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« on: September 01, 2021, 05:07 »
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you can no longer say things such as "An American" because it is offensive

You can no longer say "an intelligent person", now you have to say "a person with intelligence"

You can no longer say "An American person", it has to be "A person from America"

You can't say "A winner", you have to say "A person who has won"

You can't say a "cook", you have to say "a person who cooks"

You can no longer say "A patient", it has to be "a person who has sickness"

You can no longer say "A fireman", it has to be "A person who is employed in fire suppression as a career"

great job. well thought out.


« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2021, 05:08 »
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I am a fat person, I am Italian, I am American, I am pre-diabetic, I am also a short person.

« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2021, 05:10 »
+4
please remember to send an email to all your customers / stock buyers notifying them they cannot do searches anymore for 'hispanic' because they are being racist

(hispanic means "a person who speaks spanish", as defined by US government)

« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2021, 05:41 »
+4
You make it sound like Shutterstock doesn't want the use of adjectives, but that's not what the guidelines say?

They don't say you are supposed to say "a person of hispanic origin" instead of " a hispanic person". They say you are not supposed to say "A hispanic" only, without referring to a hispanic person as a person. And that's an example taken directly from the guidelines.
They basically don't want you to use Adjectives as nouns, which, strictly speaking, isn't grammatically correct anyways. How they are to go about this with keywords I don't know though. I would never have titeled an image with for example a hispanic woman as "A Hispanic doing yoga". I would always have written "A hispanic woman doing yoga", for example. But of course I would have used the word "hispanic" in they keywords. It's an adjective accurately discribing the image after all.

It's kind of confusing - ever since I have been a member of Shutterstock, they keep sending me shot lists in which they tell me they want diversity. Like, EACH month. It's always: Add more black people, add more Asian people, add more homosexual people, add more disabled people, add more overweight people" and so on.... but now SS wants me to add more diverse people, but doesn't possibly want me to describe them with accurate adjectives, so cusomers searching for these keywords won't even find the images?  I guess I am lucky I don't shoot people then. It seems like a new confusing guideline that the reviewers will randomly misinterpret like they do with the similar rule. SS' guidelines on similar images were pretty clear actually, yet reviewers keep randomly rejecting images that are completely in complaice with the gudielines and others keep ignoring the gudielines completely, aproving 30 almost identical images in a row.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2021, 05:57 by Firn »

« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2021, 05:56 »
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according to SS you cannot say:

"Italians live in Italy"

or "Americans like to eat fast food"

"A Hispanic walks into a bar" is not offensive. in English, the word "person" is implied

"a diabetic" is not an offensive phrase


Banned from shutterstock under new guidelines for being offensive:

"I love Hispanics"

"I help diabetics out of my love for medicine"

"I love Americans"

"Let's give a round of applause for all the diabetc hispanics who recovered"

« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2021, 05:58 »
+2
according to SS you cannot say:

Banned from shutterstock under new guidelines for being offensive:

"I love Hispanics"

"I help diabetics out of my love for medicine"

"I love Americans"

"Let's give a round of applause for all the diabetc hispanics who recovered"
They want you to use it like this:

"I love hispanic people"

"I help diabetic people out of my love for medicine"

"I love American people"

"Let's give a round of applause for all the diabetc hispanic people who recovered"


It's better anyways, because if a cusomer seraches for "diapetic person", he will not get shown your image titeled/keyworded  with "diabetic" only. On the other hand a customer searching for "diabetic" only will get an image titeled/keyworded "diabetic person" as well.
And it really makes sense to add "person" or "woman", "child" or "man" to it, otherwise it's really not very specific. Could just as well be a diabetic cat, which might not be what the customer is looking for at all.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2021, 06:04 by Firn »

« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2021, 06:01 »
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permitted on shutterstock:

"photo of a hispanic person failing to win the race to faster white runner"

"photo of person with diabetes overconsuming sugary foods while white doctor advises him not to"

"photo of hispanic person stabbing a white person"

now I get it, the above are not offensive

« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2021, 06:03 »
+2
according to SS you cannot say:

Banned from shutterstock under new guidelines for being offensive:

"I love Hispanics"

"I help diabetics out of my love for medicine"

"I love Americans"

"Let's give a round of applause for all the diabetc hispanics who recovered"
They want you to use it like this:

"I love hispanics people"

"I help diabetic people out of my love for medicine"

"I love American people"

"Let's give a round of applause for all the diabetc hispanic people who recovered"


It's better anyways, because if a cusomer seraches for "diapetic person", he will not get shown your image titeled/keyworded  with "diabetic" only. On the other hand a customer searching for "diabetic" only will get an image titeled/keyworded "diabtic person" as well.

your idea of adding 'person' is wrong because it does not specify if it is a good person or a bad person. it dehumanizes good people because it lumps all good and bad people together. try:


"I love good hispanic people"

"I help good diabetic people out of my love for medicine"

"I love good American people"

"Let's give a round of applause for all the good diabetc hispanic people who recovered"

« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2021, 06:04 »
+3
using "I" is dehumanizing.

you must say "I as a person" in order to not be offensive.

« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2021, 06:06 »
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according to SS you cannot say:

Banned from shutterstock under new guidelines for being offensive:

"I love Hispanics"

"I help diabetics out of my love for medicine"

"I love Americans"

"Let's give a round of applause for all the diabetc hispanics who recovered"
They want you to use it like this:

"I love hispanics people"

"I help diabetic people out of my love for medicine"

"I love American people"

"Let's give a round of applause for all the diabetc hispanic people who recovered"


It's better anyways, because if a cusomer seraches for "diapetic person", he will not get shown your image titeled/keyworded  with "diabetic" only. On the other hand a customer searching for "diabetic" only will get an image titeled/keyworded "diabtic person" as well.

your idea of adding 'person' is wrong because it does not specify if it is a good person or a bad person. it dehumanizes good people because it lumps all good and bad people together. try:


I don't care whether it  is"wrong" or "right" to you, it's what the Shutterstock guidelines say you are supposed to do and this is a therad about Shutterstock's guidelines.

Quote
Use adjectives and not nouns when referring to a persons race or ethnicity.

    e.g., say a Hispanic person (adj.) rather than a Hispanic (n.)


« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2021, 06:06 »
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you should never say "medicine" because some medicines are harmful, such as macrolide antibiotics.

from now on, you must always say "medicines that are not harmful" and stop using offensive and harmful words such as "medicine"

« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2021, 06:11 »
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it is offensive to use the term "Shutterstock" because some cameras do not use shutters, and therefor it hurts the feelings of camera owners that have cameras that do not use shutters. therefor the name should be changed to:

Stock-from-shutter-and-non-shutter-based-cameras.com

also you have to stop using ".com" because it implies capitalism.

« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2021, 06:14 »
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What has happened to this forum

« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2021, 06:19 »
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you said: "I don't care whether it  is"wrong" or "right" to you, it's what the Shutterstock guidelines say you are supposed to do and this is a therad about Shutterstock's guidelines."

in France it is illegal for a private company to regulate language

« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2021, 06:23 »
+3
ok, now I understand.

you should not say "A diebetic in a fast food restaurant eating a hamburger" because it does not indicate that it is a person, and dogs can be diabetic so people looking at the photo of the person might think he is a dog


I went to my doctor and said "I am diabetic" and he was confused because he was not sure if I was a person or not

I told my friend "I am Italian" and everyone got offended

« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2021, 06:25 »
+3
you cannot say "photo of an Italian walking into a bar" because people might think it is Italian food walking into the bar and not a person.

or they might think it is some other Italian non-human thing in the photo.

« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2021, 06:28 »
+2
is Shutterstock a company? because they do not identify themselves as "the Shutterstock Company" so I am confused if they have been de-companied. saying "I work at Shutterstock" reduces the corporate status because we do not know if Shutterstock is a company or a person. does it mean they work for a person named Shutterstock? we need strict guidelines for this.


« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2021, 06:33 »
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can we say "a mechanic fixing a car" or do we have to say "a person who is a mechanic fixing a car"

can we say "a psychologist" or do we have to say "a person with a degree in psychology"

can we say "a student studying" or do we have to say "a person who is a student engaging in a behavior that by definition is to study"

« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2021, 06:37 »
+1
something you should add to your guidelines.

some parents are not human. for example, dogs can be parents. so I think it is offensive to use the word 'parents' to describe humans. therefor, please add a guideline that any reference to 'parents' that are human should be written as 'human parents' so there is no confusion and no dehumanization.



« Last Edit: September 01, 2021, 07:04 by unnonimus »

« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2021, 06:38 »
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my father is a biological male.

you forgot to add to your guidelines that we should always say "biological male father" to differentiate between a photo of a "non biological male father". we don't want to diminish someone's parental status

also you failed to announced that 'pregnant mother' must always be written as 'birthing person who is pregnant'

« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2021, 06:41 »
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I do like your idea about age ranges. we should use an age range to describe people as mentioned in your guidelines. for example, I could say "65 year old person" instead of 'pensioner' because pensioner implies the person is not human.

