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Agency Based Discussion => Shutterstock.com => Topic started by: Unamas on January 06, 2022, 13:14
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It took 6 days to reach level 2 and earn $33. It's 33 cents per download thanks to today's $18 single. How is your progress?
By the way I have the same earnings on Adobe with 32 downloads.
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I reached level 2 yesterday with an even $10. Today I had further 30 downloads so far with one single outlier of 11 cent.
But ok, the year is still young. ;)
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My income this year is 10 cents (Canadian) that's before expenses and taxes. lol
Level 1 on SS for photos. Could always be worse, could be Alamy.
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$11.34 for 45 downloads from shutterstock.
$42 for 33 downloads at AS.
Last year I had to wait until January 11 to reach level 2. After that it got better. Let's see how it goes this year.
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$11.34 for 45 downloads from shutterstock.
$42 for 33 downloads at AS.
Last year it took me until January 11 to reach level 1. After that it got better with the downloads. Let's see what happens this year.
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Sorry, I had an error message. Therefore, my answer is now there twice.
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I've already made four times as much on AS than SS.
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My income this year is 10 cents (Canadian) that's before expenses and taxes. lol
Level 1 on SS for photos. Could always be worse, could be Alamy.
Oh, I've had a 2022 sale on Alamy and it netted me a whole $1.20 (US)!
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I'm not at level 2 yet but I have double the downloads I had this time last year. Unfortunately, so far I have the same RPD as last January which is $0.19.
Just one sale on Adobe so far for $0.33.
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I'm not at level 2 yet but I have double the downloads I had this time last year. Unfortunately, so far I have the same RPD as last January which is $0.19.
Just one sale on Adobe so far for $0.33.
The one good indicator is download are happening and that means customer demand is alive and well, makes sense with restrictions, lockdowns and travel being high risk and expensive as omicron grips the world, customers are using stock video and photos vs on location shooting.
Unfortunately the agencies (SS and Alamy) are in full screw the contributors mode but we do see demand for the product is alive and well so that's one good thing, now to figure out a financially viable way to sell it and make a living at it again.
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Things are very slow for me at SS. So far only $7. At AS I'm at $25, at Alamy $33 net.
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37 DL for $20.91
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SS: 24 dls, 2,75$ (2,43€)
AS: 27 dls, 24,59€
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I've already made four times as much on AS than SS.
Yep, same boat here. More than 4X actually closer to 5X. Very unusual for me. Level 2 reached but slow going with the amounts. Very early days though.
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It took 6 days to reach level 2 and earn $33. It's 33 cents per download thanks to today's $18 single. How is your progress?
By the way I have the same earnings on Adobe with 32 downloads.
* I must be doing something wrong hahaha
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Level 2...for $28 in total *.
OK so its Christmas and new year holiday week but i'd normally be on 4-5x that money by this date.
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Shutterstock 2022:
Level 1 RPD = 17c
Level 2 RPD = 26c
Adobe 2022 RPD to date = 91c
Other sites don't have enough sales yet to make any statistics meaningful, but Shutterstock is showing the lowest RPD all round.
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8 video downloads so far: 36.11$, 2 more sales to reach level 2.
It's easy to calculate the loss with video sales, I was on level 4 last month: 30%, now I'm on level 1: 15%, so my earnings should be 72.22$ this month if I'm at level 4 (30%) ::)
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8 video downloads so far: 36.11$, 2 more sales to reach level 2.
It's easy to calculate the loss with video sales, I was on level 4 last month: 30%, now I'm on level 1: 15%, so my earnings should be 72.22$ this month if I'm at level 4 (30%) ::)
One video sale P5 today 29,05$, AD yesterday 32$.
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My income this year is 10 cents (Canadian) that's before expenses and taxes. lol
Level 1 on SS for photos. Could always be worse, could be Alamy.
Oh, I've had a 2022 sale on Alamy and it netted me a whole $1.20 (US)!
Five times here. Just made level 2, but almost irrelevant. It's sad to see an agency that was my #1 for 150 straight months fall so fast and so far.
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My downloads at SS have declined alarmingly.
None of my best sellers have been sold yet.
My portfolie has been in weekend mode for 7 days.
Also at AS things are unexpectedly very bad.
Nothing is going on at P5 so far, but that's nothing new. I've always had very few DL there.
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My income this year is 10 cents (Canadian) that's before expenses and taxes. lol
Level 1 on SS for photos. Could always be worse, could be Alamy.
Oh, I've had a 2022 sale on Alamy and it netted me a whole $1.20 (US)!
I have 3 video sales at P5 (68.5$) and 1 at AS (22.4$)
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My downloads at SS have declined alarmingly.
None of my best sellers have been sold yet.
My portfolie has been in weekend mode for 7 days.
Also at AS things are unexpectedly very bad.
Nothing is going on at P5 so far, but that's nothing new. I've always had very few DL there.
I guess there is the recession, economy, omicron, also in play and things are getting worse all the way down the line.
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My downloads at SS have declined alarmingly.
None of my best sellers have been sold yet.
My portfolie has been in weekend mode for 7 days.
Also at AS things are unexpectedly very bad.
Nothing is going on at P5 so far, but that's nothing new. I've always had very few DL there.
I guess there is the recession, economy, omicron, also in play and things are getting worse all the way down the line.
What recession? Canada is not in a recession at the moment. Neither is the US...
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January is starting very slow this year... SS 10 downloads, AS 6 downloads.
That way below the numbers I had in other months.
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What recession? Canada is not in a recession at the moment. Neither is the US...
The portfolio could be around content that is not popular right now. For example travel.
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What recession? Canada is not in a recession at the moment. Neither is the US...
The portfolio could be around content that is not popular right now. For example travel.
Maybe. But he is blaming an inexistent recession for whatever problems he has.
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What recession? Canada is not in a recession at the moment. Neither is the US...
The portfolio could be around content that is not popular right now. For example travel.
I have editorial not much travel, a little bit but not much and Toronto is not a travel destination anymore that's for sure.
Interesting you mention travel, you would think it's not even on the radar these days with the economy and omicron but some day and swing traders are hyping up travel stock right now, cruise lines and airlines for some reason, maybe they think once omicron passes it will be good times again but who will have any money left by then?.
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$72 at SS 215 dl
€ 110 at Adobe 155 dl
$ 22 at Alamy 6 dl
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My downloads at SS have declined alarmingly.
None of my best sellers have been sold yet.
My portfolie has been in weekend mode for 7 days.
Also at AS things are unexpectedly very bad.
Nothing is going on at P5 so far, but that's nothing new. I've always had very few DL there.
I guess there is the recession, economy, omicron, also in play and things are getting worse all the way down the line.
What recession? Canada is not in a recession at the moment. Neither is the US...
Depends on what industry you're in I guess, I am in Ontario and in Ontario and Quebec it's near impossible to find any job and I've been looking since the summer, every homeless shelter in southern Ontario is 100% full and it's not all drug addicts, it's people who can't find work and pay rent and our rents have gone to the moon as well, $1200/month for a tiny student room, $3000 for an apartment if you can find one and they want a "letter of employment" and you need to be a working professional, the grocery store doesn't cut it.
I'll be honest, I grew up here, was always working since I was 15, all through school and after and this is the first time I find myself unemployed and I'm not fussy, "anything I can do" is how I look at it and I am a workaholic and enjoy being busy but we all can't become full stack developers over night, there's jobs there and in cybersecurity but it's a good 2-4 years of being back in school full time to retrain and then compete with those who started coding at 12.
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I have never had a good travel photos, but reading Brasilnut user reports posted on "Alexandre Rotenberg's Brutally Honest Guide to Stock Photography & Footage", I could see that his travel portfolio was hard hit by lockdowns.
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My downloads at SS have declined alarmingly.
None of my best sellers have been sold yet.
My portfolie has been in weekend mode for 7 days.
Also at AS things are unexpectedly very bad.
Nothing is going on at P5 so far, but that's nothing new. I've always had very few DL there.
I guess there is the recession, economy, omicron, also in play and things are getting worse all the way down the line.
What recession? Canada is not in a recession at the moment. Neither is the US...
Depends on what industry you're in I guess, I am in Ontario and in Ontario and Quebec it's near impossible to find any job
Sorry for your troubles, but Canada is not in a recession and neither is your province.
Besides:
Employment in Ontario rose for the sixth consecutive month, bringing the province's unemployment rates back below pre-pandemic levels.
https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/toronto/2021/12/3/1_5692371.html
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My downloads at SS have declined alarmingly.
None of my best sellers have been sold yet.
My portfolie has been in weekend mode for 7 days.
Also at AS things are unexpectedly very bad.
Nothing is going on at P5 so far, but that's nothing new. I've always had very few DL there.
