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« on: June 24, 2020, 06:53 »
+33
I think it is a big news, Africa studio is one of the biggest producers on SS with millions of pictures. And not only that, Africa studio is a synonym for a mass production factory from Easter Europe, the model SS relies on massively.


« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2020, 07:04 »
+9
It's huge news. Other big players are joining in. Buyers will be annoyed as hell.
Jon says he does not want our content on Twitter. That goes for the big players too.

My conspiracy theory is that Facebook is about to buy Shutterstock and wants the prices pushed down so that they can give our stock assets away to their advertisers.

That's why FB was so quick to gag the Inside Imaging article. Also would explain why SS seems to have lost the plot wrt to dealing with their contributors. It's FB pulling their strings now.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2020, 07:07 by CommuniCat »

« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2020, 07:10 »
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It's huge news. Other big players are joining in. Buyers will be annoyed as hell.
Jon says he does not want our content on Twitter. That goes for the big players too.

My conspiracy theory is that Facebook is about to buy Shutterstock and wants the prices pushed down so that they can give our stock assets away to their advertisers.

That's why FB was so quick to gag the Inside Imaging article. Also would explain why SS seems to have lost the plot wrt to dealing with their contributors. It's FB pulling their strings now.
How do you know that? It is interesting. Because I got an impression that FB blocked that article automatically alerted by word boycott.
Regarding AfricaStudio, it is big news indeed. I wanted to compare it with YuriArcurs decision to leave years ago, but I think it is even bigger having in mind the sensitivity of the situation.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2020, 07:17 »
+8


This is just to save everyone else the trouble of going to check if this is true. Screen Snapshot. Zero images


« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2020, 07:21 »
+7
I was thinking Adobe wanted to buy Shutterstock, but Facebook makes more sense.

An impending sale or merger makes sense, because the immediate effect of the change in payout would be Shutterstock suddenly looking a lot more profitable on paper.  Not for long, but, maybe for long enough.

« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2020, 07:22 »
+10
Uncle Pete, I have no idea why would anybody not believe me. I'm 55 years old, professional photographer, feeding my family, high school educated. Why would I come to a forum with a fake news?

« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2020, 07:23 »
+9
That is HUGE!

These big guys deserve props for taking decisive action - it would be so much easier for them to leave their ports on and just stop submitting, and try to wring whatevers left!

Makes me wonder if SS DIDNT make any special deals with ANYONE.
They really are taking a TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT stance.

« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2020, 07:24 »
+10
Ja, that's what they tried to sell us, right? The word "boycott" did not appear in that article. They went pretty quiet after that. Did you note that the second article by chance did? I managed to forward that on my profile no problem. It's still up on my FB account - no auto algorithm stuff there.

Try it for yourself.

My guess is that they worked overtime to squash the story that way. Nah, guys, it was just these fools not knowing how our automatic algorithm works . . .

Note that the whole thread disappeared on our FB page? That was after I asked them some really hard questions.

Spooky stuff.

« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2020, 07:26 »
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Ja, that's what they tried to sell us, right? The word "boycott" did not appear in that article. They went pretty quiet after that. Did you note that the second article by chance did? I managed to forward that on my profile no problem. It's still up on my FB account - no auto algorithm stuff there.

Try it for yourself.

My guess is that they worked overtime to squash the story that way. Nah, guys, it was just these fools not knowing how our automatic algorithm works . . .

Note that the whole thread disappeared on our FB page? That was after I asked them some really hard questions.

Spooky stuff.
You are right, really spooky. Thanks for gathering all the info.

« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2020, 07:35 »
+8
Lets hope #boycottshutterstock continues to gain momentum

This may become a paradigm shift when we look back on it down the road!

« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2020, 07:36 »
+3
That is HUGE!

These big guys deserve props for taking decisive action - it would be so much easier for them to leave their ports on and just stop submitting, and try to wring whatevers left!

Makes me wonder if SS DIDNT make any special deals with ANYONE.
They really are taking a TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT stance.
It is not how big productions work. They can't stop working just like that. They have a lot of expenses, employees, models,
photographers, contracts, offices, debts for equipment, props, vehicles etc. They are better finding another agency, My guess they will go Getty exclusive now.

« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2020, 07:41 »
+5
That is HUGE!

These big guys deserve props for taking decisive action - it would be so much easier for them to leave their ports on and just stop submitting, and try to wring whatevers left!

Makes me wonder if SS DIDNT make any special deals with ANYONE.
They really are taking a TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT stance.
It is not how big productions work. They can't stop working just like that. They have a lot of expenses, employees, models,
photographers, contracts, offices, debts for equipment, props, vehicles etc. They are better finding another agency, My guess they will go Getty exclusive now.

Oh, Im sure they didnt just stop working. Im sure they will be flooding the other agencies now. And making more than $.10 an image.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2020, 07:46 »
+5
Uncle Pete, I have no idea why would anybody not believe me. I'm 55 years old, professional photographer, feeding my family, high school educated. Why would I come to a forum with a fake news?

It wasn't not believing, it was a matter of making it easy to see that 0 = zero. Just like the screen captures of Jon's tweets. For the record, in case anyone went to look... they don't have to go look. I went and searched all over Twitter, found nothing. So lets say something changes? OK here's a picture of what it looked like.  :) Nothing personal.