I will now start using the same idea for weight. such as a '300 pound person with 40 inch waste' instead of a fat person. I will bring a scale to all of my shoots with models and weigh them all and I will be sure to disclose it prominently in my images

and for the women I will put their dress size instead of saying they are fat

I will do the same for students. if the student is posing as being stupid, I will just put "90 IQ person" so it is not offensive.

« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2021, 06:45 »
+1

« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2021, 06:54 »
+2
some suggestions for banning:

"damaged car" should be written as "automobile that has sustained damage"

"pollution" should be "environmental area that is polluted"

all religious words also need to be removed because some people are not religious.

please remove all references to christmas, thanksgiving, halloween, and other holidays as they are not inclusive.

« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2021, 06:56 »
+2
some people are color blind. please remove all references to color from your site.

please remove all american flags because they are offensive.

« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2021, 06:58 »
+2
not everyone understands english. please remove all use of english from your site and only use international languages.

some people have lower incomes and cannot afford to buy stock photos. please make all stock photos free so as to fulfill your destiny of being inclusive.

« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2021, 07:07 »
+1
please create a new guideline for listing vaccination status with all images with or without people. we want to make sure everyone is vaccinated so we should also include nature photos, animals, inanimate objects, abstracts, etc for vaccination declaration.

I will start by voluntarily adding vaccination status to all of my photos.

"unvaccinated healthy biological male living life without respiratory infection" is an example of what people should write for a portrait of a biological male

« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2021, 07:13 »
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excerpts: Use adjectives and not nouns when referring to a persons race or ethnicity. e.g., say a Hispanic person (adj.) rather than a Hispanic (n.)

this is INCORRECT.

"a Hispanic person" is not an adjective. it is a noun and an adjective.


« Reply #27 on: September 01, 2021, 07:21 »
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excerpts: Use adjectives and not nouns when referring to a persons race or ethnicity. e.g., say a Hispanic person (adj.) rather than a Hispanic (n.)

never in my mind if I heard someone say "a Hispanic walks into a bar" that the word "hispanic" is a noun. it is an adjective and the noun (person) is implied.

the entire basis for your guidelines is wrong.


« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2021, 07:24 »
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What is an implied subject example?

Implied subjects occur when a sentence does not state the doer of the action, but it is clear to whom the sentence is referring.

"A Hispanic walks into a bar"

the implied subject is "Hispanic person". it is not dehumanizing.


« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2021, 07:28 »
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please stop using any language referring to citizenship, citizen, etc.

please only refer to citizens as 'documented persons'.

for example, "photo of group of people who are now documented"

or "my father upon achieving documented status"

or "Barack Obama, a documented person, giving a speech"

or, "photo of birthing person giving birth to a documented baby"

or, "drawing of George Washington fighting for documented status independent of England"

or, "video of 20 undocumented persons running across border while be chased by 3 documented law enforcement persons"

or, "video of 20 undocumented persons running across border while be chased by 3 persons who are in the country legally"
« Last Edit: September 01, 2021, 07:33 by unnonimus »

« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2021, 07:44 »
+1
Wonder if they are going to enforce the same thing on buyers, what are they trying to do, erase common sense?

« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2021, 07:49 »
+1
words and phrases now offensive:

"new yorker" such as "new yorker hailing a cab".

"texan", such as "texan driving his truck while waving the Texas flag".

"boater", such as "boater out on the lake with his motorboat"

"surfer", such as "surfer having fun on big waves". now banned

"police", such as "police arrested a non-documented person".

you cannot say 'the police' just like you cannot say 'the hispanics'. very problematic

extremely offensive and dehumanizing

« Reply #32 on: September 01, 2021, 07:53 »
+1
other offensive words:

blonde

brunette

redhead

they are adjectives being used as nouns. not permitted anymore.

« Reply #33 on: September 01, 2021, 08:02 »
+1
you can not say:

"Bedouins walking in the desert"

or "Brazilians cheering on their soccer team"

or "Mongolians living in the mountain plains"

all offensive



« Reply #34 on: September 01, 2021, 08:04 »
+1
also offensive:

"Germans celebrating Oktoberfest"

"Muslims wearing burqas"

"Christians praying to the cross".