I guess there is the recession, economy, omicron, also in play and things are getting worse all the way down the line.
What recession? Canada is not in a recession at the moment. Neither is the US...
Depends on what industry you're in I guess, I am in Ontario and in Ontario and Quebec it's near impossible to find any job
Sorry for your troubles, but Canada is not in a recession and neither is your province.
Besides:
Employment in Ontario rose for the sixth consecutive month, bringing the province's unemployment rates back below pre-pandemic levels.
https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/toronto/2021/12/3/1_5692371.html
Yep!, if you read the job reports in the media all through the pandemic you'd think it was the best of times here and the non-stop stories about the labour shortage and "employers can't find workers", I can start tomorrow, not looking for anything special and min wage is fine. I've been looking for a year and looking and applying HARD since May because the writing was really on the wall for stock video and nothing yet.
If I have the time this weekend I need to deep dive into those stats and see who is actually hiring because just yesterday a company here laid off 5000 min wage workers.
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Yep!, if you read the job reports in the media all through the pandemic you'd think it was the best of times here and the non-stop stories about the labour shortage and "employers can't find workers", I can start tomorrow, not looking for anything special and min wage is fine. I've been looking for a year and looking and applying HARD since May because the writing was really on the wall for stock video and nothing yet.
If I have the time this weekend I need to deep dive into those stats and see who is actually hiring because just yesterday a company here laid off 5000 min wage workers.
Again, sorry for your trouble.
But you can't say that a country is in recession, just because an individual can't find a job, or because a company just fired some of its staff.
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Yep!, if you read the job reports in the media all through the pandemic you'd think it was the best of times here and the non-stop stories about the labour shortage and "employers can't find workers", I can start tomorrow, not looking for anything special and min wage is fine. I've been looking for a year and looking and applying HARD since May because the writing was really on the wall for stock video and nothing yet.
If I have the time this weekend I need to deep dive into those stats and see who is actually hiring because just yesterday a company here laid off 5000 min wage workers.
Again, sorry for your trouble.
But you can't say that a country is in recession, just because an individual can't find a job, or because a company just fired some of its staff.
Precursor to an official recession maybe?, I'm actually trying to figure this out myself, was filming empty Toronto streets, closed business and parked transit buses for stock footage today and I thought it was Sunday morning on a holiday or something and every homeless shelter and emergency shelter is full and it's not all drug addicts in there.
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Yep!, if you read the job reports in the media all through the pandemic you'd think it was the best of times here and the non-stop stories about the labour shortage and "employers can't find workers", I can start tomorrow, not looking for anything special and min wage is fine. I've been looking for a year and looking and applying HARD since May because the writing was really on the wall for stock video and nothing yet.
If I have the time this weekend I need to deep dive into those stats and see who is actually hiring because just yesterday a company here laid off 5000 min wage workers.
Again, sorry for your trouble.
But you can't say that a country is in recession, just because an individual can't find a job, or because a company just fired some of its staff.
Precursor to an official recession maybe?
Nah. The GDP must fall for two consecutive quarters to call it a recession.
Canada's GDP grew for 6 consecutive quarters, so in your "best" case scenario, you could talk about recession 6 months from now, and that's not very likely, based on current forecasts.
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The portfolio could be around content that is not popular right now. For example travel.
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Interesting you mention travel, you would think it's not even on the radar these days with the economy and omicron but some day and swing traders are hyping up travel stock right now, cruise lines and airlines for some reason, maybe they think once omicron passes it will be good times again but who will have any money left by then?. ...
there's a pent up demand for travel as travelers have been at home for 2 years
travel companies & agents(both thru my emails & travel agent groups on FB), esp'ly cruise lines, are advertising for trips later in 2022 & into 2023. i've postponed 2 trips this spring, but all clients have signed on for 2023 departure, and plans for Africa & Bhutan India are getting signup for later in 2022
Unemployment plunged thanks to rapid growth and job creation, falling as fast as it did during the “morning in America” recovery of the early 1980s.... Covid-era recovery has been very unbalanced. Fear of infection has limited demand for in-person services like restaurant meals, and people have compensated by buying physical goods like cars and household appliances. Real purchases of consumer durables are still running more than 20 percent above the prepandemic level, while purchases of services have only recently returned to their level of two years ago.
And supply chains have had a hard time keeping up with surging goods purchases....
Econ 101 tells us what should happen in the face of skewed demand and constrained supply: The prices of the things people are scrambling to buy should rise relative to the prices of things people are still shunning. Sure enough, the ratio of the price index for durable goods to that for services has risen substantially, reversing its normal technology-driven downward trend.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/06/opinion/inflation-unemployment-economy-growth.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/06/opinion/inflation-unemployment-economy-growth.html)
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The portfolio could be around content that is not popular right now. For example travel.
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Interesting you mention travel, you would think it's not even on the radar these days with the economy and omicron but some day and swing traders are hyping up travel stock right now, cruise lines and airlines for some reason, maybe they think once omicron passes it will be good times again but who will have any money left by then?. ...
there's a pent up demand for travel as travelers have been at home for 2 years
travel companies & agents(both thru my emails & travel agent groups on FB), esp'ly cruise lines, are advertising for trips later in 2022 & into 2023. i've postponed 2 trips this spring, but all clients have signed on for 2023 departure, and plans for Africa & Bhutan India are getting signup for later in 2022
Unemployment plunged thanks to rapid growth and job creation, falling as fast as it did during the “morning in America” recovery of the early 1980s.... Covid-era recovery has been very unbalanced. Fear of infection has limited demand for in-person services like restaurant meals, and people have compensated by buying physical goods like cars and household appliances. Real purchases of consumer durables are still running more than 20 percent above the prepandemic level, while purchases of services have only recently returned to their level of two years ago.
And supply chains have had a hard time keeping up with surging goods purchases....
Econ 101 tells us what should happen in the face of skewed demand and constrained supply: The prices of the things people are scrambling to buy should rise relative to the prices of things people are still shunning. Sure enough, the ratio of the price index for durable goods to that for services has risen substantially, reversing its normal technology-driven downward trend.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/06/opinion/inflation-unemployment-economy-growth.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/06/opinion/inflation-unemployment-economy-growth.html)
I hope you're right, definitely an uneven recovery, we are back in a soft-lockdown in Ontario again, the US is still fully open but we aren't. I think what will also change post covid will be education, career and job choices, it's gonna be computer science, engineering, stuff like that, not video or photography or music as a career path or even retail.....they are headed to the homeless shelters right now. https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2021/12/29/she-lost-her-job-his-building-sold-these-are-some-of-thousands-of-people-who-became-homeless-in-toronto-this-year.html (https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2021/12/29/she-lost-her-job-his-building-sold-these-are-some-of-thousands-of-people-who-became-homeless-in-toronto-this-year.html)
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Honestly, when were "the arts" ever really a viable career path? :)
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Honestly, when were "the arts" ever really a viable career path? :)
Rarely, very few ever make it, and I mean, "the arts" to include, art, music, writing, acting, skill and imagination, or creative expression. Good point.
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I have a question regarding model release. does customer get the model release when they download the content with model release ?
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Honestly, when were "the arts" ever really a viable career path? :)
Great point although before April 1 2019 happened I was making $140k to $160k/year when you added up my P5, SS, and videoblocks revenue, and I've read that others did much better in stock before the agencies cut pay and started doing direct deals with distributors and buyers leaving us with a few one-off sales.
Today though I would 1000% not recommend it, I think it's borderline fraud that the colleges and universities here still sell those programs as viable career opportunities, we have 16-17 year old high school students going to these career fairs and being told this is a great career opportunity.
Music was a career for some but now unless your big enough to tour you're paying to come to work with that you can make off Spotify, it's worse than stock video.
There's no money in it today, anything arts related but maybe it could be a side gig that pays once in awhile but not a job.
There's no money in free.
I just regret so much not getting out when April 1 2019 happened, could have got out debt free too.
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Honestly, when were "the arts" ever really a viable career path? :)
Rarely, very few ever make it, and I mean, "the arts" to include, art, music, writing, acting, skill and imagination, or creative expression. Good point.
but now the end product is basically free so no matter how good or creative you are there is no money in free or nearly free music or stock or anything else that's been devalued and disrupted by startups.
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Honestly, when were "the arts" ever really a viable career path? :)
Great point although before April 1 2019 happened I was making $140k to $160k/year when you added up my P5, SS, and videoblocks revenue, and I've read that others did much better in stock before the agencies cut pay and started doing direct deals with distributors and buyers leaving us with a few one-off sales.
Today though I would 1000% not recommend it, I think it's borderline fraud that the colleges and universities here still sell those programs as viable career opportunities, we have 16-17 year old high school students going to these career fairs and being told this is a great career opportunity.