That is HUGE!

These big guys deserve props for taking decisive action - it would be so much easier for them to leave their ports on and just stop submitting, and try to wring whatevers left!

Makes me wonder if SS DIDNT make any special deals with ANYONE.
They really are taking a TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT stance.

We'll never know, but I had a few people say they "heard" about the email. I asked some pretty successful artist friends and not one said that they got that email with the special offer. Which was supposed to be, old rates until January 2021.

Anyone here who got the email?

« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2020, 07:47 »
+2
That is HUGE!

These big guys deserve props for taking decisive action - it would be so much easier for them to leave their ports on and just stop submitting, and try to wring whatevers left!

Makes me wonder if SS DIDNT make any special deals with ANYONE.
They really are taking a TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT stance.
It is not how big productions work. They can't stop working just like that. They have a lot of expenses, employees, models,
photographers, contracts, offices, debts for equipment, props, vehicles etc. They are better finding another agency, My guess they will go Getty exclusive now.

Oh, Im sure they didnt just stop working. Im sure they will be flooding the other agencies now. And making more than $.10 an image.
Yes, they will. I don't see a problem with that. If they are capable to produce enormous amounts of pictures, congratulations to them. It looks like everything and everyone is going on your nerves. And congratulations to them for making such a brave move!

« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2020, 07:49 »
+1
Uncle Pete, I have no idea why would anybody not believe me. I'm 55 years old, professional photographer, feeding my family, high school educated. Why would I come to a forum with a fake news?

It wasn't not believing, it was a matter of making it easy to see that 0 = zero. Just like the screen captures of Jon's tweets. For the record, in case anyone went to look... they don't have to go look. I went and searched all over Twitter, found nothing. So lets say something changes? OK here's a picture of what it looked like.  :) Nothing personal.


I know, don't worry, not a big deal :)

Noedelhap

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« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2020, 07:50 »
+7
Great news, hopefully more big names and portfolios will follow.

« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2020, 07:57 »
+5
....


« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2020, 08:18 »
+22
Whoever screenshot that post from Jon before he deleted it deserves a year's free beer.

« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2020, 08:34 »
+6
Posted in the other thread but I'll post it here too. I just noticed the SSTK paid out $1B to creators in the screen capture

Nice semantic trick he's pulling now they managed to rebrand themselves from being agents (which in any meaningful way is what they have always been).

I think he means artists have paid out many billions of dollars to Shutterstock for marketing their work for them and $1B to him personally. What an ingrate.

« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2020, 08:49 »
+1
It looks like the ss will go to the hands of sh#tty fb and then to instagram, amatures will sell their cats and daily life for a bout 0.05$ for a pix  or smth.

« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2020, 08:55 »
+4
If you believe in conspiracy theories - take a look at this thread.
Somehow I missed the response between the two last posts when I was screen grabbing.

Then "poof" the whole thread went missing. Gone from the group FB page.
Apparently, if you are the thread creator on FB, if you delete it all disappears.
Our "Facebook employee" took their own thread down when I called them out.

What do you guys make of this?

« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2020, 09:01 »
0
That is HUGE!

These big guys deserve props for taking decisive action - it would be so much easier for them to leave their ports on and just stop submitting, and try to wring whatevers left!

Makes me wonder if SS DIDNT make any special deals with ANYONE.
They really are taking a TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT stance.
It is not how big productions work. They can't stop working just like that. They have a lot of expenses, employees, models,
photographers, contracts, offices, debts for equipment, props, vehicles etc. They are better finding another agency, My guess they will go Getty exclusive now.

Oh, Im sure they didnt just stop working. Im sure they will be flooding the other agencies now. And making more than $.10 an image.
Yes, they will. I don't see a problem with that. If they are capable to produce enormous amounts of pictures, congratulations to them. It looks like everything and everyone is going on your nerves. And congratulations to them for making such a brave move!

Everyone is going on my nerves? LOL Because you arent a native English speaker, somewhere along the line you have interpreted my comment as some kind of slam. Its not. Stop reading into stuff when its not there.  ;)
« Last Edit: June 24, 2020, 09:07 by cathyslife »

« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2020, 09:08 »
+10
We always complain about massive portfolios, but for this kind of actions they are so important. By deactivating some of them SS could see million a million image loss in short period of time.

« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2020, 09:10 »
+5
Burn, baby burn!

« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2020, 09:16 »
+3
If you believe in conspiracy theories - take a look at this thread.
Somehow I missed the response between the two last posts when I was screen grabbing.

Then "poof" the whole thread went missing. Gone from the group FB page.
Apparently, if you are the thread creator on FB, if you delete it all disappears.
Our "Facebook employee" took their own thread down when I called them out.

What do you guys make of this?
why black out the name? which group is this,?

« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2020, 09:17 »
+1
If you believe in conspiracy theories - take a look at this thread.
Somehow I missed the response between the two last posts when I was screen grabbing.

Then "poof" the whole thread went missing. Gone from the group FB page.
Apparently, if you are the thread creator on FB, if you delete it all disappears.
Our "Facebook employee" took their own thread down when I called them out.