"Alaskans tending to their dog sledding team"

« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2021, 08:06 »
+2
"fat" is offensive

you should say:

"person who is not thin"


old is hurtful, so say "person who is no longer young"


« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2021, 08:11 »
+1
words that demean a person should be banned. here are some examples:

"sad girl crying"
"woman suffering from depression"
"person with gunshot wound"

instead we should write them as:

"girl who is not happy crying"
"woman experiencing non happiness"
"person with part of body that is in the process of healing"

"homeless" should be "person without a home"
"landlord" should be "evil straight white man who overcharges POCs"


« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2021, 08:16 »
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For the love of god... and they wonder why the silent majority look at the woke identity politics of today and just shack their heads. They talk about being inclusive while placing everyone into individual small boxes. Would it be possible just to treat and respect each other as humans rather than focusing on skin colour and differences and placing us into neat groups and trying to figure out ways not to be offensive.... which is more offensive than not trying at all.

It's becoming so crazy now that people are switching off. From someone who is older and not hurt to be mentioned as such... it's a fact of life. What's likely to offend me much more is if someone was to tell me, "You're a person who is no longer young". Why is old, mature... experienced suddenly offensive. It's starting to sound like people are being taught to speak like Yoda!

« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2021, 08:22 »
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please confirm:

can we say something like:

"cheesehead at packers game" or is that also offensive?

it was originally an offensive term to refer to people playing against Wisconsin, so based on its history it is offensive.

just like to point out that searching for 'cheesehead' on shutterstock pulls up a lot of problematic images:

https://www.shutterstock.com/search/cheesehead
« Last Edit: September 01, 2021, 08:25 by unnonimus »

« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2021, 08:27 »
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"vegan" is offensive and must be removed because it dehumanizes people.

for example:

"a vegan eating kale"

« Reply #40 on: September 01, 2021, 08:29 »
+1
you need to put this in your guidelines.

people cannot say this because it is offensive:

"a hispanic vegan texan waving the texas flag while eating kale and speaking spanish"

it dehumanizes people.

« Reply #41 on: September 01, 2021, 08:35 »
+1
can I say I have a 'black lab' or does it decanine dogs?

« Reply #42 on: September 01, 2021, 08:36 »
+1
can I say:

"photo of a vegan eating beef" or does it deveganize people who have vegan beliefs?

« Reply #43 on: September 01, 2021, 08:37 »
+1
and we thought China controlled its people. Wait, am I allowed to say that?

« Reply #44 on: September 01, 2021, 08:42 »
+1
about seven years ago I got verbally warned to stop saying at work -"Have a Merry Christmas" or "God bless you"...

« Reply #45 on: September 01, 2021, 08:59 »
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question for Shutterstock.

are these new guidelines just for sellers, or do they apply to buyers to?

its your company and you can whatever you want, so enforce these guidelines on your buyers. i do not want my photo of a person of hispanic heritage to be described as a 'hispanic person' on one of your buyer's blogs.

please post a copy of your new guidelines for your buyers so we can verify that you are not  dehumanizing sellers.

« Reply #46 on: September 01, 2021, 09:08 »
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shutterstock demands we follow their new rules, but they do not follow their own rules.

their auto complete for searches, and keywords, are filled with prohibited terms such as 'illegal immigrant', 'homeless', 'poor people', 'gay men', 'hispanic isolated', etc.

this makes me feel dehumanized when I have to obey rules that you yourself do not follow


« Reply #47 on: September 01, 2021, 10:18 »
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For the love of God. It's not "woke" people making anyone do anything. It is corporations like Shutterstock virtue signalling in the easiest cheapest way possible for them. It isnt the left going too far. Its billionaires and their companies not doing a single concrete thing for anyone while pretending to give a flying f**k about anything but their bottom line. And you are falling for it and arguing over identity politics BS instead of eating the rich. You want to know what SSs actual ethos is? Take a look at the kind of things JO and that other person running the company Tweet.

« Reply #48 on: September 01, 2021, 10:35 »
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I live in a country that bought into this woke crap.

Here, if you go to anyone and ask their favorite color, they will refuse to answer. I am not exaggerating, I have tested this. They will not disclose their favorite foods, hobbies, nothing, because they have been drilled into thinking everything is wrong.

They have been scared shitless because of speech regulation.

They only will say what they think is okay to say by society's standards, and they are incapable of talking about themselves as individuals.

« Reply #49 on: September 01, 2021, 10:38 »
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Yeah, no

« Reply #50 on: September 01, 2021, 10:41 »
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I'm guessing there could be another reason why people wont share any personal information with you IRL...