Music was a career for some but now unless your big enough to tour you're paying to come to work with that you can make off Spotify, it's worse than stock video.
There's no money in it today, anything arts related but maybe it could be a side gig that pays once in awhile but not a job.
There's no money in free.
I just regret so much not getting out when April 1 2019 happened, could have got out debt free too.
First I have serious doubts that you can go from 160k per year to 0 per month overnight. Secondly, where did you spend all the money? Because those are big amounts. You certainly knew, that wont last forever, don't you have any savings?
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Honestly, when were "the arts" ever really a viable career path? :)
Great point although before April 1 2019 happened I was making $140k to $160k/year when you added up my P5, SS, and videoblocks revenue, and I've read that others did much better in stock before the agencies cut pay and started doing direct deals with distributors and buyers leaving us with a few one-off sales.
Today though I would 1000% not recommend it, I think it's borderline fraud that the colleges and universities here still sell those programs as viable career opportunities, we have 16-17 year old high school students going to these career fairs and being told this is a great career opportunity.
Music was a career for some but now unless your big enough to tour you're paying to come to work with that you can make off Spotify, it's worse than stock video.
There's no money in it today, anything arts related but maybe it could be a side gig that pays once in awhile but not a job.
There's no money in free.
I just regret so much not getting out when April 1 2019 happened, could have got out debt free too.
First I have serious doubts that you can go from 160k per year to 0 per month overnight. Secondly, where did you spend all the money? Because those are big amounts. You certainly knew, that wont last forever, don't you have any savings?
For those of you paying attention... has anyone noticed Level6 goes from 160K per year to filing for bankruptcy? All over the board.
I don't think the elevator is going to the top floor.
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I have a question regarding model release. does customer get the model release when they download the content with model release ?
My understanding is, No because of privacy issues. You wouldn't want a models name and address and personal information available.
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Honestly, when were "the arts" ever really a viable career path? :)
Great point although before April 1 2019 happened I was making $140k to $160k/year when you added up my P5, SS, and videoblocks revenue, and I've read that others did much better in stock before the agencies cut pay and started doing direct deals with distributors and buyers leaving us with a few one-off sales.
Today though I would 1000% not recommend it, I think it's borderline fraud that the colleges and universities here still sell those programs as viable career opportunities, we have 16-17 year old high school students going to these career fairs and being told this is a great career opportunity.
Music was a career for some but now unless your big enough to tour you're paying to come to work with that you can make off Spotify, it's worse than stock video.
There's no money in it today, anything arts related but maybe it could be a side gig that pays once in awhile but not a job.
There's no money in free.
I just regret so much not getting out when April 1 2019 happened, could have got out debt free too.
Also, you said you were making 3000$ per month at pond5, that 36k per year, where did the rest of the 100k came from, even if half of that was coming from videoblocks, you'd still make 50k per year at SS, did sales there stopped overnight too?
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What recession? Canada is not in a recession at the moment. Neither is the US...
The portfolio could be around content that is not popular right now. For example travel.
Or the portfolio could be "for example" all of mine which nothing is popular right now? LOL :) Talk about slippery slope, race to the bottom and tipping point. I fell over the edge of the cliff. I need to think new and find something that's interesting for buyers, that isn't ordinary and over produced. But for today and tomorrow, it's the NFL...
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Depends on what industry you're in I guess, I am in Ontario and in Ontario and Quebec it's near impossible to find any job and I've been looking since the summer, every homeless shelter in southern Ontario is 100% full and it's not all drug addicts, it's people who can't find work and pay rent and our rents have gone to the moon as well, $1200/month for a tiny student room, $3000 for an apartment if you can find one and they want a "letter of employment" and you need to be a working professional, the grocery store doesn't cut it.
I'll be honest, I grew up here, was always working since I was 15, all through school and after and this is the first time I find myself unemployed and I'm not fussy, "anything I can do" is how I look at it and I am a workaholic and enjoy being busy but we all can't become full stack developers over night, there's jobs there and in cybersecurity but it's a good 2-4 years of being back in school full time to retrain and then compete with those who started coding at 12.
Hope you find something soon.
Meanwhile, this might help, though you might need to switch in the Canadian equivalents.
https://www.ramseysolutions.com/dave-ramsey-7-baby-steps (https://www.ramseysolutions.com/dave-ramsey-7-baby-steps)
I don't agree with everything DR says, but the baby steps make sense. Just jump in where you are.
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Honestly, when were "the arts" ever really a viable career path? :)
Rarely, very few ever make it, and I mean, "the arts" to include, art, music, writing, acting, skill and imagination, or creative expression. Good point.
right & STEM majors were already outperforming any classical liberal arts in universities
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My downloads at SS have declined alarmingly.
None of my best sellers have been sold yet.
My portfolie has been in weekend mode for 7 days.
Also at AS things are unexpectedly very bad.
Nothing is going on at P5 so far, but that's nothing new. I've always had very few DL there.
I guess there is the recession, economy, omicron, also in play and things are getting worse all the way down the line.
What recession? Canada is not in a recession at the moment. Neither is the US...
Depends on what industry you're in I guess, I am in Ontario and in Ontario and Quebec it's near impossible to find any job
Sorry for your troubles, but Canada is not in a recession and neither is your province.
Besides:
Employment in Ontario rose for the sixth consecutive month, bringing the province's unemployment rates back below pre-pandemic levels.
https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/toronto/2021/12/3/1_5692371.html
Yep!, if you read the job reports in the media all through the pandemic you'd think it was the best of times here and the non-stop stories about the labour shortage and "employers can't find workers", I can start tomorrow, not looking for anything special and min wage is fine. I've been looking for a year and looking and applying HARD since May because the writing was really on the wall for stock video and nothing yet.
If I have the time this weekend I need to deep dive into those stats and see who is actually hiring because just yesterday a company here laid off 5000 min wage workers.
It seems the same in my town which has been declining for years. ie shops boarded up outdoor market with less stalls but my country overall is not in recession. I watch someone's videos on YouTube where he looks inside large abandoned houses in Canada that had been empty for years. He never seems to run out of houses to explore. Maybe they were abandoned during a recession
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but now the end product is basically free so no matter how good or creative you are there is no money in free or nearly free music or stock or anything else that's been devalued and disrupted by startups.
but there IS money in free -- in addition to stock, film and music continue to be produced despite your claims that startups ruined everything. you have to be flexible & willing to face the market as it IS, not how it was yesterday and not how you wish it was. paradigm shift happens
seems like some grapes are just getting more sour
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Honestly, when were "the arts" ever really a viable career path? :)
Great point although before April 1 2019 happened I was making $140k to $160k/year when you added up my P5, SS, and videoblocks revenue, and I've read that others did much better in stock before the agencies cut pay and started doing direct deals with distributors and buyers leaving us with a few one-off sales.
Today though I would 1000% not recommend it, I think it's borderline fraud that the colleges and universities here still sell those programs as viable career opportunities, we have 16-17 year old high school students going to these career fairs and being told this is a great career opportunity.
Music was a career for some but now unless your big enough to tour you're paying to come to work with that you can make off Spotify, it's worse than stock video.
There's no money in it today, anything arts related but maybe it could be a side gig that pays once in awhile but not a job.
There's no money in free.
I just regret so much not getting out when April 1 2019 happened, could have got out debt free too.
First I have serious doubts that you can go from 160k per year to 0 per month overnight. Secondly, where did you spend all the money? Because those are big amounts. You certainly knew, that wont last forever, don't you have any savings?
Videoblocks closed to individual contributors, sales crashed at my #1 which was pond and SS was never that strong, I kept operating full tilt, upgraded equipment and put in a ton of hours, 18 hour days on the road filming and the upload/tag/repeat.
I didn't see April 1 2019 coming, sure nothing lasts forever but I didn't see warning signs until around March 15th when other contributors started saying sales stopped and the it hit me on April 1, keep in mind taxes, expenses and next thing you know I am pulling out the credit cards, I stayed in way to long thinking I could pull off a recovery and now it's not gonna recover, the market has changed too much, barely a hobby that pays now.
It sure was good while it lasted, was looking at the old tax returns for the paperwork I have to prepare and if definitely was good back then.
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My downloads at SS have declined alarmingly.
None of my best sellers have been sold yet.
My portfolie has been in weekend mode for 7 days.
Also at AS things are unexpectedly very bad.
Nothing is going on at P5 so far, but that's nothing new. I've always had very few DL there.
I guess there is the recession, economy, omicron, also in play and things are getting worse all the way down the line.
What recession? Canada is not in a recession at the moment. Neither is the US...
Depends on what industry you're in I guess, I am in Ontario and in Ontario and Quebec it's near impossible to find any job
Sorry for your troubles, but Canada is not in a recession and neither is your province.