What do you guys make of this?

I saw some of her posts. Im pretty sure she was a FB/SS spy. But posts are getting flagged in a lot of FB groups (not just related to microstock) as being spam or goes against community standards, when they are not. I personally think it has to do with who FB does business with. I think they are monitoring groups closely that revolve around their ties to that industry. FB is aligned with SS, FB aligned themselves with pHARMa, like that.

« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2020, 09:29 »
+4
That is HUGE!

These big guys deserve props for taking decisive action - it would be so much easier for them to leave their ports on and just stop submitting, and try to wring whatevers left!

Makes me wonder if SS DIDNT make any special deals with ANYONE.
They really are taking a TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT stance.
It is not how big productions work. They can't stop working just like that. They have a lot of expenses, employees, models,
photographers, contracts, offices, debts for equipment, props, vehicles etc. They are better finding another agency, My guess they will go Getty exclusive now.

Oh, Im sure they didnt just stop working. Im sure they will be flooding the other agencies now. And making more than $.10 an image.
Yes, they will. I don't see a problem with that. If they are capable to produce enormous amounts of pictures, congratulations to them. It looks like everything and everyone is going on your nerves. And congratulations to them for making such a brave move!

Everyone is going on my nerves? LOL Because you arent a native English speaker, somewhere along the line you have interpreted my comment as some kind of slam. Its not. Stop reading into stuff when its not there.  ;)
You see - you HAD to point to the fact I'm not a native English speaker. First, because it goes on your nerves, and second to demonstrate your superiority. And you HAD to reply, because you are the more important one.My English is perfectly good to spot a bad person easily. Not knowing a language perfectly has some benefits, you can say thing to people straightforward, like a little naive child. So, I have to tell you this - you are a bad person.


« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2020, 09:33 »
+24
I like what Africa studio did. It help me to stay with the portfolio deactivated.

« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2020, 09:44 »
+6
Agreed. I support them 100%. Good for them for taking a stand. And I wish them all success in the future too. We are all in this together.

« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2020, 11:49 »
+4

« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2020, 11:51 »
+4
I like the speculation that FB might be negotiating to buy SS.    FB will do absolutely anything to boost ad revenue, it's basically all they care about.   A huge library of dirt cheap stock imagery, integrated with their post editor, would be a natural.  The fact that it's 80% [email protected] is lost on someone like Zuckerberg, who has a closet full of gray t-shirts.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2020, 11:52 »
+1
If you believe in conspiracy theories - take a look at this thread.
Somehow I missed the response between the two last posts when I was screen grabbing.

Then "poof" the whole thread went missing. Gone from the group FB page.
Apparently, if you are the thread creator on FB, if you delete it all disappears.
Our "Facebook employee" took their own thread down when I called them out.

What do you guys make of this?

I saw some of her posts. Im pretty sure she was a FB/SS spy. But posts are getting flagged in a lot of FB groups (not just related to microstock) as being spam or goes against community standards, when they are not. I personally think it has to do with who FB does business with. I think they are monitoring groups closely that revolve around their ties to that industry. FB is aligned with SS, FB aligned themselves with pHARMa, like that.

I hope quoting this makes it stay, in case people change what they wrote. FB/SS spies? And trying to infiltrate the group? Really, like someone is so stupid that they couldn't just create a quiet account to watch. Let me help, a spy likes to work in secret not in your face and arguing, attracting attention to their devious plans and plots.

Yes, You can remove posts and comments that you have made on Facebook. You can remove comments others have made on something you've posted, but you cannot delete comments they've left on posts you didn't create. This is also quite ordinary and doesn't need any special access or authority.


« Last Edit: June 25, 2020, 11:25 by Uncle Pete »

« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2020, 11:56 »
+1
We always complain about massive portfolios, but for this kind of actions they are so important. By deactivating some of them SS could see million a million image loss in short period of time.

We complain about massive portfolios filled with garbage, and there are plenty of those on SS. From what I understand, africastudio had some great images. Yes, lets hope other big studios follow suit. I read that the Russian forum was talking about deactivating theirs. We are having an impact! #boycottShutterstock

« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2020, 11:58 »
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I like the speculation that FB might be negotiating to buy SS.    FB will do absolutely anything to boost ad revenue, it's basically all they care about.   A huge library of dirt cheap stock imagery, integrated with their post editor, would be a natural.  The fact that it's 80% [email protected] is lost on someone like Zuckerberg, who has a closet full of gray t-shirts.

Yep, I agree.

« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2020, 12:02 »
+1
If you believe in conspiracy theories - take a look at this thread.
Somehow I missed the response between the two last posts when I was screen grabbing.

Then "poof" the whole thread went missing. Gone from the group FB page.
Apparently, if you are the thread creator on FB, if you delete it all disappears.
Our "Facebook employee" took their own thread down when I called them out.

What do you guys make of this?

I saw some of her posts. Im pretty sure she was a FB/SS spy. But posts are getting flagged in a lot of FB groups (not just related to microstock) as being spam or goes against community standards, when they are not. I personally think it has to do with who FB does business with. I think they are monitoring groups closely that revolve around their ties to that industry. FB is aligned with SS, FB aligned themselves with pHARMa, like that.

