produce more accurate results if the data is submitted in the requested format.

It's hard to see what's going on in just a week for me，maybe I can try to do the calculations in next week.
I think it might be more appropriate to compare with the data of the last June or whole year in 2019, maybe

enddevil · « **Reply #79 on:** June 09, 2020, 22:27 »

as tier four, my sales price dropped 3/4 of original price. All the enthusiasm to create new content is gone. i have no choice but to upload some easy photo which only take 5 min to retouch. i don't want to wait a whole afternoon in sunshine with high temperature in summer for a fascinating sunset. 10 cent is nothing worth our efforts.

everest · « **Reply #80 on:** June 10, 2020, 02:22 »

So you are still here after saying you were leaving a dozen times ?¿?. The only one making an "idiot" of himself here is you. But that is a common trait of fools. They never notice they are. Sad.

Quote from: astockphotographer088 on June 09, 2020, 11:27

But I'm tired to try to explain to a bunch of idiots what they should do really. Do whatever you want. Couldn't care less.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #81 on:** June 10, 2020, 09:53 »

Quote from: enddevil on June 09, 2020, 22:27

as tier four, my sales price dropped 3/4 of original price. All the enthusiasm to create new content is gone. i have no choice but to upload some easy photo which only take 5 min to retouch. i don't want to wait a whole afternoon in sunshine with high temperature in summer for a fascinating sunset. 10 cent is nothing worth our efforts.

Thanks, nice and simple, my kind of ask a question, get an answer.

Subs for me, since the change at averaging 19 cents. That's down from averaging 36¢, ask me, I'm looking at 52% (or down 48% for those who look at the numbers that way) Most are 10c and a couple are more than the old.

End of the month I'll look for another simple, up down thread without the complicated and intricate math. Subs down 48% in value, is easy for all of us to understand.

Here, I forgot what the levels are. I'm 3 close to 4

blue · « **Reply #82 on:** June 10, 2020, 11:32 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on June 10, 2020, 09:53

End of the month I'll look for another simple, up down thread without the complicated and intricate math.

Nothing complicated. Just use a spreadsheet to process your datas. No need for a master in physics !

blue · « **Reply #83 on:** June 10, 2020, 11:35 »

So many short-minded people in here…

@astockphotographer088
You should make an anonymous poll at the end of June to collect the datas the way you want and avoid all these loudmouths who already know the end of the story.

Pauws99 · « **Reply #84 on:** June 10, 2020, 11:56 »

Quote from: blue on June 10, 2020, 11:35

So many short-minded people in here…

@astockphotographer088
You should make an anonymous poll at the end of June to collect the datas the way you want and avoid all these loudmouths who already know the end of the story.

People tend go get angry when they are condescended to and called idiots. Not listening to people who have been in the business for years or have professional qualifications in statistics is what I would call short minded. Now we are "loudmouths" for daring to voice on an opinion on a forum.

blue · « **Reply #85 on:** June 10, 2020, 12:19 »

Quote from: Pauws99 on June 10, 2020, 11:56

Now we are "loudmouths" for daring to voice on an opinion on a forum.

Since he did not ask for opinions but for datas...

Zero Talent · « **Reply #86 on:** June 10, 2020, 12:23 »

Quote from: blue on June 10, 2020, 11:32

Quote from: Uncle Pete on June 10, 2020, 09:53
End of the month I'll look for another simple, up down thread without the complicated and intricate math.
Nothing complicated. Just use a spreadsheet to process your datas. No need for a master in physics !

I am curious what method you used to get the number of video sales and the number of SODs above a certain level, without manually going through 100 pages of sales.

Do you have a web scrapper able to automate the task and do that nice and easy?
Because if you do that manually and find it easy, then your number of sales is too low to add any significance to the conclusion.

stockmarketer · « **Reply #87 on:** June 10, 2020, 12:24 »

Will be officially 1/3 through the month in a few hours, which makes for a good comparison of the old and new structure.

I'm Level 5, with a large port.

For me, RPD is looking about the same.

Earnings and downloads are tracking about 10% higher than June 2019.

So definitely not the disaster I was fearing, at least so far. Of course, ask me again in Jan 2021 when I revert to level 1. That is going to be terrible, I'm sure.

Pauws99 · « **Reply #88 on:** June 10, 2020, 13:14 »

Quote from: blue on June 10, 2020, 12:19

Quote from: Pauws99 on June 10, 2020, 11:56
Now we are "loudmouths" for daring to voice on an opinion on a forum.
Since he did not ask for opinions but for datas...

Sometimes we don't get what we ask for.....not his/her forum tough. If people want to create their own forums and set up their rules they are quite welcome to.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #89 on:** June 12, 2020, 10:37 »

Quote from: blue on June 10, 2020, 11:32

Quote from: Uncle Pete on June 10, 2020, 09:53
End of the month I'll look for another simple, up down thread without the complicated and intricate math.
Nothing complicated. Just use a spreadsheet to process your datas. No need for a master in physics !

Doesn't matter, he's gone away.

"In that manner, please calculate & submit the following data:
My Current Level:
My Previous Level:
My last 3 month Average RPD:
(Calculate for March April and May, Total 3 month Income / Total 3 month Downloads)
June RPD:
(Calculate for June, Total Income / Total Downloads and please keep updating if possible)
Last 3 month average RPD without EL:
(Calculate for March April and May, Total 3 month Income / Total 3 month Downloads BUT Exclude all Enhanced, Extended or high Single licenses)
June average RPD without EL:"
(no video data)

Really? There's another thread, nice and simple, EPD and I answered.

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