Besides:
Employment in Ontario rose for the sixth consecutive month, bringing the province's unemployment rates back below pre-pandemic levels.
https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/toronto/2021/12/3/1_5692371.html (https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/toronto/2021/12/3/1_5692371.html)
Too tired to write an essay tonight but here's another story on how amazing the economy is in Ontario Canada and the last paragraph talks about nearing full employment and worker shortages.
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/canada-caps-record-jobs-year-as-monthly-gain-doubles-estimates-1.1704364 (https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/canada-caps-record-jobs-year-as-monthly-gain-doubles-estimates-1.1704364)
The bulk of this year’s gains will be driven by newcomers to the country, rather than the pandemic unemployed returning to the workforce. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government plans to increase immigration levels this year to new highs, while foreign students have begun to return after border restrictions were lifted last year. Employment of native-born Canadians has been flat for almost a decade.
If the recovery doesn’t stall, workers shortages are likely to become the big labor market issue for 2022.
“We’re not going to be able to add 100,000 jobs month in and month out,” RBC’s Nye said. The jobless rate falling below 6 per cent is an “indication that we’re probably nearing full employment.”
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Too tired to write an essay tonight but here's another story on how amazing the economy is in Ontario Canada and the last paragraph talks about nearing full employment and worker shortages.
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/canada-caps-record-jobs-year-as-monthly-gain-doubles-estimates-1.1704364 (https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/canada-caps-record-jobs-year-as-monthly-gain-doubles-estimates-1.1704364)
The bulk of this year’s gains will be driven by newcomers to the country, rather than the pandemic unemployed returning to the workforce. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government plans to increase immigration levels this year to new highs, while foreign students have begun to return after border restrictions were lifted last year. Employment of native-born Canadians has been flat for almost a decade.
If the recovery doesn’t stall, workers shortages are likely to become the big labor market issue for 2022.
“We’re not going to be able to add 100,000 jobs month in and month out,” RBC’s Nye said. The jobless rate falling below 6 per cent is an “indication that we’re probably nearing full employment.”
You are only confirming what I said, Canada is not in recession, unemployment si low and a lot of jobs are available.
Not having the skills or training to benefit from one of those many available jobs is your personal challenge.
Sorry for your troubles, but blaming others (e.g. immigrants) is not helping.
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Honestly, when were "the arts" ever really a viable career path? :)
Great point although before April 1 2019 happened I was making $140k to $160k/year when you added up my P5, SS, and videoblocks revenue, and I've read that others did much better in stock before the agencies cut pay and started doing direct deals with distributors and buyers leaving us with a few one-off sales.
Today though I would 1000% not recommend it, I think it's borderline fraud that the colleges and universities here still sell those programs as viable career opportunities, we have 16-17 year old high school students going to these career fairs and being told this is a great career opportunity.
Music was a career for some but now unless your big enough to tour you're paying to come to work with that you can make off Spotify, it's worse than stock video.
There's no money in it today, anything arts related but maybe it could be a side gig that pays once in awhile but not a job.
There's no money in free.
I just regret so much not getting out when April 1 2019 happened, could have got out debt free too.
First I have serious doubts that you can go from 160k per year to 0 per month overnight. Secondly, where did you spend all the money? Because those are big amounts. You certainly knew, that wont last forever, don't you have any savings?
Videoblocks closed to individual contributors, sales crashed at my #1 which was pond and SS was never that strong, I kept operating full tilt, upgraded equipment and put in a ton of hours, 18 hour days on the road filming and the upload/tag/repeat.
I didn't see April 1 2019 coming, sure nothing lasts forever but I didn't see warning signs until around March 15th when other contributors started saying sales stopped and the it hit me on April 1, keep in mind taxes, expenses and next thing you know I am pulling out the credit cards, I stayed in way to long thinking I could pull off a recovery and now it's not gonna recover, the market has changed too much, barely a hobby that pays now.
It sure was good while it lasted, was looking at the old tax returns for the paperwork I have to prepare and if definitely was good back then.
Sounds like poor cash flow management and no understanding of how to run a business.
Also, blaming immigrants is lame. How is it they come to a new country with zero references and experience and succeed, yet the workaholic 'Canadian' can't find a job? Seriously, if you can't find a job then you are not applying yourself.
You actually come across as self entitled and a victim in all of your rants.
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Honestly, when were "the arts" ever really a viable career path? :)
Great point although before April 1 2019 happened I was making $140k to $160k/year when you added up my P5, SS, and videoblocks revenue, and I've read that others did much better in stock before the agencies cut pay and started doing direct deals with distributors and buyers leaving us with a few one-off sales.
Today though I would 1000% not recommend it, I think it's borderline fraud that the colleges and universities here still sell those programs as viable career opportunities, we have 16-17 year old high school students going to these career fairs and being told this is a great career opportunity.
Music was a career for some but now unless your big enough to tour you're paying to come to work with that you can make off Spotify, it's worse than stock video.
There's no money in it today, anything arts related but maybe it could be a side gig that pays once in awhile but not a job.
There's no money in free.
I just regret so much not getting out when April 1 2019 happened, could have got out debt free too.
First I have serious doubts that you can go from 160k per year to 0 per month overnight. Secondly, where did you spend all the money? Because those are big amounts. You certainly knew, that wont last forever, don't you have any savings?
Videoblocks closed to individual contributors, sales crashed at my #1 which was pond and SS was never that strong, I kept operating full tilt, upgraded equipment and put in a ton of hours, 18 hour days on the road filming and the upload/tag/repeat.
I didn't see April 1 2019 coming, sure nothing lasts forever but I didn't see warning signs until around March 15th when other contributors started saying sales stopped and the it hit me on April 1, keep in mind taxes, expenses and next thing you know I am pulling out the credit cards, I stayed in way to long thinking I could pull off a recovery and now it's not gonna recover, the market has changed too much, barely a hobby that pays now.
It sure was good while it lasted, was looking at the old tax returns for the paperwork I have to prepare and if definitely was good back then.
Sounds like poor cash flow management and no understanding of how to run a business.
Also, blaming immigrants is lame. How is it they come to a new country with zero references and experience and succeed, yet the workaholic 'Canadian' can't find a job? Seriously, if you can't find a job then you are not applying yourself.
You actually come across as self entitled and a victim in all of your rants.
I'll give you that, I should have closed the business and walked away two months after the massive sales drop at pond on April 1 2019 but you always think it's gonna come back, maybe just a "summer slump" as they used to call it.
Not blaming the immigrants from India, they are here legally, but come visit sometime and see who is working and who is in the homeless shelters, once the Indian mangers are in all the black, Asian and white are gone and it's all Indian and I'm not looking for anything high end, Walmart, fast food, light industry, whatever.
I wish you could actually come here and see and then try and get a job here, just some entry level or general labour stuff, you'd be a shocked as I was, a friend of mine who is a black student here is also running into the same problem I am.
I'm actually glad that the story mentioned the elephant in the room, no one hires native Canadians anymore, I'm surprised they mentioned it.
You should visit southern Ontario and see for yourself.
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I'm actually glad that the story mentioned the elephant in the room, no one hires native Canadians anymore, I'm surprised they mentioned it.
Define "native Canadian".
Are you part of the First Nations people, or just the descendent of other immigrants? 😉
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Too tired to write an essay tonight but here's another story on how amazing the economy is in Ontario Canada and the last paragraph talks about nearing full employment and worker shortages.
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/canada-caps-record-jobs-year-as-monthly-gain-doubles-estimates-1.1704364 (https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/canada-caps-record-jobs-year-as-monthly-gain-doubles-estimates-1.1704364)
The bulk of this year’s gains will be driven by newcomers to the country, rather than the pandemic unemployed returning to the workforce. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government plans to increase immigration levels this year to new highs, while foreign students have begun to return after border restrictions were lifted last year. Employment of native-born Canadians has been flat for almost a decade.
If the recovery doesn’t stall, workers shortages are likely to become the big labor market issue for 2022.
“We’re not going to be able to add 100,000 jobs month in and month out,” RBC’s Nye said. The jobless rate falling below 6 per cent is an “indication that we’re probably nearing full employment.”
You are only confirming what I said, Canada is not in recession, unemployment si low and a lot of jobs are available.
Not having the skills or training to benefit from one of those many available jobs is your personal challenge.
Sorry for your troubles, but blaming others (e.g. immigrants) is not helping.
Re-read the story from BNN, they aren't hiring native Canadians. Better still come visit and maybe apply for some jobs, I don't know if you're black, Asian or white but it's all India here from fast food to Walmart to whatever and they will hand your application right back to you if you apply in person and tell you they only hire their own nationality.