I hope quoting this makes it stay, in case people change what they wrote. FB/SS spies? And trying to infiltrate the group? Really, like someone is so stupid that they couldn't just create a quiet account to watch. Let me help, a spy likes to work in secret not in your face and arguing, attracting attention to their devious plans and plots.

Yes, You can remove posts and comments that you have made on Facebook. You can remove comments others have made on something you've posted, but you cannot delete comments they've left on posts you didn't create. This is also quite ordinary and doesn't need any special access or authority.

NewAfrica different logo maybe trying to imitate and get business? Are the images the same or some other company?

Read Alistair Cottons post. I was agreeing with him. Keep up with the program, Uncle Pete. 🙄

« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2020, 12:07 »
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I have a lot of restepect for Africa studio for disabling their port. They are big enough that even with the now much lower payment from SS, it still means they are missing out on thousands of $ each month by pulling their port. I am also glad for them, because that must also mean that they are making enough profit on other agencies to still keep their company sustainable even with the loss.
I hope the loss of such a huge contributor will help stir customers to other agencies.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2020, 12:08 »
+3
Uncle Pete, I have no idea why would anybody not believe me. I'm 55 years old, professional photographer, feeding my family, high school educated. Why would I come to a forum with a fake news?

Anyone paying attention we resolved the misunderstanding. Like two adults.


« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2020, 12:10 »
+3
I have a lot of restepect for Africa studio for disabling their port. They are big enough that even with the now much lower payment from SS, it still means they are missing out on thousands of $ each month by pulling their port. I am also glad for them, because that must also mean that they are making enough profit on other agencies to still keep their company sustainable even with the loss.
I hope the loss of such a huge contributor will help stir customers to other agencies.

I think they are back up under a different name. I hope I'm wrong.

« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2020, 12:28 »
+1

I think they are back up under a different name. I hope I'm wrong.

I hope so too!
Wouldn't it be weird though to start fresh with a new account? There is nothing to gain, but you lose all the search ranks of your images?

« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2020, 12:39 »
+1
Uncle Pete, I have no idea why would anybody not believe me. I'm 55 years old, professional photographer, feeding my family, high school educated. Why would I come to a forum with a fake news?

Anyone paying attention we resolved the misunderstanding. Like two adults.
Of course we did! :)

« Reply #40 on: June 24, 2020, 12:50 »
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I have a lot of restepect for Africa studio for disabling their port. They are big enough that even with the now much lower payment from SS, it still means they are missing out on thousands of $ each month by pulling their port. I am also glad for them, because that must also mean that they are making enough profit on other agencies to still keep their company sustainable even with the loss.
I hope the loss of such a huge contributor will help stir customers to other agencies.

I think they are back up under a different name. I hope I'm wrong.
Yes
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/newafrica
Also from Ukraine
And the style of images is very similar to the "old" Africa studio

« Reply #41 on: June 24, 2020, 13:06 »
+2
I have a lot of restepect for Africa studio for disabling their port. They are big enough that even with the now much lower payment from SS, it still means they are missing out on thousands of $ each month by pulling their port. I am also glad for them, because that must also mean that they are making enough profit on other agencies to still keep their company sustainable even with the loss.
I hope the loss of such a huge contributor will help stir customers to other agencies.

I think they are back up under a different name. I hope I'm wrong.
Yes
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/newafrica
Also from Ukraine
And the style of images is very similar to the "old" Africa studio

*sigh*
So much about that.

« Reply #42 on: June 24, 2020, 13:19 »
+2
I have a lot of restepect for Africa studio for disabling their port. They are big enough that even with the now much lower payment from SS, it still means they are missing out on thousands of $ each month by pulling their port. I am also glad for them, because that must also mean that they are making enough profit on other agencies to still keep their company sustainable even with the loss.
I hope the loss of such a huge contributor will help stir customers to other agencies.


I think they are back up under a different name. I hope I'm wrong.
Yes
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/newafrica
Also from Ukraine
And the style of images is very similar to the "old" Africa studio

Thats disappointing. Renegotiation?

Shelma1

« Reply #43 on: June 24, 2020, 13:24 »
+2
New Africa has a port at other sites as well. Im guessing Shutterstock gave them permission to have more than one account. Not sure why theyd disable one and not the other.

« Reply #44 on: June 24, 2020, 13:48 »
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New Africa has a port at other sites as well. Im guessing Shutterstock gave them permission to have more than one account. Not sure why theyd disable one and not the other.

One reason may be a split within the company... Then everyone went their own way with their share of the loot...
I can't actually say...

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #45 on: June 24, 2020, 13:51 »
+2
New Africa has a port at other sites as well. Im guessing Shutterstock gave them permission to have more than one account. Not sure why theyd disable one and not the other.
Maybe (speculating) it's like Cathy said, they have negotiated a different rate for specific content. Yuri has two ports on iS, for example, though I have no inside info that it's for that reason.

« Reply #46 on: June 24, 2020, 14:45 »
+1
99.99% same factory.

https://new-africa.com/en/

Scroll down and see the text

"Africa studio

Welcome to the world of modern commercial images and footages.