« Reply #51 on: September 01, 2021, 12:09 »
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It's just Shutterstock ticking boxes. In practice, nothing will change.

« Reply #52 on: September 01, 2021, 12:38 »
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Telling you what you may say, and what you may not is fascism itself. Isn't that irony. The "woke" fascistic mob.

« Reply #53 on: September 01, 2021, 13:49 »
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Thank you for this thread.

I got tired of physically liking all your comments OP, so just to say I like them and they made me smile.

I now have to go find these guidelines as I stopped SS sending me emails a long while ago.

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« Reply #54 on: September 01, 2021, 14:23 »
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I think somebody has a slightly unhealthy level of anger in regards to these rule changes. While I can understand why somebody might be opposed to these changes, I'm having a bit of trouble understanding why somebody would have quite that amount of opposition to these changes! Chill out, it's not the end of the world.

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« Reply #55 on: September 02, 2021, 02:07 »
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It's all lip-service to their stakeholders, take no notice of a sudden "sensitivity" about race/ethnicity/gender blahblah....if they cared so much about people they wouldn't have cut our commissions during the middle of a pandemic.

Best regards,

A person from Brazil

« Reply #56 on: September 02, 2021, 13:20 »
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I pictured OP as Peter Finch from Network - I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take this anymore! Not that I disagree with anything he said. It seems people completely forgot what happened in the 1930's and 1940's. Btw Piers Morgan was acquitted today about his comments concerning MM. So not all is lost


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« Reply #57 on: September 02, 2021, 13:56 »
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I'm going to ignore the 20-posts-in-a-row-monologue-rant from last page.

But I will say this:
While in some cases, the whole identity politics thing is going too far, generally I can understand that they want to avoid titles that ASSUME things without being verifyable "A Hispanic walking on grass" may not be "correct" for two (valid) reasons:

- You don't know for sure if the person depicted is indeed Hispanic, or is of a mixed background. Maybe the person is part Hungarian for all we know. Misidentification can happen.
- You can't define or identify people solely based on their nationality, their gender or the way they look. Or maybe it's not even relevant to the picture.

That being said, having to jump through all kinds of hoops just to get a politically correct title like "A person identifying as a man who was born and lives in Spain walking on what is presumed to be a grassy field" goes too far. It makes life needlessly difficult.

« Reply #58 on: September 02, 2021, 20:47 »
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Funny, ridiculous, Hard to believe this bla bla bla of SS.  ;D ;D ;D

« Reply #59 on: September 03, 2021, 00:49 »
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"Reset" of search results will happen. For many of portfolio holders it is not physically possible to rename and re-keyword their photos and videos. SS of course will promote the "correct" ones.

« Reply #60 on: September 03, 2021, 03:36 »
+5
All these things in the USA are hilarious.

I don't know how you can even talk.

« Reply #61 on: September 03, 2021, 08:39 »
+4
All these things in the USA are hilarious.

I don't know how you can even talk.

We use sign language now.

« Reply #62 on: September 03, 2021, 09:32 »
+4
All these things in the USA are hilarious.

I don't know how you can even talk.

We use sign language now.

I submitted my middle finger a few years back and it was rejected  :(

« Reply #63 on: September 03, 2021, 09:55 »
+1
All these things in the USA are hilarious.

I don't know how you can even talk.

We use sign language now.

I submitted my middle finger a few years back and it was rejected  :(


Then maybe you should check the quality of your middle finger.  🖕
Your middle finger must be crisp and sharp, like my wife's, which earned me a few bucks throughout the years.  🖕

Besides my wife's, there are over 100k middle fingers for sale on SS  🖕

https://www.shutterstock.com/search/middle+finger

« Last Edit: September 03, 2021, 09:58 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #64 on: September 03, 2021, 09:55 »
+1
All these things in the USA are hilarious.

I don't know how you can even talk.

We use sign language now.

I submitted my middle finger a few years back and it was rejected  :(

Same here. Never made it into their collection.

« Reply #65 on: September 03, 2021, 10:57 »
0
All these things in the USA are hilarious.

I don't know how you can even talk.

We use sign language now.

I submitted my middle finger a few years back and it was rejected  :(


Then maybe you should check the quality of your middle finger.  🖕
Your middle finger must be crisp and sharp, like my wife's, which earned me a few bucks throughout the years.  🖕

Besides my wife's, there are over 100k middle fingers for sale on SS  🖕

https://www.shutterstock.com/search/middle+finger

 ;D


 

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