I'm assuming A) You are still employed and B) you aren't in southern Ontario.
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I'm actually glad that the story mentioned the elephant in the room, no one hires native Canadians anymore, I'm surprised they mentioned it.
Define "native Canadian".
Are you part of the First Nations people, or just the descendent of other immigrants? 😉
The story doesn't define native Canadian but I am a white Canadian, born here, parents from Italy, the immigrants we are talking about are from India and they only hire their own, you need to come visit and see for your self and apply for some jobs and be laughed at and told "sorry buddy but only hire our nationality".
I have a black college student here in my building who I've known for a long time and he's been laughed out of every workplace just like me, he is looking for part time as he's in school and I'm looking for full time but we are now both applying for jobs in other provinces for the summer.
You remind me of those woke left wingers who believe there's a job for everyone until you're out of work and suddenly realize no one will hire you because of your race.
Unfortunately, my background is camera work, my diploma is in photography and that's not even a listed skill here anymore, my accountant had to get creative when filing by return last year so I do have to go back to school and retrain for something relevant like perhaps full stack developer or something.
Right now I'm just trying to get a min wage job doing anything I can do and I'm lucky that I will do anything, some people insist on staying in their field, I'd be so much happier doing something completely different to be honest, video served me well but cleaning hotel rooms or working in fast food would pay so much better and I'd actually get paid by the hour so I am actually looking forward to change, just need to get hired.
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Too tired to write an essay tonight but here's another story on how amazing the economy is in Ontario Canada and the last paragraph talks about nearing full employment and worker shortages.
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/canada-caps-record-jobs-year-as-monthly-gain-doubles-estimates-1.1704364 (https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/canada-caps-record-jobs-year-as-monthly-gain-doubles-estimates-1.1704364)
The bulk of this year’s gains will be driven by newcomers to the country, rather than the pandemic unemployed returning to the workforce. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government plans to increase immigration levels this year to new highs, while foreign students have begun to return after border restrictions were lifted last year. Employment of native-born Canadians has been flat for almost a decade.
If the recovery doesn’t stall, workers shortages are likely to become the big labor market issue for 2022.
“We’re not going to be able to add 100,000 jobs month in and month out,” RBC’s Nye said. The jobless rate falling below 6 per cent is an “indication that we’re probably nearing full employment.”
You are only confirming what I said, Canada is not in recession, unemployment si low and a lot of jobs are available.
Not having the skills or training to benefit from one of those many available jobs is your personal challenge.
Sorry for your troubles, but blaming others (e.g. immigrants) is not helping.
Re-read the story from BNN, they aren't hiring native Canadians. Better still come visit and maybe apply for some jobs, I don't know if you're black, Asian or white but it's all India here from fast food to Walmart to whatever and they will hand your application right back to you if you apply in person and tell you they only hire their own nationality.
I'm assuming A) You are still employed and B) you aren't in southern Ontario.
You said that you don't blame immigrants for your lack of success, but you are shamelessly blaming indian immigrants.
Your family is also a family of immigrants, no different than the immigrants you blame for your incapacity to adapt to the labor market competition ::)
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Honestly, when were "the arts" ever really a viable career path? :)
Great point although before April 1 2019 happened I was making $140k to $160k/year when you added up my P5, SS, and videoblocks revenue, and I've read that others did much better in stock before the agencies cut pay and started doing direct deals with distributors and buyers leaving us with a few one-off sales.
Today though I would 1000% not recommend it, I think it's borderline fraud that the colleges and universities here still sell those programs as viable career opportunities, we have 16-17 year old high school students going to these career fairs and being told this is a great career opportunity.
Music was a career for some but now unless your big enough to tour you're paying to come to work with that you can make off Spotify, it's worse than stock video.
There's no money in it today, anything arts related but maybe it could be a side gig that pays once in awhile but not a job.
There's no money in free.
I just regret so much not getting out when April 1 2019 happened, could have got out debt free too.
First I have serious doubts that you can go from 160k per year to 0 per month overnight. Secondly, where did you spend all the money? Because those are big amounts. You certainly knew, that wont last forever, don't you have any savings?
Videoblocks closed to individual contributors, sales crashed at my #1 which was pond and SS was never that strong, I kept operating full tilt, upgraded equipment and put in a ton of hours, 18 hour days on the road filming and the upload/tag/repeat.
I didn't see April 1 2019 coming, sure nothing lasts forever but I didn't see warning signs until around March 15th when other contributors started saying sales stopped and the it hit me on April 1, keep in mind taxes, expenses and next thing you know I am pulling out the credit cards, I stayed in way to long thinking I could pull off a recovery and now it's not gonna recover, the market has changed too much, barely a hobby that pays now.
It sure was good while it lasted, was looking at the old tax returns for the paperwork I have to prepare and if definitely was good back then.
Sounds like poor cash flow management and no understanding of how to run a business.
Also, blaming immigrants is lame. How is it they come to a new country with zero references and experience and succeed, yet the workaholic 'Canadian' can't find a job? Seriously, if you can't find a job then you are not applying yourself.
You actually come across as self entitled and a victim in all of your rants.
I'll give you that, I should have closed the business and walked away two months after the massive sales drop at pond on April 1 2019 but you always think it's gonna come back, maybe just a "summer slump" as they used to call it.
Not blaming the immigrants from India, they are here legally, but come visit sometime and see who is working and who is in the homeless shelters, once the Indian mangers are in all the black, Asian and white are gone and it's all Indian and I'm not looking for anything high end, Walmart, fast food, light industry, whatever.
I wish you could actually come here and see and then try and get a job here, just some entry level or general labour stuff, you'd be a shocked as I was, a friend of mine who is a black student here is also running into the same problem I am.
I'm actually glad that the story mentioned the elephant in the room, no one hires native Canadians anymore, I'm surprised they mentioned it.
You should visit southern Ontario and see for yourself.
You are presuming I am not from where you are... That is another story.
You sound like a typical WOKE Canadian who is upset by anything and everything and blaming everything and anything on everyone else.
The race card you are bringing up is really a tiring conversation. I also find it intriguing that you have had employers say "sorry buddy we only hire our nationality".
Your conversation is ever changing, consistently weak, and if I was hiring I would not hire you, and yes I am a white Canadian. I am not of Italian heritage so you could use that against me for not hiring you if it makes you feel better.
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I watch someone's videos on YouTube where he looks inside large abandoned houses in Canada that had been empty for years. He never seems to run out of houses to explore.
I wouldn't take that to mean anything significant though. Is it Abandoned Urbex Canada? If it is then I mean, 14m houses in Canada, 86 videos total... that's 0.0006% of total houses in Canada.
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The story doesn't define native Canadian but I am a white Canadian, born here, parents from Italy, the immigrants we are talking about are from India and they only hire their own, you need to come visit and see for your self and apply for some jobs and be laughed at and told "sorry buddy but only hire our nationality"....,
continued racist nonsense - blame the 'other'
why does ontario have so many problems when BC with a HIGHER % of Indians is performing well?
Province Indian Percentage
Ontario 774,495 5.8%
British Columbia 309,315 6.7%
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-s-jobless-rate-down-to-5-9-still-the-only-province-notably-above-pre-pandemic-employment-levels-1.5616370
and you're claiming about 1/20th of the population is able to control all jobs in Ontario? unbelievable
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The woke mob, they see racism everywhere.
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The woke mob, they see racism everywhere.
That's because your previous "moderated" remark was textbook racism and the admins saw it exactly like it was.
Too bad you don't realize it.
So, what are you doing in a forum moderated by "woke" admins, when there are plenty of white supremacist boards out there?
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The woke mob, they see racism everywhere.
Up to a point I agree with you, there certainly is a lot of overcompensating going on in the WOKE crowd, but your moderated comment was "textbook racism" (as noted by Zero Talent) and is completely pathetic.
I feel sorry for you.
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I decided to try Shutterstock this year again (my portfolio was disabled since mid of 2020). Enabled my portfolio, got 11 downloads in a row of 0.10$ and decided that my decision was a stupid one :). Now I have a disabled portfolio again with a balance of 1.10$ :)
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The woke mob, they see racism everywhere.
And much much more.....
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11 days.
Interestingly today I went to level 2 in videos and photos total of 92.70 Adobe 64.35 so far.
I love Adobe and I see that many of you sell more there than SS.
But not with me.
the order is
SS, Istock and Adobe , Pond 5 .....every month.
Maybe lifestyle and extreme sports sell more in others.
Higher RPD yes in Adobe without a doubt..
Good year and sales to all.
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I don't submit to thieves so I could care less what level I am on!
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I don't submit to thieves so I couldn't care less what level I am on!
I was reviewing my earnings with the SS and came across something that I thought was an image.