Bright, creative and trendy images and footages will help you visualize any subject and field of activity."


One of their facebook statuses: https://www.facebook.com/375787673274853/photos/a.375787723274848/375789186608035/
« Last Edit: June 24, 2020, 15:07 by flywing »


« Reply #47 on: June 24, 2020, 14:49 »
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So, they create them own website to sell them content.

Smart move

Edit: I was wrong, they just re-direct to SS or other agencies

« Reply #48 on: June 24, 2020, 15:28 »
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It's huge news. Other big players are joining in. Buyers will be annoyed as hell.
Jon says he does not want our content on Twitter. That goes for the big players too.

My conspiracy theory is that Facebook is about to buy Shutterstock and wants the prices pushed down so that they can give our stock assets away to their advertisers.

That's why FB was so quick to gag the Inside Imaging article. Also would explain why SS seems to have lost the plot wrt to dealing with their contributors. It's FB pulling their strings now.
That would make a lot of sense if true. Facebook are good at ruining things. Instagram for example.

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Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #49 on: June 25, 2020, 11:22 »
+1
If you believe in conspiracy theories - take a look at this thread.
Somehow I missed the response between the two last posts when I was screen grabbing.

Then "poof" the whole thread went missing. Gone from the group FB page.
Apparently, if you are the thread creator on FB, if you delete it all disappears.
Our "Facebook employee" took their own thread down when I called them out.

What do you guys make of this?

I saw some of her posts. Im pretty sure she was a FB/SS spy. But posts are getting flagged in a lot of FB groups (not just related to microstock) as being spam or goes against community standards, when they are not. I personally think it has to do with who FB does business with. I think they are monitoring groups closely that revolve around their ties to that industry. FB is aligned with SS, FB aligned themselves with pHARMa, like that.

I hope quoting this makes it stay, in case people change what they wrote. FB/SS spies? And trying to infiltrate the group? Really, like someone is so stupid that they couldn't just create a quiet account to watch. Let me help, a spy likes to work in secret not in your face and arguing, attracting attention to their devious plans and plots.

Yes, You can remove posts and comments that you have made on Facebook. You can remove comments others have made on something you've posted, but you cannot delete comments they've left on posts you didn't create. This is also quite ordinary and doesn't need any special access or authority.

NewAfrica different logo maybe trying to imitate and get business? Are the images the same or some other company?

Read Alistair Cottons post. I was agreeing with him. Keep up with the program, Uncle Pete. 🙄

Yeah I know, it's just the spy stuff that got me sidetracked.  8)

Since I'm not on FB and I don't read all the tweets and I didn't join the group, just because I don't follow FB, nothing else. What was the name and why was it blanked out? Public service, public posts, I'd see nothing wrong with including their name. I only gathered it was a she from one of your posts? Makes me wonder who that was.

New Africa has a port at other sites as well. Im guessing Shutterstock gave them permission to have more than one account. Not sure why theyd disable one and not the other.

One reason may be a split within the company... Then everyone went their own way with their share of the loot...
I can't actually say...

Yes we can speculate all we want, as I wrote in the other same subject, someone write and ask them?

BS, SS and AS are now NewAfrica, some of the old sites are the old names. I didn't dig for account numbers on SS and BS, but the point would be, they changed names, at more than just SS owned sites.

https://stock.adobe.com/contributor/293313/africa-studio ID 293313  100 pages
https://stock.adobe.com/ru/contributor/293582/NewAfrica ID 293582 100 pages

I rejoined when Adobe bought FT.  I'm ID# 205931477

belchonock
https://www.123rf.com/profile_belchonock  1,069,790
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/belchonock has no images.
belchonock IS 171490 Photos

Deposit: liudmilachernetska  439,914
DT: Chernetskaya  551,099 files

Quite a spread of account sizes? Different names and accounts. Who knows what that actually means? Nothing top secret all links from https://new-africa.com/en/buy-photo/

But in the end, still on SS and BS.

« Reply #50 on: June 25, 2020, 11:53 »
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Yeah I know, it's just the spy stuff that got me sidetracked.  8)

Since I'm not on FB and I don't read all the tweets and I didn't join the group, just because I don't follow FB, nothing else. What was the name and why was it blanked out? Public service, public posts, I'd see nothing wrong with including their name. I only gathered it was a she from one of your posts? Makes me wonder who that was.

Not sure why he blacked out the name. Her first name was Svetlana, dont remember the last. She claimed to work for FB, but then her arguments were strange. Anyway, what she was saying made it seem like she was pro-SS/FB, hence the spy speculation. You had to be there. 😀

Thats disappointing about africastudio. In the end, everybody can be bought for a price. Im sure it was all negotiating tactics between them and SS. Oringer has lots of toys to pay for.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #51 on: June 25, 2020, 12:37 »
+2
Yeah I know, it's just the spy stuff that got me sidetracked.  8)

Since I'm not on FB and I don't read all the tweets and I didn't join the group, just because I don't follow FB, nothing else. What was the name and why was it blanked out? Public service, public posts, I'd see nothing wrong with including their name. I only gathered it was a she from one of your posts? Makes me wonder who that was.