I "earned" $0.50. A little more than the paltry $0.10 that I usually get. Further investigation revealed that it was a clip that sold for a minimum $65us.
I think jjneff's "thieves" description is understated.
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Still a miserable start of the new year.
SS $27 so far.
AS $80 so far.
But here in Germany, for example, many companies had Christmas vacations until the end of last week. I expect things to get a little better again from the beginning of next week.
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Horrid start to the new year
SS $21
AS $21
ALY $25
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Honestly, when were "the arts" ever really a viable career path? :)
Great point although before April 1 2019 happened I was making $140k to $160k/year when you added up my P5, SS, and videoblocks revenue, and I've read that others did much better in stock before the agencies cut pay and started doing direct deals with distributors and buyers leaving us with a few one-off sales.
Today though I would 1000% not recommend it, I think it's borderline fraud that the colleges and universities here still sell those programs as viable career opportunities, we have 16-17 year old high school students going to these career fairs and being told this is a great career opportunity.
Music was a career for some but now unless your big enough to tour you're paying to come to work with that you can make off Spotify, it's worse than stock video.
There's no money in it today, anything arts related but maybe it could be a side gig that pays once in awhile but not a job.
There's no money in free.
I just regret so much not getting out when April 1 2019 happened, could have got out debt free too.
First I have serious doubts that you can go from 160k per year to 0 per month overnight. Secondly, where did you spend all the money? Because those are big amounts. You certainly knew, that wont last forever, don't you have any savings?
Videoblocks closed to individual contributors, sales crashed at my #1 which was pond and SS was never that strong, I kept operating full tilt, upgraded equipment and put in a ton of hours, 18 hour days on the road filming and the upload/tag/repeat.
I didn't see April 1 2019 coming, sure nothing lasts forever but I didn't see warning signs until around March 15th when other contributors started saying sales stopped and the it hit me on April 1, keep in mind taxes, expenses and next thing you know I am pulling out the credit cards, I stayed in way to long thinking I could pull off a recovery and now it's not gonna recover, the market has changed too much, barely a hobby that pays now.
It sure was good while it lasted, was looking at the old tax returns for the paperwork I have to prepare and if definitely was good back then.
I have the same experience with P5, it was my best seller until April 2019 where income dropped from 1500 - 2000$ to 100$ and it's still the same until now. The worst is that I went exclusive at that date and put all my best sellers into my P5 account, and instead of getting more sales I've lost everything. After trying exclusivity for several months I went back to SS and it was a huge loss there as I lost all my videos ranking.
My average monthly income for last year: 100$ P5, 600$ SS(with fewer videos than P5), and 60$ at AS (no editorials which makes big difference)
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I don't submit to thieves so I could care less what level I am on!
You couldn't care less... i.e. it would not be possible for you to care any less, about what level you are on, than you do currently.
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If not a wonder happens this will be my worst January at SS since 2004 and by a wide margin terrible!
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Tier 2 benefits in reality = 1 extra cent
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Tier 2 benefits in reality = 1 extra cent
Tier 3 benefits in reality = 0 extra cents
(But these would probably have been 10 cents at every level. I am more worried about higher amount sales right now as that's where I am missing out more significant amounts of money.)
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SS - $152 approaching level 4 but lots of $0.10
AS - $535 approaching a normal month
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The woke mob, they see racism everywhere.
And much much more.....
Bye
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I don't understand why people care about levels. Even on the highest level I still earn 10 cents per photo.
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I don't understand why people care about levels. Even on the highest level I still earn 10 cents per photo.
I care about levels, because it makes a big difference to me whether I get 47$ for a SOD sale on level 1 or 160$ for the same sale on level 5. :D
And since non-subscription sales are pretty much the only ones where you can make decent money on SS that makes leveling up even more important.
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I don't understand why people care about levels. Even on the highest level I still earn 10 cents per photo.
True
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I don't understand why people care about levels. Even on the highest level I still earn 10 cents per photo.
I care about levels, because it makes a big difference to me whether I get 47$ for a SOD sale on level 1 or 160$ for the same sale on level 5. :D
And since non-subscription sales are pretty much the only ones where you can make decent money on SS that makes leveling up even more important.
True, But I think she mean we have 10 cent in any levels
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I don't understand why people care about levels. Even on the highest level I still earn 10 cents per photo.
I care about levels, because it makes a big difference to me whether I get 47$ for a SOD sale on level 1 or 160$ for the same sale on level 5. :D
And since non-subscription sales are pretty much the only ones where you can make decent money on SS that makes leveling up even more important.
True, But I think she mean we have 10 cent in any levels
Yes, of course we have, but she also said "I don't understand why people care about levels" and I explained why I cared about them.
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Are OODs also dependant on levels?
Anyway very sucky month only subs, no SODs, no ODDs, with this pace I wont even reach payout limit, first time since 2014.
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Are OODs also dependant on levels?
Yes, all sales are.
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I don't understand why people care about levels. Even on the highest level I still earn 10 cents per photo.
;)because it makes a big difference to me whether I get 47$ for a SOD sale on level 1 or 160$ for the same sale on level 5. :D
And since non-subscription sales are pretty much the only ones where you can make decent money on SS that makes leveling up even more important.
Thanks Firn for setting the record straight. Somehow the level discussions here always go in circles ;)
I would also like to add that the higher subs are also increasing towards a dollar, which are now also still there.
I slipped into Level 3 yesterday and am already making significantly more revenue than I did with Adobe.
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Are OODs also dependant on levels?
Yes, all sales are.
Yes, right, that's the point. For subs, levels are nearly irrelevant, but for other sales where we get commissions, levels make a difference.
I guess this needs to be posted again?
(https://i.postimg.cc/brQs1krD/SS-earnings-level-June-2020.jpg)
Where the trick is with the Subs is, most of the time, they are paying us more than the percentage, because there's a 10˘ minimum, and the price of the download is so low, that they have to give us more. Everything in the pink we get more money than the level percentage would have earned.
(https://i.postimg.cc/TPMCqz8y/ss-large-pack-subs.jpg)
Example of a level 3 person and a sub from a 350 pack. The buyer pays 39 cents, level 3 gets 25% which would be .0975 so SSTK raises it to 10 cents. A level 1 same license sale, at 15% would earn us .0585 which forces SSTK to elevate the amount to 10 cents.
Please accept this as humor, but that means SSTK is losing money on every sale, when they have to pay us more than our promised commission, because of the guaranteed minimum. I feel so sad for their loss.
However if they charge a real value price for a download, then we get the level percentage.
And just think, the more 10c sales anyone gets, the faster we rise into a higher level! Exciting? Where we still get 10 cents, except the rare OD, SO and EL licenses.
Going for a higher level
(https://i.postimg.cc/bNN4wKTg/manhamp.gif)
What we really get for sub downloads
(https://i.postimg.cc/90KPyBG4/zombie-walking.gif)
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SS - $152 approaching level 4 but lots of $0.10
AS - $535 approaching a normal month
How many images and how many videos do you have in your portfolio? Your numbers are strong.
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SS - $152 approaching level 4 but lots of $0.10
AS - $535 approaching a normal month
How many images and how many videos do you have in your portfolio? Your numbers are strong.
AS - Images 16k - 2.5k Video
SS - Images 12k - 2.5k Video
I don't upload as much to SS now, much of my focus is on AS.
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Are OODs also dependant on levels?
Yes, all sales are.
Yes, right, that's the point. For subs, levels are nearly irrelevant, but for other sales where we get commissions, levels make a difference.
I guess this needs to be posted again?
(https://i.postimg.cc/brQs1krD/SS-earnings-level-June-2020.jpg)
Where the trick is with the Subs is, most of the time, they are paying us more than the percentage, because there's a 10˘ minimum, and the price of the download is so low, that they have to give us more. Everything in the pink we get more money than the level percentage would have earned.
(https://i.postimg.cc/TPMCqz8y/ss-large-pack-subs.jpg)
Example of a level 3 person and a sub from a 350 pack. The buyer pays 39 cents, level 3 gets 25% which would be .0975 so SSTK raises it to 10 cents. A level 1 same license sale, at 15% would earn us .0585 which forces SSTK to elevate the amount to 10 cents.
Please accept this as humor, but that means SSTK is losing money on every sale, when they have to pay us more than our promised commission, because of the guaranteed minimum. I feel so sad for their loss.
However if they charge a real value price for a download, then we get the level percentage.
And just think, the more 10c sales anyone gets, the faster we rise into a higher level! Exciting? Where we still get 10 cents, except the rare OD, SO and EL licenses.
Going for a higher level
(https://i.postimg.cc/bNN4wKTg/manhamp.gif)
What we really get for sub downloads
(https://i.postimg.cc/90KPyBG4/zombie-walking.gif)
I think with the subs you have to remember that almost nobody uses their entire subscription. That is why back in the day when SS raised prices they would wait a month or 2 to see what the rates were and then have the new tiers (or whatever it was that got us to .25,.... to .38 per sub download. You better believe they weren't losing money even if they would have had the subscribers downloaded all they were allowed to. By changing things now they can charge less and still make a killing paying out .10 (or whatever pittance higher).
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SS - $152 approaching level 4 but lots of $0.10
AS - $535 approaching a normal month
How many images and how many videos do you have in your portfolio? Your numbers are strong.
AS - Images 16k - 2.5k Video
SS - Images 12k - 2.5k Video
I don't upload as much to SS now, much of my focus is on AS.
Sapphire? Emerald?
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I'm getting closed to level 3 and 10 cent sales keep coming
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SS - $152 approaching level 4 but lots of $0.10
AS - $535 approaching a normal month
How many images and how many videos do you have in your portfolio? Your numbers are strong.
AS - Images 16k - 2.5k Video
SS - Images 12k - 2.5k Video
I don't upload as much to SS now, much of my focus is on AS.
Sapphire? Emerald?
That's a blast from the past. I had to check... a couple of k of Sapphire.
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2 sales before level 3 I get an EL, I know its only a few bucks but I can't help thinking we are screwed at every opportunity.
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I think with the subs you have to remember that almost nobody uses their entire subscription. That is why back in the day when SS raised prices they would wait a month or 2 to see what the rates were and then have the new tiers (or whatever it was that got us to .25,.... to .38 per sub download. You better believe they weren't losing money even if they would have had the subscribers downloaded all they were allowed to. By changing things now they can charge less and still make a killing paying out .10 (or whatever pittance higher).
Yes, I knew someone would point that out. But we don't really know if someone is so stupid that they use 200 images a month and buy the 750 plan or do they actually pay attention and buy the 350 plan? And I ask myself, who uses 750 subscription images a month or who's willing to pay $199 a month for up to 350 images a month? Why? For what?
Now using some reverse accounting, we get mostly 10c downloads, yet at level 4 we should be getting 12,14,17 from the 350 packs or 15 and 19 from the team packs. But what are most of the downloads credited as? 10˘ Meaning to me, that the majority of the downloads and uses are from someone paying $199 a month for up to 350 DLs, single seat, paid in advance - annually.
Anyway, right, we don't know if someone is paying $199 and only downloading 50 images, but we also don't know if someone is pay $199 and download 350 images. Do We?
So as a joke, SSTK does lose money when they pay us more than our percentage, based on that percentage promise. But also that means they were losing even more money paying us 38 cents when the sub packs cost the same $199 for years. We were getting 400% commission on some of these sales, in the past.
I'm not arguing in their defense, just trying to point out what buyers are paying and what we get. 15%, or the other levels, is a fake number that SSTK dangles in front of us, but for subs it's meaningless. The percentage is only relevant for OD, SO and ELs, or anything else that's not a sub. And most of us don't get much of that activity anymore.
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...But we don't really know if someone is so stupid that they use 200 images a month and buy the 750 plan or do they actually pay attention and buy the 350 plan? And I ask myself, who uses 750 subscription images a month or who's willing to pay $199 a month for up to 350 images a month? Why? For what?...
As with all the agencies, we don't really know anything about who's downloading what. We have to trust them.
However, the very likely source of unused downloads is corporate buyers where the people who handle the budget want to be able to allocate a sum to cover all the needs without any further requests for money from one department or another. During vacation-heavy seasons - spring break, summer, "the holidays" - there will be low usage of the annual subscriptions such organizations probably buy.
Shutterstock's VP of Finance pointed out early in the pandemic how well SS did from unused subscriptions - money coming in but no royalties to pay - so it really does happen even now. Way back when, Jon Oringer was direct about wanting to see how download patterns changed after a price increase before increasing our royalty amount per subscription. But that was when it was still 25 a day - which gave them a built-in buffer of weekends with few or no downloads.
The other factor to consider is discounts - amounts below the posted price offered to entice a would-be-departing customer to stay or a new one to subscribe. All the agencies do that (look at your Adobe Stock subscription amounts to see discounted royalties from the nominal $3.30, $0.99, $0.66 amounts). Shutterstock can now afford to discount much more heavily than when they had that 38 cent royalty to consider...
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As with all the agencies, we don't really know anything about who's downloading what. We have to trust them.
That is why I got out of Alamy. You are dependent on clients that report uses but nobody checks. I don't have a blind faith in people's good intentions. Same goes for companies as Wirestock. You have to trust that every sale that is made, through them, will be reported back to you and they are only the middleman, so you need to trust them, the agency and the client. Greed is around the corner, everywhere, honesty is not, unfortunately.
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And I ask myself, who uses 750 subscription images a month
Magazine publishing houses which may put out dozens of titles per month.
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Not to mention ad agencies and designers…the monthly fee is a pittance compared to the historical cost of image acquisition. Be that custom or stock. Don’t forget about bloggers either. Prolific bloggers can easily justify the larger subscription packages, even if they don’t use their entire quota every month.
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In fact I would say that SS designed it so that the bigger packages would be attractive to more buyers - instead of a 25/day limit, make it 750/month - or whatever, and who knows what secret under the table deals they have going on. They don't really care how many are available in the subscription, they know most places won't use anywhere near the total and all they have to pay is .10 each - at least until they feel the need to lower what they pay us. I would even say that a lot of the reason they changed the terms was so that they could charge less and still make plenty of $.
Wait for the first quarter earnings report to see what %age they are actually paying out overall. My guess is pretty low.
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Hello
Im mainly a video contrubitor to shutterstock
I know i went back to level 1 January but allthough the number of sales not much different than last years January, im getting way too many 1 dollar 2 dollar 3 dollar sales since January 1
Did something changed about sales policy of SS
Any similar situation out there?
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/scubadesign/video?rid=600961 (https://www.shutterstock.com/g/scubadesign/video?rid=600961)
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In fact I would say that SS designed it so that the bigger packages would be attractive to more buyers - instead of a 25/day limit, make it 750/month - or whatever, and who knows what secret under the table deals they have going on. They don't really care how many are available in the subscription, they know most places won't use anywhere near the total and all they have to pay is .10 each - at least until they feel the need to lower what they pay us. I would even say that a lot of the reason they changed the terms was so that they could charge less and still make plenty of $.
Wait for the first quarter earnings report to see what %age they are actually paying out overall. My guess is pretty low.
True but we don't really know and anecdotal evidence that many buyers don't use their allotment doesn't mean also, how many other don't use their allotment. The real answer would be, how many use the whole 350 a month and how many don't? But the argument remains, we are being paid for the allotment, not the actual number of downloads, and there's no arguing against that, it's a fact. :)
I'd also agree that we can see something of what the cost of our work is, from the first quarter earnings. I don't know if it's that specific that the report shows paid to contributors or something like cost of goods sold?
I'd be hard pressed to find a quote but Jon used to say, early on, that he made a profit on subscriptions because most people never used their full amount allowed. Which makes sense because how could he pay us 38˘ a download that he was only collecting 39 cents for each download. Someone has to pay for that floor of the Empire State Building, all the employees, the servers and storage and other expenses.
He also used to say that just over 20% was paid out to contributors. Now I don't know if that was 20% of the profits or 20% of the Net?
...But we don't really know if someone is so stupid that they use 200 images a month and buy the 750 plan or do they actually pay attention and buy the 350 plan? And I ask myself, who uses 750 subscription images a month or who's willing to pay $199 a month for up to 350 images a month? Why? For what?...
As with all the agencies, we don't really know anything about who's downloading what. We have to trust them.
However, the very likely source of unused downloads is corporate buyers where the people who handle the budget want to be able to allocate a sum to cover all the needs without any further requests for money from one department or another. During vacation-heavy seasons - spring break, summer, "the holidays" - there will be low usage of the annual subscriptions such organizations probably buy.
Shutterstock's VP of Finance pointed out early in the pandemic how well SS did from unused subscriptions - money coming in but no royalties to pay - so it really does happen even now. Way back when, Jon Oringer was direct about wanting to see how download patterns changed after a price increase before increasing our royalty amount per subscription. But that was when it was still 25 a day - which gave them a built-in buffer of weekends with few or no downloads.
The other factor to consider is discounts - amounts below the posted price offered to entice a would-be-departing customer to stay or a new one to subscribe. All the agencies do that (look at your Adobe Stock subscription amounts to see discounted royalties from the nominal $3.30, $0.99, $0.66 amounts). Shutterstock can now afford to discount much more heavily than when they had that 38 cent royalty to consider...