Not sure why he blacked out the name. Her first name was Svetlana, dont remember the last. She claimed to work for FB, but then her arguments were strange. Anyway, what she was saying made it seem like she was pro-SS/FB, hence the spy speculation. You had to be there. 😀

Thats disappointing about africastudio. In the end, everybody can be bought for a price. Im sure it was all negotiating tactics between them and SS. Oringer has lots of toys to pay for.

Thanks, half the population of Russia is named Svetlana. (the other half is male)  ;)

About the censorship. I don't agree, but quoting from recent news:

Under current law, platforms are allowed to moderate anything they find "obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable. The DOJ, however, suggests that this standard is too vague and says the "otherwise objectionable" language should be removed from the law.

So for example, FB can find anything they want to be "objectionable" and remove it. Whether they are protecting a business alliance, the API which FB uses SS images, or something else, complaints, who knows what, I don't know. Apparently the first amendment doesn't apply to social platforms, unless it's someone trying to sue another person for what they post. But the platforms are not required to allow us to post, what they don't want and aren't actually liable for what individual users post.
 

« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2020, 13:37 »
+3
....

Not out of character... At all!

Exceedingly unwise to do business with this let them eat character. Jon's business plan is/was a major contributor to where we find ourselves today.

Let Jon eat cake and move on!

« Reply #53 on: June 25, 2020, 13:41 »
0
If you believe in conspiracy theories - take a look at this thread.
Somehow I missed the response between the two last posts when I was screen grabbing.

Then "poof" the whole thread went missing. Gone from the group FB page.
Apparently, if you are the thread creator on FB, if you delete it all disappears.
Our "Facebook employee" took their own thread down when I called them out.

What do you guys make of this?

I saw some of her posts. Im pretty sure she was a FB/SS spy. But posts are getting flagged in a lot of FB groups (not just related to microstock) as being spam or goes against community standards, when they are not. I personally think it has to do with who FB does business with. I think they are monitoring groups closely that revolve around their ties to that industry. FB is aligned with SS, FB aligned themselves with pHARMa, like that.

I hope quoting this makes it stay, in case people change what they wrote. FB/SS spies? And trying to infiltrate the group? Really, like someone is so stupid that they couldn't just create a quiet account to watch. Let me help, a spy likes to work in secret not in your face and arguing, attracting attention to their devious plans and plots.

Yes, You can remove posts and comments that you have made on Facebook. You can remove comments others have made on something you've posted, but you cannot delete comments they've left on posts you didn't create. This is also quite ordinary and doesn't need any special access or authority.
I f I am correct FB is collecting also post or comment if you are not publishing or deleting before posting. If you just typing.

« Reply #54 on: June 25, 2020, 17:24 »
+1
Yeah I know, it's just the spy stuff that got me sidetracked.  8)

Since I'm not on FB and I don't read all the tweets and I didn't join the group, just because I don't follow FB, nothing else. What was the name and why was it blanked out? Public service, public posts, I'd see nothing wrong with including their name. I only gathered it was a she from one of your posts? Makes me wonder who that was.

Not sure why he blacked out the name. Her first name was Svetlana, dont remember the last. She claimed to work for FB, but then her arguments were strange. Anyway, what she was saying made it seem like she was pro-SS/FB, hence the spy speculation. You had to be there. 😀

Thats disappointing about africastudio. In the end, everybody can be bought for a price. Im sure it was all negotiating tactics between them and SS. Oringer has lots of toys to pay for.

Thanks, half the population of Russia is named Svetlana. (the other half is male)  ;)

About the censorship. I don't agree, but quoting from recent news:

Under current law, platforms are allowed to moderate anything they find "obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable. The DOJ, however, suggests that this standard is too vague and says the "otherwise objectionable" language should be removed from the law.

So for example, FB can find anything they want to be "objectionable" and remove it. Whether they are protecting a business alliance, the API which FB uses SS images, or something else, complaints, who knows what, I don't know. Apparently the first amendment doesn't apply to social platforms, unless it's someone trying to sue another person for what they post. But the platforms are not required to allow us to post, what they don't want and aren't actually liable for what individual users post.

You arent on FB anyway, you said. And yes, I know its a popular name. Its irrelevant.  ;)

« Reply #55 on: June 25, 2020, 21:06 »
+6
A post on the Coalition FB page says Africastudio is reactivated again and images are coming back online. Looks like they may have used us little guys and #boycottShutterstock to negotiate themselves a sweet deal. 😡
« Last Edit: June 25, 2020, 21:18 by cathyslife »

« Reply #56 on: June 26, 2020, 03:18 »
0
I dont what but there is something fishy going on about the numbers.

I checked Iakov Filimonovs (he deactivated his port some time a go) page yesterday and there were 200K files online. Today it shows 6k online.

Is there any way shutterstock activates and deactivates portfolis time to time to manipulate the numbers?
« Last Edit: June 26, 2020, 03:23 by theendup »


« Reply #57 on: June 26, 2020, 05:07 »
+1
Yesterday Africastudio had around 650 online images on Shutterstock.
Currently they have 96706 images there, so they are obviosly coming back online.