More good points. The last one is interesting because they could be selling these packs for less than the advertised prices and losing even more money on every download. Yes, some big businesses like to have neat expense columns, easy is annual subscription.
Something I only thought of just now, those corporate rates and unlimited contracts, which have to be creating many of our Dime Downloads as SSTK pays us the minimum guaranteed in the contract. Those aren't even the absurdly high 750, they are "unlimited"
And I ask myself, who uses 750 subscription images a month
Magazine publishing houses which may put out dozens of titles per month.
Yes, but, why are the majority of my downloads at any level, all year long 10 cents? And I concluded these are coming from 750 packs, not 350 packs. Most of my downloads are from 750 packs? I thought the magazine market was down because of digital and the Internet. How many of these Big Publishing houses can there be?
SSTK is making money, they are losing money on the majority of 10˘ downloads. Especially from the 750 packs. How can that be? And personally my downloads volume is down, which means besides making less for each one, I'm getting less volume.
This just doesn't add up?
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I reached level 3. "25% royalty earnings as of Jan 13", and half of today's downloads are still 10 cents.
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I reached level 3. "25% royalty earnings as of Jan 13", and half of today's downloads are still 10 cents.
Exactly what I'm trying to point out. Those are minimal cost for buyers, which wouldn't make the guaranteed minimum 10˘ commission, if paid at 15-20-25% and sometimes higher. Why are we getting mostly those?
Because SSTK is selling images at such a low price with the unlimited, the API and the large subscription packs.
Hardly anyone is buying singles, or 10/25 packs, or ELs anymore, where 25% would be a better number.
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I reached level 3. "25% royalty earnings as of Jan 13", and half of today's downloads are still 10 cents.
But this knowledge is not new either. You know this from last year and the year before last from Level 5.
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I know i went back to level 1 January but allthough the number of sales not much different than last years January, im getting way too many 1 dollar 2 dollar 3 dollar sales since January 1
Did something changed about sales policy of SS
Any similar situation out there?
I also mainly create videos.
I didn't have any videos on SS in January 2021, not until August. That's why I can't compare.
But I see a gigantic difference compared to December last year.
Now in January my portfolio was in weekend mode for the first 9 days. Only then there were a bit more downloads, but much less than in December. Mostly for a few dollars between $1,- and $4,-, but also one for over $10,- and one for over $20,-.
RPD for my video sales last month (december) is $10.06
My AS portfolio was also in weekend mode for the first 9 days of January, but then it took off very well right away. Fewer downloads than SS but already 3x as many earnings so far.
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Looks like I might make less than I did my first month Jan 2014. That’s ten times less than my monthly peak.
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Looks like I might make less than I did my first month Jan 2014. That’s ten times less than my monthly peak.
I had to go back to 2011 to find similar earnings compared to the first half of January 2022.
Comparing my numbers after the levels change from the first part of Jan 2021 to 2022, my DL's are 22% less and my $$ are 28% less.
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Looks like I might make less than I did my first month Jan 2014. That’s ten times less than my monthly peak.
I had to go back to 2011 to find similar earnings compared to the first half of January 2022.
Comparing my numbers after the levels change from the first part of Jan 2021 to 2022, my DL's are 22% less and my $$ are 28% less.
If the trend holds, I even have to go back to January 2010 to find similarly low earnings. My alltime best month was 9 times as high. Level 4 already.
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Just reached 101 with a piss poor start. ::)
Extrapolating based on this months earnings for 2022 I'll be lucky to see $600 this year as opposed to $3,000 on my best year in 2018.
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At this rate, I'll have to go back to January 1930 to find similarly low earnings.
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SSTK is making money, they are losing money on the majority of 10˘ downloads. Especially from the 750 packs. How can that be? And personally my downloads volume is down, which means besides making less for each one, I'm getting less volume.
This just doesn't add up?
I suspect they're making money on the 10c massive subscription packages purely because a large number of buyers don't download their full quota every month.
So they get all the package revenue but only pay out for the images sold.
Contrast this to IS who calculate payments based on what was actually bought and sold.
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At this rate, I'll have to go back to January 1930 to find similarly low earnings.
At least $5 was a lot of money in 1930!
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Progress? Which progress?
Some have to go back to 1930. I have to go back to Ramses II.
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Progress? Which progress?
Some have to go back to 1930. I have to go back to Ramses II.
Put your hand up if you just Googled 'Ramses II'
🙋♀️
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;D
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Abu Simbel, Ramses II
(http://cascoly.com/images/25520abw2-200.jpg)
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Sales vol at SS is about normal but $ are running at about 40% of what would be normal >:( robbing bast....
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I am a little amazed myself. The numbers at shutterstock are absolutely miserable. But they are actually better than at the same time last January. However, at the end of the month there were still some notable SODs coming in - let's see if that works out this year as well.
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I am a little amazed myself. The numbers at shutterstock are absolutely miserable. But they are actually better than at the same time last January. However, at the end of the month there were still some notable SODs coming in - let's see if that works out this year as well.
It's funny you should say that but, my stats are the same. As soon as I hit level 4 last year (around the 20th), things started to improve. Here's hoping the last week and a bit will be a lot better!
Given the volumes the $ difference is tiny. Just over $2 difference between 2021 & 2022 by the 19th.
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I am a little amazed myself. The numbers at shutterstock are absolutely miserable. But they are actually better than at the same time last January. However, at the end of the month there were still some notable SODs coming in - let's see if that works out this year as well.
It's funny you should say that but, my stats are the same. As soon as I hit level 4 last year (around the 20th), things started to improve. Here's hoping the last week and a bit will be a lot better!
Given the volumes the $ difference is tiny. Just over $2 difference between 2021 & 2022 by the 19th.
Even though it may look similar for us, there is a significant difference:
The times when I would have reached level 4 on the 20th are over for me. Last year, that was at the beginning of February. So you're way ahead of me.
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The start of the month was slow for me as well. Last week things definitely picked up though and I should hit level 4 by the end of today. 4 more to go. The crap part is I won’t be back to level 5 for months, and I’ll certainly never see the highest tier again. Nothing more demotivating than an unwarranted demotion. It leaves a bad taste that just won’t go away.
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I should hit level 4 by the end of today. 4 more to go.
50 more for me to reach level 4
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I am a little amazed myself. The numbers at shutterstock are absolutely miserable. But they are actually better than at the same time last January. However, at the end of the month there were still some notable SODs coming in - let's see if that works out this year as well.
It's funny you should say that but, my stats are the same. As soon as I hit level 4 last year (around the 20th), things started to improve. Here's hoping the last week and a bit will be a lot better!
Given the volumes the $ difference is tiny. Just over $2 difference between 2021 & 2022 by the 19th.
Even though it may look similar for us, there is a significant difference:
The times when I would have reached level 4 on the 20th are over for me. Last year, that was at the beginning of February. So you're way ahead of me.
Given the way SS has changed, beginning of Feb is still good. Here's hoping it's no later for you!
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The start of the month was slow for me as well. Last week things definitely picked up though and I should hit level 4 by the end of today. 4 more to go. The crap part is I won’t be back to level 5 for months, and I’ll certainly never see the highest tier again. Nothing more demotivating than an unwarranted demotion. It leaves a bad taste that just won’t go away.
Final third of Mar last year for level 5 but March was a strong month. We'll see, hopefully it's the same. Agree with the, "Unwarranted Demotion"... just leaves me feeling robbed by them. Greed, nothing more nothing less just pure green by SS.
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I am a little amazed myself. The numbers at shutterstock are absolutely miserable. But they are actually better than at the same time last January. However, at the end of the month there were still some notable SODs coming in - let's see if that works out this year as well.
It's funny you should say that but, my stats are the same. As soon as I hit level 4 last year (around the 20th), things started to improve. Here's hoping the last week and a bit will be a lot better!
Given the volumes the $ difference is tiny. Just over $2 difference between 2021 & 2022 by the 19th.
Even though it may look similar for us, there is a significant difference:
The times when I would have reached level 4 on the 20th are over for me. Last year, that was at the beginning of February. So you're way ahead of me.
Given the way SS has changed, beginning of Feb is still good. Here's hoping it's no later for you!
Thank you very much!
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the worst month after 2 years :-[
RPD : 0.12$ ( 50% less than the last January 2021 )
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I am a little amazed myself. The numbers at shutterstock are absolutely miserable. But they are actually better than at the same time last January. However, at the end of the month there were still some notable SODs coming in - let's see if that works out this year as well.
I have now recalculated this and find that my statement is wrong. I must have miscalculated. Or maybe I got the month wrong - I can't reconstruct it. Sorry. :-[
January 21, 2022 vs. 2021
shutterstock
DLs minus 53
Income minus $78
Adobe Stock
DLs minus 55
Income minus $80