« Reply #58 on: June 26, 2020, 15:11 »
+5
congrats this whole thread is useless

« Reply #59 on: June 26, 2020, 19:17 »
+4
Some cushy custom deals (likely just keeping the old deal) done with the large contributors then.
Divide and rule works.  It really does.

« Reply #60 on: June 26, 2020, 20:40 »
+4
congrats this whole thread is useless

Not at all.

« Reply #61 on: June 26, 2020, 20:44 »
+2
Looks like SS had some pressure to start making deals with some of the larger players

« Reply #62 on: June 26, 2020, 21:59 »
+4
Which would mean that the direction to go would in general be joining portfolios and negotiating terms and accepting more and more people to join on the way. The bigger we get the better the deal at the end and more people would want to join if for nothing to get better terms.

And then in one moment in future maybe we would have a collection that would work as an agency on its own.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2020, 22:16 by Lizard »

whtvr2

« Reply #63 on: June 27, 2020, 01:03 »
0
Some cushy custom deals (likely just keeping the old deal) done with the large contributors then.
Divide and rule works.  It really does.

This is not divide and rule, you cannot deal and negotiate same with a producer of 500.000 and one of 5000 pieces either talking microstock either talking apples.

At the end of the day, those are the professionals constantly supplying and they can retract 20.000 best sellers and leave 480.000 of no or low sellers but yet good useful stock files. We don't know what the producer think or intend to do.

« Reply #64 on: June 28, 2020, 08:27 »
+3

My conspiracy theory is that Facebook is about to buy Shutterstock and wants the prices pushed down so that they can give our stock assets away to their advertisers.


You could be on to something. Higher earnings at their PE so that Oringer can buy more cars n crap.

« Reply #65 on: June 28, 2020, 10:33 »
+5
Africastudio may not have got a deal. Don't forget the campaign was originally deactivate for a week or as long as you can. They could have just been showing their disapproval and are going back online while they consider their options. If they aren't cut a deal they could well stop uploading new content or be on the look out for an exclusive deal elsewhere.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #66 on: June 29, 2020, 15:06 »
0
Yesterday Africastudio had around 650 online images on Shutterstock.
Currently they have 96706 images there, so they are obviosly coming back online.

Right = 1,309,222 stock photos
New Africa has 400,000+

No proof of any of the other claims or conjecture.


Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #67 on: June 29, 2020, 15:20 »
+1
Yeah I know, it's just the spy stuff that got me sidetracked.  8)

Since I'm not on FB and I don't read all the tweets and I didn't join the group, just because I don't follow FB, nothing else. What was the name and why was it blanked out? Public service, public posts, I'd see nothing wrong with including their name. I only gathered it was a she from one of your posts? Makes me wonder who that was.

Not sure why he blacked out the name. Her first name was Svetlana, dont remember the last. She claimed to work for FB, but then her arguments were strange. Anyway, what she was saying made it seem like she was pro-SS/FB, hence the spy speculation. You had to be there. 😀

Thats disappointing about africastudio. In the end, everybody can be bought for a price. Im sure it was all negotiating tactics between them and SS. Oringer has lots of toys to pay for.

Thanks, half the population of Russia is named Svetlana. (the other half is male)  ;)

About the censorship. I don't agree, but quoting from recent news:

Under current law, platforms are allowed to moderate anything they find "obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable. The DOJ, however, suggests that this standard is too vague and says the "otherwise objectionable" language should be removed from the law.

So for example, FB can find anything they want to be "objectionable" and remove it. Whether they are protecting a business alliance, the API which FB uses SS images, or something else, complaints, who knows what, I don't know. Apparently the first amendment doesn't apply to social platforms, unless it's someone trying to sue another person for what they post. But the platforms are not required to allow us to post, what they don't want and aren't actually liable for what individual users post.

You arent on FB anyway, you said. And yes, I know its a popular name. Its irrelevant.  ;)

A joke about the name Svetlana but apparently you don't understand humor. And yes it is my elephant.

« Reply #68 on: June 29, 2020, 17:51 »
+1
Yeah I know, it's just the spy stuff that got me sidetracked.  8)

Since I'm not on FB and I don't read all the tweets and I didn't join the group, just because I don't follow FB, nothing else. What was the name and why was it blanked out? Public service, public posts, I'd see nothing wrong with including their name. I only gathered it was a she from one of your posts? Makes me wonder who that was.

Not sure why he blacked out the name. Her first name was Svetlana, dont remember the last. She claimed to work for FB, but then her arguments were strange. Anyway, what she was saying made it seem like she was pro-SS/FB, hence the spy speculation. You had to be there. 😀

Thats disappointing about africastudio. In the end, everybody can be bought for a price. Im sure it was all negotiating tactics between them and SS. Oringer has lots of toys to pay for.

Thanks, half the population of Russia is named Svetlana. (the other half is male)  ;)

About the censorship. I don't agree, but quoting from recent news:

Under current law, platforms are allowed to moderate anything they find "obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable. The DOJ, however, suggests that this standard is too vague and says the "otherwise objectionable" language should be removed from the law.

So for example, FB can find anything they want to be "objectionable" and remove it. Whether they are protecting a business alliance, the API which FB uses SS images, or something else, complaints, who knows what, I don't know. Apparently the first amendment doesn't apply to social platforms, unless it's someone trying to sue another person for what they post. But the platforms are not required to allow us to post, what they don't want and aren't actually liable for what individual users post.

You arent on FB anyway, you said. And yes, I know its a popular name. Its irrelevant.  ;)

A joke about the name Svetlana but apparently you don't understand humor. And yes it is my elephant.

Duh, no Im too stupid to understand humor. But then you know that. 😉😂

« Reply #69 on: June 30, 2020, 10:05 »
0
Yeah I know, it's just the spy stuff that got me sidetracked.  8)

Since I'm not on FB and I don't read all the tweets and I didn't join the group, just because I don't follow FB, nothing else. What was the name and why was it blanked out? Public service, public posts, I'd see nothing wrong with including their name. I only gathered it was a she from one of your posts? Makes me wonder who that was.

Not sure why he blacked out the name. Her first name was Svetlana, dont remember the last. She claimed to work for FB, but then her arguments were strange. Anyway, what she was saying made it seem like she was pro-SS/FB, hence the spy speculation. You had to be there. 😀

Thats disappointing about africastudio. In the end, everybody can be bought for a price. Im sure it was all negotiating tactics between them and SS. Oringer has lots of toys to pay for.

Thanks, half the population of Russia is named Svetlana. (the other half is male)  ;)

About the censorship. I don't agree, but quoting from recent news:

Under current law, platforms are allowed to moderate anything they find "obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable. The DOJ, however, suggests that this standard is too vague and says the "otherwise objectionable" language should be removed from the law.

So for example, FB can find anything they want to be "objectionable" and remove it. Whether they are protecting a business alliance, the API which FB uses SS images, or something else, complaints, who knows what, I don't know. Apparently the first amendment doesn't apply to social platforms, unless it's someone trying to sue another person for what they post. But the platforms are not required to allow us to post, what they don't want and aren't actually liable for what individual users post.

You arent on FB anyway, you said. And yes, I know its a popular name. Its irrelevant.  ;)

He has 2 Facebook accounts, I found them in less then a minute.

« Reply #70 on: Yesterday at 04:20 »
+1
"Africa studio

Welcome to the world of modern commercial images and footages.

Bright, creative and trendy images and footages will help you visualize any subject and field of activity."


For such a big company earning so much money in the microstock industry, I'm surprised they couldn't afford to pay someone to do a grammar check on their text. 'Footage' is an uncountable noun by the way. What they wrote doesn't sound very professional.

Regardless, I was really hoping their split from SS would be permanent. Though that is clearly not the case.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #71 on: Yesterday at 06:32 »
+2
[OT]
For such a big company earning so much money in the microstock industry, I'm surprised they couldn't afford to pay someone to do a grammar check on their text. 'Footage' is an uncountable noun by the way. What they wrote doesn't sound very professional.
It's countable and uncountable. Meaning different pieces of movie footage can be (but 'apparently' doesn't have to be) footages.
(I just googled) It's apparently uncountable when it's a physical length of e.g. timber.
Every day's a schoolday!

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #72 on: Yesterday at 14:47 »
+1
Yeah I know, it's just the spy stuff that got me sidetracked.  8)

Since I'm not on FB and I don't read all the tweets and I didn't join the group, just because I don't follow FB, nothing else. What was the name and why was it blanked out? Public service, public posts, I'd see nothing wrong with including their name. I only gathered it was a she from one of your posts? Makes me wonder who that was.

Not sure why he blacked out the name. Her first name was Svetlana, dont remember the last. She claimed to work for FB, but then her arguments were strange. Anyway, what she was saying made it seem like she was pro-SS/FB, hence the spy speculation. You had to be there. 😀

Thats disappointing about africastudio. In the end, everybody can be bought for a price. Im sure it was all negotiating tactics between them and SS. Oringer has lots of toys to pay for.

Thanks, half the population of Russia is named Svetlana. (the other half is male)  ;)

About the censorship. I don't agree, but quoting from recent news:

Under current law, platforms are allowed to moderate anything they find "obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable. The DOJ, however, suggests that this standard is too vague and says the "otherwise objectionable" language should be removed from the law.

So for example, FB can find anything they want to be "objectionable" and remove it. Whether they are protecting a business alliance, the API which FB uses SS images, or something else, complaints, who knows what, I don't know. Apparently the first amendment doesn't apply to social platforms, unless it's someone trying to sue another person for what they post. But the platforms are not required to allow us to post, what they don't want and aren't actually liable for what individual users post.

You arent on FB anyway, you said. And yes, I know its a popular name. Its irrelevant.  ;)

He has 2 Facebook accounts, I found them in less then a minute.

I meant I'm not on the FB Shutterstock Group, don't follow Jon, or the boycott protest group, or not a member of the stock coalition. Yes I have two accounts, that's no secret.  https://www.facebook.com/Hodag-Media-114201125398572/

None of me are very active or interesting.   :) Sorry if it sounded like I had no account, I do, I just don't go there and don't read or write much. But I think everyone should follow me... LOL


 

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